(05-08-2019 11:41 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:34 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Are there actual "accelerationists" here, beyond Samseau and his wacky plan to establish Wisconsin Whitopia? I think that's just a slur that got tossed around when people didn't want to admit Trump was dropping the ball.

I expect the collapse of the United States, if it comes, to result in horrors that make the current situation look like paradise on Earth. (For example, I'd rather have trannies doing story time at library, a common sign of degeneracy that gets tossed around, than open slave markets like they have in Libya, which might very well make a comeback in an absolute collapse situation.)

I'm certainly not rooting for it, and I don't think anybody should be.

There will be no collapse.

Just an entire generation of accelerationists who got left behind, bitter and angry that they missed the boat.

Exactly, a collapse will only come when some country has some legitimate challenge in the currency department. Nobody has that not China, not Russia, not Japan and certainly not the Euro. That's also only really the first step of a collapse.

(05-08-2019 11:41 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  There will be no collapse.

Just an entire generation of accelerationists who got left behind, bitter and angry that they missed the boat.

Literally the only "accelerationist" I have ever seen, IRL or online, is Samseau. He posted an actual accelerationist plan and seems to fully support it. Never met a single other person.
If there's an entire generation of them out there it's news to me.

(05-08-2019 11:41 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:34 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Are there actual "accelerationists" here, beyond Samseau and his wacky plan to establish Wisconsin Whitopia? I think that's just a slur that got tossed around when people didn't want to admit Trump was dropping the ball.

I expect the collapse of the United States, if it comes, to result in horrors that make the current situation look like paradise on Earth. (For example, I'd rather have trannies doing story time at library, a common sign of degeneracy that gets tossed around, than open slave markets like they have in Libya, which might very well make a comeback in an absolute collapse situation.)

I'm certainly not rooting for it, and I don't think anybody should be.

There will be no collapse.

Just an entire generation of accelerationists who got left behind, bitter and angry that they missed the boat.

Boat to what?

(05-08-2019 11:46 AM)partyfowl Wrote:  ...

Exactly, a collapse will only come when some country has some legitimate challenge in the currency department. Nobody has that not China, not Russia, not Japan and certainly not the Euro. That's also only really the first step of a collapse.

State failure doesn't require a replacement in order for it to fail. It simply has to fail.

Your analysis makes sense in the context that the elites are in complete control and will collapse economies only when it suits their purposes. Personally I believe they control the financial levers totally but they don't control the social ones which constitute the rug atop which the whole house of cards sits.

Can I just make an observation here. People keep throwing labels towards the people not entirely on the DJT train, have jumped off or are foreign.

When either of these camps start stating an opinion or fact and then get called doomers or the best yet, cucks, you do realise things are actually happening such as where the founder of this site gets demonetised and Roosh has also been subject to moves he himself admits he didn't believe would happen under a Trump presidency?

This Mastercard thing was first used to take people down on Patreon or any other crowd sourcing website and steadily grew. Now we are seeing many others follow suit. Are you taking notice of these happenings or are you just going to say its all doomer speak because we have DJT in the white house?

Look at Iran. SWIFT is being used as a weapon against them, their business partners and anyone who does deals with those business partners. Same thing, different scale no? But Iran has a lot of oil it likes to sell and it isn't too fussed who get its.

Now if Iran is having major problems what makes you think individuals and groups residing in Western Europe or the US wont have an impossible mountain to climb?

Will they start going after the donators of these groups? You cant have a professional job without a bank account and good luck in convincing an employer on the reasons why.

(05-08-2019 12:09 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:41 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:34 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Are there actual "accelerationists" here, beyond Samseau and his wacky plan to establish Wisconsin Whitopia? I think that's just a slur that got tossed around when people didn't want to admit Trump was dropping the ball.

