(09-16-2015 08:39 AM)XXL Wrote:  My cousin, 24 year old student in Warsaw, not really experienced with women, by no means a good catch, not handsome, very social and fun but not charming at all, straightforward and simpleminded type of a guy from total shithole, many times he had very cute girls throwing themselves at him at house parties and such [I've seen it]. The type of girls whose pictures you would jerk off to. Of course booze played major part in it but still, he's just a young regular dude, those girls are fine as hell and the only thing going for him is that he knows them through mutual friends. The same girls would not give him a chance if he tried to meet them on the street.

Don't complain about English language level cause that's not the real obstacle. Complain about "the dark reality of game". And that reality is that women, especially hot ones, prefer to hang out with guys they already know or have something in common with [over strangers inviting them on a first date] and that's why they get drunk and fuck at house parties with bearable/lame dudes they feel comfortable with [instead of charming/eloquent foreigners like you guys that are way better catch for them].

To piss you off a little more hehe, I just got invited to my cousin's house party where basically I can just pick one girl among at least 6 young legit hotties who are already open towards me cause he told them something good about me and one of them met me once so the rest of them know I'm his handsome cousin coming to have some fun. That's what party / dating / sex scene looks like from what I see here in PL. You're either in or out and language you speak doesn't really play that big role in it [I'm also "in" the expat crowd who speak different languages and that's how I hang out with foreign chicks and that's how I met my hot as fuck ex Russian GF some time ago].

Poland doesn't have a strong club culture - even in cities like Wroclaw or Poznan where it's a bit more common.

Poland is a home party place and if you are somewhat in that scene, then getting young pussy is not a problem. Otherwise Daygame is always a good option.

As far as 8+ girls moving into money circles. If you talk about Polish "upper echelon" and consider them middle class in the West, then you haven't met upper echelon. Upper echelon is upper anywhere. I have met a few young trust fund kids - one complete with a Ferrari he got from his dad for his 20th birthday. All I can say is that the number of extremely pretty girls there was staggering. Yes - pussy swims to the top, but it's the real top.

Still - money usually doesn't get pussy wet unless you are more Alpha, have Game. That doesn't mean that those guys don't get to fuck the girls. Some of them looked and behaved like Beta dweebs and super-hot girls in the 9 territory were always around them. You cannot blame girls for going all-in and trying to settle down with money.

What can potentially work in Poland is creating a micro-ecosystem with weekly parties and good connections to connector students with Game. But I have seen it only with quite well-off local Polish guys. It's certainly worth a try if you have 5000$+ for monthly expenditure. It beats paying for bottle service every weekend in the West (as well as in the East).

(09-16-2015 08:55 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 08:39 AM)XXL Wrote:  My cousin, 24 year old student in Warsaw, not really experienced with women, by no means a good catch, not handsome, very social and fun but not charming at all, straightforward and simpleminded type of a guy from total shithole, many times he had very cute girls throwing themselves at him at house parties and such [I've seen it]. The type of girls whose pictures you would jerk off to. Of course booze played major part in it but still, he's just a young regular dude, those girls are fine as hell and the only thing going for him is that he knows them through mutual friends. The same girls would not give him a chance if he tried to meet them on the street.

Don't complain about English language level cause that's not the real obstacle. Complain about "the dark reality of game". And that reality is that women, especially hot ones, prefer to hang out with guys they already know or have something in common with [over strangers inviting them on a first date] and that's why they get drunk and fuck at house parties with bearable/lame dudes they feel comfortable with [instead of charming/eloquent foreigners like you guys that are way better catch for them].

To piss you off a little more hehe, I just got invited to my cousin's house party where basically I can just pick one girl among at least 6 young legit hotties who are already open towards me cause he told them something good about me and one of them met me once so the rest of them know I'm his handsome cousin coming to have some fun. That's what party / dating / sex scene looks like from what I see here in PL. You're either in or out and language you speak doesn't really play that big role in it [I'm also "in" the expat crowd who speak different languages and that's how I hang out with foreign chicks and that's how I met my hot as fuck ex Russian GF some time ago].

Poland doesn't have a strong club culture - even in cities like Wroclaw or Poznan where it's a bit more common.

Poland is a home party place and if you are somewhat in that scene, then getting young pussy is not a problem. Otherwise Daygame is always a good option.

