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Zelcorpion 路 2015-08-12 04:24:00 路 #2354
I have an update on Sopot and the surrounding areas.

I did 9 day trip around the area recently - most spent on a motorboat around Hel and along the coast, but we did make some stops in Sopot.

I have been there a few times off-season and it wasn't so bad back then. But boy did we encounter some unforeseen problems.

First the good:

There is a new place in town called ZATOKA SZTUKI (bay of art) - we called it zatoka suki (bay of bitches). Both at the beach club below as well as the club THE ROOF on top of the building we saw the highest concentration of 8-9s in Poland ever. Also the club THE ROOF is a great place located right at the beach.

http://zatokasztukibeachclub.pl/theroof/

It is also one of the most expensive places in Poland, but only expensive for Polish standards. You can have a table for 5000zl, which includes alcohol for the same amount - a table can seat 12 people or a couple guys and some girls.

The place was surreal. You could see multiple 8-9s, several Polish minor celebrities, a few businessmen, former misses (one buddy of ours got excited over seeing Miss World 1992 - we were not since she was in her 50s and was sporting a mid 30s toyboy with her). Many guys were jacked, plenty were good-looking, some were quite wealthy even by international standards. But after a time you see what's up with the place:

+ many men there were either working selling drugs, illegal sexual performance enhancers (since the coke they sell is laced with massive amounts of amphetamines and gets you noodle-dick) or they make their money at pimping
+ it is not uncommon to see multiple guys enter the toilet together to snort some coke or talk about the next level Viagra - or they talk about doing a gang-bang together - probably after having talked with an escort at the club
+ 60% of the 8-9s there were escorts and unfortunately they were not the youngest either
+ we got approached multiple times by some girls asking us for some coke
+ 30% of the prettiest ones work at the club and 100% of them have boyfriends - we did our dirty deed nonetheless ("Boyfriend eh? You want to have a man?" or other such moves about being "discrete.) But it did not work despite getting numbers - was awkward sometimes as we saw them with their boyfriends 8 hours later in the morning. Those were the normal ones.
+ 2-10% at the most were some pretty girls who happened to come upon this strange establishment where supposedly the "elite of Poland" parties. When a normal non-working 8 stumbles into the place, then you have to strike fast. I can guarantee you that within 20 minutes there will be 2 guys on her who try their coke brains on her.

So essentially there was generally a lack of leads at the place. Actually that was the most basic tenet of Sopot itself. It's possible that it was better one day, but even at more regular clubs like ZLA KOBIETA, CZEKOLADA or EGO you could only get older women (30+) with apparent ease. The younger ones are of course available, but the logistics at night were terrible. The reason for this is that younger girls go out at night in groups and are usually from Gdansk. Several times we got our dates whisked away by their male rides, by their girlfriends etc.

During the day solo-girls are few and far in between. Any walk down Krakow, Wroclaw or Warsaw even during summer will give you 100 times more leads, since Sopot is so incredibly small. The prettiest cutest girls work at restaurants and clubs. They can be gamed, but they generally have boyfriends and are not corrupted enough to start fucking around on them (despite obvious temptations).

Maybe Sopot is better off-season and especially better if you don't mind banging 35+ year olds or banging escorts for coke and cash. My estimation is that the Sopot night life is better during student season, but even then it is nothing to brag about. Clubs like Zla Kobieta and the like will give you some leads, but given the fact that we like them young and unspoilt, the logistics are a tough sell.

During the day you have the occasional solo tourist, but those are very rare since Sopot is too expensive for many girls. My estimation is also that many young girls in summer work in the EU, to save some cash. It also seems to be recent development in Poland - the last 2-3 years. I also remember seeing some infield videos of good Polish pro PUAs, which were done in Sopot a few years ago. Some clubs back then were packed in summer while now those terraces (around Czekolada) are closed. They are actually closed so that means that Sopot nightlife in summer has become way more quiet in recent times. If RSD is doing bootcamps there, then they haven't gotten the message that the place has changed.

