I'm just going to leave these two links.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-13...oops-syria

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-13...clear-test

Not what I voted for but I'll wait and see.

(04-13-2017 07:59 PM)kbell Wrote:  http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/...-migrants/

ICE is going to deport 4000 Somalis!

there is a lot of them in Minnesota, hope they don't end up going north...

(04-13-2017 08:22 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 08:09 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:54 PM)MOVSM Wrote:  Instapundit (law professor) is indignant that the commanders need to get special permission to use non-nuclear weapons, possibly involving lawyers:

Quote:It’s interesting, and perhaps disturbing, that field commanders have to get special permission to use these non-nuclear weapons. I’m especially concerned at the possibility that the permission may involve lawyers.

U.S. drops "mother of all bombs" in Afghanistan, marking weapon's first use

Quote:General John Nicholson, commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, sought and obtained permission to use the MOAB, but it’s unclear how far up the chain of command his request traveled, Martin reports.

I think this comes down to cost. In Afghanistan, for an M777 gun to fire off a Excalibur round, the Canadians need to get permission from the minister of defence back in Canada to authorize using the round. Apparently they cost $500,000 each.

Not sure how it might be in the US but I don't see the MOAB being cheap. Shitty deal though because that call can mean the difference between saving lives or the enemy escaping.

I googled the Excalibur round, wondering how it could be so expensive, and several links on ths first page list it as $68K or $70K. Still expensive, but more believable. It's an extended range, high precision artillery round, with 2m accuracy at 50km.

That was the cost I remember it being when I was in the military, year ago. Also 500k is in CAD.

Some evidence of bigly self deportations.

Quote:This comment just in from a Minuteman whose been helping guard the border for 14 years:

A friend of mine works port of entry in Nogales and I just got off the phone with him a couple weeks ago. He told me, “You’re not going to believe the amount of southbound traffic. You know they’re coming up and they got their little trailers pulling their refrigerators, washers, dryers, their big-wheels and their ten-speeds. They’re all going south! We’re not even checking ‘em, we’re just waving ‘em through.”

It’s self-deportation. They realize the gravy’s over and it’s time to roll. When they go back to wherever they came from then they can apply for visas or passports back into the country. They don’t want to get caught up here. They get caught up here and they lose everything.

Some of these people lived here 10, 15, 20 years and they own homes and cars, got businesses. They’re just throwing in the towel and getting while the getting’s good.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/12/the-tr...z4eBS1dZC5

(04-13-2017 08:18 PM)MOVSM Wrote:  the MOAB is astounding!!!

How do you embed facebook videos?

https://www.facebook.com/crossman.alonso...086432564/

Holy shit.

1. Trump does not fuck around
2. That is an amazing reliance on accurate bomb load and targeting to get it to detonate so close to a town without wrecking it
3. This is on a completely different level from Obama sending drones out all over
4. Military is saying ~100 ISIS ate it during this strike
5. Wikileaks is saying CIA helped build these tunnels to originally aid the Muhajadeen
   

What a clusterfuck, though. Stay out of the graveyard of empires.

Any way to prove this is the bomb that was dropped today?

I think Trump should send the bill to Merkel and Hollande. Ask them if they want to pay in one lump sum or like a student loan, inexcusable until their death that is personal and follows them after their presidency ends.

(04-13-2017 07:59 PM)kbell Wrote:  http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/...-migrants/

ICE is going to deport 4000 Somalis!

This is a win. THIS is the sort of shit I was waiting on Trump to make happen. It's been a problem for decades that some countries refuse to accept their criminal scumbags. The US can deny those countries visas and stop handing them free US taxdollars in foreign aid, but that's never been done.

It started with just a handful of adversarial countries not taking back their trash, eg. Cuba, Cambodia, and Vietnam.

But then other countries saw that the USA wasn't gonna do shit to Cuba and Vietnam, so why take back a bunch of criminal deportees? So the number of belligerent countries grew. Now it's China, Bangladesh, India, Haiti, Nigeria... over 30 countries won't accept their trash now. Of all the aid we've given to those shitholes, fuck em. Cut off all visas and foreign aid.

^Turns out that's an old video

I doubt it's a tactical nuke like the video says, but this was uploaded in 2015:

(04-13-2017 08:41 PM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  [*]That is an amazing reliance on accurate bomb load and targeting to get it to detonate so close to a town without wrecking it

I saw one of those daisy cutter type bombs get dropped when I was in Iraq, freeing their people. That is half the size of that bomb, so wow.

We were at whatever it was called that they made out of the tikrit airport. The air force dropped it to clear a big minefield. Everybody knew they were going to do it so we went to watch.

