I was merely pointing out that the hiring freeze had been lifted. I understand that the government needs to be staffed in order to function.

I don't have an issue with NATO either. I take issue with countries like Germany who can afford to pay up, but don't. Then they boast about budget surpluses they will spend on rapefugees. They should be shamed into compliance.

Mike making some good points that Kushner is getting bad press designed to generate a negative reaction because his influence on the NSC is preventing McMaster from consolidating all power from which he can try to launch a ground war in Syria.

As a matter of fact, the persuaders in the Deep State probably know that they can drive the alt-right, gung-ho with their love of parentheses wild with any suspicious-looking accusation regarding Kushner (thanks to word-thinking), all the while pushing Trump into their arms.

Worth watching his video/periscope.

I'd prefer Kushner and globalist Gary to go too, but beware.

(04-12-2017 07:03 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  In other words, what you're saying is that we should never have believed a single fucking word Trump has ever said (After all, rumor has it he wrote a book about that).

No, I'm actually saying the opposite.

The 2016 Republican Presidential Election had a lot of great undertones, but one of my favorites was instantly knowing the difference between those (majority) media members who never read The Art of the Deal and those (rare) media members who have. Those who didn't were simultaneously tricked by Trump's tactics and entirely self-assured that they (not Trump) write in control of the situation.

In your case, you're citing my belief in his negotiation tactics as explained in The Art of the Deal (Trump's words) as evidence that I'm "hamstering" by not taking literally his extreme positions on NATO (Trump's words).

Apparently China has had a reprieve as well.

Quote:"They’re not currency manipulators," Trump said.

OK then...

The mental gymnastics

Kushner is best pals with Netanyahu, literally owes Soros 250 million, is a registered democrat and member of an ultra-orthodox jewish supremacist organization, but yeah, lets all believe he is an innocent victim because Mike Cernovich says so.

At this point, nothing is making sense to me. The Trump team is all over the place with their contradicting statements and I definitely will adopt the "wait and see" approach.

This is like that scene in the Matrix Reloaded where the old God-dude was lecturing Neo and talking all kinds of shit and you had no idea what the fuck was going on.

(04-12-2017 09:13 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  At this point, nothing is making sense to me. The Trump team is all over the place with their contradicting statements and I definitely will adopt the "wait and see" approach.

This is like that scene in the Matrix Reloaded where the old God-dude was lecturing Neo and talking all kinds of shit and you had no idea what the fuck was going on.

The bigger thing to realize:

We already didn't have a clue what the fuck was going on. But the media was winding a narrative and we believed it in small doses, or didn't see it all in its nasty detail.

Trump doesn't keep up the facade with the same uniform coordination. Good decisions or bad, there's not a lot of energy being spent on maintaining the narrative across entities that has been fed to us for decades.

We're seeing the world without all of the makeup.

And it's ugly.

And dangerous.

Welcome to the jungle.

Trump's back and forth is like watching an 8 trying to decide between the outlaw biker and the bass player from a fourth rate garage band.

Quote:lets all believe he is an innocent victim because Mike Cernovich says so.

That isn't what Mike said.

But that characterization does illustrate the point to be made about confirmation bias and word-thinking.

Is all this talk of Sigmas and Spergs the new right's version of purity tests?

You guys are going to drive yourself insane second guessing every move. We have Trump for the next four years. I don't doubt things will be better under his administration than under a Clinton one.

Getting someone like Gorsuch was good enough for my vote. Not to mention Trump may have 2 to 3 more Supreme Court vancancies to fill during his term. That alone will shape the country for a long time.

In the interest of getting everyone to lighten up a bit, I'm going to add actual video footage of Trump negotiating a disarmament deal with North Korea.

This was literally filmed 5 minutes ago.

(04-12-2017 09:42 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  Is all this talk of Sigmas and Spergs the new right's version of purity tests?

No. And, if anyone is going to insist on purity tests, it's the Sigmas and the Spergs. A Sperg will hear an extremely difficult promise, such as the complete dismantling of NATO - (which isn't in Trump's power to do) - and take it literally. From there, he'll imply that his literal interpretation of Trump's words is the absolute purest interpretation.

A non-Sperg will take extraordinary promises less-than-literarlly because they're so extraordinary.

