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floor7 · 2017-04-09 02:46:00 · #62030
https://www.axios.com/trumps-new-economi...gn=organic
Trump's CEA chair was the co-author of DOW 36000 in 1999. That in and of itself should disqualify him.
Trump's CEA chair was the co-author of DOW 36000 in 1999. That in and of itself should disqualify him.
Paracelsus · 2017-04-09 02:50:00 · #62031
(04-09-2017 12:55 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: Unless the 150k are only for isis, this will be a disaster.
If the 150k cross the Syrian border, they will, unquestionably, not be only for ISIS. Whether intentionally or otherwise. The moment a US platoon steps into Syria they'll be fighting everyone. Syria was a lost cause the moment it descended into civil war, indeed I would wager those who started that war knew that full well.
When is the US going to learn that the way Anglo-Saxons fight civil wars is different from the rest of the world, i.e. there comes a point where one side admits it's lost and stops shooting?
TravelerKai · 2017-04-09 02:51:00 · #62032
Coercion over your children. I don't know about you guys but I would rather die than serve a Satanic group of people. Are their any real patriots left in our country?
It's getting so out of control in a sense that taking up arms might be the only things left. That or leave.
They have divided us so badly that liberals and conservatives alike have the same enemies but yet we fight each other and other races all day long.
If what you say comes to fruition Samseau, then there is no avoiding the book of Revelation for any amount of time. We cannot even buy ourselves a measly 50 years. Antichrist small a and big A will continue to follow each other president after president, until the greatest deceiver of all seals our fate.
For all you guys on the fence, there are warning shots every day if you open your eyes. Better make it right. You have absolutely nothing to lose, except your pride.
It's getting so out of control in a sense that taking up arms might be the only things left. That or leave.
They have divided us so badly that liberals and conservatives alike have the same enemies but yet we fight each other and other races all day long.
If what you say comes to fruition Samseau, then there is no avoiding the book of Revelation for any amount of time. We cannot even buy ourselves a measly 50 years. Antichrist small a and big A will continue to follow each other president after president, until the greatest deceiver of all seals our fate.
For all you guys on the fence, there are warning shots every day if you open your eyes. Better make it right. You have absolutely nothing to lose, except your pride.
Paracelsus · 2017-04-09 02:54:00 · #62033
(04-09-2017 01:21 AM)weambulance Wrote: We have our own problems here, and they run a lot deeper than most people realize. Poking nuclear bears is supposed to help fix the shitty bubble economy, swarms of illegal immigrants, and crumbling infrastructure problems how, exactly?
By sending defence spending through the roof, i.e. government largesse and quantitative easing in another form.
Trump doesn't think he's Andrew Jackson, he thinks he's Ronald Reagan. Too bad Ronald Reagan wasn't already steeped in a 15 year deployment into two Islamic shitholes and didn't have a generation of millennial shits screaming about microaggressions.
Zelcorpion · 2017-04-09 03:04:00 · #62034
Samseau - I told you - never underestimate the power of the globalists! He COULD NOT WIN THIS BATTLE!
I would have voted for him anyway and would have recommended to do it, because it was delicious to see the SJWs squirm. Also it is a sign of the rising population, but of course the bad thing is that they will soon find out that they cannot vote their way out of it.
If Trump was truly anti-globalist anti-real-power-structure, then he would never have gotten the Republican nomination.
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On the issue of immigration:
https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/04/07/2...cea-chair/
His choice candidate on immigration:
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On Syria gas attacks:
The White Helmets are a propaganda arm of the Al-Queada/ISIS alliance - the Swedish independent doctors organization clearly pointed that out (aside from incriminating pics and videos):
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13960119001418
https://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/201...nt-page-1/
Here a vid of how not to treat children with poison gas exposure.
The doctors run down all the points clearly showing that it was a scam, the kids were likely poisoned with opiates and later killed.
More on the White helmets - a propaganda outlet invited to the Oscars, honored with fake-news documentaries and given a Nobel price:
![[Image: 17-White-Helmets-Terrorists.jpg]](http://i2.wp.com/21stcenturywire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/17-White-Helmets-Terrorists.jpg)
![[Image: C5rDqqkWgAAZ8y4.jpg]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5rDqqkWgAAZ8y4.jpg)
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Seems like they opened up another front via Jordan now:
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Meanwhile President Trump is taking it easy:
![[Image: C88hr03VYAA4s9D.jpg]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C88hr03VYAA4s9D.jpg)
![[Image: C88hq4gUIAACUAk.jpg]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C88hq4gUIAACUAk.jpg)
Well - at least he can work on his handicap like all presidents do.
