(08-17-2015 04:17 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  I managed to order a girl home for tonight. She wanted to meet in the city but I took a train home while she kept texting and calling me. Completely ignored her.

An hour and a half later she called again. Again didn't answer. Eventually called her back told her I needed to go somewhere to pick up contact lenses or some bollocks and I'm a bit tired of the city but have drinks here and you should come along. I always have some sound in the background whether it be TV or music to make it appear the place to be. She said how about we meet later in the week, I told her I'm off on holiday for a few days and won't have time. She said OK I'll come along then, I'll get dressed and meet you outside train station. At this point I avoided going online on whatsapp for 20 minutes for making it appear I don't give a shit whether she turns up or not. She texted me an hour later she's arriving soon. Met her up she has a good body with an average face, passed the Monday night bang test with aplomb.

Walked 5 minutes to my place. Told her to take her shoes off. Brought a couple of glasses and some Bailey's Original. I told her it will cure her headache. Played the I don't give a fuck game, I think I overdo this some girls have told me "you don't seem to want me here", it's not a bad line to hear though as it means they actually give a shit and are chasing validation. She was loving my apartment telling me how she loved the pictures on the wall. Women love that shit. She told me she usually doesn't meet guys at their place on a first date, obvious bullshit. Started kissing her, her kissing though was fucking atrocious so I told her to do it properly which she loved. Touch her pussy up a bit but she wouldn't get any further. She told me she's attracted to me and all that shite. Sold her the maybe we should be friends line but she didn't buy it. I'm not sure how sexual this bitch is if she doesn't know how to kiss properly after the age of 30. With logic you'd think I'd bang her next time but you know what women are like. Chance she won't go silent ~10%.

I've read a number of your posts in this thread and my advice to you is take a long, extended break from the online game. Your attitude has taken a major hit due to all of the flakiness, entitlement etc. that you're getting from these women. I can immediately pick up on your anger and jaded attitude through your words and there's no doubt every woman you're communicating with is feeling this ten fold.

I'm not giving you a hard time, these women are incorrigible but as soon as you let them get in your head it's game over. I also think you're way over doing the "I don't give a fuck" attitude.

There's a difference between being alpha and outcome independent compared to being a negative, antisocial prick. To me having the correct I don't give a fuck attitude is being present and having a fun, cheeky demeanor and not letting any bad or childish behavior knock you off center. If she's not with the program you simply eject or flake on her. You're inviting her into your world of fun and good times. If she's a drag on that she's gone.

The date you just described appeared as though you had a massive chip on your shoulder and were sulking and pouting the entire time. This is exactly why I have to take extended time off from the game.

Haha perhaps, I think I may be portraying it in a too negative light. She ended the date by kissing and telling me I'm sweet "and I bet you know that" and sent me a goodnight message later, not all is lost. I did take a couple of weeks off from online dating recently, more so fed up with the girls in SA than OKCupid. I have about 10 other girls lined up on my phone and always playful with texting. The flakiness is mostly from the younger girls, and that's mainly SA who just genuinely don't care. I may take a break from that.

I've got a 22 year old girl travelling 2 hours to see me from another city for a drinks date. Spoke with her on the phone. She said she's not sure where to stay, I told her we'll see how we go. A beta would have fallen right into her frame telling her "oh I'm so sad come stay with me for the whole weekend" no problem - before she ends up flaking on him out of hand for being a pussy. If they ask me which bar we're going I don't tell them either "wouldn't want to spoil the surprise". They are curious creatures, keep the mystery and keep your frame.

I don't use the "wouldn't want to spoil the surprise" line because it gives her the expectation that you're taking her to a very lavish and upscale bar/restaurant. If a woman asks what bar we are going to, I say something stupid like "a hole in the wall where a hispanic man got stabbed by his girlfriend" or "this awesome place where I participated in a midget tossing contest." That way, she has no idea of what to expect and won't be disappointed in the place you take her.

If she already has those high expectations, its still real easy to bounce her to another bar.

