Let's not forget the REAL hero of the story - the man who takes no shit and is the closest thing to a positive male role model, in the show and in real life:

Does he lift? Yes he does!!!

(05-22-2019 01:24 PM)semibaron Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 09:17 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 03:03 AM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

So the takeaway here is that they want to suppress the speech of someone differently-abled in order to elevate able-normative cis-gendered white women?

Literally shaking right now.

Crazy that Lord Varys didn't have more lines.

Well, that's the power of good acting - he manages to be very memorable without blabbering on and on.

(05-22-2019 04:14 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Yet another proof that our main problem is that we have it too good. A healthy society would have actual stuff to do and no time or money to waste on complete bullshit like this.

Actually fiction, stories of heros - they were part of all advanced cultures. The greeks were conquering the world and still were listening to stories of near-immortal warriors and beautiful princesses.

A healthy society encompasses all aspects, but I still think that a healthy society has most of the fiction inspirational.

A good example is the Manga vs Comics sales in the US - for the first time in history manga is more successful than comics by far. And most of it is created in Japan - reason is because they still have real heroes available who fight for justice. I repeat - a culture that is all nihilistic and their fiction is mostly decunstrictivist while the constructive one was made up until the 1990s - that culture is not going to survive.

The Mountain - the rapist and slaughterer of babies is no role model in the show. The show destroyed all role models or made them out to be ridiculous and even less realistic than a fire-breathing dragon.

If you want to see inspiring fiction, then you need to look East or even to Eastern Europe - they are still free enough and not beset by (((anti-Western creators))) or propaganda-driven underlings.





And until the West shakes off the self-hating, then this crap will continue until the total collapse. The ending of this show is just symptomatic of this very development.
Ultimately that is why it feels so empty - even to the feminists. I would even say that the SJW women would be fine with Aegon Targaeryan climbing on the dragon and burning half the Unsullied. They would have screamed publicly and then flicked their bean to pics of the actor afterwards. Especially if he had done this shirtless as the dragon had burned most of his clothes away.

But this ending - all the stupid happy-go-lucky fan-service in the end was not enough, because the fundamental principles are broken just as the core audience in the US shuns Marvel comics while buying the shit out of Japanese manga - all while the manga is patriarchal, male-dominated, hetero-normative with sexy women and brave and powerful male heroes. There is even room for a few decunstrictivist heroes, but they exist wihin a sea of positive ones.

Re: female characters speaking: if they'd made it more realistic then the women would say 80% of the lines but they'd all still be stuck in their original settings because it would be "OMG I heard that Cersei is a total slut!" "OMG Becky I swear Dany has put on 5lbs since Drogo died", and Jorah Mormont would have been locked up by Dany in Season 1 for 'stare-rape' while "creepy, eww as if!".

But yeah, what a shit-show. The whole thing struck me as when I used to procrastinate about essays and reports back at university, leave it until the 11th hour and then realise "Shit, I've got too way much to do", followed by a quick fudge despite knowing that the work was shit, but at least it was done and tomorrow's another day.

I didn't get paid millions of dollars to do it, mind. It was viewed as a Bad Thing to be avoided...not a career choice.

(05-22-2019 04:39 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Actually fiction, stories of heros - they were part of all advanced cultures. The greeks were conquering the world and still were listening to stories of near-immortal warriors and beautiful princesses.

There's nothing wrong with heroic stories and mythology.

But the problem right now is our culture is being saturated with fantasy and superhero crap, driving a large segment of the population into a child-like stupor. I don't really care if they are "Red Pill" or not. These stories have their place, but they are very simplistic and highly predictable. There isn't much life philosophy to be gained from a Marvel or Batman movie.

One thing I'm doing to wean myself off this nonsense is going back to classical literature and foreign films, which are both highly inspiring.

(05-22-2019 04:39 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  If you want to see inspiring fiction, then you need to look East or even to Eastern Europe - they are still free enough and not beset by (((anti-Western creators))) or propaganda-driven underlings.

Or we could just look at our own traditions of inspiring fiction like Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Jack London, Charles Dickens, and so on. For some reason, those authors were able to transmit life-affirming messages without resorting to stories about men dressed in capes flying around and destroying cities.

Why won't this thread die?

If I type a post with a Valyrian Steel keyboard, will that destroy this undead thread?

If you change your username to "Arya", I promise to never post in this thread again

(05-22-2019 12:40 PM)Elmore Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 11:08 AM)RWIsrael Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 10:33 AM)Enoch Wrote:  Peter Dinklage is by far the best and most distinguished actor on that show.

Used to be, until about season 4.

Charles Dance also had a very prominent presence. I'll miss Tywin.

The show died with Tywin IMHO.

Watch this and marvel at the vast chasm of quality between it and the later episodes...

Man that was a good watch. Tywin Lannister was easily my favorite character. If you've read the books, you'll see that Charles Dance portrayed that character perfectly. Superb.