The scary part was how the wind first came by the way we were facing, then a few seconds later came from behind. It made the ground shake, but not hard, and you could see sand jiggling around.

I had drove out with a navy black girl I was trying to bang. She was a warzone 10. She had a funny name like Shalamoohockey Jones or something. When the bomb went off she dug into my shoulder/armpit and a put my arm around her because I'm very sensitive. She got all pissed and said things like "muhfucker get yo muhfuckin hands off me" so all these other people were staring at her yelling at me. My feelings were hurt.

I can't imagine what watching the moab would be like.

Aloha!

From what I can tell, that video you guys have posted is a Yemen munitions plant blowing up in 2015.

@427Life - you have 13 posts dude read the forum rules.

"If you look at what's happened over the last 8 weeks and compare it to what's happened over the last 8 years, you'll notice a tremendous difference."

President Trump

36 d chess is where its at.

Seeing as the American public is enjoying shit blowing up, I keep coming back to the Last Psychiatrist's not-interview with NotMichaelBay on the subject...

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/m...d_i_j.html

Quote:Let's turn to the story (of Dark of the Moon). Numerous critics have decried the meaninglessness of much of the film's action. Why does the copier attack the office staff? What is the purpose of the giant Decepticon worm? There are plot holes and inconsistencies--

Woah! Slow down, wildman, those were on purpose. Look, we're all being raised by TV. Do you think as 4 year olds we really understood what the hell was going on on Batman or Scooby-Doo? You think your kids can really follow the plot of anything by Pixar? Since we've been able to enjoy movies anyway, without following the story, there's no incentive to follow it anymore. And since we have no incentive, we don't get no practice-- and now we can't follow a story, story gets distracting. Just like a porno. Fucking the most confusing movie ever made was voted to be... Vanilla Sky. WTF, you're confused by Vanilla fucking Sky? These lunatics aren't confused just by B plot, they're confused by B roll. So we cut that shit right out and replace it with something on fire.

You deliberately reduce story integrity while simultaneously enhancing the viso-auditory immediacy of the experience? Isn't that ultimately self-negating, even Dadaist?

Explosition, not exposition. That's how we do.

That seems--

In real life, too. President Bush knew we were fucked by history, right? He got there day 1, opened the Book, and was like, fuck me, this is what's really going on...? And then he looked at America and said, these fucktards couldn't find Iraq on a map of Iraq labeled 'Iraq', no way are these Raymond loving motherfuckers going to understand anything about labor costs and the inevitability of falling foreign reserve accumulation. Let's go with 'WMDs.'" A decade of historical analysis later and the deepest anyone's been able to go is, "they lied, it's really about oil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Jesus, what asshats. Now every time poor Obama looks over his speeches he has to say, "no good, too many syllables."

So yeah, anything that has to do with thinking or blinking is edited out in post. That's why it cost so much to make. But the original script for T3:DOTM is fucking Finnegans Wake, you can believe that shit.

No doubt it more rigorously explained the giant Decepticon worm?

Fuck you. It's looking for spice.

(04-13-2017 11:14 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  In real life, too. President Bush knew we were fucked by history, right? He got there day 1, opened the Book, and was like, fuck me, this is what's really going on...? And then he looked at America and said, these fucktards couldn't find Iraq on a map of Iraq labeled 'Iraq', no way are these Raymond loving motherfuckers going to understand anything about labor costs and the inevitability of falling foreign reserve accumulation. Let's go with 'WMDs.'" A decade of historical analysis later and the deepest anyone's been able to go is, "they lied, it's really about oil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Jesus, what asshats. Now every time poor Obama looks over his speeches he has to say, "no good, too many syllables."

DELETE

I can't think of a more deserving bunch to drop that motherfucker on. And I hope it fucking hurt.

So, all the Taliban fighters are now dead?

(04-14-2017 01:50 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  So, all the Taliban fighters are now dead?

Well I know for a fact that the number 2 Taliban is dead. We've killed the number 2 guy like 85 times already. That must be the most dangerous job in the world... the number 2 Taliban guy.

(04-14-2017 02:16 AM)BrewDog Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 01:50 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  So, all the Taliban fighters are now dead?

Well I know for a fact that the number 2 Taliban is dead. We've killed the number 2 guy like 85 times already. That must be the most dangerous job in the world... the number 2 Taliban guy.

Sounds like the premise of Afro Samurai.

Whilst the person who owns the Number One is untouchable, the Number Two is not, and has to live with the knowledge that they can trust no one and love no one and will be hunted by those who seek their Headband.

(04-13-2017 07:59 PM)kbell Wrote:  http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/...-migrants/

ICE is going to deport 4000 Somalis!

