I think Trump should at least propose a haircut for Student Loans. Forgive 25% or so and have the schools eat the cost for giving out bad degrees. 25% won't crash the system (may cause a few liberal arts schools to go bankrupt, who cares), and it will draw tons of Bernie supporters.

Quote:Student loans have an attractive feature that most debt doesn’t have: payments can adjust to current income levels. Direct federal student loans enable borrowers to apply to make their payments a fixed percent of their discretionary income, with the percent ranging from 10 percent to 20 percent depending on the program. These programs also set a maximum number of years that people have to pay, up to 25 years, and any debt remaining at the end of that period is forgiven.

[...]

There are other advantages that student loans have over most other forms of debt. During periods of unemployment, a borrower can apply to suspend payments on federal student loans until the borrower resumes work (note this doesn’t apply to private student loans). And interest paid on these loans is tax deductible up to $2,500 annually

Source: https://clevelandfed.org/newsroom-and-ev...risis.aspx

We already have a lot in place to ease the burden on people.

The only things I'd like to see change on the student debt front from Trump is:

1. Expand bankruptcy options to ALL forms of student loan debt (i.e. private loans) at 25 years.

2. Stop federal backing of loans except for elite students. The government shouldn't be backing shitty students to get a worthless degree from some shit school. Shit student in high school? Goto community college and EARN your federal backed loan.

3. (Debatable) Force schools to get some skin in the game somehow. Maybe make them liable for 50% of the debt or something.

One of the fundamental problems is that schools provide "assets", largely bought on government loans, that they can't be held accountable for if the asset is a shit product. By forcing schools to have some skin in the game, this would likely cause the following:

3a. Schools would be forced to select students with good records and real potential.

3b. Schools would be forced to reduce tuition and/or give out scholarships to reduce their long-term liability.

3c. Having a degree would actually mean something again since they are handed out more on merit and potential as oppose to one's ability to buy them off.

Anyhow, none of this means shit without jobs. And Clinton just announced she wants to make college free for families with under 125k income; which does nothing but throw money down the drain and ignores the root problem.

[quote='The Black Knight' pid='1341036' dateline='1467837418']

Quote:Anyhow, none of this means shit without jobs. And Clinton just announced she wants to make college free for families with under 125k income; which does nothing but throw money down the drain and ignores the root problem.

Will that be enough to get most of the Bernie bros to say "I'm with Her"?

It's still unclear just how much damage, if any, the news about no FBI charges will do to Hillary, Comey was pretty scathing in his press conference but ultimately took no action against her.

eradicator Wrote:

The Black Knight Wrote:Anyhow, none of this means shit without jobs. And Clinton just announced she wants to make college free for families with under 125k income; which does nothing but throw money down the drain and ignores the root problem.

Will that be enough to get most of the Bernie bros to say "I'm with Her"?

It's still unclear just how much damage, if any, the news about no FBI charges will do to Hillary, Comey was pretty scathing in his press conference but ultimately took no action against her.

Personally, I think enough of the Bernie Bros have already decided to defect for reasons excluding education. The FBI deal just cemented the resolve of those willing to defect and pushed some more fence-sitters. The types of people driven to vote for Bernie primarily based on his education policy aren't the types of people to vote for Trump anyway: Young SJW types.

The Bernie Bros who primarily want:
1) American first trade/job policy and
2) Someone at the top not obviously bought off/willing to call out bullshit

.... are the types of people to swing to Trump. Older/non-college aged/working class Bernie supporters who need a good economy like yesterday are the types to vote for Trump; of which there are MANY.

They know more college isn't the answer nor is it the priority for them. They need MONEY and a good environment to earn some of it. Things have been shit for WAY too long and people are running out of time to build ANY kind of financial wealth or security. Hillary is certainly NOT their champion nor would they EVER believe her even if she suddenly came around and started advocating for their needs.

I have had this conversation before with an older male pro-Hillary "establishment" type liberal voter:

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Him: "Why can't you support Hillary Black Knight?"

Me: "Because she doesn't even ATTEMPT to address my concerns and if she did, I would NEVER believe her! She has had decades already to make her case!"

He basically conceded that Hillary really doesn't address my concerns and it is something she needs do more of.