Also in that video there's lots of scenes between Tywin and Tyrion. Just seeing that makes you realize how much Tyrion's character has gone to shit these last few seasons. It's like night and day.

(05-22-2019 08:22 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  If you change your username to "Arya", I promise to never post in this thread again

Haha. Got me good.

(05-22-2019 07:19 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 04:39 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  If you want to see inspiring fiction, then you need to look East or even to Eastern Europe - they are still free enough and not beset by (((anti-Western creators))) or propaganda-driven underlings.

Or we could just look at our own traditions of inspiring fiction like Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Jack London, Charles Dickens, and so on. For some reason, those authors were able to transmit life-affirming messages without resorting to stories about men dressed in capes flying around and destroying cities.

Part of it is based on pesonal taste. Jules Verne and Tolkien were different kind of writers than Hemingway.

Whenever I read "pure" books of literature of the 20th century it saddens me. Even when I watch a movie from the 1940s - it could be written by Charles Bukowski about the lowlifes and it's as if you read about ancient Rome as an Italian.

There is a lifetime of movies and books that were written before and you never need to touch the current propaganda crap, but this is also sad.

Think about the 3 biggest TV shows with budgets of 100 mio. $ each - Westworld, Game of Thrones and Star Trek Discovery - Westworld turned unwatchable instantly from season 1 to 2 and even the first season was already filled with anti-Western anti-human undertones that became retarded in the next season.

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But back to the topic - something that I read:

Quote:https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments...as_chosen/

It's now clear why Arya was chosen
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Arya killing the NK still stands as one of the dumbest 'surprises for surprise's sake' in the entire season, but it's clear now why it was done .... because otherwise Arya's entire character would have been pointless this season. They gave her the role because she wouldn't have had one without it. It's a lame reason, for sure, but it makes sense now.

It seems the writers flippantly tossed each character one major thing to do in the season.

Arya does absolutely nothing except kill the NK

Bran does absolutely nothing except get elected king in the end

Cersei does absolutely nothing but kill Missandei then die

Jaime does absolutely nothing but break Brienne's heart to die with Cersei

Jorah does absolutely nothing but die protecting Dany

Theon does absolutely nothing but die protecting Bran

Jon does absolutely nothing but kill Dany

Sansa does absolutely nothing but reveal Jon's identity, then made QotN

Tyrion does absolutely nothing but make the case for Bran

Only Dany seems to have been given any semblance of a character arc, and even that is reduced to 'spontaneously flipping out into a mad queen, burning KL, then dying' ....

Essentially those writers are like retards. We know that they were enamored with the actors more than with the story.

So when they decided that Cersei is going to have a wonderful and poetic end, then they could not let Arya kill her or help her do it with the Hound. Jon Snow already got the Daenerys kill reserved, so he could not kill the Night King and thus was destined to be the ineffective blob screaming uselessly at a dragon.

Those bloody stupid hacks!

(05-22-2019 04:39 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 04:14 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Yet another proof that our main problem is that we have it too good. A healthy society would have actual stuff to do and no time or money to waste on complete bullshit like this.

Actually fiction, stories of heros - they were part of all advanced cultures. The greeks were conquering the world and still were listening to stories of near-immortal warriors and beautiful princesses.

A healthy society encompasses all aspects, but I still think that a healthy society has most of the fiction inspirational.

A good example is the Manga vs Comics sales in the US - for the first time in history manga is more successful than comics by far. And most of it is created in Japan - reason is because they still have real heroes available who fight for justice. I repeat - a culture that is all nihilistic and their fiction is mostly decunstrictivist while the constructive one was made up until the 1990s - that culture is not going to survive.

The Mountain - the rapist and slaughterer of babies is no role model in the show. The show destroyed all role models or made them out to be ridiculous and even less realistic than a fire-breathing dragon.

If you want to see inspiring fiction, then you need to look East or even to Eastern Europe - they are still free enough and not beset by (((anti-Western creators))) or propaganda-driven underlings.





And until the West shakes off the self-hating, then this crap will continue until the total collapse. The ending of this show is just symptomatic of this very development.
Ultimately that is why it feels so empty - even to the feminists. I would even say that the SJW women would be fine with Aegon Targaeryan climbing on the dragon and burning half the Unsullied. They would have screamed publicly and then flicked their bean to pics of the actor afterwards. Especially if he had done this shirtless as the dragon had burned most of his clothes away.

But this ending - all the stupid happy-go-lucky fan-service in the end was not enough, because the fundamental principles are broken just as the core audience in the US shuns Marvel comics while buying the shit out of Japanese manga - all while the manga is patriarchal, male-dominated, hetero-normative with sexy women and brave and powerful male heroes. There is even room for a few decunstrictivist heroes, but they exist wihin a sea of positive ones.

