(08-09-2015 12:47 PM)Virtus Wrote:  go for Tuthmosis Recipe for Securing First-Date Bangs http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-8681.html

That was amazing. And genius. Thanks for the link.

(08-09-2015 11:20 PM)jackflag Wrote:  My base assumption was that people on these sites actually want to meet someone they like, see where it goes, and then not have to use OKC anymore. Basically, i'm assuming these girls are normal humans who don't plan on being single until they're 40. From all indications, this is a big mistake.

If you meet a guy and have a connection, mentally/physically, why would you not want to pursue it further? Not saying go exclusive right away, not at all, but if you can have a great time and suck face all through the night, but still not care about seeing the guy again, at what point does it stop? When Leo Dicaprio signs up and msg's you? haha

That's the confusing part. I've never met so many apparent career first-daters before. Its very un-feminine.

They do want to meet someone but it goes back to what I said earlier. A mans value isn't high enough if they don't want to go further with him. There can be a ton of reasons leading to that(value is a combination of looks, money, status..etc) but its the same basic problem. This is the cycle that both men and women face as brought up by MattW in this thread about marriage...

The guys that girls want to marry dont want them, and those girls don't want to marry the other guys who do want to marry them.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-40212-...#pid826627


Simple way to demonstrate this is to just drop your standards of women and see how fast they agree to a second date. Start going out with woman who are 3s and 4s and you will see and massive increase in second dates.

Bottom line; If your dating women within a point of your own worth (if you're a 7 and she is a 6 for example) then getting second dates are not guaranteed no matter how good you think the conversation is or if you hooked up with her. This is the bitter pill most men don't want to swallow. I'd also venture most men overrate their own value and/or fucking women who are not of high value. Meaning a guy thinks he's this player but the reality is he's banging all women who are literally at the bottom of the pool.

(08-09-2015 11:30 PM)Mess O. Wrote:  I don't know what the hell you guys are doin' in order to score all this action on the OKC, but it seems like I'm browsing on another planet. Astoundingly low quality material all around, and you know for a damn fact that anyone even minimally decent looking and on up is gonna have the inbox fuckin' exploding. How can I stand out from the crowd? I live in South-Eastern LA, and I seem to really have long since exhausted what's on here.

Let me take a knee and bask in the teachings of the finest coaches to be had . . .

It really depends on where you are. Where I used to live, the girls were pretty good on OKC. Where I am now, they are fat and ugly. But I also go out in public and its the same thing. It sucks, but I did not move here for the women.

(08-10-2015 05:20 PM)The Wire Wrote:  They do want to meet someone but it goes back to what I said earlier. A mans value isn't high enough if they don't want to go further with him. There can be a ton of reasons leading to that(value is a combination of looks, money, status..etc) but its the same basic problem. This is the cycle that both men and women face as brought up by MattW in this thread about marriage...

The guys that girls want to marry dont want them, and those girls don't want to marry the other guys who do want to marry them.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-40212-...#pid826627

Simple way to demonstrate this is to just drop your standards of women and see how fast they agree to a second date. Start going out with woman who are 3s and 4s and you will see and massive increase in second dates.

Bottom line; If your dating women within a point of your own worth (if you're a 7 and she is a 6 for example) then getting second dates are not guaranteed no matter how good you think the conversation is or if you hooked up with her. This is the bitter pill most men don't want to swallow. I'd also venture most men overrate their own value and/or fucking women who are not of high value. Meaning a guy thinks he's this player but the reality is he's banging all women who are literally at the bottom of the pool.

Real talk. It wasn't like this at all where I came from, but its been a whole different ballgame here and the more I think about it, the more I realize you guys are right.

In hindsight one of the last chicks was basically asking me to bang her and I just figured she was a done deal and i'd have her over to my place next time and get it in. She went no contact and i'm now 100% sure its because of that.

Going to have to demonstrate higher value on the date and/or actually fuck that night from now on. This shit is not a game. Even though it is.

Some random thoughts on online dating...

1. It's a too much fucking effort. Sure, you can hit on chicks while sitting on your couch in underpants. But all the message exchanges are a colossal waste of time. When you cold approach a gal in a bar, you've just skipped hours worth of messaging and you know she's not going to flake. You've just skipped to the "are we mutually attracted to each other?" part. If not, talk to the girl sitting next to her.