As far as 8+ girls moving into money circles. If you talk about Polish "upper echelon" and consider them middle class in the West, then you haven't met upper echelon. Upper echelon is upper anywhere. I have met a few young trust fund kids - one complete with a Ferrari he got from his dad for his 20th birthday. All I can say is that the number of extremely pretty girls there was staggering. Yes - pussy swims to the top, but it's the real top.

Still - money usually doesn't get pussy wet unless you are more Alpha, have Game. That doesn't mean that those guys don't get to fuck the girls. Some of them looked and behaved like Beta dweebs and super-hot girls in the 9 territory were always around them. You cannot blame girls for going all-in and trying to settle down with money.

What can potentially work in Poland is creating a micro-ecosystem with weekly parties and good connections to connector students with Game. But I have seen it only with quite well-off local Polish guys. It's certainly worth a try if you have 5000$+ for monthly expenditure. It beats paying for bottle service every weekend in the West (as well as in the East).

Thanks for the info and clarification!

My sample was upper middle class kids from Krakow,they were comfortable not rolling in dough like what you described. Do you know anything about that group? Just was super unimpressed with the girls in their circle.

Just looked at a map of Europe again and realized Poland is fucking huge.

Poland-hands, If I wanted to amuse myself with a Hans Christian Andersen cottage fantasy like the image below (I know it's a painting):



Is such a thing available in the Polish countryside? How much would it cost to rent for a summer? How much to buy?

I don't object to up to a 2 hour commute to an inhabited place for weekly grocery shopping.

(09-16-2015 03:47 PM)Nowak Wrote:  Thanks for the info and clarification!

My sample was upper middle class kids from Krakow,they were comfortable not rolling in dough like what you described. Do you know anything about that group? Just was super unimpressed with the girls in their circle.

I know the son of a Polish billionaire personally since we used to workout in the same fitness studio in the Warsaw Hilton and I knew a girl he worked with at his father's company. He was actually keeping a low profile.

Most of the real rich progeny move abroad when they are young and only come back much later when they are end 20s or in their 30s.

The guy with the Ferrari had a Polish 9 as a girlfriend and was a Beta dweeb.

I also met a few who do drugs and play videogames non-stop, but they are few. Some I met were just wasting time and money, going to parties non-stop - if the parents divorce and don't discipline them enough, then it's more common.

As far as "pairings" you would expect them to have - that depends really. If they are Jet-Set rich, then they would likely have more pretty girls as I met those buggers in Austria and Switzerland. If you reach that wealth-level, then you meet many beautiful girls. When you are upper middle class then you are paired with people in your own social sphere and it depends on your Game level and Red Pill awareness. Since most men are Blue Pill Betas, then what do you expect really?

Also most millionaires in Switzerland marry a frumpy 5 pas her prime, why should it be any different to Poland? At least in Poland they may get a 6 to 7.

Financial upper echelon who are targeted by the Jet Set Babes are different, but not because they have some innate Game, but because their Game is just showing up and welcoming the pussy that approaches them.

(09-18-2015 05:44 AM)Phazlenut Wrote:  Just looked at a map of Europe again and realized Poland is fucking huge.

Poland-hands, If I wanted to amuse myself with a Hans Christian Andersen cottage fantasy like the image below (I know it's a painting):


Is such a thing available in the Polish countryside? How much would it cost to rent for a summer? How much to buy?

I don't object to up to a 2 hour commute to an inhabited place for weekly grocery shopping.

You can get something similar in the Polish countryside - usually for rent is more in the Mazury areas of lakes, woods and Zubr:

http://mazury.info.pl/domki/trygort-lewtak/index.html



This one is for rent for 300zl/100$ a day.

Or you can buy one in the mountains of Poland:



http://ewaszembek.pl/index/dom/890

This one can be bought for 100.000$ - prices in the Mazury for similar quality will be a bit cheaper or more or less similar.

You could find a place for 40-50.000$ in the Polish woods closer to the Eastern border, but would probably have to renovate. Hardly any place is 2 hours away from a bigger city, so that's not really problematic there. It's not a huge country like the US or Canada.

As a matter of fact you could erect your Andersen dream house for 60.000$ in Poland - the plot in the woods might cost you only 15.000$. Though foreigners cannot purchase land so easily as of yet in Poland. There are loopholes to circumvent that though - lawyers doing it your stead, creating companies, using strawmen etc.

This is by the way one of the most fun thing one can do in Poland:



Have some scotch with you to warm you, then do a campfire in the night having some food heated on sticks, more drink then back to the house for some sex in front of the fireplace. I invited a girl once to such a trip and it was fun. Should do it more often in the winter.

