(09-15-2015 01:33 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Roosevelt,

First I don't care.

2nd, midwest came on here trolling and that ks what my comment addresses.

Grow up.

Of course you don't care. Why else would you have written that insolent comment about him.

At least have the decency and respect for those who do care and valued his work.

Also, he's gone and banned. Talking shit about a valued member behind his back is not only a low blow but cowardly. Let it go already and let him be, no need to take jabs at him behind his back.

Edit: I could have sworn this was posted in the correct thread

(09-15-2015 03:15 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  I would be concerned with Carson.

Not because he's a terribly great opponent in any objective sense, but because of his skin color. If he rises too high it will be awfully tempting for the GOP to give him the nomination. I mean, just imagine the glowing PR the left wing press will give them...for a week or two.

I know people get my meaning so I won't genuflect with the "not in a racist way" nonsense. It's about moral signaling and the members of this forum recognize that.

Just adding that because I've realized I don't need to qualify myself a whole lot here. Which is great.

As a Black man, I love and admire Ben Carson. He's just that candidate that you just can't help but not hate. Too nice to pick on.

In the end though I will be voting Trump. Having Carson be Trump's VP will be interesting. But even with that I doubt many Black Americans will vote Trump given how they monolithically vote Democrat. Its hard to get to them.

Can you quote that article? I don't have enough bandwidth to load it.

edit; nevermind, I guess it wasn't supposed to be in this thread.

(09-15-2015 03:35 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  Can you quote that article? I don't have enough bandwidth to load it.

edit; nevermind, I guess it wasn't supposed to be in this thread.

It was meant for the Jeremy Corbyn thread. It is there now.

But Corbyn appointed a vegan to deal with British farmers on the behalf of Labour

Carson strikes me as a nice guy but he is basically an affirmative action candidate, same with Carly Fiorina. There are a lot of Republicans who like to signal how not racist and not sexist they are by pushing people like them. They bent over backwards with Michael Steele, for instance, who went on to be a total disaster. Their transparent pandering also didn't win them any votes or respect from the left, whose frame they slavishly buy into.

(08-29-2015 02:35 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 01:06 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 10:40 AM)Killer Joe Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 10:30 AM)Blackwell Wrote:  Fuck. Midwest has been banned.

Why? He didn't do anything wrong

He has ignored warnings to stop disrupting conversations and attacking other members with his social justice agenda. While at times he did provoke discussion with his contrarian views, he crossed the line in applying PC-labels to denigrate other members.

The one guy whose Mexico posts made sense to me and were consistent with my experience is gone. If he had stayed away from the political threads, he would have been more than fine.

Surely that is a decent point.

Some banned members had contributed in a large variety of ways, and then they get caught up with certain tactics or get too emotional.. and begin to NOT know when to stop. I suppose it could happen to any guy, if he gets too caught up in an argument, and sometimes begins to attack other persons rather than the various points that they are attempting to make.

(09-15-2015 03:38 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  Carson strikes me as a nice guy but he is basically an affirmative action candidate, same with Carly Fiorina...

If you look at his rallies or footage of him campaigning, its him and a bunch of white people. They like him, and its not because they don't wanna be considered racist. They probably like trump too but they might be turned off by some of his rhetoric. There is a section of Conservative voters that are very G rated. These are the extremely polite, church going, soup kitchen volunteering types. Although they probably like Trump, but watching that Dallas rally, you can see why number of conservatives would be turned off by some of his vocabulary(Hell, Crap, Ass etc).

Also Carson, has a real ground campaign infrastructure. The fact that he came out questioning Trumps faith means that he has smart people that know exactly who to target.

Trump still has the highest odds of winning though, Carson's supporter's second choice is still Trump.

(09-15-2015 03:27 PM)Roosevelt Taylor Wrote:  Also, he's gone and banned. Talking shit about a valued member behind his back is not only a low blow but cowardly. Let it go already and let him be, no need to take jabs at him behind his back.

There is about one million places on the internet or in every day groups people could have MidWest's opinions without being ostracized and usually being celebrated.

