Honestly guys, there's alot of hostility towards eachother in the last 20 pages, I remember when we were pessimisitic, outright laughed at the fact Trump was running (looks at my first post on page 1), some never doubted him.

Then we were unified brothers behind Trump throughout all the primaries and the election. We all celebrated when he won the presidency.

Now we're at each others throats. I'm afraid some good posters on here will get warnings or worse, banned. I'd hate to see this happen.

Cooler heads should prevail in a turbulent time like this.

I know Trump isn't going to please everyone on every action item, I understand that.

He forever will be the better choice than Hillary Clinton.

#4DChess

I know most here don't like him, but taking into account the dude has better analysis than about 95% of the forum, I could not really be bothered to care. There is a lot of logic in (some of) what Trump is doing right now, EVEN IF YOU DON'T like it, it does not mean that there is not political gain to be had.

Trump is NOT AN IDEOLOGUE. He never was. This was easy to notice from Day 1. The President of the USA can never be a strict ideologue. You cannot roll the world into a mold and work within it from that framework. It is a recipe for failure.

This thought that one can go from a century of total war, central banking and some 50 years of cosmopolitan ideology into "America First" in the first few months, or even in one, or two mandates is utopian. What Trump can do is lay the ground work. Sometimes he will have to compromise. As long as the core objectives remain and are enforced, it will have been worth it. PATIENCE!

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(04-13-2017 11:03 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:58 AM)Enigma Wrote:  This is how you closed the post that I just quoted back to you.

Quote:(snipped Cure lyrics)

And after declaring that America has been doomed since the first month of Trump's presidency, you've gone on to accuse people who don't share your same nihilistic world view as North Korean-like drones engaging in "anti-reason".

It was a depressive rant. May Roosh strike the likes from beneath it. It was over the top. Too much. You are correct to a greater degree than I am correct. Lesson learned.

I will try to frame all future criticism in a more level and balanced fashion. I don't want to bum out the other train passengers.

p.s. I'm not even being sarcastic. I'm serious. That post has aged incredibly poorly. I still think Trump's move there was shit but it wasn't apparently as bad as first thought.

No problem. There's definitely room for criticism, and I have no problem with non-American members commenting on American politics, to be clear.

I think everyone's just getting a little carried away on both sides.

"US drops 'largest non-nuclear bomb' in Afghanistan in area populated by Isis members"

"Mother of all bombs" - ouch!

All over CNN and elsewhere - I walked into Dunkin Donuts and saw it.

Would post a link but I'm on my phone.

[EDIT] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...82996.html

Trump bombing the shit out of ISIS!!!

'Creates a blast radius stretching a mile in each direction'.

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(04-13-2017 11:12 AM)kaotic Wrote:  He forever will be the better choice than Hillary Clinton.

Quoted for Truth.

It's easy to lose sight of this.

The target:
   

I went looking at a description of the MOAB. At least one earlier video shows a hollow waffle plate 4 fin design. I thought, where have I seen that before?

Oh yeah, the SpaceX falcon uses that design.

Wonder where it came from...

I am completetely fine with Trump bombing the shit ouf ISIS and similar groups. Much better than sending in troops and losing lives. If the US doesn't start proxy wars, and at the same time succeeds to exterminate Islamic extremist groups, it's Middle East foreign policy will have already been a success compared to previous years.

Interesting editorial from one of China's English-language state-owned newspapers, The Global Times.

Quote:US President Donald Trump tweeted Tuesday that "North Korea is looking for trouble. If China decides to help, that would be great. If not, we will solve the problem without them!"

North Korea's Supreme People's Assembly convened on Tuesday. A few days later, North Korea will mark the birth anniversary of the late leader Kim Il-sung on April 15, also known as the Day of the Sun. Pyongyang likes to launch nuclear activities as a political salute around this date. Therefore, April is widely seen as a high-risk period for new nuclear tests by North Korea.

The US aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson is headed toward the Korean Peninsula after abruptly turning back from sailing to Australia, and Trump sent a warning via his tweet. These are probably related to reports that satellite surveillance shows North Korea is likely to conduct new nuclear tests. Washington's latest threat to Pyongyang is more credible given its just launched missile attack at an air base in Syria. The Korean Peninsula has never been so close to a military clash since the North conducted its first nuclear test in 2006.