I expect the collapse of the United States, if it comes, to result in horrors that make the current situation look like paradise on Earth. (For example, I'd rather have trannies doing story time at library, a common sign of degeneracy that gets tossed around, than open slave markets like they have in Libya, which might very well make a comeback in an absolute collapse situation.)

I'm certainly not rooting for it, and I don't think anybody should be.

There will be no collapse.

Just an entire generation of accelerationists who got left behind, bitter and angry that they missed the boat.

Boat to what?

I was wondering that too. Boat to what is a perfect question. I am old enough and from the right area to remember the good days of this country, probably the last few years of it.

Anyway, I guess the boat to working 60 hour weeks, paying 70% of your income in taxes to pay for the majority that will no longer work, and taking on 50 year mortgages so your kids can go to safe schools. That is the reality heading for what will be left of the "middle" class.

(05-08-2019 12:25 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Can I just make an observation here. People keep throwing labels towards the people not entirely on the DJT train, have jumped off or are foreign.

When either of these camps start stating an opinion or fact and then get called doomers or the best yet, cucks, you do realise things are actually happening such as where the founder of this site gets demonetised and Roosh has also been subject to moves he himself admits he didn't believe would happen under a Trump presidency?

This Mastercard thing was first used to take people down on Patreon or any other crowd sourcing website and steadily grew. Now we are seeing many others follow suit. Are you taking notice of these happenings or are you just going to say its all doomer speak because we have DJT in the white house?

Look at Iran. SWIFT is being used as a weapon against them, their business partners and anyone who does deals with those business partners. Same thing, different scale no? But Iran has a lot of oil it likes to sell and it isn't too fussed who get its.

Now if Iran is having major problems what makes you think individuals and groups residing in Western Europe or the US wont have an impossible mountain to climb?

Will they start going after the donators of these groups? You cant have a professional job without a bank account and good luck in convincing an employer on the reasons why.

The reckoning day will come, but it's not quite ready yet.

A 1st term president is more like a trial presidency, you can't rock the boat too much.

2nd term, it's no holds bar.

The gears of our government turn, very very slowly.

(05-08-2019 12:29 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  ...

The reckoning day will come, but it's not quite ready yet.
...

Source?

Jim Jordan holding Dems' feet to the fire:

Nadler is insane.

What I’d like to see is massive boycotts/strikes against Big Tech. A strike might even be better. Where people wouldn't use Facebook or Twitter or whatever for a week or a month. It would be great if someone prominent could lead the strike (Mike C?). Can you imagine millions of centipedes and free speech civil libertarians boycotting social media. That would get their attention. These apps rely on big networks, and the strike would let them know the whole house of cards could fall. If people left FB en masse, it will collapse and be like MySpace.

I don't know if ya'll have noticed the US accelerated deployment of aircraft carrier groups near Iran.

Bolton is licking his lips, Pompeo is talking about a mission from god to protect Israel.

Tons of saber ratterling in relations to Iran/Syria allegedly "credible threat" on US Forces in the region.

Ramadan Bombathon has started as well.


This just might be a hot summer after all.

(05-08-2019 03:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I don't know if ya'll have noticed the US accelerated deployment of aircraft carrier groups near Iran.

Bolton is licking his lips, Pompeo is talking about a mission from god to protect Israel.

Tons of saber ratterling in relations to Iran/Syria allegedly "credible thread" on US Forces in the region.

Ramadan Bombathon has started as well.


This just might be a hot summer after all.

Hopefully not. Trump's one thing that even leftists can't spin is the fact he hasn't started a war.

8ball did predict the forum would get divided into 2 camps: accelerationists and pro-Trump. Even 4chan is going honk pill.

(05-08-2019 11:08 AM)8ball Wrote:  Seems like the accelerationists are now outnumbering the few DT die hard supporters. Prior to 2020, the debate will shift to who will cause the most anarchy. Which candidate will hasten degeneracy, keep raising the debt, cause an economic depression, reduce America’s importance in the world. Basically who will cause a perfect shitstorm so that people will take to the streets and the country will be ripe for a new revolution to take place.