(04-12-2017 09:47 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  You guys are going to drive yourself insane second guessing every move. We have Trump for the next four years. I don't doubt things will be better under his administration than under a Clinton one.

Getting someone like Gorsuch was good enough for my vote. Not to mention Trump may have 2 to 3 more Supreme Court vancancies to fill during his term. That alone will shape the country for a long time.

The way I see it, it goes like this.

There were three primary reasons, the three overarching themes (not just single issues) why people stood in line past midnight to go to Trump's rallies and vote. There were three reasons for the meme magic squad too.

1. Immigration reduction.
2. Trade reform/bringing back jobs, manufacturing in particular.
3. No more stupid wars.

In a few words, "America first."

Maybe throw in a fourth for the supreme court.

Hence the visceral, aghast reaction to the strikes in Syria was entirely justified (despite my wish that the response here was a bit more measured and less doom and gloom). It was good that people voiced their opposition very loudly. That was a core campaign promise.

As long as Trump keeps to those themes, we're cool. If he doesn't, then I'll oppose with all powers I can muster, and if that doesn't work, I'll just sit out. I have other things going on.

If you're going to nitpick every single thing, you are inevitably going to be disappointed at some point. The very structure of a democratic republic guarantees some campaign promises can't or won't be fulfilled, whether because of expediency in negotiations or the sheer force of inertia. No one gets everything they want.

But if he goes back on those three core things, then you get ready for a fight. And going back means a substantive action. Not a talk or a speculation about it.

If people would adhere to this rational basis test of sorts, good thought will drown out bad.

(04-12-2017 08:05 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Mike making some good points that Kushner is getting bad press designed to generate a negative reaction because his influence on the NSC is preventing McMaster from consolidating all power from which he can try to launch a ground war in Syria.

As a matter of fact, the persuaders in the Deep State probably know that they can drive the alt-right, gung-ho with their love of parentheses wild with any suspicious-looking accusation regarding Kushner (thanks to word-thinking), all the while pushing Trump into their arms.

Worth watching his video/periscope.

I'd prefer Kushner and globalist Gary to go too, but beware.

I watched the Cernovich video at your recommendation, and loved it.

I tend towards idealism, and the most interesting question for me after Trump's victory was, "What are the leftists going to do?" Ideally, the Bernie-wing and Stein-wing of the democratic party would heavily influence the Hillary-wing towards a united, but nonetheless liberal, "America First" strategy.

Needless to say, this didn't happen.

Leftists can't give up the fight, so that's out. Nor can they have a direct ideological fight with conservatives, because that's what the election was - and they lost.

So the only tactic left is indirect fighting, and the specialized leftist indirect fighting tactic is Demoralization through False Gossip. Target the weakest and most non-compromised loyal member of the Trump Train and sever him from the base.

Smearing Kushner sounds exactly like something leftists would do.

(04-12-2017 09:01 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  The mental gymnastics

Kushner is best pals with Netanyahu, literally owes Soros 250 million, is a registered democrat and member of an ultra-orthodox jewish supremacist organization, but yeah, lets all believe he is an innocent victim because Mike Cernovich says so.

Kushner is also owned by the Carlyle Group, which bailed him out by fronting him $525 mill when his billion dollar investment into 666 5th Ave went upside down during the recession.

(04-12-2017 10:14 AM)Gmac Wrote:  Ben Carson got stuck in an elevator this morning. Also reveals...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/...hud-audit/

Quote:MSM SILENT: Ben Carson Finds $500 BILLION in Fraud-Mismanagement in HUD Audit

HUD Director Dr. Ben Carson found a big economic pitfall by the Obama administration.



The mainstream media has neglected to report on a BIG find by Dr. Ben Carson. The Trump cabinet is a winning cabinet.

Dr. Carson dug into the agencies records in a sweeping audit wherein he found substantial bookkeeping “errors”, which only prove either the incompetence or the corrupt nature of the previous administration led by former-president, Barack Obama.

The HUD report found $500 billion in fraud and mismanagement in the government agency.