Yeah I often find myself driving through the countryside / mountains saying things like "Once you get past the crippling poverty, it is really quite nice out here"

I'd be keen to buy a nice big place on a big block of land. You just have to find something secluded where you don't have a plastics factory ruining your view or some hideous villages in the way.

My polish friend from high school, who is skinny, 179cm-180cm just had a baby son from a girl who is at least an 8, probably a 9 for some people here. The girl is amazing in terms of looks, the guy is good looking but I'd give him a 7 at most.

The guy is definitely not in the upper echelon in terms of status, his dad is a hearing aid repairman, mom a housewife. The guy himself is still in college studying Physics...

He didn't have any game, he was just very social and thats about it. From what I've seen usually in Poland girls date down.

Met Spider and Zelcorpion this week, two good guys and will definitely catch up with them again for sure.

(09-14-2015 11:43 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  My friends who looked like Al qaeda terrorists consistently scored 7's and above in Poland.

That's disgusting. The White race is truly doomed if we are at risk of being mixed with the less intelligent races of the world.

As an American it's not so hard to pull in Poland. I'm 30 and recently pulled a real attractive (8+) 20 year old but this was thru sort of social circle game. And I'm not even attractive, well I was then I put on 20lb.

(09-20-2015 02:44 PM)zeitgeist Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 11:43 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  My friends who looked like Al qaeda terrorists consistently scored 7's and above in Poland.

That's disgusting. The White race is truly doomed if we are at risk of being mixed with the less intelligent races of the world.

You sir are a racist.

What have you done?I mean the white race has done plenty but what magically intelligent feats have you done? Exactly- hitch hiking the achievements of others by virtue of a trait you didn't even earn.

You're less than a man.

Which venue do you suggest for nighlife game in Poznan on Tuesday?

(09-20-2015 05:27 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  My polish friend from high school, who is skinny, 179cm-180cm just had a baby son from a girl who is at least an 8, probably a 9 for some people here. The girl is amazing in terms of looks, the guy is good looking but I'd give him a 7 at most.

The guy is definitely not in the upper echelon in terms of status, his dad is a hearing aid repairman, mom a housewife. The guy himself is still in college studying Physics...

He didn't have any game, he was just very social and thats about it. From what I've seen usually in Poland girls date down.

This is THE most common way of how things go down here. Girls don't "date down", they simply date guys they know and fall in love. It's that simple. I've had at least 5 hot girls falling for me before just because we belonged to the same social world and spent enough time with each other. OK guy + time = voila!

Most girls and I mean vast majority regardless of their looks, they don't look for the biggest alpha superman bad ass deluxe, they don't calculate guys' SMV or shit like that. They just get with guys who are OK, who have something in common with them, who fit their world, who have BF potential, etc.

Looking at it from "game theory" perspective it might look like something is wrong because it says that "women go for a better deal" and emphasizes how common "hypergamy" is etc. But game theory is pretty much worthless, there is enough evidence against it in real life if we take a look around. And in real life people pair bond because of connection between them.

How is the refugee situation in Wroclaw?
Looking to go there in November.

(09-22-2015 01:21 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 05:27 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  My polish friend from high school, who is skinny, 179cm-180cm just had a baby son from a girl who is at least an 8, probably a 9 for some people here. The girl is amazing in terms of looks, the guy is good looking but I'd give him a 7 at most.

The guy is definitely not in the upper echelon in terms of status, his dad is a hearing aid repairman, mom a housewife. The guy himself is still in college studying Physics...

He didn't have any game, he was just very social and thats about it. From what I've seen usually in Poland girls date down.

This is THE most common way of how things go down here. Girls don't "date down", they simply date guys they know and fall in love. It's that simple. I've had at least 5 hot girls falling for me before just because we belonged to the same social world and spent enough time with each other. OK guy + time = voila!

Most girls and I mean vast majority regardless of their looks, they don't look for the biggest alpha superman bad ass deluxe, they don't calculate guys' SMV or shit like that. They just get with guys who are OK, who have something in common with them, who fit their world, who have BF potential, etc.

Looking at it from "game theory" perspective it might look like something is wrong because it says that "women go for a better deal" and emphasizes how common "hypergamy" is etc. But game theory is pretty much worthless, there is enough evidence against it in real life if we take a look around. And in real life people pair bond because of connection between them.

Compared to the U.S. that is dating down. If you removed all the Polish guys and replaced them with guys from SoCal, Texas, and Miami you would see the girls' attitudes and behaviors change overnight.