2. It's generally a DLV. You're single, and you've just messaged a girl in "hopes" you're "good enough" to hang out with her for a night. They go into these things with this attitude:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShlW5plD_40

3. I wouldn't cut it out of your toolbox, but I wouldn't make it your primary go to, either. When I was doing it, I'd usually send messages on Monday mornings or Sunday nights. I'd limit "dates" to once or twice a week.

4. These girls are single and getting hundreds of messages from betas each day. This means you're focusing your efforts on the lowest common denominator.

5. I met the current GF on OKC. (I know... I know.) Laconic text game and bluntness sealed the deal. I think we were three messages in and I'm like "cool. let's get drinks tonight at wine bar. i'm free around 830." Second date resulted in bang.

I have to disagree with you, Hank. I put in about 5 minutes a day in OKC and I've still gotten very strong results from dates and bangs. You're right in that I literally sit in my boxers and message women. The results I receive are very positive because I never message a girl unless she "likes" me. All the girls I have messaged and banged all say that the guys that message her send weird and "creepy" messages. They think it's refreshing when I guy sends her a message not wanting to see her tits.

I concur

If you are using online dating sites, it's more profitable to work smarter not harder

I've been told the same thing; too many guys sending 'hey sexy' and 'sit on my face' type messages that if anything they make it easier to get a chick's attention by doing the opposite

why bother with okcupid when tinder yields far more results for far less effort? no profiles or questions or chin wagging, get right to the point, arrange a date and seal the deal

I just started using Tinder because I finally got a smart phone a few weeks ago. I spend a few minutes swiping until I get bored but the girls don't reply to messages as often as the ones you match with on OKC.

(08-12-2015 10:02 AM)Remington Wrote:  I have to disagree with you, Hank. I put in about 5 minutes a day in OKC and I've still gotten very strong results from dates and bangs. You're right in that I literally sit in my boxers and message women. The results I receive are very positive because I never message a girl unless she "likes" me. All the girls I have messaged and banged all say that the guys that message her send weird and "creepy" messages. They think it's refreshing when I guy sends her a message not wanting to see her tits.

I was using "hey. so what's the creepiest thing anyone has messaged you on here?" as an opener.

That has a success rate of around 50%, and some of the responses were genuinely funny.

Dating gets to be such a drag, though.

I would start customizing your messages according to their profiles. It merits a much higher response rate other than grilling them about what other guys have said.

Getting post-date radio silence from an OKC girl heavier than she appears in her pics fucking blows. Feels bad, man!

I'm getting zero results from okc recently, i message girls, they give me a profile visit then silence. Odd.

I'm calling it quits on this online thing. I'm simply not attractive enough for this thing perhaps. I've sunk hundreds of hours wasting time into women and okc.

I do think it's really great for any attractive men. I introduced my friend to the site and he got 3 notches in 2 days.

Online game is 80-90% looks based, and 99% so when they look at your profile being one of 50 thirsty men to have messaged her in the last couple of hours. Online girls are extremely picky on looks, so much so that even if David Beckham was on OKCupid (and not known to be him) yes he'd get the dates but he'd still get flaked on half the time and some women will reject him in the date because they think they could date Brad Pitt instead.

I've seen 9/10 friends get rejected by girls within 1 minute of meeting her in a bar from OKCupid. Make no mistake there are 50 other guys waiting on her phone, she can choose whomever she wants to see that night and fuck it she'll flake on him anyway because that's what she does and she'll forget he even exists with 5 seconds as he's blocked from her phone to prevent him sending anything bad like what a horrible cunt she is.

I'm a 7/7.5 guy and I can tell you the numbers of times I got flaked on is in the hundreds now, got rejected in the date itself sometimes within 5 minutes. I've had some great bangs from it, although I've wasted a lot of time with shit logistics in the past. I have very thick skin now with women from my experiences. Other types of games have picked up a lot too.

Make sure you're putting out the best photos out there, I've used an RSD tutorial to edit them as best I can. They are your foot through the door, the rest is down to you and your game.

The crazy thing is with all the flaking and annoyances, this is probably the best it's gonna get as far as online ROI for most guys

Barring a life-changing event (read: sudden wealth)

You know it's a bad sign when the average 33 single mom can feel the entitlement of a Megan Fox every time she logs on because of her options

(08-16-2015 10:20 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  The crazy thing is with all the flaking and annoyances, this is probably the best it's gonna get as far as online ROI for most guys

Barring a life-changing event (read: sudden wealth)

You know it's a bad sign when the average 33 single mom can feel the entitlement of a Megan Fox every time she logs on because of her options

No doubt. Had a 6ish mom with fat ass and cute face start sexting me shortly after getting her # last week. I ran my usual text game which has evolved decently. She tells me to, "be fair" and send a pic back, I send her a shirtless pic (reserved compared to her's).