I would have voted for him anyway and would have recommended to do it, because it was delicious to see the SJWs squirm. Also it is a sign of the rising population, but of course the bad thing is that they will soon find out that they cannot vote their way out of it.
If Trump was truly anti-globalist anti-real-power-structure, then he would never have gotten the Republican nomination.
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On the issue of immigration:
https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/04/07/2...cea-chair/
His choice candidate on immigration:
Quote:America Needs more workers
… With lackluster GDP growth threatening to become our new normal, allowing more immigrants to enter for the sake of employment is one of the few policies that might restore our old normal. If the U.S. doubled its total immigration and prioritized bringing in new workers, it could add more than half a percentage point a year to expected GDP growth.
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On Syria gas attacks:
The White Helmets are a propaganda arm of the Al-Queada/ISIS alliance - the Swedish independent doctors organization clearly pointed that out (aside from incriminating pics and videos):
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13960119001418
https://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/201...nt-page-1/
Here a vid of how not to treat children with poison gas exposure.
The doctors run down all the points clearly showing that it was a scam, the kids were likely poisoned with opiates and later killed.
Quote:However, after broader investigation, our team ascertained that the boy was unconscious from an overdose of opiates. The video shows the child receiving injections in his chest, perhaps in the area of the heart and was eventually killed while a clearly fake adrenaline injection was administered.
This was a murder.
The doctors determined in its analysis:
• The video should be life-saving measures after a chemical attack with chlorine gas (now claimed to be Sarin-not possible), including injection of adrenaline via syringe with a long needle into the heart of an infant. In no way were treatments correctly given for any potential chemical agent.
• The handling and treatment of the child was done in a manner that was careless, dangerous and likely to cause serious harm.
• Most telling is the fake repeated shots of adrenalin, supposedly into the heart. The medical personnel, and I think we can safely call them actors at this point, failed to push the plunger on the needle. Thus, the contents of the syringe were never injected as is clearly visible in the video itself.
• The visible diagnosis by a team of actual medical experts, based on what is observed in the video, indicates that the child was suffering from an injection of opiates and was likely dying of an overdose. There is no evidence of any other agent, chemical or otherwise.
• None of the children in the videos showed any sign of being a victim of a chemical attack. From an earlier video by the White Helmets.
• It was clear that the faked injection with the long needle administered through the stitches murdered the child in the video. This was a purposeful killing staged to appear as medical treatment.
• Behind the fake translation of the videos, the actual Arabic included stage directions for positioning the child for the video, not for medical treatment.
More on the White helmets - a propaganda outlet invited to the Oscars, honored with fake-news documentaries and given a Nobel price:
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Seems like they opened up another front via Jordan now:
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Meanwhile President Trump is taking it easy:
Well - at least he can work on his handicap like all presidents do.
Praetor Lupus · 2017-04-09 03:05:00 · #62035
Even now I still believe that Trump was the best choice.
With Hillary, we would have had the exact same thing in regards to Syria, plus lots of fucking virtue signalling in general into the bargain, which would have been intolerable.
With Hillary, we would have had the exact same thing in regards to Syria, plus lots of fucking virtue signalling in general into the bargain, which would have been intolerable.
durangotang · 2017-04-09 03:10:00 · #62036
I am calling it right now, Donald is after the oil.
I have watched Donald from the day he announced, virtually everyday for almost two years. I watched him and had a great laugh in 2010 during his exploratory committee when he flirted with running then. He isn't going to change his mind on fundamental issues, not for Kushner, not for Ivanka, not for anyone. We were getting caught up in a well orchestrated media campaign. Despite our dislike for neocons, cucks, progressives, or the establishment, and we don't want him surrounded by them 24/7 whispering shit in his ear, he did live in Manhattan for his entire life and he knows the score.
He is who he is.
Donald is extremely honest when you understand how he sells something - take healthcare for example. He said the best thing to do politically is to let it fail, but he doesn't want to do that, the right thing to do is fix it for the people first. So he let Ryan run with Ryancare, because he knew who Ryan was and he wanted it to fall flat, so that he could do the best thing politically, which he wanted to do anyway, but be seen as having tried to do the right thing for the people. Since when hasn't he put his name on a project of his? On a secondary level, it softens Ryan up.
Without healthcare, tax reform becomes a pain in the ass.
So what can he do?