While good news, what they don't tell you that they will bring in 20.000 more in the meantime.

(04-14-2017 02:16 AM)BrewDog Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 01:50 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  So, all the Taliban fighters are now dead?

Well I know for a fact that the number 2 Taliban is dead. We've killed the number 2 guy like 85 times already. That must be the most dangerous job in the world... the number 2 Taliban guy.

That's because the number one Taliban guy is sitting behind the biggest desk at the CIA.

(04-13-2017 09:22 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  "If you look at what's happened over the last 8 weeks and compare it to what's happened over the last 8 years, you'll notice a tremendous difference."

President Trump

Obama never had American's best interest in mind when he was president, he was interested in advancing his political agenda and legacy we can see now after it was discovered he was giving millions of taxpayer money to far left group.

It is been only months and it already feel like it is been years.

(04-13-2017 08:31 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 08:22 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 08:09 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:54 PM)MOVSM Wrote:  Instapundit (law professor) is indignant that the commanders need to get special permission to use non-nuclear weapons, possibly involving lawyers:

Quote:It’s interesting, and perhaps disturbing, that field commanders have to get special permission to use these non-nuclear weapons. I’m especially concerned at the possibility that the permission may involve lawyers.

U.S. drops "mother of all bombs" in Afghanistan, marking weapon's first use

Quote:General John Nicholson, commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, sought and obtained permission to use the MOAB, but it’s unclear how far up the chain of command his request traveled, Martin reports.

I think this comes down to cost. In Afghanistan, for an M777 gun to fire off a Excalibur round, the Canadians need to get permission from the minister of defence back in Canada to authorize using the round. Apparently they cost $500,000 each.

Not sure how it might be in the US but I don't see the MOAB being cheap. Shitty deal though because that call can mean the difference between saving lives or the enemy escaping.

I googled the Excalibur round, wondering how it could be so expensive, and several links on ths first page list it as $68K or $70K. Still expensive, but more believable. It's an extended range, high precision artillery round, with 2m accuracy at 50km.

That was the cost I remember it being when I was in the military, year ago. Also 500k is in CAD.

Re: unit prices, I believe they're including R&D. It's not R&D = $X million, then the production cost = $X million per unit. It's R&D / units + production cost = unit cost, which makes things look way more expensive than they are for continued production, especially early on in the project's life. That's what happened with the F-22 coverage a few years back. The F-22 was going to be quite affordable--you know, relatively speaking for a 5th generation stealth fighter--then they kept slashing the units ordered and the next thing you know each plane seemed stupid expensive. And if people didn't understand that R&D was spread across the planes, it probably sounded insane to spend so much per plane.

So take the MOAB, which they claim costs $16 million per unit. Unless that thing is handmade by virgin elf girls only in certain phases of the moon, there's no way in hell it costs that much per new unit. It's a metal shell with cheap filler and a relatively unsophisticated guidance system. It's just expensive because we probably bought about 20 of the things total (20 * $16 mil = $320 mil, about the total project cost) so they never invested in volume production equipment and 90% of the cost is the R&D share for each bomb.

If we actually bought 1000+ of them, it would probably be substantially less than $1 million per bomb. They can make Tomahawks, which are basically little autonomous airplanes and way more sophisticated than the MOAB because they need to actually follow terrain horizontally and have a lot more guidance systems, for less than $2 million each. The fact that the MOAB is bigger doesn't mean much because the material cost is probably like $20,000.

JDAMs are guided bombs and a complete 1000 pound JDAM costs about $28,000, $25k of which is the guidance kit. As far as I can tell, the MOAB uses a similar guidance system. So, seems to me we could probably crank out MOABs for ~$100k each if we set up a proper factory. Maybe $150k depending on how exactly the guidance works, re: tolerances and calibration, because presumably those wings do something. If they're static and all the control is in the tail, I'll stick with closer to $100k.


...And this story:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/13/the-st...lly-wrong/

Suggests the $314 million total, $16 million unit cost is entirely wrong anyway and refers to another program. And that "nobody knows" how much a MOAB costs, because the Air Force doesn't pay attention. That bit sounds more like the Air Force was evading answering some nosy reporter to me, but who knows.

(04-14-2017 06:02 AM)weambulance Wrote:  ...Unless that thing is handmade by virgin elf girls only in certain phases of the moon...

(04-14-2017 06:05 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 06:02 AM)weambulance Wrote:  ...Unless that thing is handmade by virgin elf girls only in certain phases of the moon...

(04-14-2017 02:16 AM)BrewDog Wrote:  Well I know for a fact that the number 2 Taliban is dead. We've killed the number 2 guy like 85 times already.

But is the Number 2 Taliban immortal? Are his methods supernatural?