(09-22-2015 01:40 PM)SnowHugger Wrote:  How is the refugee situation in Wroclaw?
Looking to go there in November.

I can't comment on Wroclaw, but here in Gdansk, I'm pretty sure that I'm one of a handful of refugees ... from the poosy purgatory that is the West, that is

Wait, you're talking about the migrants ... None here in Gdansk. My guess is any migrants they send to Poland will just go to the West anyway, since as far as I understand, there's no generous welfare to collect here.

(09-22-2015 10:48 PM)262 Wrote:  Wait, you're talking about the migrants ... None here in Gdansk. My guess is any migrants they send to Poland will just go to the West anyway, since as far as I understand, there's no generous welfare to collect here.

There are a few already in Poland. Family of four gets a free housing, free food and 2500zl pocket money. So the financial incentives are almost on par with Germany. But places are likely more limited than in the West.

As far as XXL' claim goes that Game is not needed in most cases of life:

That is simply not true. The sexual market is alive and well always unless you are alone with a girl on a deserted island and she never knew another man. I see Game or lack of Game in multiple relationships of young men in Poland. Yes - the Beta dudes get cute girls here, but then they get shit-tested non-stop and fail most of them like a good momma's boy and girls resent that too. If the SMV did not exist, then the divorce rate would not be almost twice as high as in Italy.

Poland is what the US used to be maybe in the 1980s, but not even that since it's changing so fast. Yes - here you can be a moderately self-confident 22 year old IT student and get a cute 7 to commit to you. But that does not mean that the sexual market and Game is null and void. Girls are aware of their market value.

As I talked with Bojangles it was clear that our values were higher here than in the West. Plus for him he had a higher exotic value than in the UK. But you see - the reason he does so well and has a surplus of dates is because of the value he is bringing. He is a cool guy, not a tall extremely good-looking one who can rely on good-looking-guy Game. His look is optimized in an r-selected way, he conveys instantly Oxford English in the approach and I personally saw him n-close a cute blonde in a restaurant. That fact alone that he approaches girls in style and without fear puts him instantly in the 2% of the male category. Without Game and understanding of what women want he would struggle like most of the male world.

After a time you don't think about push-pull, cocky-funny, amused-mastery or the right wardrobe and style as learned Game. It is simply something you do in your life and it's how you deal with women. You don't do it only because it's what they want, but because it's more fun to deal with them that way. Game is how nature intended for men to talk to women. You can fight it all you want, but you won't change female nature and make them feel attracted en-masse to feeble SJW male feminists.

What is going on with Polish girls? I have been ghosted more here in recent months than my entire life in other countries. There is no rule. Girls of different age 22-30. Happens afere first date when I at least made out with them or after having sex a couple of times. I am starting to think there might be something wrong with me

Is it just me or do Polish girls have a habit of giving in and send you messages within 6 weeks of having no contact?

This week I got 2 from girls I met, one I smashed and another I went out with a few times. I have had a lot more than this over the years, but today it dawned on me that this is more than a coincidence.

Only one of the girls that sent me messages ended on what I would call bad terms. Most of them ended because I got bored, required too much effort, or wasn't into the girl at all. They almost always send a message like: "Hej! Co tam? "- aka hey, how are you? And usually add another question like are you in *insert city name*?

I'll be honest, I've never really followed up on these. Since I've always had options and there was a reason I went no contact in the first place. Another thing, none of these girls were above a 7.

Has anyone rented a car and driven from Prague to Wroclaw or Brastilava. How was the drive? Was it an easy drive? Is the train or bus (if any) a better option?

(09-23-2015 01:48 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  As far as XXL' claim goes that Game is not needed in most cases of life:

That is simply not true. The sexual market is alive and well always unless you are alone with a girl on a deserted island and she never knew another man. I see Game or lack of Game in multiple relationships of young men in Poland. Yes - the Beta dudes get cute girls here, but then they get shit-tested non-stop and fail most of them like a good momma's boy and girls resent that too. If the SMV did not exist, then the divorce rate would not be almost twice as high as in Italy.

I've never said that game is not needed. Quote me if you still think I did. All I said was that beautiful girls in PL pick guys they know and most of those guys don't have good game as we understand it.