The judiciary has been screwing with his immigration implementation and Democrats have held up his nominations, including Gorsuch, until just recently. He is a businessman, and he is fast paced, so it's down the list of what to implement instead of playing golf and twiddling his thumbs. And with Donald, I still believe it's America first. Yes, he is a Zionist, and he will do what's in Israel's interests as long as it dovetails with America's interests and he'll look for common ground. Most of us don't like it, but I don't think he is doing this for Israel (if I am wrong we're soooooo fucked).
He wants the oil.
He sees that wealth as a big slush fund that he can use to bypass Congress. He can do the wall however he wants and on his time frame (and Mexico will reimburse us later). He can pay off deceased veteran families which he has mentioned specifically. He can have a lot of cash to put towards infrastructure. He can get the tax rate he wants. He also can get a military victory and regain the momentum. To the victor go the spoils.
As promised, he can setup safe zones thereby ending the migrant crisis. After a few weeks, or months, he can claim victory over ISIS and he can do all this in a manner he hopes also ends the false Russian narrative while placating the neocons in his party and garnering the support of the establishment (let's just hope Donald coordinates behind the scenes with Russia and we negotiate this war wisely so as to avoid WW3). I am certain that Donald doesn't want a war with Russia. I presume Assad will go and Russia will get to keep their naval base on the Mediterranean and we will promise to recognize Crimea formally during peace talks with Russia after the war is over.
I think he sees this as the wildcard that gives him a huge win and sets up his entire presidency, which is why he is going for it now. He isn't planning on playing by the same set of rules as other presidents. He is going to use this to change the game, and with this oil money he'll have leverage over Washington D.C. to do what he wants. This gives him leverage over Congress. With leverage, Congress has to dance to his tune, not the other way around.
Plain and simple, Donald has been planning this from day one and McMaster is his willing participant.
Just watch this David Muir interview from when Donald is first elected in the White House. He is so excited to sell this plan to take back the oil, he even says "It's time" dramatically to sell the idea, but David talks over him and ruins the dramatic delivery. I knew in my heart then that Donald was serious about getting that oil and I had a bad feeling about it morally. It nagged my conscience that I supported him and he wanted to do it. From a moral perspective, I wished he would let it go. I clearly remember Donald calling people who said that it violated international law "fools" and that caused an inner turmoil in me for several days thinking about it, because I knew it wasn't right.
Skip to 20 mins 30 seconds to see what I am talking about:
I would like to think that the gas attack was coincidental and that Donald acted opportunistically, but the timing was just too perfect. Within 48 hours Bannon gets demoted from the NSC meetings and the story leaks that his security clearance was revoked (it wasn't), a meeting which he attends the next day, while Donald is meeting with the King of Jordan (which borders Syria) to work out a deal regarding the invasion a false flag gas attack occurs which they condemn together, Nikki Haley gives a well rehearsed speech to the UN delivering an ultimatum, and president Trump orders and air strike in a show of strength the very night the president of China is at Mar-a-Lago. Gee, that gas attack in Syria came at just the right time, don't you think? And was surprisingly well documented too.
Meanwhile we actually get lost in the fog of war and believed that Donald is pulling a 180 thanks to Ivanka and Kushner, not with reason albeit. But from the looks of it, Kushner is just doing Donald's bidding, including going to Iraq and wearing that stupid bullet proof jacket over his suit to garner Iraqi support. We actually entertained the idea that Donald himself couldn't tell that the gas attack was an obvious false flag and that he had suddenly become Hillary Clinton. No, no, we had it all wrong.
I have had time to think about it and this is entirely Donald's choice, and not only that, he as been planning it for quite a while.
I have watched Donald from the day he announced, virtually everyday for almost two years. I watched him and had a great laugh in 2010 during his exploratory committee when he flirted with running then. He isn't going to change his mind on fundamental issues, not for Kushner, not for Ivanka, not for anyone. We were getting caught up in a well orchestrated media campaign. Despite our dislike for neocons, cucks, progressives, or the establishment, and we don't want him surrounded by them 24/7 whispering shit in his ear, he did live in Manhattan for his entire life and he knows the score.
He is who he is.
Donald is extremely honest when you understand how he sells something - take healthcare for example. He said the best thing to do politically is to let it fail, but he doesn't want to do that, the right thing to do is fix it for the people first. So he let Ryan run with Ryancare, because he knew who Ryan was and he wanted it to fall flat, so that he could do the best thing politically, which he wanted to do anyway, but be seen as having tried to do the right thing for the people. Since when hasn't he put his name on a project of his? On a secondary level, it softens Ryan up.
Without healthcare, tax reform becomes a pain in the ass.
So what can he do?