I've got a good physique, tall, decent looking. I've dated and fucked a handful of the best looking broads I can find in my area on dating apps.

This bitch starts getting all hardass on me. I take it as a shit test and respond accordingly. After trying to arrange a meet up for this weekend, she says;"You guys are a dime a dozen. What's wrong? Butthurt I'm busy, have a real job (you're a fucking phlebotomist, that's a 'real job?"), don't live in my mommy's basement (Me neither), have a date on Saturday (me too), and awesome friends to go out with on Friday (they're all fat), and kid I love dearly (your mouth proves you can't love a person) who comes first on Sunday?"

Mind you, I didn't imply shit about being upset or even remotely needy. Only hoards of thirsty dudes can prop up a bitch of this low value so far, whose beneath my capabilities in looks, career, intellect, and overall value. She proceeds to send me a meme pic a woman whose got a man on a leash that says "you're a bitch."

I guess the fact she knew I had a better physique than her got under he skin or some shit.

My reply:"You texted me, get a grip bitch." - deleted.

I maintain my stance the real life approaching is better for deeper connection, while online is by far easier but chicks are flighty

Once she logs on to that app, she's a star for the entire time that that red dot is beside her
picture. Doesn't matter in her mind that another girl across town is getting twice the emails, because shit someone is finally paying HER attention

She's been ignored all day: at the office, her job and hell even the mailman doesn't notice she is rocking a new hairstyle. But online MsHot2Trot is the shit.

She's a primadonna online, but when she logs off she's back to being an anonymous chick

I'd say I'm about a..7 maybe, and the woman who bailed on me after the first date was at the outside limits of what I'd consider attractive. Granted, that night I had pretty weak game (and I'm fairly new to it anyhow), I was tired and logistics weren't in my favor, and the kiss during the date was abysmal on my part. Even so, years ago I would've had a girl like this eating out of my hand - and I think I look better physically now than I did then.

Stings quite a bit. It may be hard to get used to this.

(08-16-2015 11:06 AM)XPQ21 Wrote:  I'd say I'm about a..7 maybe, and the woman who bailed on me after the first date was at the outside limits of what I'd consider attractive. Granted, that night I had pretty weak game (and I'm fairly new to it anyhow), I was tired and logistics weren't in my favor, and the kiss during the date was abysmal on my part. Even so, years ago I would've had a girl like this eating out of my hand - and I think I look better physically now than I did then.

Stings quite a bit. It may be hard to get used to this.

And naturally, after I say all this, she hits me up with a text this afternoon wanting to meet again.

Yup, I still need to work on this stuff, as I'm certainly getting too emotionally involved with their games.

Still haven't been out with an okc chick, ha. The closest was a korean girl. I shot her my number, and then my phone service got cut (until the following week). These girls are mostly 7s at best (I get more 7s and 8s on Tinder). I agree that these guys pedestalizing these chicks are the reason its so easy to flake in the first place. Women don't like to be ignored (see instagram and moments on Tinder).

Cold approach is indeed the best option to make an immediate impression, but that doesn't mean that a good majority of these girls are on the apps. You're very likely to come across more introverted, socially awkward women, during day game than you would had you been around before smart phones.

I've also noticed that even whales feel entitled to males of good aesthetics. Running my notch count up would be easy without standards but that's not what I'm in the game for.

OAN: Has anyone tried A-list to see who the hotter chicks are in your area?

(08-16-2015 02:01 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  Still haven't been out with an okc chick, ha.

From my okc experience (back in its glory days before Tinder launched, you whipper-snappers), you're not missing out. Blue-pill me stumbled into dates and a few lays I'd rather NOT remember ...

Remember: online game < cold approach game < social circle game

(08-09-2015 12:28 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 07:09 PM)jackflag Wrote:  The problem comes afterward. Its been murder getting these chicks out for a 2nd date, no matter how well the first one seemingly goes.

I'm a good gauge of when the spark isnt there, and there have been chicks where we had an objectively fun time but I could tell the physical chemistry wasn't there for her. After the date ends we might text for a few more days and then when I try to set something else up, nothing. But as I said, I can usually tell when this is going to happen and though its unfortunate, i'm not shocked.

The confusing part is when these chicks are swallowing my face, or even just saying they want to stay out with me some more when I try to leave...and we're already making plans for the next date...and we text normally afterwards....and then days later when I mention going out again they disappear off the face of the earth. Some even after agreeing to it. I thought these were homeruns the day after.