This is one of the very very few places people can have open discussions and conversations with these view points without being jabbed constantly.

Why shit in the one sandbox we can talk about things like this. He had the ability to go play in any sandbox and get patted on the back, but chose to keep coming in this one.

He should have been intelligent enough to understand this. I also think bringing the race thing of minorities with minorities you brought is just ridiculous and more taunting. Who cares? This is the last place for sympathy based on race group rather than on intellect and ideas. This goes on everywhere else right now leave that at the door.

(09-15-2015 03:38 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  Carson strikes me as a nice guy but he is basically an affirmative action candidate, same with Carly Fiorina. There are a lot of Republicans who like to signal how not racist and not sexist they are by pushing people like them. They bent over backwards with Michael Steele, for instance, who went on to be a total disaster. Their transparent pandering also didn't win them any votes or respect from the left, whose frame they slavishly buy into.

One of those Republicans was George Bush when he appointed Condolezza Rice, Colin Powell, and Alberto Gonzales to his cabinet. When I saw that I was like ok George we get it.

Now we see Jeb trying to copy his brother. I can't help but cringe everytime I see Jeb pandering to Hispanics in Spanish. Does he really think Hispanics are just going to say "hey look he's speaking Spanish, lets vote for him," hell no. It looks very weak and he loses respect from his base as well.

Trump is just being himself and getting minority votes to his side, including Hispanics. Trump isn't throwing any cliches or anything, he's just being a normal guy and Americans are gravitating towards him. That's my advice to all these pandering Republicans. Just be a normal everyday guy, Americans love it.

(09-15-2015 04:44 AM)Sgt Wrote:  I read some interesting comments on why Trump is still not seen in front of Jeb on the betting markets.

Their reasoning goes like this:

• Trump is anti-establishment - many voters are starved for an anti-establishment president
• this under-served need is why Trump has attracted HIS voters earlier than others
• mainstream voters are not as active yet, so the people who feel more comfortable with a mainstream candidate have not yet made up their mind about the nominees to the same degree as the anti-establishment voters
• as candidates start to drop out though, their supporters will rather go to one of the mainstream candidates
• say the nice doctor Ben Carson drops out, his voters would rather join Camp Bush than Camp Trump
• this is why Trump's lead will not hold - his poll numbers will stay high but stagnate as the numbers of his eventual biggest competitor (most probably Jeb) will come closer to his
• once he loses the big lead he currently has, it will be hard for him to keep up the "always winning" storyline which attracts a significant part of his voters
  

I still think he has a very good shot at the presidency, but the current numbers just don't mean that much - nobody becomes president before election day.

YEP... these are all good points, and I think also that polls show that if Republicans were so short-sighted as to choose Trump as their candidate, then almost any Democratic runner would likely easily beat him (at least at this point in the unravelling of events and sentiments)...

(09-15-2015 03:55 PM)8ball Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 03:38 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  Carson strikes me as a nice guy but he is basically an affirmative action candidate, same with Carly Fiorina...

If you look at his rallies or footage of him campaigning, its him and a bunch of white people. They like him, and its not because they don't wanna be considered racist. They probably like trump too but they might be turned off by some of his rhetoric. There is a section of Conservative voters that are very G rated. These are the extremely polite, church going, soup kitchen volunteering types.

...

Trump still has the highest odds of winning though, Carson's supporter's second choice is still Trump.

Would Trump really be the second choice of Carson supporters? My guess is that niceness and likeability is an important trait for those supporting Carson now - if that is the case, it would make more sense for them to support Jeb instead of Trump in case Carson drops out.

(09-15-2015 03:58 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 04:44 AM)Sgt Wrote:  I read some interesting comments on why Trump is still not seen in front of Jeb on the betting markets.

