"The Americans" is currently the best show on TV

(06-29-2016 04:44 PM)eradicator Wrote:  I can't hate it because it is still the best show on tv.

(06-27-2016 02:53 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(06-27-2016 02:51 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  Why did he jump out the window? I didn't pay enough attention to his storyline to see what was going on there.

My only guess is that, unlike Margaery, he completely bought in to the religious conversion - and he adored Margaery.

After seeing the religious order and his wife die, he flipped. Maybe he finally realized who his mother is.

He figured out who his mother was...and also that he would be the one that had to execute her for her crimes.

(06-27-2016 02:05 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  I was glad to see Tommen go. The weakness of his character was so bad, it had me wishing for his brother to return. The actor also looks like he has a malformed head. Although his chin isn't recessed, it's not pronounced either, and his head looks like a volleyball. His bloodline clearly didn't receive the much needed infusion of American DNA during WW2.

Sometimes a bad king is better than a weak king.

(07-02-2016 02:37 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

No I don't think Jaqen is Syrio. Here is why: I am convinced that Jaqen was hired by Varys to help Ned Stark escape. The Bravosi ship that Arya takes was actually meant for Ned. Jaqen was in the black cells and meets Arya while he is in a cage being transported to the Wall. Having someone as overpowered as Jaqen in a cage only happens unless he *wants* to be in the cage or more likely is being paid to be there.

I know everyone says, "But we never see Syrio die in either the books or the show!" In the books, it is in Arya's viewpoint, and she does not stick around to watch Syrio fight Meryn Trent because Syrio says "RUN get out of here Arya!" It is also confirmed by GRRM that Syrio is very much dead, and he says he made it really clear that Syrio was killed by Meryn Trent in the book.

In the show, he does something similar, but we actually hear him die as soon as Arya leaves the room(watch the episode again, it's a good one).

(06-27-2016 12:51 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Great opening sequence in King's Landing. My only gripe with it is that Cersei put together this master plan, only to then completely ruin it by not taking any precautions against her known-EMO son taking a dive. You'd think she should know his weak personality and consider that seeing wifey killed and half his capitol blown up right in front of his face might put him over the edge. Instead, she just let him be alone in front of a hole in the wall of a tall building. Makes no sense.

Lancel Lannister being a useless cunt as usual. In the time he took to take in the scenery every few moments, he could have put out those candles.

The banishment of the Red Woman is also a head scratcher. John Snow asked her for last words, and she quite cogently stated the case that she will be useful in the battle against the White Walkers. Her speech was not based on repentance or apology, but on sound logical reasoning. So what does John Snow do? He does the exact opposite of logic. He doesn't punish her, but he sends her away where she can be of no use.

I think she sensed that this might happen but she doesn´t give a fuck anymore. She thinks there is no way to avoid the prophecy from getting real. She can just enjoy the ride now until Jamie kills her off.

A running theme is that she is a terrible mother, which is why Joffrey turned out the way he was. This is completely in line with her character.

Cersei didn't think of her EMO-son because Cersei is just dumb like that. The same way she didn't factor the serious effect Margery imprisonment will have on Tommen or how the faith militant will turn on her. She doesn't really think things through.

I am pretty sure that the Maester Qyburn was the one who came up with the idea of the wildfire. He is the brain behind Cersei.

Cersei could have the Mountain intimidate Tommen to write an urgent note, carried by a messenger, to the Margery and his father, to get out of there before the place blows; but Cersei is just petty and dumb overall.

(07-04-2016 09:34 AM)freeuser Wrote:  

(06-27-2016 12:51 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Great opening sequence in King's Landing. My only gripe with it is that Cersei put together this master plan, only to then completely ruin it by not taking any precautions against her known-EMO son taking a dive. You'd think she should know his weak personality and consider that seeing wifey killed and half his capitol blown up right in front of his face might put him over the edge. Instead, she just let him be alone in front of a hole in the wall of a tall building. Makes no sense.

Lancel Lannister being a useless cunt as usual. In the time he took to take in the scenery every few moments, he could have put out those candles.

The banishment of the Red Woman is also a head scratcher. John Snow asked her for last words, and she quite cogently stated the case that she will be useful in the battle against the White Walkers. Her speech was not based on repentance or apology, but on sound logical reasoning. So what does John Snow do? He does the exact opposite of logic. He doesn't punish her, but he sends her away where she can be of no use.

I think she sensed that this might happen but she doesn´t give a fuck anymore. She thinks there is no way to avoid the prophecy from getting real. She can just enjoy the ride now until Jamie kills her off.