I supported President Trump through thick and thin but if we dick around with Iran I'm out. Money for wars but no money for a wall? What a joke!

(05-08-2019 03:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I don't know if ya'll have noticed the US accelerated deployment of aircraft carrier groups near Iran.

Bolton is licking his lips, Pompeo is talking about a mission from god to protect Israel.

Tons of saber ratterling in relations to Iran/Syria allegedly "credible thread" on US Forces in the region.

Ramadan Bombathon has started as well.


This just might be a hot summer after all.

(05-08-2019 11:41 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:34 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Are there actual "accelerationists" here, beyond Samseau and his wacky plan to establish Wisconsin Whitopia? I think that's just a slur that got tossed around when people didn't want to admit Trump was dropping the ball.

I expect the collapse of the United States, if it comes, to result in horrors that make the current situation look like paradise on Earth. (For example, I'd rather have trannies doing story time at library, a common sign of degeneracy that gets tossed around, than open slave markets like they have in Libya, which might very well make a comeback in an absolute collapse situation.)

I'm certainly not rooting for it, and I don't think anybody should be.

There will be no collapse.

Just an entire generation of accelerationists who got left behind, bitter and angry that they missed the boat.

Acceleracionists believe in some kind of irrational result of an ultimate collapse.

Did the UK collapse when relinquishing the supreme military and economic position from the 19th to 20th century? In a way it did, but in other measures it didn't. Sure - people were underfed and poor for a while, but they were poor and underfed in the 19th century.

You forget that the Big Boys control the monetary system and there will be enough productive people left in the US to have some moderately decent country left. It won't be Brazil for a while. Plus - even if the chaos gets too much, then they have their solution to it: population-wide enforced chipping and combat drones on every street corner - that would help get control over cartel- and diversity- controlled parts of the country. They cause the problem, then they give you the solution.

The economic system is going to become two- or three-tiered anyway - with the eternally unemployed, working poor, then an ever smaller part of the population that can be classified as true middle class and then the upper class. More violence, more poverty, short periods of more violence before they control it all again.

That is the most likely scenario out there.

Talking about defense spending and the wall together is like talking about apples and oranges. The two come from two totally different appropriation processes.

The only problem with the USA destroying Iran is that Israel can do it. Iran is not going to start shit with the USA. I read somewhere that the carrier group was slotted to go to the middle east before this recent news about Iranian missiles was published.

Fuck Iran.

Nuke Africa and the Middle East.

MAGA 2020

(05-08-2019 03:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I don't know if ya'll have noticed the US accelerated deployment of aircraft carrier groups near Iran.

Bolton is licking his lips, Pompeo is talking about a mission from god to protect Israel.

Tons of saber ratterling in relations to Iran/Syria allegedly "credible threat" on US Forces in the region.

Ramadan Bombathon has started as well.


This just might be a hot summer after all.

People are covering it up by saying these carrier deployments are planned months in advanced - and they are. But the plans for Iran are over a decade old and the sanctions to stop Iran would require ships in the area to stop trade.

Hmmmm. Maybe.

That is not how sanctions work.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/ec...ctions.asp

Also, it does not require a carrier group to enforce an embargo. Any REMF knows that.

The carrier's not there to "enforce" the embargo. It's there to look intimidating and be a "show of force", and also so that if Iran tries to do something militarily in response the US military can react quickly.

I'm infuriated at Trump for arresting Julian Assange, and won't be voting for him anyway. (I absolutely despise disloyalty and disloyal people, and Trump's 'I don't know Wikileaks' statement was the last straw for me.) So it's not like he'll lose my vote if he starts a war. But it's a stupid idea and it's not going to go the way his NeoCon advisors are telling them to.

Let's hope it's just saber-rattling.

If you asked me 20 years ago or just 10 years ago, if the US or the West could go through a rapid breakdown, then I would laugh at you.