Their reasoning goes like this:

• Trump is anti-establishment - many voters are starved for an anti-establishment president
• this under-served need is why Trump has attracted HIS voters earlier than others
• mainstream voters are not as active yet, so the people who feel more comfortable with a mainstream candidate have not yet made up their mind about the nominees to the same degree as the anti-establishment voters
• as candidates start to drop out though, their supporters will rather go to one of the mainstream candidates
• say the nice doctor Ben Carson drops out, his voters would rather join Camp Bush than Camp Trump
• this is why Trump's lead will not hold - his poll numbers will stay high but stagnate as the numbers of his eventual biggest competitor (most probably Jeb) will come closer to his
• once he loses the big lead he currently has, it will be hard for him to keep up the "always winning" storyline which attracts a significant part of his voters
  

I still think he has a very good shot at the presidency, but the current numbers just don't mean that much - nobody becomes president before election day.

YEP... these are all good points, and I think also that polls show that if Republicans were so short-sighted as to choose Trump as their candidate, then almost any Democratic runner would likely easily beat him (at least at this point in the unravelling of events and sentiments)...

Where are these polls that you speak of?

The ones I've seen have Trump besting both Hillary and old man Bernie head to head.

You've seen recent polls showing Trump easily losing to them?

Post them. I haven't seen them yet.

(09-15-2015 04:16 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 03:58 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 04:44 AM)Sgt Wrote:  I read some interesting comments on why Trump is still not seen in front of Jeb on the betting markets.

Their reasoning goes like this:

• Trump is anti-establishment - many voters are starved for an anti-establishment president
• this under-served need is why Trump has attracted HIS voters earlier than others
• mainstream voters are not as active yet, so the people who feel more comfortable with a mainstream candidate have not yet made up their mind about the nominees to the same degree as the anti-establishment voters
• as candidates start to drop out though, their supporters will rather go to one of the mainstream candidates
• say the nice doctor Ben Carson drops out, his voters would rather join Camp Bush than Camp Trump
• this is why Trump's lead will not hold - his poll numbers will stay high but stagnate as the numbers of his eventual biggest competitor (most probably Jeb) will come closer to his
• once he loses the big lead he currently has, it will be hard for him to keep up the "always winning" storyline which attracts a significant part of his voters
  

I still think he has a very good shot at the presidency, but the current numbers just don't mean that much - nobody becomes president before election day.

YEP... these are all good points, and I think also that polls show that if Republicans were so short-sighted as to choose Trump as their candidate, then almost any Democratic runner would likely easily beat him (at least at this point in the unravelling of events and sentiments)...

Where are these polls that you speak of?

The ones I've seen have Trump besting both Hillary and old man Bernie head to head.

You've seen recent polls showing Trump easily losing to them?

Post them. I haven't seen them yet.

One poll that I was considering, when I wrote my post, was one done at the end of July, but I had NOT recalled that such poll was so old (about 6 weeks ago), and Hillary has been sliding since then.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-event...aseID=2264

There may be some more recent polls, let me look a little further.

I am NOT trying to be disingenuous here or in my earlier post, but I have a hard time believing that a bombastic and caustic person like Trump would really have any meaningful chance at winning the presidency. He has little to NO substance, except to make everything about him and his stupid ass reality shows - but NEVER say NEVER in this strange world in which we are living because one of the difficult things to predict is the future.

Quote:Also Carson, has a real ground campaign infrastructure. The fact that he came out questioning Trumps faith means that he has smart people that know exactly who to target.

Does he really have a strong ground campaign? Since he has no political connections, and (presumably) very little money, I'd assumed his ground campaign would be very weak. Actually, I'd assumed that a weak ground campaign would be the reason he'd eventually fail. Have you seen anything to the contrary?

That Carson, a strong evangelical Christian, is attacking someone's Christian faith doesn't seem like evidence of political supergenius to me. It's obvious; a six year old could come up with it. Bobby Jindal tried the same thing in even harsher terms, and all that did was make him look like an idiot.

(09-15-2015 04:03 PM)Sgt Wrote:  Would Trump really be the second choice of Carson supporters? My guess is that niceness and likeability is an important trait for those supporting Carson now - if that is the case, it would make more sense for them to support Jeb instead of Trump in case Carson drops out.