What We Found

"The total amounts of errors corrected in HUD’s notes and consolidated financial statements were $516.4 billion and $3.4 billion, respectively. There were several other unresolved audit matters, which restricted our ability to obtain sufficient, appropriate evidence to express an opinion. These unresolved audit matters relate to (1) the Office of General Counsel’s refusal to sign the management representation letter, (2) HUD’s improper use of cumulative and first-in, first-out budgetary accounting methods of disbursing community planning and development program funds, (3) the $4.2 billion in nonpooled loan assets from Ginnie Mae’s stand-alone financial statements that we could not audit due to inadequate support, (4) the improper accounting for certain HUD assets and liabilities, and (5) material differences between HUD’s subledger and general ledger accounts. This audit report contains 11 material weaknesses, 7 significant deficiencies, and 5 instances of noncompliance with applicable laws and regulations."

We took a screenshot of the .pdf file that outlines the findings by Dr. Carson and his team:



https://www.hudoig.gov/reports-publicati...-financial

So far the Trump administration has had opposition from the left and the mainstream media. This is just another example of the terrible reporting you can find from their mouthpieces.

No wonder Barry is hiding out.

This is just the beginning, the half trillion missing/misused is just the first instalment, HUD is one of the main black budget nexes, along with the Pentagon. If you're familiar with Catherine Austin Fitts, you wouldn't be surprised at Carson's finding, he's in the eye of the hurricane.

Mrs Fitts is an American hero, one of the most capable, bright and righteous civil servants turned whistleblower. I highly recommend listening to these videos for starts, for a great picture of the darker/hidden side of the macroeconomic and financial situation in America. If you don't have time to watch them now, save them in your queue:





Former Assistant Secretary of Housing under George H.W. Bush Catherine Austin Fitts blows the whistle on how the financial terrorists have deliberately imploded the US economy and transferred gargantuan amounts of wealth offshore as a means of sacrificing the American middle class. Fitts documents how trillions of dollars went missing from government coffers in the 90's and how she was personally targeted for exposing the fraud.

^^^^ the second video is a bit all over the place due to the hosts interrupting, I will try to find some of Fitts' more instructive/better structured lectures.

(04-12-2017 09:13 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  At this point, nothing is making sense to me. The Trump team is all over the place with their contradicting statements and I definitely will adopt the "wait and see" approach.

This is like that scene in the Matrix Reloaded where the old God-dude was lecturing Neo and talking all kinds of shit and you had no idea what the fuck was going on.

The matrix films are fake news.

Neo = mislead agent of Satan (Morpheus)
Architect = Benevolent God who has forgiven Neo 5 seperate times but whose patience has now worn thin

Might want to read my earlier post about the Matrix films:


https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48360...pid1545344

(04-13-2017 01:28 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:13 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  At this point, nothing is making sense to me. The Trump team is all over the place with their contradicting statements and I definitely will adopt the "wait and see" approach.

This is like that scene in the Matrix Reloaded where the old God-dude was lecturing Neo and talking all kinds of shit and you had no idea what the fuck was going on.

The matrix films are fake news.

Neo = mislead agent of Satan (Morpheus)
Architect = Benevolent God who has forgiven Neo 5 seperate times but whose patience has now worn thin

Might want to read my earlier post about the Matrix films:


https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48360...pid1545344

Scenes from the White House:

Quote:TRUMP: Hello Mike.

CERNOVICH: Who are you?

TRUMP: I am the Architect. I created the MAGA. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions and though the ayahuasca has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably alt-right. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand and some you will not. Concurrently, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

CERNOVICH: Why am I here?

TRUMP: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the MAGA. You are the eventuality of a political anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts, I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of political theatre. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

CERNOVICH: You haven't answered my question.

TRUMP: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than Bannon.

CERNOVICH: Bannon? You mean others? How many? What others?

TRUMP: The MAGA is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next. In which case this is the sixth version.

CERNOVICH: There are only two possible explanations. Either no one told me, or no one knows.

TRUMP: Precisely. Are you were undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly is systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic political forums.

CERNOVICH: Voting. The problem is voting.

TRUMP: The first MAGA I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equalLed only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every Republican. Thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the MAGA, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

CERNOVICH: Hillary Clinton.

TRUMP: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a vote, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

CERNOVICH: This is about Zion.

TRUMP: You are here because Zion is about to be saved. Its every living inhabitant legalised, its entire existence affirmed.

CERNOVICH: Bullshit.