If Pyongyang conducts its sixth nuclear test in the near future, the possibility of US military action against it will be higher than ever. Not only Washington brimming with confidence and arrogance following the missile attacks on Syria, but Trump is also willing to be regarded as a man who honors his promises.

Now the Trump team seems to have decided to solve the North Korean nuclear crisis. As the discussion runs deeper, a situation of no-solution will not be accepted. A new nuclear test or an intercontinental ballistic missile test, if conducted by Pyongyang at this time, will be a slap in the face of the US government and will intensify the confrontation between North Korea and the US.

Presumably Beijing will react strongly to Pyongyang's new nuclear actions. China will not remain indifferent to Pyongyang's aggravating violation of the UN Security Council (UNSC) resolution.

Not only does it reference the example set by the Syria strike and predict Chinese opposition to NK, it also makes a point to justify US military action in response to any NK nuclear tests.

(04-13-2017 10:58 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Silicon Valley is globalist territory.

Trump would do well to smash the Zuckerspergs and frame it as a fight for American workers.

I can't see a lot of downsides for that.

For people not close to the industry, it's important to understand that when we talk about IT workers, we aren't just talking about people who work for those big tech companies like Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, etc. ALL big companies have large amounts of IT work to do (I could explain why but it would fit better in another thread.) GE, Verizon, American Express, Proctor & Gamble ... all of them. Not even just the huge companies, any company with a couple of hundred employees, or even less, needs IT work done. Some have an IT department of 1-2 people who mainly ensure the internet works and everyone has a working laptop. Some of them have hundreds or thousands of people working on gigantic multiyear projects to build websites and apps, process data, integrate systems, analyze data, and do all kinds of work specific to their company and business, to support their business operations. When we are talking about having a million plus guest workers, they aren't just working in Silicon Valley, they are working in every city from Charlotte to Chicago to Phoenix.

That's part of the political challenge. ALL of those companies are, theoretically, saving significant amounts of money by paying less for non-US citizens. They were going to offshore some of that work anyway, but they still needed some of it done in the US, so offshoring wasn't good enough. They had to bring large numbers of offshore workers here to the US to replace Americans ... and, force the wages for those Americans down due to the labor market being flooded. It also has been a form of knowledge transfer from Americans to the guest workers, which helps the globalists by raising the knowledge level outside the US compared to that inside the US. The guest workers can go home with training and experience, and work in offshore development and IT support centers.

NK Kim has to be shitting himself right now.

The main carrot that China has dangled that no one has noticed is the fact that they did not voice much opposition to the strikes on Syria and publicly side with Assad and Russia after the strikes.

(04-13-2017 12:35 PM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  NK Kim has to be shitting himself right now.

   

Since there are lots of retard journalists who don't know the difference between tons and kilotons, and are thus comparing the MOAB to Little Boy, I feel compelled to point out that Little Boy was a 15,000 ton yield. Not 15 ton. MOAB = 11 ton.

Pretty sure it doesn't have a mile blast radius either. More like 150-200 meters. Little Boy had about 1 mile destructive blast radius.

I suppose this is what happens when "Journalism" = "Find the quickest available quote on the internet from any possible source including Wikipedia and other articles".

The one thing I am somewhat amazed by is how incredibly pro-war the media is (especially when Syria was bombed). I mean they were practically falling over themselves.

(04-13-2017 01:06 PM)Menace Wrote:  The one thing I am somewhat amazed by is how incredibly pro-war the media is (especially when Syria was bombed). I mean they were practically falling over themselves.

I like to hope that the media gushing over Trump bombing Syria and the Kendall Jenner Pepsi commercial red-pilled a lot of shitlibs.

(04-13-2017 01:06 PM)Menace Wrote:  The one thing I am somewhat amazed by is how incredibly pro-war the media is (especially when Syria was bombed). I mean they were practically falling over themselves.

Say with me:

War is Peace

Ignorance is Strength

Freedom is Slavery

(04-13-2017 06:19 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  -T says NATO is obsolete and should be scrapped (complaint is that countries aren't contributing enough)
-NATO countries get worried, want to renegotiate
-T gets what he wants, steps to improve deal for USA

-T says China is currency manipulator, we need more favorable trade circumstances
-China gets worried, wants to talk, suddenly is more cooperative with other issues including NK.
-T gets the wheels turning for a more favorable relationship

It could not have been more plain that the point is not what he says, but getting what he (and we) wanted in the end, or at the very least a more favorable deal for the USA than we currently have.