Since when is Jeb likable? Any vote for Trump Carson and Cruz is an anti-establishment vote. I Said they probably like Trump but some of his language is pushing them away and towards Carson(another non establishment candidate).

Given the choice between Donald and Jeb, they will swallow the Donald's language and vote for him.

(09-15-2015 04:26 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 04:16 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 03:58 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 04:44 AM)Sgt Wrote:  I read some interesting comments on why Trump is still not seen in front of Jeb on the betting markets.

Their reasoning goes like this:

• Trump is anti-establishment - many voters are starved for an anti-establishment president
• this under-served need is why Trump has attracted HIS voters earlier than others
• mainstream voters are not as active yet, so the people who feel more comfortable with a mainstream candidate have not yet made up their mind about the nominees to the same degree as the anti-establishment voters
• as candidates start to drop out though, their supporters will rather go to one of the mainstream candidates
• say the nice doctor Ben Carson drops out, his voters would rather join Camp Bush than Camp Trump
• this is why Trump's lead will not hold - his poll numbers will stay high but stagnate as the numbers of his eventual biggest competitor (most probably Jeb) will come closer to his
• once he loses the big lead he currently has, it will be hard for him to keep up the "always winning" storyline which attracts a significant part of his voters
  

I still think he has a very good shot at the presidency, but the current numbers just don't mean that much - nobody becomes president before election day.

YEP... these are all good points, and I think also that polls show that if Republicans were so short-sighted as to choose Trump as their candidate, then almost any Democratic runner would likely easily beat him (at least at this point in the unravelling of events and sentiments)...

Where are these polls that you speak of?

The ones I've seen have Trump besting both Hillary and old man Bernie head to head.

You've seen recent polls showing Trump easily losing to them?

Post them. I haven't seen them yet.

One poll that I was considering, when I wrote my post, was one done at the end of July, but I had NOT recalled that such poll was so old (about 6 weeks ago), and Hillary has been sliding since then.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-event...aseID=2264

There may be some more recent polls, let me look a little further.

I am NOT trying to be disingenuous here or in my earlier post, but I have a hard time believing that a bombastic and caustic person like Trump would really have any meaningful chance at winning the presidency. He has little to NO substance, except to make everything about him and his stupid ass reality shows - but NEVER say NEVER in this strange world in which we are living because one of the difficult things to predict is the future.

Actually, here is a more recent poll from August 27, 2015:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-event...aseID=2274

It pretty much says the same thing that I had said in my earlier post.. All this rah rah rah, regarding Trump on the Republican side (of possibly a variety of people who feel that he is good for venting some of their feelings), so far does NOT translate that Trump has any meaningful chance in a general election (were it held today) against a variety of potential Democratic contenders.

Surely, there is a lot of time between now and November 2016, and accordingly, we are going to see a lot of developments on both ends, including polls that will continue to change and be framed in a variety of ways to illustrate a variety of points...

   

Watch out for this guy could cause some serious IRT issues even as VP.

(09-15-2015 04:03 PM)Sgt Wrote:  Would Trump really be the second choice of Carson supporters? My guess is that niceness and likeability is an important trait for those supporting Carson now - if that is the case, it would make more sense for them to support Jeb instead of Trump in case Carson drops out.

They like his demeanor (and are put off by Trump's), but they would vote for either over a "mainstream" candidate. The GOP base - G-rated or otherwise - is really not having it anymore with these career politicians... maybe it won't last, maybe the dorky Bush brother will win, but this is a trip.

(09-15-2015 04:40 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Watch out for this guy could cause some serious IRT issues even as VP.

He looks pretty white in the cartoon depiction...

India will have the largest population soon and 65% is under 35 years old I read somewhere on RVF today. Very interesting to see with Indian wages rising then all those young male professionals spreading their wealth and game over the world what will happen.