Then the conversation shifted:

Him: "But the economic experts say Trump's policies would be a disaster!"

Me: "Do you not get it? I don't trust or believe the 'economic experts' - reality has proven them wrong time and time again! I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY! I'm know the goddamn reality; I'm living it.

Has stupid free trade deals helped me? Nope
Has mass illegal and legal immigration helped me? Nope
Housing never comes down in price, right? Nope
A college degree and the debt is always worth it? Nope

And the 'experts' advocated bailing out parasites like Wall Street and shit businesses like GM without hesitation? Rewarding bad behavior at the expense of responsible people?

THIS IS THE REALITY! TODAY! I don't have anymore fucking time to indulge bullshit by so called 'economic experts.' I need the economy kicking ass like yesterday. I need someone who is ACTUALLY looking out for MY needs TODAY!"

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Even though I'm a Trump supporter, you could replace me with a certain class of Bernie supporter saying almost the exact same thing.

Also keep in mind: Bernie had almost half of the democrat primary population vote for him; he wasn't some fringe candidate voter turnout wise. Even a 10% defection of Bernie Bros would be pretty significant. I think it will be more than that.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/do...une-225171

Quote:Donald Trump's fundraising sprang to life in June, pulling in a $51 million for the month and smashing totals from all previous months.
The campaign said slightly more than half of which came from the team's burgeoning digital and small-dollar operation, between the campaign itself and its joint venture with the Republican National Committee.

I saw what was going around the aether yesterday. A lot of Bernie supporters were PISSED OFF. It seemed that more of them were angry at the way the FBI investigation turned out than Trump's supporters were, which makes sense given that Trump's supporters probably expected it (as we did), compared to the Bernie people holding out hope that their man would "win the FBI primary." Now that's gone.

Imagine how you'd feel if you saw someone that you thought (as do I) was a good, honest man who actually cared about you and the country to now get screwed over in many ways in favor of this CROOK that would have at the very least had her career ruined if not actually be put in jail if her name wasn't Hillary Clinton. You'd be livid.

What Hillary needed was the recency effect to soften herself and shore up her support with Bernie's supporters, but this is going to loom over the entire campaign now. I've heard that anywhere from 10 to 40% of Bernie's supporters say they'll never back Hillary. 10 is bad (but can be overcome), 40 is catastrophic.

Trump needs to make himself less scary and begin to reframe the "racist" card soon, like Scott Adams suggested. We may already be seeing the beginning of that. This is worth a read: https://t.co/PtqniMj2s1 It's from Trump's Jewish son in law and brings up the Nazis and how he knows what real oppression is like from first-hand family history, compared to the word salad that gets thrown around over nothing by the perpetually triggered.

This is what he needs right now. Choose a non-scary VP, run on wars, trade, secure borders, and JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, and then reframe the race card by showing how Hillary and Bill are racists and how they hurt minorities while he's employed thousands. Use surrogates like his son in law, Ben Carson, and so on to tell stories about "real oppression" compared to SJW triggers, and above all, be very careful about the confirmation bias of the aggrieved. Also try to get more riots and attacks with Mexican flags at his rallies.

My only concern with the Bernie bunch is that the rumors suggest Sanders is in talks with Clinton about endorsing her. FWIW, he despises her. He also despises Trump. He still has many devout followers. Some say he's stressed as fuck because he's facing mounting pressure to endorse Clinton and pull the plug on his campaign. Apparently he was booed by a lot of Clinton supporting democrats for not having endorsed her.

I've said for months that Trump needs to figure out a way to reel in Bernie supporters, as many of them share some core values with Trump supporters.

(07-06-2016 05:31 PM)Libertas Wrote:  I saw what was going around the aether yesterday. A lot of Bernie supporters were PISSED OFF. It seemed that more of them were angry at the way the FBI investigation turned out than Trump's supporters were, which makes sense given that Trump's supporters probably expected it (as we did), compared to the Bernie people holding out hope that their man would "win the FBI primary." Now that's gone.

Imagine how you'd feel if you saw someone that you thought (as do I) was a good, honest man who actually cared about you and the country to now get screwed over in many ways in favor of this CROOK that would have at the very least had her career ruined if not actually be put in jail if her name wasn't Hillary Clinton. You'd be livid.