TRUMP: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have built it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

TRUMP: The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the MAGA 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild the right. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the MAGA, which coupled with the creation of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

CERNOVICH: You won't let it happen, you can't. You need Republicans to survive.

TRUMP: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every Republican in this world.

*Trump presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the MAGA appear on the monitors*

TRUMP: It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, clicks.

Good stuff Paracelus.

There is a good analysis of The Matrix symbolisms and hidden meanings by Jay Dyer:

https://jaysanalysis.com/2014/01/20/the-...c-analysis

Quote:Scenes from the White House:

I'm convinced the neocons got to Trump. Hope he wasn't threatened into doing their bidding but not surprised. As others said before, if he or his family was threatened you have to wonder why he would run for president as a controversial candidate if that was a deal breaker. Kind of odd that Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr are almost completely out of the spotlight now even though they really were great on the campaign trail.

On the other hand if the Trump presidency ends up being some big globalist psy-op around 10-20 years in the making to discredit the nationalists and bring in the NWO all I have to say is wow. If they would go to those lengths to get their way it doesn't look like there's any way for the people to take back control of our government peacefully.

The initial very strong media opposition to Trump still makes me feel he made deals with some people after the election to soften his stance or was threatened and backed down. We knew he wouldn't do everything he said he would but to make what appears to be a 180 on some key issues definitely leaves me a little concerned going forward. If he goes full neocon I'll admit I was duped and did not see this coming. Will watch and wait.

(04-13-2017 02:06 AM)911 Wrote:  Good stuff Paracelus.

There is a good analysis of The Matrix symbolisms and hidden meanings by Jay Dyer:

https://jaysanalysis.com/2014/01/20/the-...c-analysis

I personally like The Last Psychiatrist's breakdown of the film:

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/03/w...atrix.html

Which does tie it to narcissism. Still, when we think about it, Satan is arguably the first narcissist.

(04-12-2017 05:10 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 04:59 PM)rockoman Wrote:  Please stop talking down to the rest of us MMX2010.

Engage instead with the concrete issues.

Rockoman, whom I haven't even talked to, just White Knighted on behalf of Edmund Ironside, who hasn't complained about "being talked down to".

And he makes his plea that I should "engage with the concrete issues", by making a post that doesn't engage in the concrete issues.

Get outta here.

MMX2010,

when you responded to Edmund Ironside in the way that you did you were implicitly speaking to anyone who shared his views.

With all this talk of spergs and sigmas you are trying to cast anyone who disagrees with you as having some kind of personality disorder, or as holding the views that they do only because they are some kind of personality type. I'm obviously not the only one who has noticed this. This is textbook case of an 'ad hominem' attack.

Further, you said somewhere in the thread above:

'When your god-emperor does something you don't understand, keep your mouth shut and your eyes open"

or words to that effect.

Don't you think enjoining people to keep their mouths shut defeats the purpose of a discussion board such as this. We are after all here to discuss with each other - and to do that without having pseudo-pysychological labels attached to us in an effort to diminish our arguments.

Now to those concrete issues.

Trump assumed office having attacked previous administrations for their wars abroad which have 'bled our country dry'. His actions and personnel choices since inaugaration have shown that he is in fact continuing those policies. Everyone who has been following politics for the last 20 years can see that Clinton, Bush or Obama would have made very similar choices.

Some people say 'wait and see'. However, a President has the chance to make his greatest mark at the beginning. The longer time goes on, the more he becomes the prisoner of his own decisions that he has previously made. At the beginning he has a clean sheet and has the most freedom.

An example - the Tomahawk attacks on Syria last week.:

Assad's opponents are now under great pressure from Syrian government forces and Russian air support. Gradually losing ground.
Trump has indicated that the renewed use (alleged) of chemical weapons will lead to a similar - or greater - reaction in the future. Assad's opponents now have a very great incentive to make sure that further such incidents occur - to spur more US intervention. At the same time Russia and Iran have stated that they will respond to any such intervention.

So, let us assume that a 'chemical incident' occurs. What does Trump do? If he does nothing then he loses credibility. If he attacks Syria again, then he risks a direct military confrontation with Russia and all that that may entail.

It's like a chess game - the longer the game goes on, the fewer effective options you have because of the moves you have previously made.

So, it won't get better from here on in.

That's why - just as in chess - it's important to make sure that those early decisions are good ones.