I don't think she is dumb, but she doesn't get that her kids are not as crazy as she is.

If you don't get that Cercei wants Margery dead, along with her uncle Kevan, she felt disrespected by them so they had to die. Cercei is totally the Hillary Clinton of Westeros.

The wild fire was the Mad King's idea, that's why Jaime killed him, he planned to burn the entire city down. He must have told Cercei. Actually, Cercei told Tyrion there is wildfire all over the city back in season 2, he used some of it during the battle of Blackwater Bay. Definitely not Qyburn's idea.

If Margery imprisonment affected Tommen that much, couldn't Cersei have guessed that her death will put him in a tailspin of depression?

She never thinks anything through. Every action she ever took always have serious blowback. From trying to kill Bran Stark to Killing King Robert... it just never ends. To put it in a nutshell: she doesn't know how to tie loose ends.

How can killing the Tyrells and leaving the grandmother alive not have serious, deadly consequences? How can the rest of house lannister and relatives, siblings of other noble houses killed in that explosion, not seriously want her dead for killing their siblings and relatives?

She is the one that gave the faith militant power, now she killed friends and allies just to get rid of them? Seriously dumb move. I have a hard time remembering any actions by Cersei, that doesn't increase the number of her enemies.

The Lannister mines are out of gold, they own the Iron Bank loads of money; The Tyrells are basically feeding them in King's Landing. The Tyrells are negotiating with the Iron Bank on their behalf. This dumb cunt Cersei then kill off the Tyrells, leaving the clever, cunning, vengeful grandmother alive. Talk about biting the hands that feed you.

Talk about unnecessarily increasing the number of enemies. Turning allies into foes. She is like Robb stark without the military genius. I cannot imagine Tywin or Tyrion pulling the same dumb move.

Cersei definitely know about the wildfire, my point is that, she lacks the imagination to come up with the idea of blowing up that place. That is probably Qyburn's idea.

(07-04-2016 10:58 AM)eradicator Wrote:  I don't think she is dumb, but she doesn't get that her kids are not as crazy as she is.

If you don't get that Cercei wants Margery dead, along with her uncle Kevan, she felt disrespected by them so they had to die. Cercei is totally the Hillary Clinton of Westeros.

The wild fire was the Mad King's idea, that's why Jaime killed him, he planned to burn the entire city down. He must have told Cercei. Actually, Cercei told Tyrion there is wildfire all over the city back in season 2, he used some of it during the battle of Blackwater Bay. Definitely not Qyburn's idea.

Cercei is a fantastic character. In fact, IMO she is the best written character in the show. Lena Headey is a talented actress who understands her role. Cercei perfectly fills the profile described in Arthur Schopenhauer's essay On Women. In a time of a decade+ long war, strong men will die and their powerful wives will be left to make a mess of everything with their emotion-driven decisions.

Cercei considers only the present. Her decision making process does not factor past experiences, history or advice. She does not consider any long time strategy or what the fallout of her decisions will be. She cares only of the fleeting emotional responses from revenge, attention, flattery, etc that are generated in the present.

From On Women:

Quote:The nobler and more perfect a thing is, the later and slower is it in reaching maturity. Man reaches the maturity of his reasoning and mental faculties scarcely before he is eight-and-twenty; woman when she is eighteen; but hers is reason of very narrow limitations. This is why women remain children all their lives, for they always see only what is near at hand, cling to the present, take the appearance of a thing for reality, and prefer trifling matters to the most important. It is by virtue of man’s reasoning powers that he does not live in the present only, like the brute, but observes and ponders over the past and future; and from this spring discretion, care, and that anxiety which we so frequently notice in people. The advantages, as well as the disadvantages, that this entails, make woman, in consequence of her weaker reasoning powers, less of a partaker in them. Moreover, she is intellectually short-sighted, for although her intuitive understanding quickly perceives what is near to her, on the other hand her circle of vision is limited and does not embrace anything that is remote; hence everything that is absent or past, or in the future, affects women in a less degree than men. This is why they have greater inclination for extravagance, which sometimes borders on madness. Women in their hearts think that men are intended to earn money so that they may spend it, if possible during their husband’s lifetime, but at any rate after his death.

Exactly. She is too dumb to think anything through and consider all the consequences or loose ends.