(08-17-2015 04:17 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  I'm not sure how sexual this bitch is if she doesn't know how to kiss properly after the age of 30.

Probably dodged a bullet. Girl's who can't kiss are absolutely awful in bed. No passion.

Rem, that's pretty good humor. So I'm guessing you're just texting the address for the venue?

I usually meet up with the woman near the metro (DC) and then walk or take the metro to the bar. Gives me time to speak with her on a more 1 on 1 level instead of at the bar around a bunch of people. Generally more prone to opening up on the way there.

Yeah those are good lines, in this case I am taking her somewhere nice but not always, many a time go for the cheaper option. Meeting by the metro does make sense as the expectation is less so of you meet at the bar and say goodbye at the bar. I usually tell them I took an uber there anyway (or drove there if I am driving) to plant a seed in her head of possibility of shared transportation after.

Hello, is there anyway you can direct me on how to message and meet russian?eastern women online?

(08-19-2015 12:35 AM)AWISEMAN Wrote:  Hello, is there anyway you can direct me on how to message and meet russian?eastern women online?

Since it's okc, use the language feature to your advantage. If you fill in the language filter with your preference and leave ethnicity unchecked, my guess is that you'll have a better chance finding them that way. Perhaps keywords can help in this case as well.

(08-19-2015 12:35 AM)AWISEMAN Wrote:  Hello, is there anyway you can direct me on how to message and meet russian?eastern women online?

For some reason I read this as meeting them offline. You can try language schools, meetup.com groups that focus on Russian language, Russian specialty food stores. That is all I am thinking of offhand.

Around my area due to the high number of guys vs girls it's a hard affair to get chicks unless you get lucky to stumble on one who just very recently created her profile.

Anyway I asked a chick on a date and she agreed but with no specifics yet as in her own words :She doesn't know what she'll be doing this weekend but she'll keep my updated"

Costin, did you get her number or just chatting on OKC?

If she doesn't know what she'll be doing can be translated as: I'm free. She has no plans and is seeking out options. Keeping you posted is like putting you on the back burner. That's the way I'm reading it...I could be wrong.

(08-19-2015 01:38 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  If she doesn't know what she'll be doing can be translated as: I'm free. She has no plans and is seeking out options. Keeping you posted is like putting you on the back burner. That's the way I'm reading it...I could be wrong.

I have no doubts about this. It really does strike me that she's looking into other options, especially as I've seen her online all day.

Quote: Costin, did you get her number or just chatting on OKC?

Just chatting so far, I made that big mistake by not asking her for her number. I will do so now however.

First off, always get their actual phone number before trying to make plans with them. That alone will screen out the obvious time wasters. If she does anything except give you her number it's a hard next in my book. Once you have her number and have done a few back and fourths to get the momentum back up again, make your play and propose specific plans. If she does anything but enthusiastically agree to meet you at a specific place and time, I will say something to the effect of "let me know once you figure your schedule out" and then I'm done. I won't sit around and chit chat and entertain her after that. Sometimes she will reach out to you after that. Once that happens, quickly go for the close again and set definite plans.

Side note: it sounds completely counterintuitive but even if you're messaging a girl in the dating app and you're going back and fourth in real time, for some reason the moment you switch to actual texting you will likely have to start over with her. I have no idea why but she can be sending you quick messages loaded with emojis, !!!, LOL, you name it and then when you text her she will respond with "Hi".

So this will sound dumb, but in the 188 pages of this thread what are the rules of thumb for profile writing?

I tend to keep mine short, sweet, and to the point. I remember this one friend of mine who wrote this crazy long profile that read like something out of a romance novel. It worked well for him because he took those goofy hipster candid photos.

Good points OTSC

Once you get the digits, it's assumed the conversation online is over and it's at that time that you let the full extent of your charm is laid to bare

Online is kind of a warm-up, prelim type deal where you are screening who might be down to hang out. I don't loiter around. If I'm done communicating just to emphasize a clean break I will log off, that way it's implied if she wants to continue our chat it will have to be through text.