So they either visit their parents, work away from Poland, travel on the cheap (also away from Poland). The rarest breed visits Sopot for R&R. I am sure that quite a few strippers and escorts eat their breakfast at the Zatoka Sztuki and you can game them if you are into fake lips, fake tits and a fake smile coming from some dead shark-eyes.

But generally you have to travel far and wide for the occasional cute girl - something that is all prevalent during Daygame in other cities in summer. When we returned to Warsaw later and saw the plentiful pussy buffet spread out before us in the busy streets - we heaved a sigh of relief. The Polish beaches are good for sightseeing, but for Game there are better places.

As I mentioned before - been there off season and while there were less girls, those that came to Sopot were more willing to fuck. Strangely also some clubs were more packed than in summer probably due to local student girls which were lacking during peak season. Though to be fair if you invest 5k in some coke, you could probably get laid via coke game, but it won't be cheap and gets into the P4P territory (though not quite).
spalex 路 2015-08-13 04:06:00 路 #2355
Yeah I go to Sopot about 10 times per year. I agree that it is good for looking at girls, and not much else. You can have some fun out in the bars and clubs with your mates if you are not too fussed about picking up, but its very expensive.
It is actually the only place that is EXACTLY like my home town in Sydney (Cronulla), Nice place, shit people.
Plus, its not really a place where single girls will go for a weekend trip. Actually none of the beach spots are. Polish cultures dictates that this is only a thing that couples do alone or with other couples. Even if you go to 艁eba or 艢winouj艣cie its just couples and fat / hideous people.
Your only hope is that if you find some girls that actually live in Sopot, Gdansk or Gdynia. But the problem with that is that if they are going out in Sopot, then they are only looking for some rich Polish guys. Otherwise they would be going to better places in the area that us tourists don't know about.
Zelcorpion 路 2015-08-13 04:45:00 路 #2356
(08-13-2015 04:06 AM)spalex Wrote:  Yeah I go to Sopot about 10 times per year. I agree that it is good for looking at girls, and not much else. You can have some fun out in the bars and clubs with your mates if you are not too fussed about picking up, but its very expensive.
It is actually the only place that is EXACTLY like my home town in Sydney (Cronulla), Nice place, shit people.
Plus, its not really a place where single girls will go for a weekend trip. Actually none of the beach spots are. Polish cultures dictates that this is only a thing that couples do alone or with other couples. Even if you go to 艁eba or 艢winouj艣cie its just couples and fat / hideous people.
Your only hope is that if you find some girls that actually live in Sopot, Gdansk or Gdynia. But the problem with that is that if they are going out in Sopot, then they are only looking for some rich Polish guys. Otherwise they would be going to better places in the area that us tourists don't know about.

That's what we noticed too. One girl even visibly squirmed when one of us told them he is from Switzerland. She probably thought: "What good is the bloke in Switzerland to me? I need a sugardaddy here."

But the waitresses were cool and reacted normally as most girls in their party years with a foreign-dick-is-different-dick smile.

Poland is a home party (impreza) culture. They even call certain students and hot girls "imprezowicze", because they are going to parties non-stop. You can either meet them on the street during Day Game or you have access to parties hosted by celebs, wealthy people, connector students etc.

One long-term Game plan in Poland in fact could look like establishing your luxury pad as an insider party location, but that takes great logistics and a couple thousand dollars a month in expenses. I met 2 local guys (one mini celeb and another one just born wealthy) who did that. Unfortunately only got invited once - probably did not help that I hit on his girlfriend (he was not monogamous - fucked multiple girls at the party). I have heard stories of orgies at those places - everyone fucking everyone and the owner fucking every girl twice.

I wonder if it's still a certain morality which holds Polish girls back from clubs and night life. It's as I observed to a friend: "Polish girls prefer to do 1000 Dubai trips in secret than to post one amateur porn video online. Czech & American girls for example are the reverse."
zuma 路 2015-08-13 11:07:00 路 #2357
I was in Gdansk last week, but I spent one day in Sopot.