The judiciary has been screwing with his immigration implementation and Democrats have held up his nominations, including Gorsuch, until just recently. He is a businessman, and he is fast paced, so it's down the list of what to implement instead of playing golf and twiddling his thumbs. And with Donald, I still believe it's America first. Yes, he is a Zionist, and he will do what's in Israel's interests as long as it dovetails with America's interests and he'll look for common ground. Most of us don't like it, but I don't think he is doing this for Israel (if I am wrong we're soooooo fucked).
He wants the oil.
He sees that wealth as a big slush fund that he can use to bypass Congress. He can do the wall however he wants and on his time frame (and Mexico will reimburse us later). He can pay off deceased veteran families which he has mentioned specifically. He can have a lot of cash to put towards infrastructure. He can get the tax rate he wants. He also can get a military victory and regain the momentum. To the victor go the spoils.
As promised, he can setup safe zones thereby ending the migrant crisis. After a few weeks, or months, he can claim victory over ISIS and he can do all this in a manner he hopes also ends the false Russian narrative while placating the neocons in his party and garnering the support of the establishment (let's just hope Donald coordinates behind the scenes with Russia and we negotiate this war wisely so as to avoid WW3). I am certain that Donald doesn't want a war with Russia. I presume Assad will go and Russia will get to keep their naval base on the Mediterranean and we will promise to recognize Crimea formally during peace talks with Russia after the war is over.
I think he sees this as the wildcard that gives him a huge win and sets up his entire presidency, which is why he is going for it now. He isn't planning on playing by the same set of rules as other presidents. He is going to use this to change the game, and with this oil money he'll have leverage over Washington D.C. to do what he wants. This gives him leverage over Congress. With leverage, Congress has to dance to his tune, not the other way around.
Plain and simple, Donald has been planning this from day one and McMaster is his willing participant.
Just watch this David Muir interview from when Donald is first elected in the White House. He is so excited to sell this plan to take back the oil, he even says "It's time" dramatically to sell the idea, but David talks over him and ruins the dramatic delivery. I knew in my heart then that Donald was serious about getting that oil and I had a bad feeling about it morally. It nagged my conscience that I supported him and he wanted to do it. From a moral perspective, I wished he would let it go. I clearly remember Donald calling people who said that it violated international law "fools" and that caused an inner turmoil in me for several days thinking about it, because I knew it wasn't right.
Skip to 20 mins 30 seconds to see what I am talking about:
I would like to think that the gas attack was coincidental and that Donald acted opportunistically, but the timing was just too perfect. Within 48 hours Bannon gets demoted from the NSC meetings and the story leaks that his security clearance was revoked (it wasn't), a meeting which he attends the next day, while Donald is meeting with the King of Jordan (which borders Syria) to work out a deal regarding the invasion a false flag gas attack occurs which they condemn together, Nikki Haley gives a well rehearsed speech to the UN delivering an ultimatum, and president Trump orders and air strike in a show of strength the very night the president of China is at Mar-a-Lago. Gee, that gas attack in Syria came at just the right time, don't you think? And was surprisingly well documented too.
Meanwhile we actually get lost in the fog of war and believed that Donald is pulling a 180 thanks to Ivanka and Kushner, not with reason albeit. But from the looks of it, Kushner is just doing Donald's bidding, including going to Iraq and wearing that stupid bullet proof jacket over his suit to garner Iraqi support. We actually entertained the idea that Donald himself couldn't tell that the gas attack was an obvious false flag and that he had suddenly become Hillary Clinton. No, no, we had it all wrong.
I have had time to think about it and this is entirely Donald's choice, and not only that, he as been planning it for quite a while.
RawGod · 2017-04-09 03:13:00 · #62037
Even a sold out Trump is better than Hillary - except that his failure represents the final failure of electoral politics for those on the alt-right. From now on, it will be about ourselves alone and our communities.
Paracelsus · 2017-04-09 03:13:00 · #62038
If he fucking thinks he can get Syria's oil at a cheap cost he really hasn't been paying attention.
Bush and friends thought they could get Iraq's oil at a cheap cost too.
Bush and friends thought they could get Iraq's oil at a cheap cost too.
Sherman · 2017-04-09 03:17:00 · #62039
Interesting, but it sounds like another 4-dimensional chess theory. We shall see.
Glaucon · 2017-04-09 03:19:00 · #62040
This 4D chess seems like more and more just regular chess, and we are the one being played...
Nineteen84 · 2017-04-09 03:20:00 · #62041
TravelerKai · 2017-04-09 03:53:00 · #62042
@durangotang
If it is oil. It's actually oil related.
Let's explore this for a minute. (anyone please jump in if I miss a detail)
A long time ago, back when Bush W was running the Iraq war, but around the end of his second term, alot of talk came up about pipelines for the Iraqi oil was an issue or a problem (strategically).