My bets on white girls getting much, much, bitchier internationally over the next 50 years due to extreme demand.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/09/1...re-racist/

Quote:On Tuesday, talk radio host Glenn Beck accused the Tea Party supporters of GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump of being racists.

While he questioned whether Trump’s supporters are genuine Tea Partiers, Beck said of them, “If you were a Tea Party person, then you were lying. You were lying. It was about Barack Obama being black. It was about him being a Democrat.” Although he later identified fellow talk show host Sean Hannity as a Tea Party supporter who thinks Trump is “a great guy,” Beck said that he simply disagrees with Hannity about Trump.

Beck’s comments came as part of a discussion of Trump’s rally in Texas yesterday before a sold-out crowd of 20,000. Beck stated, “The media’s making this look like [Trump’s supporters are] Tea Party people. I don’t think these are Tea Party people who are following him. Some of them may be, but I think these — I mean, you can’t — if you were a Tea Party person, then you were lying. You were lying. It was about Barack Obama being black. It was about him being a Democrat, because this guy is offering you many of the same things, as shallow as the same way. If you said to me that it bothered you about his past, you said to me, ‘Hey, what about his relationship with Jeremiah Wright? What about what he’s done here, here, and here?’ You’re not bothered by this guy, and it’s exactly the same thing.”

Later, after discussing reports of The Blaze being left off the list of media outlets given passes for Trump’s rally in Dallas (although they were eventually allowed in), Beck said, “People will not even say that’s concerning. His supporters will not even say that’s concerning.” Beck noted that Trump makes him, rather than a booker, cold call Trump to get an interview with him, something which Beck says he refuses to do. Beck added, “I’ve seen this movie before. This is exactly what Barack Obama does.”

Beck also stated, “Well, we can’t figure out, there’s a lot of people that we know, that we just cannot figure out. They say they were for the Tea Party, I mean, you know, I’ve had an open conversation with Sean Hannity. He is — he swears he’s a great guy, and everything else. I just disagree with him, on that. Sarah Palin is another one, who had him on the show, and just fell all over him, and just loves him. I don’t understand that.”

Beck said that he did understand why people who didn’t want a politician were supporting Dr. Ben Carson.

“I cannot understand the Trump thing, and it scares the hell out of me,” Beck added. “If there’s anybody who would like the Greek columns, and the gold and the glitter, it’ll be Donald Trump.” He continued that Trump saying his name may be on the wall between the US and Mexico is “what a dictator says. I mean, remember, it was Leningrad, and then it was Stalingrad. That’s what dictators do. That’s what dictators do. And we are — if it’s not him, it will be someone else, that steps into that role, if we don’t stop this right now.”

He concluded, “This guy is just a TV star. That’s what’s happening. He’s a TV star, and people just want to win, and they’ll take anyone.”

This is the same treacherous idiot who, a few days ago, tearfully said he'd break the law and smuggle in Syrian invaders through Mexico if he had to.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/yale-profe...57030.html

Yale professor on Carly Fiorina's business record: She 'destroyed half the wealth of her investors yet still earned almost $100 million' - and Trump mentioned that HP announced today that they are laying off another 25,000 to 30,000 Americans jobs which a friend at HP tells me are being shipped to India and China to get Obama tax breaks.

I do not agree that Trump was soft - he actually called out Fiorina on the above article and she tried to fluff it off as the Professor is a Pro Hitlery academic.

Trump also did not apologize to Jebs wife (Alpha response to a beta) he also quoted Jeb's own words "I believe that immigration is not illegal it is an act of love!" Then trapped Bush into why is he speaking to crowds in Spanish if he is running for President of the USA - I predict that Trump continues to consolidate his substantial lead.

Trump after the debate was cordial to Carli who was definitely treated to a wide array of softballs from CNN as part of their pro Hitlery plan to paint Trump in a negative light - she pulled her hand away and brushed Mr. Trump off - classless bitch.

Got to love Coulter for criticizing the Jews and Israel and her book Adios America is well researched and indicated Trump just needs the white working class vote to win - take a page out of Reagan's book and create a new generation pf Reagan Democrats - young working class men and women who can't find decent paying jobs under mountains of Obama supported student debt.