For what a polish friend told me, there is a lot of people from Warsaw, it's not so far by car/train. Meaning you have all the worst in terms of westernisation, behaviours. I barely saw girls alone, it was mostly couples, families or group of mixed friends.
The quality was from the worst to the best I have ever seen. It's really a mix of everything, from the fat hipster tattooed girl to the model look girl.

Typical girl from Warsaw in Sopot :

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The expensive place mentioned. I was there in the morning, took a coffee and an orange juice, 28 zl. Lot of hot girls 25-35. And guys of course.

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262 路 2015-08-13 14:38:00 路 #2358
(08-13-2015 04:06 AM)spalex Wrote:  Your only hope is that if you find some girls that actually live in Sopot, Gdansk or Gdynia. But the problem with that is that if they are going out in Sopot, then they are only looking for some rich Polish guys.

My Polish wing in Sopot said this too. Wasn't sure about it then, but now with what spalex and zel are saying, it seems we've established a pattern.

The other possibility is that said local girls are looking for exotic-looking guys, which I can't complain about, and did sometimes find. "What can brown do for you?" ;-) (an old UPS slogan for those that don't know/remember from the US)
zeitgeist 路 2015-08-15 16:10:00 路 #2359
(08-13-2015 02:38 PM)262 Wrote:  The other possibility is that said local girls are looking for exotic-looking guys, which I can't complain about, and did sometimes find. "What can brown do for you?" ;-) (an old UPS slogan for those that don't know/remember from the US)

Many of the Polish women I talk to are not fans of 'brown.' In fact, they greatly dislike it in their country... There are some sure but they are generally stereotypes as a certain type (much like in the USA).
262 路 2015-08-16 00:47:00 路 #2360
(08-15-2015 04:10 PM)zeitgeist Wrote:  Many of the Polish women I talk to are not fans of 'brown.' In fact, they greatly dislike it in their country... There are some sure but they are generally stereotypes as a certain type (much like in the USA).

To all my brown brothers - don't let this keep you away from Poland. Poland is much better for brown guys - or any guys for that matter - than the US.

That being said, you still need to bring value (lift, dress, body language, etc) and put in time and effort to get results. But the return on your investment in Poland will be higher than in the US. It was for me ;-)

Is every Polish girl going to like you? No. But if your experience is like mine, more Polish girls will like you per unit of effort than American girls. Spoof your Tinder location to Poland to get a glimpse.

bojangles (an Indian guy raised in England and Krauser's friend if I recall correctly) reported even more success than me there: http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-5000-p...#pid423371

Finally, and most importantly, SEE FOR YOURSELF. Visit Poland. Unless you believe everything you read on the Internet. In which case I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale ...
Zelcorpion 路 2015-08-16 03:51:00 路 #2361
Quote:I went there last January(2012), there was lots of snow, so no sex tourists at all but I've heard from the girls there's a lot of foreign men around in the summer. Winter is cold and that's why I like going there then to be honest, there's a lot of girls with fuck all to do then and it's easy to do 3 nights 3 lays.

Bojangles went in winter. I was there in cold weather of may and it was better then. Winter might be even superior as only the local girls go and those that visit the night clubs actually want to fuck. Best thing is to find out for yourself.

As far as Polish girl liking or not liking more "southern" looks. I have seen so many black guys pull in Poland myself, that I think that everyone can do so. I talked with several strippers once and they said that roughly 10-15% are having kids with black guys.