They needed an crude pipeline that was secure to the sea so that it can get to market. Part of this was for Iraq paying back the debt of the war and part of it is to profit American/Western oil companies. We can talk about the profits going to the Iraqis being divided up between North and South, but let's table that for a minute.
Exxon is/was helping with upstream (the process of pulling up crude) in the North. A couple others were involved, but I cannot remember who right now.
A pipeline to the Persian Sea is less secure because Iran is there and as you know, their navy has been harassing US ships there for some time now.
I recall talking about this with petroleum engineers and other oil and gas folks about this, and a few guys said that if Syria was not a problem, pipelines going through Iraq through Syria to the Mediterranean Sea would be the best route. Problem was back then around 2007-2009, there was no Arab Spring and no Syrian Civil War. No reason at all to actually start a war there basically.
It was K Street gossip for a long time about how the conservatives (neocons) wanted a pipeline for all the Iraqi oil. Their reserves are huge. Would last a very, very long time.
Thing about oil, is not just securing reserves, but you need good logistics too. Gotta be able to move the oil, not just pull it up out the ground. You could sit on reserves until a certain price point in the market makes it worthwhile to pull up. That's not the issue. Trucks carrying the crude, pipelines, storage tanks, etc. need protection. When radical Nigerians or other West Africans bang on pipelines with sticks and machetes, the oil traders trade at higher prices. The fear is enough. A hurricane in the gulf forming? Price goes up. Why? Because now that same oil that has already been pulled up gets held in the tanks and or cannot move through the pipelines. A refinery cannot start it's processes. Downstream is now backlogged or delayed, etc.
They gotta keep the product moving. Anytime product that has already been pulled up sits, they lose money. Tanks cost in maintenance. Traders cannot move it to a customer and that fucks up their profits, etc. Some traders make money off disaster and disruption because they can sell higher, but after a while they still need that product to move. Most oil traders are millionaires. The companies they trade for make billions in quarterly cycles. You do the math.
Notice how quickly Trump got Exxon guy Tillerman pushed through?
Notice how quickly he got the Keystone XL pushed through?
Now he can get that Syria pipeline as well it seems.
For those that wonder why Obama did not push for this, it is very simple. The Oil industry does not support them, the same way the military industrial complex and other commodities do. Oil and gas is still very much Republican. Even thought there is no difference between the parties, they still have a few groups that are not on both sides as hard.
Trump in Syria is going to kill more than just 2 birds with one stone. They are gunning for lots of things and you got it right, they will get that oil as well. Of course Israel can get access to this pipeline via a branch going into their north border if they want it. Why not.
If it is oil. It's actually oil related.
Let's explore this for a minute. (anyone please jump in if I miss a detail)
A long time ago, back when Bush W was running the Iraq war, but around the end of his second term, alot of talk came up about pipelines for the Iraqi oil was an issue or a problem (strategically).
They needed an crude pipeline that was secure to the sea so that it can get to market. Part of this was for Iraq paying back the debt of the war and part of it is to profit American/Western oil companies. We can talk about the profits going to the Iraqis being divided up between North and South, but let's table that for a minute.
Exxon is/was helping with upstream (the process of pulling up crude) in the North. A couple others were involved, but I cannot remember who right now.
A pipeline to the Persian Sea is less secure because Iran is there and as you know, their navy has been harassing US ships there for some time now.
I recall talking about this with petroleum engineers and other oil and gas folks about this, and a few guys said that if Syria was not a problem, pipelines going through Iraq through Syria to the Mediterranean Sea would be the best route. Problem was back then around 2007-2009, there was no Arab Spring and no Syrian Civil War. No reason at all to actually start a war there basically.
It was K Street gossip for a long time about how the conservatives (neocons) wanted a pipeline for all the Iraqi oil. Their reserves are huge. Would last a very, very long time.
Thing about oil, is not just securing reserves, but you need good logistics too. Gotta be able to move the oil, not just pull it up out the ground. You could sit on reserves until a certain price point in the market makes it worthwhile to pull up. That's not the issue. Trucks carrying the crude, pipelines, storage tanks, etc. need protection. When radical Nigerians or other West Africans bang on pipelines with sticks and machetes, the oil traders trade at higher prices. The fear is enough. A hurricane in the gulf forming? Price goes up. Why? Because now that same oil that has already been pulled up gets held in the tanks and or cannot move through the pipelines. A refinery cannot start it's processes. Downstream is now backlogged or delayed, etc.