What Hillary needed was the recency effect to soften herself and shore up her support with Bernie's supporters, but this is going to loom over the entire campaign now. I've heard that anywhere from 10 to 40% of Bernie's supporters say they'll never back Hillary. 10 is bad (but can be overcome), 40 is catastrophic.

Trump needs to make himself less scary and begin to reframe the "racist" card soon, like Scott Adams suggested. We may already be seeing the beginning of that. This is worth a read: https://t.co/PtqniMj2s1 It's from Trump's Jewish son in law and brings up the Nazis and how he knows what real oppression is like from first-hand family history, compared to the word salad that gets thrown around over nothing by the perpetually triggered.

This is what he needs right now. Choose a non-scary VP, run on wars, trade, secure borders, and JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, and then reframe the race card by showing how Hillary and Bill are racists and how they hurt minorities while he's employed thousands. Use surrogates like his son in law, Ben Carson, and so on to tell stories about "real oppression" compared to SJW triggers, and above all, be very careful about the confirmation bias of the aggrieved. Also try to get more riots and attacks with Mexican flags at his rallies.

CNN Wrote:House Democrats boo Bernie Sanders in contentious meeting

House Democrats roughed up Sen. Bernie Sanders in a closed-door session Wednesday after he deflected questions about when he would formally back Hillary Clinton for president, with a group of members booing him at one point, according to three Democrats who attended the meeting.

The vast majority of House Democrats endorsed Clinton's candidacy early in the primary process, but Sanders was invited to attend the weekly meeting as a courtesy extended to all presidential candidates. When Clinton appeared last month, she was applauded and praised for her commitment to help Democrats regain control of Congress this fall.
Many Democrats have been reluctant to publicly criticize Sanders for continuing his campaign because they want to ensure that the supporters he activated through the long primary contest will come out and vote for the Democratic ticket in November. But some members let out their frustration with the Vermont senator Wednesday morning, with one member calling Sanders' appearance before the caucus a "total display of self-obsession."

During the discussion, Sanders told the group "the goal is not to win elections" and took a dramatic pause, before adding that the aim was to win the battle of ideas, according to multiple sources in the room.

A series of Democrats pressed Sanders to say when he would end his efforts and endorse Clinton and work to unite the party. But after Reps. John Garamendi of California, Mark Takano of California and Joyce Beatty of Ohio, failed to get a concrete answer from the senator, roughly a dozen members booed him inside the room.

During one exchange several members chanted "timeline, timeline" when Sanders' sidestepped a question on when he would back Clinton.

Asked about his message to the House Democratic Caucus, Sanders said as he left the session, "We've got to get a large voter turnout. If we get a large voter turnout, Democrats will regain control of the Senate and I believe they're going to take the House back."

House Democratic Caucus Chairman Xavier Becerra, who presided over the meeting, said he never heard any boos during the session, but downplayed the dissent, saying the discussion was "animated." He said members did focus on the need to unify, and Sanders informed House Democrats that Clinton was announcing her support for his approach on college affordability.

The number two House Democrat, Rep Steny Hoyer, told reporters he was sitting in the front row during the meeting with Sanders and didn't hear anyone booing. He said Sanders told Democrats he would do all he could to defeat Donald Trump this fall and he took that to say he was backing Clinton. He described some members as being "anxious" about Sanders' answer about when he would endorse Clinton.

Virginia Rep Gerry Connolly took issue with some descriptions of the meeting on Twitter, saying, "Bernie was respectfully received by Caucus. Some disagreements, yes, but a friendly venue" and "Sanders was reflective and thoughtful in responses. Expressions of disagreement are NOT booing."

Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/06/politi...o-sanders/

(07-06-2016 05:58 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  My only concern with the Bernie bunch is that the rumors suggest Sanders is in talks with Clinton about endorsing her. FWIW, he despises her. He also despises Trump. He still has many devout followers. Some say he's stressed as fuck because he's facing mounting pressure to endorse Clinton and pull the plug on his campaign. Apparently he was booed by a lot of Clinton supporting democrats for not having endorsed her.

I've said for months that Trump needs to figure out a way to reel in Bernie supporters, as many of them share some core values with Trump supporters.