The funnel theory applies - Online > number > text/call > build comfort> meet up etc

I'm with you - anything she does to disrupt that 'flow chart' is reason for nexting

This is a kind reminder never fucking book a date with a girl who doesn't give you her phone number. I broke my own rule recently and yes it resulted in a flake.

If they don't give you their number they can fuck off. Don't take them seriously at all.

(08-19-2015 03:05 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  This is a kind reminder never fucking book a date with a girl who doesn't give you her phone number. I broke my own rule recently and yes it resulted in a flake.

If they don't give you their number they can fuck off. Don't take them seriously at all.

If she's gonna come she'll come regardless. A number is not a critical step in getting laid any more than any other step. I assume it will fall through as planned. If not - then it won't. Path of least resistance

(08-19-2015 04:32 PM)etuvus_spaxus Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 03:05 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  This is a kind reminder never fucking book a date with a girl who doesn't give you her phone number. I broke my own rule recently and yes it resulted in a flake.

If they don't give you their number they can fuck off. Don't take them seriously at all.

If she's gonna come she'll come regardless. A number is not a critical step in getting laid any more than any other step. I assume it will fall through as planned. If not - then it won't. Path of least resistance

Disagreed, if she isn't willing to even give you her number her investment to you is precisely zero.

(08-19-2015 04:41 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 04:32 PM)etuvus_spaxus Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 03:05 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  This is a kind reminder never fucking book a date with a girl who doesn't give you her phone number. I broke my own rule recently and yes it resulted in a flake.

If they don't give you their number they can fuck off. Don't take them seriously at all.

If she's gonna come she'll come regardless. A number is not a critical step in getting laid any more than any other step. I assume it will fall through as planned. If not - then it won't. Path of least resistance

Disagreed, if she isn't willing to even give you her number her investment to you is precisely zero.

Well alright. But isn't her giving the number (as you see it) only a boundary in your frame or reference? If it's not one within hers then it's neither here nor there. Correct? Also I never said she hasn't given me a number. But lets be real sports about it and see how it really plays out. So the truth will find it's own way instead. Correct?

So I tried setting something up with a girl from the site and got this:

"I'm afraid of too much text. You can email me at [email protected]"

WTF does this even mean? lol. I don't do that email shit, I'm currently looking for away to get the number and get offline. This one has Casual Sex listen on her profile as well. My approach was very direct in proposing a day/meet idea and she said she was down.

^It sounds like she may be a bot/camgirl or P4P. I would reply with 'send me your number I'll call you'. Anything less and I would next her.

(08-19-2015 08:01 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  So I tried setting something up with a girl from the site and got this:

"I'm afraid of too much text. You can email me at [email protected]"

WTF does this even mean? lol. I don't do that email shit, I'm currently looking for away to get the number and get offline. This one has Casual Sex listen on her profile as well. My approach was very direct in proposing a day/meet idea and she said she was down.

Unfortunately I had some major downtime between jobs and my clubbing budget was pretty much nullified and I was working out of my apartment so gaming dating websites was fucking easy.

First things you want weed out are bots and foreign scammers.

For whatever reason foreign scammers almost *always* fuck up their English if they're forced to speak in length.
They'll immediately start to speak at length once they think they've got the hook on something.
Easy to spot: they're stupidly hot and way to eager to impress: *disproportionate ratios and all that shit*

Bots usually follow - a speil paragraph - ends with contact me at ###yahoo.com

Same things with scammers. They'll slam a copy paste in after they think they've got you 'romantically hooked' - they consistently try to go for long term romantic hook shit, because they can't webcam escalate or text

*Very* easy ways to quickly shit test any online profile: Use google chrome. Right Click Image ->Search on Google Images (find the origin of the photo)

If it's a legit chick. She'll have a twitter or a Linkedin. If not it'll be a model or some circular sharing photo sharing network.

The google image trick can be pretty nasty.

I've never run into any catfish, but as Roosh said there is often an unfortunate *often* being the keyword there though, that these women are stalking online, and it's obviously the *very* the reason you don't want to get with them in actual life.

Best girls will be receptive to meets immediately. No problem if they're interested