They gotta keep the product moving. Anytime product that has already been pulled up sits, they lose money. Tanks cost in maintenance. Traders cannot move it to a customer and that fucks up their profits, etc. Some traders make money off disaster and disruption because they can sell higher, but after a while they still need that product to move. Most oil traders are millionaires. The companies they trade for make billions in quarterly cycles. You do the math.
Notice how quickly Trump got Exxon guy Tillerman pushed through?
Notice how quickly he got the Keystone XL pushed through?
Now he can get that Syria pipeline as well it seems.
For those that wonder why Obama did not push for this, it is very simple. The Oil industry does not support them, the same way the military industrial complex and other commodities do. Oil and gas is still very much Republican. Even thought there is no difference between the parties, they still have a few groups that are not on both sides as hard.
Trump in Syria is going to kill more than just 2 birds with one stone. They are gunning for lots of things and you got it right, they will get that oil as well. Of course Israel can get access to this pipeline via a branch going into their north border if they want it. Why not.
durangotang · 2017-04-09 03:55:00 · #62043
TravelerKai · 2017-04-09 03:58:00 · #62044
(04-09-2017 03:13 AM)Paracelsus Wrote: If he fucking thinks he can get Syria's oil at a cheap cost he really hasn't been paying attention.
Bush and friends thought they could get Iraq's oil at a cheap cost too.
It's a long term investment. No profit was going to happen in even 10 years. It's mostly about securing future oil reserves for the future.
Cheap and easy to pull oil is much more valuable than harder to extract stuff like oil sands in Canada. When a barrel drops too low Canadian oil guys get laid off. Cheap stuff under desert sand can keep on pumping.
Oil companies like having portfolios of easy and hard supplies. It makes their earnings more stable for the long term.
Very, very little of what oil companies do is short term, with the exception of stuff that is sensitive to barrel prices. Some projects are so expensive it takes over 5 years for a profit to even come in.
TravelerKai · 2017-04-09 04:02:00 · #62045
(04-09-2017 03:55 AM)durangotang Wrote:(04-09-2017 03:13 AM)Paracelsus Wrote: If he fucking thinks he can get Syria's oil at a cheap cost he really hasn't been paying attention.
Bush and friends thought they could get Iraq's oil at a cheap cost too.
Bush and friends weren't after the oil, other than to make sure it is sold in dollars. They were globalist cucks with ulterior motives...
That's correct as well. They wanted to make sure it stayed in dollars, in terms of the trade currency. Without getting into tons of details, the dollar is the preferred currency for oil trade. Traders don't like the Euro as much (look at the UK to see why). It isn't as safe as a dollar. Dollars also create alot of little micro-transactions and trade control that normally would not happen.
Traders in Houston, aren't the only ones getting rich off that. Lots of NYC action thrives off this on Wall Street.
durangotang · 2017-04-09 04:09:00 · #62046
(04-09-2017 04:02 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:(04-09-2017 03:55 AM)durangotang Wrote:(04-09-2017 03:13 AM)Paracelsus Wrote: If he fucking thinks he can get Syria's oil at a cheap cost he really hasn't been paying attention.
Bush and friends thought they could get Iraq's oil at a cheap cost too.
Bush and friends weren't after the oil, other than to make sure it is sold in dollars. They were globalist cucks with ulterior motives...
That's correct as well. They wanted to make sure it stayed in dollars, in terms of the trade currency. Without getting into tons of details, the dollar is the preferred currency for oil trade. Traders don't like the Euro as much (look at the UK to see why). It isn't as safe as a dollar. Dollars also create alot of little micro-transactions and trade control that normally would not happen.
Traders in Houston, aren't the only ones getting rich off that. Lots of NYC action thrives off this on Wall Street.
Yeah, I wanted to simplify the statement. For Bush, who is a globalist cuck, I think it was more about keeping the petrodollar system alive and fulfilling a wider foreign policy agenda. Allegedly Sadam had wanted to leave the petrodollar and I think he even sold oil in Euros for a bit before the war. I am sure that didn't help Iraq's fate.
Leonard D Neubache · 2017-04-09 04:11:00 · #62047
Venezuela can count themselves among the winners of this clusterfuck.
When oil skyrockets it might just pull them back from the brink.
On a personal note, if this bullshit doesn't turn itself around post-haste then my involvement in the future of politics will be resigned to hobbies that involve terms like long-distance-cold-bore and engage-from-concealed-carry.
When oil skyrockets it might just pull them back from the brink.
On a personal note, if this bullshit doesn't turn itself around post-haste then my involvement in the future of politics will be resigned to hobbies that involve terms like long-distance-cold-bore and engage-from-concealed-carry.