(07-04-2016 11:40 AM)RIslander Wrote:  Cercei is a fantastic character. In fact, IMO she is the best written character in the show. Lena Headey is a talented actress who understands her role. Cercei perfectly fills the role described in Arthur Schopenhauer's essay On Women. In a time of a decade+ long war, strong men will die and their powerful wives will be left to make a mess of everything with their emotion-driven decisions.

Cercei considers only the present. Her decision making process does not factor past experiences, history or advice. She does not consider any long time strategy or what the fallout of her decisions will be. She cares only of the fleeting emotional responses from revenge, attention, flattery, etc that are generated in the present.

From On Women:

Quote:The nobler and more perfect a thing is, the later and slower is it in reaching maturity. Man reaches the maturity of his reasoning and mental faculties scarcely before he is eight-and-twenty; woman when she is eighteen; but hers is reason of very narrow limitations. This is why women remain children all their lives, for they always see only what is near at hand, cling to the present, take the appearance of a thing for reality, and prefer trifling matters to the most important. It is by virtue of man’s reasoning powers that he does not live in the present only, like the brute, but observes and ponders over the past and future; and from this spring discretion, care, and that anxiety which we so frequently notice in people. The advantages, as well as the disadvantages, that this entails, make woman, in consequence of her weaker reasoning powers, less of a partaker in them. Moreover, she is intellectually short-sighted, for although her intuitive understanding quickly perceives what is near to her, on the other hand her circle of vision is limited and does not embrace anything that is remote; hence everything that is absent or past, or in the future, affects women in a less degree than men. This is why they have greater inclination for extravagance, which sometimes borders on madness. Women in their hearts think that men are intended to earn money so that they may spend it, if possible during their husband’s lifetime, but at any rate after his death.

(07-04-2016 11:18 AM)Herr Lucifer Wrote:  If Margery imprisonment affected Tommen that much, couldn't Cersei have guessed that her death will put him in a tailspin of depression?

I don't think Tommen killed himself out of depression so much that he knew what his mother did, and the only way he could not sentence her to death would be to kill himself. Suicide is the cowards way out, and ultimately, Tommen was extremely weak and could not kill his own mother, even if she totally deserved it.

Quote:How can killing the Tyrells and leaving the grandmother alive not have serious, deadly consequences? How can the rest of house lannister and relatives, siblings of other noble houses killed in that explosion, not seriously want her dead for killing their siblings and relatives?

Indeed. But not only that, blowing up the sept of Baelor is like blowing up the Vatican. It would likely be enough to get the peasants to revolt, they showed a little bit on the show how much the peasants loved the faith, it is like that all over the country.

I expect Cercei to have a brief reign.

Tommen killed himself so that the show's producers could shock the viewers.

The High Sparrow seemed genuinely perplexed at Margaery's not sleeping with Tommen. It was obvious to everyone else why she suddenly closed off access to her High Lady Garden. No doubt she heard of his utter retreat in the face of the Sparrows. The boy was such a wretched specimen that he must have caused her ovaries to shrink into the size of microns.

If the Sparrows stood between me and Natalie Dormer's mound at the steps of Baelor's Keep and I had an army at my back, I would have reacted in the only rational way possible: drown the bastards in their own blood.

Plot wise, it makes it even easier to transition the throne over to Dany. Cercei is hated by all at this point, even more than the Mad King Aegon.

I half expect her to be assassinated by someone right before Dany arrives to avoid a battle completely, much the way the mad king was(maybe by Qyburn or Jaime).

But I've been thinking, if you were trying to kill the Mountain, how exactly would you go about it? It would seem like a mistake to try to match his brute strength in a straight up fight(unless you were someone with just as impressive fighting skills like Khal Drogo, Ser Arthur Dayne, John Snow, Big Brienne, Oberyn Martell, The Hound, a 2 handed Jaime), if you are say, Jaqen or Arya, they should try to lure the mountain into a trap pit and dump acid on him, or burn him with some sort of fire attack like wild fire from a distance. That is Arya's best bet I would think. If she truly is some sort of master assassin now, she should have access to poisons, fire attacks and whatnot.

Just finished watching season 6 but as awesome as it was i cant help but flick the switch off in my brain that cant help but compare the state of things in the world of GOT to reality.

Afterall I believe entertainment is sometimes the best reflection of where we are currently and where we are going.

Did it bother anyone that there was a sudden uptick of female leaders? I havent counted but it seemed like more than half of all houses by the end of this series were led by women. Similar to present day politics where there seem to be more and more women taking the head of political parties. Coincedence?

Edit: Read a page back i see others have brought this up too, nonetheless just another +1 to all that was said before.