I disagree, he needs to use enough negative attack ads to make the Bernie supporters stay home instead of go to Hillary. Expecting them to jump on the Trump train isn't very realistic. Bernie and Trump are miles apart for the most part

Trump Live on CNN - blasts CNN for being so anti Trump and that he no longer watches CNN <the Clinton News Network>.

He is holding a rally in Ohio right now.

Trump: "The only thing Hillary is good at is staying out of jail" and "Speaking of mosquitoes: hello, Hillary, how are you doing?"

He is speaking about Bobby Knight again, bad news for The Lizard Of Oz

(07-06-2016 06:03 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

(07-06-2016 05:58 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  My only concern with the Bernie bunch is that the rumors suggest Sanders is in talks with Clinton about endorsing her. FWIW, he despises her. He also despises Trump. He still has many devout followers. Some say he's stressed as fuck because he's facing mounting pressure to endorse Clinton and pull the plug on his campaign. Apparently he was booed by a lot of Clinton supporting democrats for not having endorsed her.

I've said for months that Trump needs to figure out a way to reel in Bernie supporters, as many of them share some core values with Trump supporters.

I disagree, he needs to use enough negative attack ads to make the Bernie supporters stay home instead of go to Hillary. Expecting them to jump on the Trump train isn't very realistic. Bernie and Trump are miles apart for the most part

Their supporters aren't. Ignore the Antifas and SJWs, and you'll find a lot of uneducated working class people who are simply tired of getting fucked by the system. Those are the ones to appeal to.

The polls are biased as a lot of you know I am sure

http://thealternativehypothesis.org/inde...st-biased/

Celebrity Bernie Supporters on FBI Clinton Investigation: System Rigged

Celebrity supporters of Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign blasted FBI Director James Comey’s decision not to recommend charges be brought against Hillary Clinton after an investigation revealed that she sent classified materials held on private email servers during her tenure as Secretary of State.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2...temrigged/
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Whoever did this..

FBI guy on /pol/ predicted that shit is going to happen at the conventions and it indeed seems that Soros is assembling his Useful Idiots aka BLM to disrupt the conventions.




There is also this hacker called 'Guccifer 2' who has information on this and the Clinton Foundation in general: https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/07/...pocalypse/

(07-06-2016 11:02 AM)Dusty Wrote:  Antisemitism has infected Disney

Does Trump read RvF? He just tweeted this.

   

(07-06-2016 09:22 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

(07-06-2016 11:02 AM)Dusty Wrote:  Antisemitism has infected Disney

Does Trump read RvF? He just tweeted this.

Probably one of his staffers does. That's pretty common. Dem staffers monitor typical liberal sites like huffpo for things they can use.

Real question is do they have an account or just lurk. If roosh knew he would not tell us either.

fucking Hillary.

She posts this attack ad about how Trump shafts small businesses and this Tesoro architect never got paid for his work





So I thought, lets dig around on this claim that the architect got fucked over by trump on the national golf course project. If this guy hates trump so much then...

Why the fuck would the have the golf course profiled on his website AND feature an endorsement by trump himself?

Quote:…Mr. Tesoro is a fine architect with imagination and spirit. [The Clubhouse] fits perfectly on its glorious hilltop site…rooms are beautifully proportioned, light-filled spaces…Andrew Tesoro is a dedicated, enthusiastic, talented, and solid professional… a top-notch architect.” – Donald J. Trump

My God that Tesoro guy has got the sleaziest voice I've heard. He will be great at playing sleazy villain characters in drama, or voice-acting such characters in cartoons.

Apparently, Democrats noticed that the Republican turnout during the primaries was greater than the Democratic turnout and they're aware that voter excitement is greater for Mr. Trump than for HRC. So, they've started voter registration drives to try to up the Democratic turnout for the general election. To disguise what they're doing, they don't say that they're representing the Democratic party and just say that they're trying to get more people registered.

Outside my train station on the way home yesterday a group of them were there doing a voter registration drive. A young white girl (borderline 6 in looks) smiled at me and asked if I was registered to vote. I smiled back and said, "Make America great again." Her face froze and I kept walking. I heard someone laughing behind me and turned and looked and it was a young black girl who was smiling and looking at me in the eye. I smiled back and said, "Obviously I'm registered to vote." She smiled back and said, "So am I."

From the Dallas thread, last two minutes: