I don't have an instagram. I'm not good looking to the point where I'd accumulate thousands of followers. Plus, I lack the narcissism to take selfies. Guess I'm also lacking in the douchebag category for not taking pictures of coffee or food

Interesting you should mention instagram. On the site the other day I got an unsolicited message from a woman - doesn't happen to me that often, few times a month maybe, and the times it's from an attractive woman even less. This woman was a few years younger than me and definitely attractive....but...she has an Instagram link on her profile with the usual tons of selfies.

She seemed very into me for a little while, until she found out that I already had plans last weekend and wouldn't be free able to see her until later this month, even though I expressed definite interest in doing so. However, the interest on her part involved a LOT of questions about me and what I do for work, and so on. That's sort of a red flag.

I tried to keep things rolling with humor and interesting stories as I've been able to with a couple other girls, to keep them interested until I could meet, but it hasn't seemed to work with her. The fact that I didn't agree to zip out to meet her instantly seemed to really peeve her, and her replies to my (humorous, respectful) texts became increasingly terse and hostile until radio silence.

Provider hunter? Hmm.

@Rem I think your wit may good enough to pull from IG. Its pretty much untapped because a lot of the thirsty cats comment on the pictures instead of running game to their inbox. I agree that a good majority of the ones with the snapchat/insta/gamertags are attention whoring. Its just sucks when its the hot ones.

(08-20-2015 05:44 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 10:28 PM)etuvus_spaxus Wrote:  Also also. NEVER EVER back track a Facebook profile you've found from image hack/google dorking. *without FIRST LOGGING OUT FIRST* EVER. Facebook, at the moment you view *supposed scammers facebook page* Facebook's advertising geniuses will immediately suggest you as a *potential friend* to the person.

I've gotten Android notifications ("DO YOU KNOW ..?") the moment she was hitting my FB.

I don't log out but I always have a second browser open with a fake name and use that browser to look up the girl.

You also need to realize that if your facebook account is associated with your mobile number, facebook will also match you up with her facebook account(assuming she has her mobile number tied to it(which most girls do anyway). Facebook has a sneaky way of pulling your contacts and matching them in their database.

Basically you really shouldn't give facebook any real info about yourself. Use a alias name, alias email and no mobile number(if they require one now then better get a google voice one)

Yeah. I didn't take the time but plenty of guys know how to setup a burner account. The problem is they in some way cross-pollinate with their irl FB and that can get hairy if you're not careful.

If you're setting up a burner account strictly for online it's a good idea to start out with no cross-id information. No same emails. No same linked emails etc. While right now Google is restricted from indexing public FB profile images, there's nothing stopping some snoop-ass bg service from doing that.

Trying to cull a legit-"like" burner account is tough work in my observation. I wouldn't waste much time on it, and I would tell girls straight out that I use that account to exchange dates with because I don't like to live out my personal life in front of my friends. If it's online you've already established the primary line of communication. Maybe there's some truth to # closing quick. I stay away from # closing and go straight for plans. If she wants to be with you #s come naturally anyways.

FB is a wildcard honestly. You should stay away from it as much as possible and use other avenues like getting off your ass and finding something real.

I'm not cool with girls coming and going all the time on my primary Facebook.

That's generally what I put on my profiles. Something like chatting online is fun and all but I want to meet you in real life, not sit here on the computer. (like the other dudes). Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words.

(08-24-2015 09:12 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  @Rem I think your wit may good enough to pull from IG. Its pretty much untapped because a lot of the thirsty cats comment on the pictures instead of running game to their inbox. I agree that a good majority of the ones with the snapchat/insta/gamertags are attention whoring. Its just sucks when its the hot ones.

Haha I promised myself I would never download that app or give any of those people the satisfaction of receiving another follower. The narcissism is just too much for me. I'm the exact opposite of an attention whore so all that stuff makes me real uncomfortable to see.

Have had two girls demand STD tests before we have sex. I don't look at all "slutty" or whatever. Is this some sort of shit test?

One 20ish girl I went on a date with admitted she'd have sex with me but is paranoid about STDs. Girl is legit paranoid and kept saying he she was so scared someone would slip things in her drinks at clubs.