CynicalContrarian · 2017-04-09 04:13:00 · #62048
(04-09-2017 02:32 AM)Samseau Wrote: ...The question remains: How much influence do (((they))) have over Russia? Zelscorpian says Russia is in (((their))) control, but if that is the case why did Russia invade Crimea? Why start a civil war in Ukraine? Why send troops to Syria to kill ISIS? If Russia remains independent, would they be willing to start a nuclear war over Syria?...
Division across the board & up & down the line.
Socially.
Culturally.
Politically.
& at the geopolitical level.
Hell. Even the spiritual level.
Divide & conquer is the name of the game for the entire human race.
Even if the supposed division is merely elaborate theater.
durangotang · 2017-04-09 04:46:00 · #62049
Some additional thoughts before I go to bed:
Perhaps General Flynn was not on board with Donald's plan and that's why he left. As I mentioned, Donald has been planning this from day one.
It makes even more sense why Donald has not yet met with Putin; he wanted to keep sanctions, the Ukrainian war, and Crimea as leverage to negotiate for this war.
I sure hope that gas attack involved crisis actors. No wonder why it didn't resemble a Sarin gas attack, like Michael Savage broke down on his show.
Perhaps General Flynn was not on board with Donald's plan and that's why he left. As I mentioned, Donald has been planning this from day one.
It makes even more sense why Donald has not yet met with Putin; he wanted to keep sanctions, the Ukrainian war, and Crimea as leverage to negotiate for this war.
I sure hope that gas attack involved crisis actors. No wonder why it didn't resemble a Sarin gas attack, like Michael Savage broke down on his show.
Handsome Creepy Eel · 2017-04-09 04:53:00 · #62050
Leonard D Neubache · 2017-04-09 21:28:00 · #62201
Meanwhile...
The second and third order effects of this apparent betrayal are starting to filter their way into my thought processes, the most stark of which is that if Trump has truly been flipped and not only fails to deliver on his promises but actively delivers the opposite then, and I don't say this lightly, elections in America will lose their last shred of legitimacy.
The effort and resolve that went into electing what Americans perceived to be an outsider who would #draintheswamp will never be replicated. I suspect the globalist pick for the DNC nomination in 2020 will deliberately be a fallguy for a Trump win because if Trump has been flipped then they'll want a full 8 years to fuck America while the Republican reactionaries have their hands tied because "it's their guy in the Whitehouse". Honestly, if Trump fucked them then who could they possibly vote for in future that they could hope might come through for them? Jeb 2024? Cruz 2024? Try to imagine the crushing apathy.
Bookmark this post so you can call me an idiot in 3 years and again in 7. I'll be glad to be wrong. But if Trump has gone native in DC then the next 7 years will be spent sharpening hatchets, and zero fucks will be given about the field the (((Republican powerbrokers))) trot out in 2024. By that stage there will be a serious number of Americans planning to ditch the ballot box for the cartridge box.
The second and third order effects of this apparent betrayal are starting to filter their way into my thought processes, the most stark of which is that if Trump has truly been flipped and not only fails to deliver on his promises but actively delivers the opposite then, and I don't say this lightly, elections in America will lose their last shred of legitimacy.
The effort and resolve that went into electing what Americans perceived to be an outsider who would #draintheswamp will never be replicated. I suspect the globalist pick for the DNC nomination in 2020 will deliberately be a fallguy for a Trump win because if Trump has been flipped then they'll want a full 8 years to fuck America while the Republican reactionaries have their hands tied because "it's their guy in the Whitehouse". Honestly, if Trump fucked them then who could they possibly vote for in future that they could hope might come through for them? Jeb 2024? Cruz 2024? Try to imagine the crushing apathy.
Bookmark this post so you can call me an idiot in 3 years and again in 7. I'll be glad to be wrong. But if Trump has gone native in DC then the next 7 years will be spent sharpening hatchets, and zero fucks will be given about the field the (((Republican powerbrokers))) trot out in 2024. By that stage there will be a serious number of Americans planning to ditch the ballot box for the cartridge box.
Gmac · 2017-04-09 21:47:00 · #62202
(04-09-2017 08:18 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:(04-09-2017 08:13 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:Quote: Wonderful sarcasm. Now explain how it's in America's interests to fuck around in Syria.
I don't agree that we're fucking around without a plan.
Let's try this again just to make sure you're not being wilfully deceptive. I'll make it as plain as possible.
Trump was elected by the people of America.
Explain how military intervention in Syria benefits the people of America.