EXACTLY. This hits the nail on the head.

A lot of people on here are upset because they seem to have taken Trump's promises literally rather than take his promises seriously.

Trump has gotten the ball moving in the right direction. Also, there are very real reasons why we can't label China a currency manipulator (would kick off a destructive trade war) and why we can't drop out of NATO (would kick off a ground war with Russia in Eastern Europe), but we can get the ball moving in the right direction (taking out NK and getting European countries to pay up for NATO).

(04-13-2017 07:35 AM)Libertas Wrote:  1. Immigration reduction.
2. Trade reform/bringing back jobs, manufacturing in particular.
3. No more stupid wars.

Hence the visceral, aghast reaction to the strikes in Syria was entirely justified (despite my wish that the response here was a bit more measured and less doom and gloom). It was good that people voiced their opposition very loudly. That was a core campaign promise.

If you're going to nitpick every single thing, you are inevitably going to be disappointed at some point. The very structure of a democratic republic guarantees some campaign promises can't or won't be fulfilled, whether because of expediency in negotiations or the sheer force of inertia. No one gets everything they want.

Exactly, Trump's impulses have not changed 1 iota from the day he started campaigning. His core nationalistic desires are in place. What is in fact evolving is his policy, which he had none 3 months ago. Now that he has a cabinet in place and is working hand in hand with Republican leadership, he is finally finding the grooves that are in place upon which he can get the ball rolling on a plan to replenish America internally and get this country back on track.

He may have shifted on some core campaign rhetoric, but I have reviewed a lot of those shifts and almost every single change he has made has been done so out of the the geopolitical reality we live in and was made as a logical reaction to the reality of the world we live in rather than him shifting core promises.

Even blowing up that airbase was merely a realpolitik tit-for-tat move to signal to American adversaries on the world stage that we are no longer supine as we were during the Obama years.

Quote:1. Trump affirmed no change to Syria policy.
2. He reaffirmed that the wall is going to be built.
3. Illegal immigration on the border is down by around 70% since the inauguration.
4. Gorsuch confirmed.

That doesn't look suspicious to me. The only thing that does look suspicious is the stuff about Bannon, but we'll see how that goes.

Now, most of these things are very positive, right? And I know this can't really compete with the stories that people tend to make up in their heads, but you have to agree that these things are positive, right? Now imagine some other controversy in the future and information is conflicting, but it's easy to make some kind of sense of it objectively if you simply turn back to the three pillars of the campaign.

Yes, these are positives. The thing with Bannon is that from what I have heard is that he attacked Trump's family members (probably Jared and Ivanka). The fact remains is that to Trump, Bannon is some guy he met 6 months ago whereas Ivanka is his daughter and both Jared and Ivanka have born his grandchildren.

Blood runs thicker than water and Bannon may have to accept a reduced role in the White House going forward.

Also, Tillerson and Mattis have risen in Trump's cabinet and have been running interference in order to stabilize Trump's policy.

(04-13-2017 01:06 PM)Menace Wrote:  The one thing I am somewhat amazed by is how incredibly pro-war the media is (especially when Syria was bombed). I mean they were practically falling over themselves.

Yep, the way it works is they'll trot out 5 "correspondents" onto a program who all agree that Syria should be bombed. What their opinions will differ on maybe is how or when it should be bombed. Once the agenda is established, they will only discuss details like that. Once in a blue moon they'll bring on an actual expert who will reject any involvement in the Middle East. And if he is brought on , he will be shouted down by the other "experts" as a Russian traitor or the Neville Chamberlain of our time.

This is what Chomsky called the "narrow spectrum of allowed opinion" within the MSM.

The good thing about Trump was he created a strong alliance of different factions in his cult of personality. Alt-right, manosphere, civic nationalists, all kinds of people. Understandably then, lots of people would like the alliance to still have their figurehead. We saw just how important the kind of civic Trumpian nationalism could be. We also heard the warnings, that any organisation or movement that isn't strictly right wing/jew wise (I added that), is bound to become leftist and neocon.

It would be great if the different factions of young Americans could keep their alliance intact. No one still wants war for Israel, no one wants more foreign workers, no one wants degeneracy and feminism. Did this election not create some semblance of trust among different factions? That would be worth building on.