The first couple times it happened I wrote it off as bad luck. But its been fairly consistent at this point. I have no clue whats going on.

I know its impossible to ask "what's wrong?" since nobody is there with a pen and pad taking down notes, but has anyone experienced something like this before? I never had this problem before moving to SD, and now i'm questioning everything about my game/approach. Too aggressive, not aggressive enough, too silly, texting too much, not texting enough, etc. No idea. Really at a loss here.

It's not just a San Diego problem. It's throughout the US.

Unless you have sex with a girl on the first date, don't expect the second date to happen. Making out with her is not enough. She'll ghost you. Her carousel isn't stopping or slowing down for you. She has met someone else, and he's now first in line.

I've had this happen to me so many times that it doesn't even surprise me. The dividing line really is sex. Take it to the hole and she'll see you again. Otherwise, don't plan on going out with her another time. Expect her to disappear.

This actually is an age-old problem that predates OKCupid. Heck, it pre-dates the Internet...and probably the TV for all I know.

Women don't operate logically the way men do. They don't think "We hit it off, we have a lot in common, he's good-looking, so we'll go out again and see what happens!"

They have the ridiculous, completely subjective notion of "chemistry." Have you ever heard a man use that word, at least in the context of romance? Didn't think so. It's a woman's word.

And it basically means "I follow my vagina." Women accuse men of thinking their their dicks, but that's projection. It's women who don't use their minds when they date.

This is why you can take a woman out on a date and have everything go well, then find out two days later she hooked up with one of her friend's exes who just got out of prison and hadn't showered in a week.

I'm developing the philosophy that if you don't get in on the ground level with a woman -- in college or in high school -- you really do have to go for first-date bangs or at least some other approach if you want to be dating as an adult.

Because I think that with each passing year, women get more and more insane when it comes to dating and attempting any sort of relationship gets more and more difficult. I have single female friends who I've known from age 18-40 and I can tell you that each time they check in with me it just gets weirder and weirder. Who are they dating? Minimally-employed illegals. Their married "trainer." The guy they dated at 18 who now has herpes. Who are they not dating? The many successful guys you find on OKC.

But look at the bright side. Most of y'all are in your twenties. Try dealing with some of these broads at 45 if you really want to see insanity in action.

Addendum: This is a meme one of the aforementioned women just put out on Facebook. What kind of people flaunt that their behavior is "uncontrollable?" Not the kind that agree to second dates with respectful men.
   

^^ Post du jour if there ever was one.

(08-12-2015 01:16 PM)Remington Wrote:  I just started using Tinder because I finally got a smart phone a few weeks ago. I spend a few minutes swiping until I get bored but the girls don't reply to messages as often as the ones you match with on OKC.

You are the man!

I managed to order a girl home for tonight. She wanted to meet in the city but I took a train home while she kept texting and calling me. Completely ignored her.

An hour and a half later she called again. Again didn't answer. Eventually called her back told her I needed to go somewhere to pick up contact lenses or some bollocks and I'm a bit tired of the city but have drinks here and you should come along. I always have some sound in the background whether it be TV or music to make it appear the place to be. She said how about we meet later in the week, I told her I'm off on holiday for a few days and won't have time. She said OK I'll come along then, I'll get dressed and meet you outside train station. At this point I avoided going online on whatsapp for 20 minutes for making it appear I don't give a shit whether she turns up or not. She texted me an hour later she's arriving soon. Met her up she has a good body with an average face, passed the Monday night bang test with aplomb.

Walked 5 minutes to my place. Told her to take her shoes off. Brought a couple of glasses and some Bailey's Original. I told her it will cure her headache. Played the I don't give a fuck game, I think I overdo this some girls have told me "you don't seem to want me here", it's not a bad line to hear though as it means they actually give a shit and are chasing validation. She was loving my apartment telling me how she loved the pictures on the wall. Women love that shit. She told me she usually doesn't meet guys at their place on a first date, obvious bullshit. Started kissing her, her kissing though was fucking atrocious so I told her to do it properly which she loved. Touch her pussy up a bit but she wouldn't get any further. She told me she's attracted to me and all that shite. Sold her the maybe we should be friends line but she didn't buy it. I'm not sure how sexual this bitch is if she doesn't know how to kiss properly after the age of 30. With logic you'd think I'd bang her next time but you know what women are like. Chance she won't go silent ~10%.