*Knock out ISIS then work with other world powers to stabilize the region (we're already entrenched in Syria and have been there)
*Setup safe zones to stop migration; send refugees currently in America and abroad back to MidEast
*Re-legitimize US as #1 World Power
*Petrol $
Still complicated. Do the benefits outweight the costs/risks? Not for me to say... Clearly there is a plan, but it won't be shared with us.
Valentine · 2017-04-09 21:56:00 · #62203
Trump got me like
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Reflecting back on his path though, I realise I have willfully ignored a number of red flags which clashed with his "anti-war" stance:
- Wanting to increase military spending
- Not wanting to reduce the surveillance state
- Strongly supporting Israel and having many connections to highly influential Zionists
- Strong support from law enforcement and military
- Saying we should have taken the oil in Iraq
- Pushing for the Keystone XL pipeline as one of his first moves
- Removal of Flynn and replacement with McMaster
In hindsight it all seems like an obvious sequence of events that would lead where we are today, and certainly point to where we'll be tomorrow as well.
I can certainly see the reasoning for his actions, and hey if I was in the same position I might have done it myself.
Israel needs all the protection it can get, after all they're Our Greatest Ally™ and we should help eliminate any threats to them.
We've got a strong military, so we should use it. Every country utilises their strengths. Ours just happens to be that we're good at making up excuses to overthrow governments in the Middle East.
That's one way to hamper the threat of Russia, and soon not only will we have Our Best Friend™ ruling the region and installing nukes nearby but we'll also get a sweet supply of that good oil coming through. Now that's what you call the art of the deal.
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This strike in combination with his lacklustre progress on domestic policy (in particular immigration) as well as being absolutely surrounded by necons in DC doesn't make me optimistic for the future. The foundation has already been set.
I really hope that this is just the most cynical period I and this thread will go through but I'm preparing for the worst. Give up all hope of a happy ending, the globalist train of destruction to World War 3 is going to keep chugging along.
If I'm later pleasantly surprised I'll take it all back but Trump will have to actually start delivering on his major campaign promises for me to put my faith in him this time. Until then he's just like every other politician - overpromising and underdelivering.
Reflecting back on his path though, I realise I have willfully ignored a number of red flags which clashed with his "anti-war" stance:
- Wanting to increase military spending
- Not wanting to reduce the surveillance state
- Strongly supporting Israel and having many connections to highly influential Zionists
- Strong support from law enforcement and military
- Saying we should have taken the oil in Iraq
- Pushing for the Keystone XL pipeline as one of his first moves
- Removal of Flynn and replacement with McMaster
In hindsight it all seems like an obvious sequence of events that would lead where we are today, and certainly point to where we'll be tomorrow as well.
I can certainly see the reasoning for his actions, and hey if I was in the same position I might have done it myself.
Israel needs all the protection it can get, after all they're Our Greatest Ally™ and we should help eliminate any threats to them.
We've got a strong military, so we should use it. Every country utilises their strengths. Ours just happens to be that we're good at making up excuses to overthrow governments in the Middle East.
That's one way to hamper the threat of Russia, and soon not only will we have Our Best Friend™ ruling the region and installing nukes nearby but we'll also get a sweet supply of that good oil coming through. Now that's what you call the art of the deal.
---
This strike in combination with his lacklustre progress on domestic policy (in particular immigration) as well as being absolutely surrounded by necons in DC doesn't make me optimistic for the future. The foundation has already been set.
I really hope that this is just the most cynical period I and this thread will go through but I'm preparing for the worst. Give up all hope of a happy ending, the globalist train of destruction to World War 3 is going to keep chugging along.
If I'm later pleasantly surprised I'll take it all back but Trump will have to actually start delivering on his major campaign promises for me to put my faith in him this time. Until then he's just like every other politician - overpromising and underdelivering.
Sherman · 2017-04-09 21:59:00 · #62204
You can say goodbye to all your domestic programs. Do you really think there is going to be a wall? Or a replacement for Obamacare? Ha! The most important thing now is getting Assad of out power. Wink Wink Nudge Nudge. Who has promised us no intervention in the Middle East before? How about George Bush. O wait. How about Obama. And do you remember who else was taken out for chemical weapons? How about Saddam. O wait. Scratch that. Saddam didn't have chemical weapons. That was just another Zionist lie. We won't fall for that again. And there are connections- now that US has reasserted its identity as a World Empire, we will now have millions of refugees. After all, you freely assumed the responsibility. Personally, I am more libertarian - you stay out of my backyard and I will stay out of your backyard. But if you fuck with my backyard, you may find that I have set up a tent in your backyard. Got it?