Another 30ish women I haven't went on a date with said she got HPV but it "went away" and now she demands a condom and if I got an STD clear she'd do "whatever I want"

^Quick fix. If they demand an STD test, just say you got one a month and a half ago. If they demand paper work, tell them that you always throw it away after receiving good news.

Or, you can go pee in a cup, wait a couple days, and receive the all clear. Your call, chief.

I did that.

This 30 yr old woman is crazy she wants the actual paperwork

Your call. If I was you, I wouldn't bother going to the doctor and spending money to just give this woman the satisfaction of knowing you're clean. Unless she looks like Scarlett Johansson and Sofia Vergara had a lesbian baby and that baby was 19 years old.

Fuck her with a condom and cum down her throat, simple enough. I'd be more worried about getting her pregnant than STDs if I were you.

I had a second Latina date last night, she wouldn't bang and said "you can have me if you're patient" while I was escalating back home. May invite her straight to my place next time and it will be now or never. She supposedly has "values" (i.e. she's out of the cock carouselling stage) or maybe just maybe she's actually normal. Have a Russian for tonight. None of the girls here are looking for love their thinking is like the Tina Turner song "what's love got to do with it, what's love but a second hand emotion", the first hand emotion is the value she's getting out of it be it status, money (beta) or cock (alpha).

I've spent some decent money buying some quality clothes and shoes and got a haircut, they really do take notice of it. It's a shame the dating programmes don't make a bigger deal of the looks side of things and sell everything else but that.

(08-27-2015 08:02 PM)Remington Wrote:  Your call. If I was you, I wouldn't bother going to the doctor and spending money to just give this woman the satisfaction of knowing you're clean. Unless she looks like Scarlett Johansson and Sofia Vergara had a lesbian baby and that baby was 19 years old.

I've done it before, it's really not a big deal; you don't even have to go to a doctor. You go to a site like STDTestExpress.com and select the panels you want and go get your blood drawn at a local lab like Quest Diagnostics - nobody else knows WTF you're there for except maybe the nurse drawing the blood. 48 hours later you get your results online and print 'em out.

I think many insurance carriers will cover at least one such screening test a year for "general health purposes" without getting antsy and pegging you as "high risk" or something.

If having a relatively recent clean result that puts her mind at ease and makes the lay easier only takes about 20 minutes of time and a copay of a few bucks, why not?

The latest on OKC...

Girls are becoming more and more unresponsive to initial opening messages.

My favorite opening message no longer works as well as it once did... a 50% response rate dwindled to less than 5%.

Another classic, "You look like trouble", gets me blocked 50% of the time, whereas it used to get me a response rate of 50%.

I recently went on a work trip to Buffalo NY (I know, I know...) and I went quasi-direct with my opening message, simply

"Hi, how's it going? I'm in Buffalo for a few days on business. Would be nice to get a drink, perfect chance for you to get out of the house. Let's chat to see if we can get along."

This got me a 30% response rate, most of which said "thanks but no thanks", but a few said "sure, I'm down for a drink". Met with 2 girls in 2 nights that I spent in Buffalo. One was a SIF (yeah, this is Buffalo... lots of "buffalos" there, so to speak), and the other was actually decent looking but refused to come back to my hotel.

I feel that opening line is more efficient and screens out the time-wasters and attention whores, and gets down to the girls who are actually willing to meet up.

Yeah that's quite a good opening line it's short and at the same time does what it needs to do by conveying value through you business travelling and sets a time limit. I've used something similar in the past to good effect and yes my opening lines also keep changing, I sometimes even go back to basis with "hey what are you up to?" or something similar if they like your photos it's enough of a catch for them.

I've been really honing my logistical skills on first dates such that I'm actually getting about 80% of the girls home, unfortunately I think my filter is still not strong enough to get girls up for a bang most of the time. The girl last night, a hot 8/10 Italian came in and looked a little uncomfortable didn't even want to drink water. We sat down and watched comedy on TV and she was laughing but she was in a rush to get home and nothing materialised. As you'd expect even the girls who visit my place (and it is pretty nice) would 9/10 go silent afterwards, even most of the girls I've banged. Their fickleness never fails to astound me.