After all the goings on in episode 10, who gets custody of Ser Pounce?

(07-04-2016 06:17 PM)eradicator Wrote:  I've been thinking, if you were trying to kill the Mountain, how exactly would you go about it?

Easy. Make him sit through one of Hillary's stump speeches. He'll cut his own throat. Problem solved.

(07-04-2016 07:25 PM)Tigre Wrote:  After all the goings on in episode 10, who gets custody of Ser Pounce?

It is his time to rise!

(07-04-2016 09:13 PM)trian1 Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 07:25 PM)Tigre Wrote:  After all the goings on in episode 10, who gets custody of Ser Pounce?

It is his time to rise!

He'll probably just go back to the red keep with the other stray cats. I made it a minute or so through the video. Pounce is certainly not the prince who was promised, at least on the show.

Remember Jaime's speech a few episodes ago where he tells her "fuck prophecy"? It's highly possible that prophecy really isn't that important in the game of thrones.

In the books, it is totally possible that something like this could go down, especially if it were one of the Starks' cats. Bran or Arya could warg into a cat or some other animal in order to stop the white walkers.

Bran and rattleshirt are the only wargs in the show so far, so I doubt much will come of anything as far as cats in king's landing stopping the white walkers.

In the books, something like that is totally possible though. Mormont has a talking raven for instance, and it is almost certainly bloodraven. At one point the raven says, "King Jon Snow" before the Night's Watch election.

If it turned out that Bran or Bloodraven was constantly warging into Ser Pounce, then maybe you might be onto something here, but from what I can tell, that isn't the case even in the books. In the show, we only have a few episodes left before it is all done(maybe a dozen?) and introducing the idea of supercats just isn't realistic at this stage.

(07-02-2016 02:37 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

Back when the show was really good...





This was one of the better sword fights in the series, but really a few things bothered me about it. After Syrio took out half a dozen of the Lannister guards, and had his wooden practice sword chopped into a splinter, he could have picked up one of the guards swords instead of trying to fight on with a broken wooden sword. Or fight with hand to hand combat, got Meryn Trent on the ground and then ground and pound. He is too quick to be beaten in a straight up fight, he could have used his quickness more.

I like that the swordfight shows that he was totally going easy on Arya all along and not really giving his full effort, as we see him fight the guards.

If Syrio=Jaqen, he would have to get back to his cage in the black cells, and then meet up with Arya later.





At any rate, I'm annoyed that we have to wait 10 more months for another episode of Game of Thrones.

I'm open to hearing people's theories about Jaqen Hag'r. I've heard people try to say that he is the many faced god, that he is Syrio, he is Euron, etc.

It would make sense that he is the many faced god, or he may just be the equivalent of a green beret faceless man assassin.

Have we seen the last of him? Perhaps. But maybe the iron bank will hire him to kill Lannisters or whatnot. They loaned a fortune to Stannis to fight the Lannisters, and it didn't work out.

Qyburn will use the Mountain to kill Cersei at an appropriate moment. The Mountain serves Qyburn, not Cersei. Then Dany and co will land in Westeros with the army of Dorne, and the scene is set for a revenge killing of the Mountain by the Sand Snakes, and whats-her-name will stand over him gloating.

Jaquen H'Gar is no one so there's no point speculating.

(07-05-2016 01:45 AM)eradicator Wrote:  This was one of the better sword fights in the series, but really a few things bothered me about it. After Syrio took out half a dozen of the Lannister guards, and had his wooden practice sword chopped into a splinter, he could have picked up one of the guards swords instead of trying to fight on with a broken wooden sword. Or fight with hand to hand combat, got Meryn Trent on the ground and then ground and pound. He is too quick to be beaten in a straight up fight, he could have used his quickness more.

I like that the swordfight shows that he was totally going easy on Arya all along and not really giving his full effort, as we see him fight the guards.

I also didn't think that made much sense. Syrio was supposed to be a real Braavosi master swordsman. The running joke was that Meryn Trant the kingsguard who supposedly killed Syrio was a scrub and not really a competent fighter to begin with. The hound even made a comment about that.

Near the end of season 5 you even saw a Braavosi swordsman completely tool Jorah Mormont in the gladiator pit too. Jorah didn't die because the other gladiator ran a spear in his opponent's back while he was about to be killed.

Meryn Trant had full armor, like trying to fight a tank with a toothpick. But again, Syrio is much faster, could have picked up one of the swords from the fallen soldiers instead of trying to use a broken practice sword.