And guess what, yes, I claim they don't really need game that much cause for the most part girls here are LTR oriented so they are forgiving. They want to hold it together. That's why even if their relationship stagnates or has a crisis they fight for it and want to work it out until it's clearly impossible. And guys know that. They know that their GF will not leave them just because they . That's the reason why failed a couple of shittests [that they are unconsciously of]. They know they have some room for mistakes and fuckups. And when shit looks really bad, you know what they do? They suddenly act very engaged and get super possessive and make their GFs stay with them using all kinds of methods. They act more nice and spend more time together or threaten them claiming they belong to them etc etc. It works cause their girls get much more attention [even in pathological way] so hope is alive. And that circle continues. That is the default standard.

Now some girls are strong willed and have more self respect so they don't date lame guys or they are able to leave their BF is they are unhappy. But most of them are not. Most of them are either single for very short period of time [due to lots of available guys they know from somewhere] or they are in the middle of their relationship which can be good or bad or whatever however since they're committed to it they want to make it work in the first place. That's why I said it's all about connection.

This is what I see here. I see no actual game. I see social circle dating, holding hands, falling in love, ups and downs, struggle to make it work, then proposing or breaking up.

I know that you guys are very excited that you "know game" but there are other, much more popular, ways to get girls known to men and that's how most of them do it.

I hope I provided a context for my alleged "claims".

Off to epic house party.

Good luck.

Kingtut, I have been on the roads a few years back. The Czech side is very easy, they have a highway most of the way. Once you get on the Polish side it gets trickier. You start in kudowa-zdroj, which is a small town, and are basically on a 1 lane country road the whole way to Wroclaw. You will occasionally have to drive through some towns. Id rate it about average difficulty, but if you're an experienced driver you should be fine.

(09-25-2015 01:25 PM)XXL Wrote:  I've never said that game is not needed. Quote me if you still think I did. All I said was that beautiful girls in PL pick guys they know and most of those guys don't have good game as we understand it.
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This is what I see here. I see no actual game. I see social circle dating, holding hands, falling in love, ups and downs, struggle to make it work, then proposing or breaking up.

I know that you guys are very excited that you "know game" but there are other, much more popular, ways to get girls known to men and that's how most of them do it.

Frankly I do not dispute your claims and see no reason for you to attack Game itself.

Of course you don't see solid learned Game with anyone since hardly anyone knows it. With some you see it more, because they exhibit a more Alpha attitude or are what one may call a Natural (someone who found out early what works on women and they are quasi Red Pill, but not quite).

As the rest is concerned - here a recent article by Heartiste:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/09/...indexters/

Quote:I am on record stating that the “assortative mating” phenomenon of late 20th-early 21st century America isn’t driven so much by women preferring smart Ivy nerds (or by men preferring smart Ivy nerdgirls, as HBD nerd-triumphalists like to claim) as it is driven by simple convenience: people tend to date whomever is readily available within their social milieu, which one could call a “dating market bottleneck”.

Ay - of course girls are on general going to date the men they meet in their social life. The few charming Day- and Nightgamers barely register even if some of the girls you witnessed may have fucked one or two guys you see posting here on the forum. Since those guys seldom are in conventional LTRs, then often women won't even talk about them.

Regardless of that - Game would benefit the seducer-wannabe as much as the Christian Alpha-provider who wants a strong lasting marriage for life. Probably the latter needs it more in our times.

And on another note - I don't know what you are talking about "more popular" methods of getting girls. Going to parties while being a student and getting to know girls - that is all wonderful - works great for a few years in your teens and early twenties. However the difference to that student would be instead of 2 lays in 4 years he might have 20-40 lays and with much more beautiful girls instead of 2 girlfriends who both might have cheated on him. Indeed - that is so much more "popular" - I've also heard that the Blue Pill is highly popular out there - guys should try it out sometime. That's essentially all you see out there.

University starts this week mostly. So be prepared. I was in Ikea this week end to buy some stuff and it was full of students buying furnitures.
Will be probably wild from Wednesday with the first student parties in town.

The improvement of the situation has been evident at least during the day, but still last weekend nights were not at the top as expected. Good news is that the invasion of staggers, etc. has finished, and the atmosphere is starting to improve in the night.
But in the same time Erasmus guys - mostly Spanish are now in town. Though, I don't regard Erasmus in a negative way since they act through social circles mainly and as residents maintain (generally) an appropriate behavior.
Last summer has been arguably the worst I have ever seen in terms of ratios in klubs, attitude, quality and staggers in the center.
But fortunately now it's over and for most of us the real summer is starting from the 1st of October

I didn't meet any erasmus guys out on Saturday. But I did meet about 20 erasmus girls all from Portugal and Spain.