The weird thing that's been happening to me lately is that I send my usual charming opening message, and I'll often get a reply back "Hey! You seem cool and...blah blah blah" and they seem very interested, and I'll follow up with some usual stuff "Oh, yeah well blah blah blah", not more than 30 minutes or an hour later, and I see that my second message has been read and...I never get a reply to the second message. I call it the "one text ghost" and from a logical point of view it makes little sense to me.

Like, why bother responding to the first message if you have no intention of keeping the interaction going? Do they get all the validation hit they need from the interaction after just one text? Who knows.

Some of the answers may be here: http://www.heretical.com/berne/rapo.html

OKC has been dry as hell for me. The girls I match with their rarely respond. I think I got a number from a six but I'm not at all too interested in meeting her. Potential SIF for sure. Its funny how solid of an opener you have to have to start a conversation.

(08-31-2015 07:21 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  The weird thing that's been happening to me lately is that I send my usual charming opening message, and I'll often get a reply back "Hey! You seem cool and...blah blah blah" and they seem very interested, and I'll follow up with some usual stuff "Oh, yeah well blah blah blah", not more than 30 minutes or an hour later, and I see that my second message has been read and...I never get a reply to the second message. I call it the "one text ghost" and from a logical point of view it makes little sense to me.

Like, why bother responding to the first message if you have no intention of keeping the interaction going? Do they get all the validation hit they need from the interaction after just one text? Who knows.

Some of the answers may be here: http://www.heretical.com/berne/rapo.html

That's why I'm thinking there's something to making your intentions known right from the start. We're not here to give them validation, we're here to get them out to meet us for drinks and then take them home.

Saying "We should get coffee/drinks" (or some variation of it) in the opening message weeds out attention whores, validation seekers, and time wasters. I know this goes against conventional online game widsom, and we may get less responses than from a clever opening message, but it whittles the prospects down to those who are at least serious about meeting up.

(08-31-2015 10:09 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  OKC has been dry as hell for me. The girls I match with their rarely respond. I think I got a number from a six but I'm not at all too interested in meeting her. Potential SIF for sure. Its funny how solid of an opener you have to have to start a conversation.

It's an uphill struggle that's for sure. I've gotten two lays from the site from decently attractive girls, but as someone mentioned above getting blown out for second dates by women who you'd barely glance at in other circumstances seems par for the course. It's pretty grim - If they're a 4 or a 5 and under 30 they really do think they're rock stars.

Their ability to connect with a man on any level seems to be pretty much gone. They're broken.

They do think they're rockstars despite being at most average most of the time. I'm more than happy to delete girls on my phone if they give me even just a small bit of resistance on text instead being flirty, shit tests are one thing but resistance to meeting up is quite another. One girl asked to send me photos of myself on whatsapp, I usually ask them for more photos before they ask me. But anyway I sent her a couple of photos and said "your turn ". She asked for photos of me "right now", this was after have some conversations with her a couple of days back. She had about 5 photos of me by then, considering she's at most a 6 or maybe even a 5 I said fuck it and just deleted her.

I had another girl call me at 3am after a club wanting to see me, shame I fell asleep by then. Those are the kind of girls you want. I typically just tell them I'm tired to go out and rather do something chilled and get them to come by my area after agreeing with them sometime earlier to meet elsewhere, those who say no are wasting my time.

(09-01-2015 08:25 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 07:21 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  The weird thing that's been happening to me lately is that I send my usual charming opening message, and I'll often get a reply back "Hey! You seem cool and...blah blah blah" and they seem very interested, and I'll follow up with some usual stuff "Oh, yeah well blah blah blah", not more than 30 minutes or an hour later, and I see that my second message has been read and...I never get a reply to the second message. I call it the "one text ghost" and from a logical point of view it makes little sense to me.

Like, why bother responding to the first message if you have no intention of keeping the interaction going? Do they get all the validation hit they need from the interaction after just one text? Who knows.

Some of the answers may be here: http://www.heretical.com/berne/rapo.html

That's why I'm thinking there's something to making your intentions known right from the start. We're not here to give them validation, we're here to get them out to meet us for drinks and then take them home.