Not sure that The Witcher belongs on your list. While I do like the stories and the setting, it is definitely a modern deconstruction of traditional fairy tales:

- Monsters are mostly sentient and just misunderstood, some of them are just wild animals trying to survive and Geralt and the player/reader feel guilty when he has to kill them for money
- Humans are responsible for the greatest atrocities, against elves, monsters and other humans.
- There is no clear good or evil, just different sides of a story and different powerful interests competing.
- No God, no reward for good deeds / virtuous behaviour or punishment for bad deeds, sometimes the exact opposite.
- Ciri has now become an ass-kicking female witcher

Pallete cleanser to the nihilism.



Compare the ethics in Beowulf with modern productions like Game of Thrones.

Hahaaa - 2 of the 3 planned prequels are already on hold.

HBO already regrets placing so much trust in those bozos. They wanted 7 seasons because they wanted to bargain the success of the show at the height into a better gig - which they got with Star Wars.

HBO should have changed showrunners - you literally can hardly pick worse guys unless you take some feminist-SJW writers from the CW-idiocracy-series.

Don't think that this kind of fuckup where everyone - from feminists, SJWs, normies to fans to guys on the right - everyone in the majority is dissatisfied - that this remains without repercussions. Even their Star Wars crap will be scrutinized closely as it's clear by now that the success of the series before had nothing to do with those 2 morons, but rather by adapting good dialogue and stories from Martin. And Martin was a co-writer in the first 3 seasons!!!!!!!

If earlier seasons were written in the same style as later seasons. Example #1:

*Ned comes out of the brothel with Littlefinger*

*instead of Jaime and his henchmen surprising them out of nowhere to confront Ned about Tyrion's abduction, we get Joffrey walking up to both of them, alone, with the sword Lion's Tooth in his hands, reclaimed from the river in which Arya threw it*

Joffrey: "I didn't know Starks had such low IQ. Let me help you conclude this investigation, Ned. Here is the answer you're looking for... Jaime Lannister, the Kingslayer, is my REAL father. Did you really think someone as great as me could come from the same family as that fat friend of yours and his idiot fanatic brother, Stannis?"

Littlefinger: "well well well, looks like we have a fight on our hands! My bet is on the bigger guy."

*Joffrey attacks and we assume Ned will easily disarm him like Arya did*

*lo and behold, Joffrey fights like a master swordsman, a true subversion of expectations like Ramsay's 20 Good Men feat and Euron noscoping Rhaegal"

*Ned gets disarmed and is in shock*

Joffrey: "Surprised, Stark? This is the same sword your daughter threw in the river. I spared her the humiliation I just gave you, because we don't hurt little girls in Westeros under my kingship. But you know what they say in Essos? Valar morghulis. All men must die. You'll be joining her butcher boy friend who paid the iron price."

*knocks out Ned with the pommel of Lion's Tooth*

*Ned wakes up to Robert staring at him in disbelief*

*Ned tries to tell Robert the truth about his 'children' but Robert just points and laughs at the man who got humiliated by a spoiled teenager, saying that Ned is just butthurt about Joffrey utterly trouncing him*

*Ned starts to seethe with anger in his humiliation, and in his rage pulls out the Valyrian steel knife and stabs Robert in the eye, which means Ned is now a Kingslayer"

*Ned goes through a "oh my god, what have I done" psychological breakdown, he tries to hide the body but Bobby B is too heavy to move around*

*Littlefinger walks in while Ned is weeping over Bobby B's corpse. This scene is similar in nature to Brienne stumbling across Stannis slumped against a tree, and Job confronting Daenerys in the destroyed throne room*

Littlefinger: "This Robb meant so much to you, hasn't he? He means as much to you as the other Robb, your wife's son."

Ned: "My wife's son?"

Littlefinger: "and mine."

*Ned takes thirty seconds to figure it out, then starts weeping hysterically*

Littlefinger: "Funny, when I was young, I found myself in a similar situation to this. Except the roles were reversed, and it was a real man, Brandon, who I was at the mercy of...but it was I who layed with Catelyn while you were off fighting against the Khaleesi's uncle."

Ned: "FUCK!!! YOU!!!"

Littlefinger: "and do you want to know who else I've lain with?"

Ned: *seethes*







Littlefinger: "Your sister"

*executes Ned in the same way Brandon could've executed Littlefinger*

Pitch meeting:





This is amazing - the last 75 minute episode had 57 minutes without dialogue - so exactly what those Bozos waltz about as the greatest achievement.





Those fucktards thought that they were some Akira Kurosawas while Akira was a genius of his craft - plus it was made for a different audience and these were movies, not a TV series in order to wrap up the story. But yeah - plenty of time to focus on chairs being shuffled.

Heh... That's interesting. Though it would be good to know what the average dialogue to non-dialogue has been throughout. Surely not more than that episode, but still pretty high i suspect, especially in the latter seasons.