I don't consider it unlikely now.

Why?

Because the people in charge of the US now are the SAME PEOPLE as were in charge of the DDR and Sovjet Union. I don't mean the usual suspects alone with that. I mean the same sadistic, middling intelligence assholes, that were found there.

In addition, the West has now become truly multiethnic, which it wasn't before. That adds a new factor that could lead to a true, rapid breakdown.

If the Sovjet Union can fail, so can Empire America. If the British Empire can completely collapse over 50 years, so can the US. If fascists can run Spain until 40 years, so can they again.

History as always provides a good case for what might happen. We don't need to look further than Russia, which means ethnic fragmentation, period of economic turmoil, contraction, cultural and religious rebirth to fit new ethnic lines.

How exactly the breakdown of the US, and when, will go down, we can only speculate. It will happen though. 100% certainty. The US will break down into ethnic lines, no doubt about it, but imo it can be as much as 50-100 years before it happens.

(05-08-2019 11:46 AM)partyfowl Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:41 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:34 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Are there actual "accelerationists" here, beyond Samseau and his wacky plan to establish Wisconsin Whitopia? I think that's just a slur that got tossed around when people didn't want to admit Trump was dropping the ball.

I expect the collapse of the United States, if it comes, to result in horrors that make the current situation look like paradise on Earth. (For example, I'd rather have trannies doing story time at library, a common sign of degeneracy that gets tossed around, than open slave markets like they have in Libya, which might very well make a comeback in an absolute collapse situation.)

I'm certainly not rooting for it, and I don't think anybody should be.

There will be no collapse.

Just an entire generation of accelerationists who got left behind, bitter and angry that they missed the boat.

Exactly, a collapse will only come when some country has some legitimate challenge in the currency department. Nobody has that not China, not Russia, not Japan and certainly not the Euro. That's also only really the first step of a collapse.

Considering you registered last month and somehow know a lot about the forum's political environment....I must ask, which banned member are you?

(05-08-2019 09:17 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:46 AM)partyfowl Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:41 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:34 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Are there actual "accelerationists" here, beyond Samseau and his wacky plan to establish Wisconsin Whitopia? I think that's just a slur that got tossed around when people didn't want to admit Trump was dropping the ball.

I expect the collapse of the United States, if it comes, to result in horrors that make the current situation look like paradise on Earth. (For example, I'd rather have trannies doing story time at library, a common sign of degeneracy that gets tossed around, than open slave markets like they have in Libya, which might very well make a comeback in an absolute collapse situation.)

I'm certainly not rooting for it, and I don't think anybody should be.

There will be no collapse.

Just an entire generation of accelerationists who got left behind, bitter and angry that they missed the boat.

Exactly, a collapse will only come when some country has some legitimate challenge in the currency department. Nobody has that not China, not Russia, not Japan and certainly not the Euro. That's also only really the first step of a collapse.

Considering you registered last month and somehow know a lot about the forum's political environment....I must ask, which banned member are you?

none, I just know red pill areas well enough. I'm getting used to the idiosyncrasies of every member still so I have had my spazzes but overall I'm newcomer.

There aren't any notable banned members who made the same sort of obvious grammatical errors and spelling mistakes that partyfowl makes.

My vote says newcomer until proven otherwise.

(05-08-2019 12:25 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  When either of these camps start stating an opinion or fact and then get called doomers or the best yet, cucks, you do realise things are actually happening such as where the founder of this site gets demonetised and Roosh has also been subject to moves he himself admits he didn't believe would happen under a Trump presidency?

This Mastercard thing was first used to take people down on Patreon or any other crowd sourcing website and steadily grew. Now we are seeing many others follow suit. Are you taking notice of these happenings or are you just going to say its all doomer speak because we have DJT in the white house?

SNIP

Now if Iran is having major problems what makes you think individuals and groups residing in Western Europe or the US wont have an impossible mountain to climb?