Saying "We should get coffee/drinks" (or some variation of it) in the opening message weeds out attention whores, validation seekers, and time wasters. I know this goes against conventional online game widsom, and we may get less responses than from a clever opening message, but it whittles the prospects down to those who are at least serious about meeting up.

I'm finally not sure that doing it in the initial message is ideal - IMO I think you're going to throw some women who would legit like to meet by being too forward.

I read somewhere that you can't ever ask for a date or number too early, but I disagree. I think there's probably an optimum that statistically works best for the largest number of women who legit want to meet. Some women who legit want to meet will probably get ticked if you ask for a number too early ("Hey man, I don't even really know anything about you!), and some will get ticked if you wait too long ("He's just looking for a pen pal!").

As someone pointed out above, many women finally just get validation from wasting your time. Obviously all of them want you to put some effort in, but it's a matter of degree. I guess the name of the game is to make it feel like she wasted enough of your time to satisfy her ego, while you feel like it wasn't really that much. I think if she falls silent after a single response from you, you probably wouldn't have gotten her out even of she replied to the "let's go on a date" opener. She just would have fallen silent at some other point or found some other way to string you.

(09-01-2015 01:33 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  They do think they're rockstars despite being at most average most of the time. I'm more than happy to delete girls on my phone if they give me even just a small bit of resistance on text instead being flirty, shit tests are one thing but resistance to meeting up is quite another. One girl asked to send me photos of myself on whatsapp, I usually ask them for more photos before they ask me. But anyway I sent her a couple of photos and said "your turn ". She asked for photos of me "right now", this was after have some conversations with her a couple of days back. She had about 5 photos of me by then, considering she's at most a 6 or maybe even a 5 I said fuck it and just deleted her.

Yep, I had one like that the other day. Very flirty up until the first date, the first date seemed to go really well with lots of laughing, interest and touching on her part right until she left, then ice cold after the date. Pitched the second date a few days later and "Well, looks like it's going to busy week coming up and..."

delete.

It's a shame - I really am not the kind of person who enjoys doing that.

Edit: And I've learned if they start talking about how they want me to check out their Instagram or Snapchat before we've even met - delete.

Unfortunately the litmus test with these online women is did you bang them or not? And even then I would put the odds at 50/50 for a second date.

I've had first dates that ended in passionate makeouts, sparkly eyes from her and every indicator of at least scoring a second date only for them to coldly tell me later via text that there was 'no chemistry'. Your first and only goal with online dating is to do everything you can to set the odds of a bang in your favor. Anything less is unfortunately a loss.

I have also seen a decline in the number of OKC responses between July and August. Those girls are targeting men who they want to lock down for the winter so they can blow up pictures with their narcissistic selfies. Keep playing the game and make sure you are aware that women aren't as receptive as they were in the summer. Take it offline and get your ass to the pavement to approach women that will most likely have boyfriends or are really into the validation sense of online dating.

Not the kind of thing you want to get into unless you're into the November or December months of dating. Stay patient and seize the opportunity.

(09-04-2015 12:42 AM)Remington Wrote:  I have also seen a decline in the number of OKC responses between July and August. Those girls are targeting men who they want to lock down for the winter so they can blow up pictures with their narcissistic selfies. Keep playing the game and make sure you are aware that women aren't as receptive as they were in the summer. Take it offline and get your ass to the pavement to approach women that will most likely have boyfriends or are really into the validation sense of online dating.

Not the kind of thing you want to get into unless you're into the November or December months of dating. Stay patient and seize the opportunity.

This also leads to the "holiday cheaters," not sure if you alluded to that, but girls locking down guys for their winter stability, will inevitably cheat on him usually at least once before the holidays, and afterwards... which usually leads to the break up for spring/summer whoring. Don't be surprised to see responses pick up around sometime a little after Halloween to after Thanks Giving. Strategy

Starting this week is the new season since vacations are mostly over with. I usually see a big influx after Labor day(starting noticing this in the last 2 weeks actually)

Same here . I've seen a lot of new profiles last two weeks. Happens every year- it's the fall nesting instinct kicking in. I get laid more in the Fall from online than any other season. The other bump is from just before Valentine's Day to mid Spring. Summer is the worst season for online in my area.

I'm planning on joining Match in the next few days to take advantage of this Fall harvest of pussy.