I makes me laugh how females like Fiorina posture to be strong on defense war hawks yet in SJW Marxist Feminist America women en masse are NOT required to sign up for selective service - yet men are or risk a $250,000 fine and are not allowed to apply for student loans which under Obama is another law among many that the Hate America first Obamunists never enforce.

I was a bit surprised that only one candidate (so many I forget who) mentioned mandatory e-verify as a very cost effective solution to illegals. On every contract I apply for I have to supply valid DHS acceptable ID to prove I am a citizen - a couple years ago I had an expired passport - still proof of citizenship to vote - but DHS did not accept it because it was "expired" - fortunately I had an old VA ID with my SSN on it that does not expire and it was accepted as a federal government issued ID even though the VA told me to tear up the old card to protect against identity theft! First paycheck on the contract I bought a new passport and passport ID card so that this would never be a problem again with DHS and the e-verify system. E-Verify is free for employers to use and you must submit a valid ID and your real SSN card (I had lost mine and used my VA card again) to get a new SocSec Card and now keep my passport and SSN card in my firesafe to get a contracts.

It pisses me off to no end that I as an honorably discharged military veteran natural born citizen to American Parents and a veteran father who served on diesel boats in WWII and Korea - that I have to prove my citizenship under the E-Verify law yet the Obamunists fail to enforce said same law for illegals and want all the states to issue illegals a drivers license so that they have a valid acceptable E-Verify ID - and want to support amnestia instead.

Point is make it mandatory for all employers and fake SSNs will be flagged on the spot and NO ID no work and no eat as an illegal and they will beat feet back to wherever. That and a Fingerprint Tracking system for visa over-stayers and the law enforcement burden on rounding up illegals and visa over-stayers becomes much more manageable.

Then I believe that Rubio backed Trump on the 14th amendment auto birthright citizen ship saying that the US system of allowing in relatives is crazy no other major western nation does this until the ISIS invasion of military aged radical islamist that is happening now. Even Canada has a merit points system for immigration to Canada with no auto immigration for relatives.

Rubio and Bush are both on record for comprehensive immigration reform which is a euphamism for Amnesty and then each illegal brings in 4 relatives and we have 50 Million anti Americans in the USA and we think that the EU has a problem with pro ISIS sympaticos invading Europe.... Europe is screwed and will see these men bring in mail order Muslim brides and then have 4 wives each and 5 kids per wife all on the European dole and the invasion of Europe by Saudi supported ISIS is a "fait accompli".

With Trump it will become a merit based system like Canada and there will be no more Asian or Latin American birth certificate immigration or tourism. Trump reinforced again that no one would be talking about immigration if he did not take the lead and the liberal media and Univision hate heat and that solving this problem will save $200 Billion a year in illegal immigrant welfare, medical and education expenses. Of course the CNN Obamunists insisted on referring to them as Undocumented Citizens - CNN Sux Marxist Moosemeat.

Of course CNN are liberal pro Hillaryites and will do whatever they can to tear down Trump and the GOP.

The Oct 13th CNN Democratic Debate will be a liberal Democrat lovefest softball tournament. Will be interesting to see how they "feel the Bern".

I thought trump looked terrible tonight. He had no real positions except for being a strong military and all the same rhetoric he's already had. His Pro Israel stance is extremely worrying, considering everyone on the stage spewed the same shit except rand.

I'm losing a lot of hope in trump, and it really seems like a charade at this point. Curious as to why he joined in the race right when rand was starting to do well and constantly is trashing the man.

Rand is still a beta, but he was the best of the bunch tonight.

Actually Rand went after Don, Trump's first counterattack was sort of like, I can't believe Rand is attacking me, "I like the guy!"

Trump is on good terms with Cruz, Ann Coulter, veterans, and has been viciously attacked by all the establishment republicans. The conspiracy theory that Trump is actually an establishment stooge is ridiculous. You may like everything about him, but he's his own person.