Will they start going after the donators of these groups? You cant have a professional job without a bank account and good luck in convincing an employer on the reasons why.

Excellent point, FoolsGold. To add on to what Foolsgold mentioned, remember that employment Make America Great Again job board type of thing that Trump put out at the start of his presidency? Where he said he wanted normal everyday Americans in his administration because the swamp was so rotten? Anybody remember that and know what I'm talking about?

Supposedly, I read somewhere that they "lost" the application list. Does anybody really believe in the year 2017, with government having the best of the best technology, that they actually "lost" the application list? Didn't Roosh once say on here that everything you post on the internet is permanent because you can still look it up somehow even when you delete stuff (I'm not tech savy I don't know how that works)?

You just know that application list is somewhere in dark, dark hands. The optimist in me wants to say Trump was a clueless old boomer about it. The realist in me says you don't get to where Donald Trump is at without knowing that nothing ever truly disappears off from the internet. If I listen to the realist side of me, then I'de have to conclude that Trump just doesn't give a shit because it doesn't affect him.

(05-08-2019 09:00 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  If you asked me 20 years ago or just 10 years ago, if the US or the West could go through a rapid breakdown, then I would laugh at you.

I don't consider it unlikely now.

Why?

Because the people in charge of the US now are the SAME PEOPLE as were in charge of the DDR and Sovjet Union. I don't mean the usual suspects alone with that. I mean the same sadistic, middling intelligence assholes, that were found there.

In addition, the West has now become truly multiethnic, which it wasn't before. That adds a new factor that could lead to a true, rapid breakdown.

If the Sovjet Union can fail, so can Empire America. If the British Empire can completely collapse over 50 years, so can the US. If fascists can run Spain until 40 years, so can they again.

History as always provides a good case for what might happen. We don't need to look further than Russia, which means ethnic fragmentation, period of economic turmoil, contraction, cultural and religious rebirth to fit new ethnic lines.

How exactly the breakdown of the US, and when, will go down, we can only speculate. It will happen though. 100% certainty. The US will break down into ethnic lines, no doubt about it, but imo it can be as much as 50-100 years before it happens.

Due to where I grew up and when I grew up, when I first moved into a large metro area about 20 years ago, I could see how much trouble this country was in. By 2003/2004 I knew the country was heading for a collapse. I couldn't believe both how bad things were getting and how little the average person cared. I knew that combination spelled disaster and something deep inside of me said this country was in serious trouble.

I adjusted my life accordingly. I started to check out of popular culture and started to focus on saving and investing money. Since then I have been studying/learning/reading/listening to any information I could find on our situation. I think I have a pretty good handle on it. And what you say is very true. But I think things will start getting real dicey in about 10 years or so.

Starting with the 2028 election, the Democrats will likely run the country top to bottom. If you look at demographic changes in this country, and not just racial demographics, but other important trends such as...

Single adults v. Married adults
Welfare recipients v. non-welfare recipients
Land owners v. non-land owners
People who work a job they enjoy v. people who are burned out and fed up
People with a positive net worth and something to protect v. those upside down or permanent renters

On and on, and everything trends to the Democrats. Which is why my strongest message to this board is "the Democrats will run this country top to bottom in 10 years, plan accordingly".

I am not as optimistic about 50 to 100 years. Maybe it makes it another 50 years, but that will be 50 years of misery/in-fighting/escalating violence.

I'm thinking more around 20 years or so until something major happens. What that will be, I don't know, but I don't see how we make it much beyond 20 years into the future without something major happening. Especially with China growing stronger and stronger every year and the US growing weaker and weaker year by year.

All in all I want the men here to realize how much trouble this country is in and to plan accordingly.

^^^ will the party lines not just shift? As they always have. We already see republicans supporting homosexuality and beginning to support limited abortion. Just going off the average conservative I see on twitter or people from work.