But yes - Polish girls likely won't date you, but they will want to experience "dark meat" at least once so for short-term mating it may be a plus. Or to put it differently: those that like you for your race are going to make seduction easy for you. Aside from that they are women and react to the usual value cues like all others. With enough display of value, Game and Alpha state women are set to be attracted to you if you are her type at least to some degree.
262 路 2015-08-16 07:18:00 路 #2362
Let's not forget the catch with getting information from women (of any race): they, more than men, tend to say one thing, and do another. We all know the classic examples:

"I never do this"
"I've only done it X times"
"I'm a good girl"

So it could easily be:
"I never date Y"

Edit: Just gonna leave this here: "Everyone Is Hoping That You鈥檒l Fail" - http://www.rooshv.com/everyone-is-hoping...youll-fail
NewMeta 路 2015-08-18 12:14:00 路 #2363
I want to spend a month in Wroclaw in November if my finance holds steady. Can anyone recommend any decent estate agents that would allow me a short term let for a month?
262 路 2015-08-18 13:41:00 路 #2364
(08-18-2015 12:14 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  I want to spend a month in Wroclaw in November if my finance holds steady. Can anyone recommend any decent estate agents that would allow me a short term let for a month?

Why not use AirBnB? Unless you're looking for something cheaper (I wouldn't know where to look).
Amsterdamned 路 2015-08-18 13:45:00 路 #2365
(08-18-2015 12:14 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  I want to spend a month in Wroclaw in November if my finance holds steady. Can anyone recommend any decent estate agents that would allow me a short term let for a month?

if you are on a budget and don't want to pay the double price ,your best bet is Airbnb .
NewMeta 路 2015-08-18 15:56:00 路 #2366
(08-18-2015 01:45 PM)Amsterdamned Wrote:  
(08-18-2015 12:14 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  I want to spend a month in Wroclaw in November if my finance holds steady. Can anyone recommend any decent estate agents that would allow me a short term let for a month?

if you are on a budget and don't want to pay the double price ,your best bet is Airbnb .

Really? figured a monthly rental would end up cheaper, Airbnb charges per day right?
Amsterdamned 路 2015-08-18 18:18:00 路 #2367
(08-18-2015 03:56 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  
(08-18-2015 01:45 PM)Amsterdamned Wrote:  
(08-18-2015 12:14 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  I want to spend a month in Wroclaw in November if my finance holds steady. Can anyone recommend any decent estate agents that would allow me a short term let for a month?

if you are on a budget and don't want to pay the double price ,your best bet is Airbnb .

Really? figured a monthly rental would end up cheaper, Airbnb charges per day right?

just fill in your date for exactly 1 month and you will see the monthly offers,not all of them offer it but most of them do it .you can always negotiate the price by contacting the owner .

i checked some apartments,and it's very expensive .. the cheapest right in the center for next month is 950 euro .
Pokerbaby 路 2015-08-19 00:18:00 路 #2368
Here's a site I found...

http://www.oferty.net/
Zelcorpion 路 2015-08-19 02:58:00 路 #2369
(08-18-2015 12:14 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  I want to spend a month in Wroclaw in November if my finance holds steady. Can anyone recommend any decent estate agents that would allow me a short term let for a month?

http://mieszkania.trovit.pl/index.php/co...c%C5%82aw/

http://mieszkanie.mitula.com.pl/wynajem-...oc%C5%82aw

Those sites offer short-term lets from one month to 6 months - you gotta check the offer each. Some ads are in English while others only in Polish - that way you get the better offers instead of looking only in English which is offered to tourists only.
NewMeta 路 2015-08-19 09:39:00 路 #2370
Thanks for the responses guys, ill check them all out soon enough.
bojangles 路 2015-08-22 09:24:00 路 #2371
Anyone in krakow? Shoot me a PM
EuroSlumming 路 2015-08-22 10:37:00 路 #2372
(08-19-2015 09:39 AM)NewMeta Wrote:  Thanks for the responses guys, ill check them all out soon enough.

What I always do is search for my time period then send out a standard message to all of them such as this:

Hi I'm (name) from (place) I will be visiting (city) for these dates. Your apartment looks really nice and you have some good reviews. Can you tell me if it's available for these dates and if you're flexible on the price?

Also can you tell me if it is quiet and safe in the area where it is located? - or some other question about the apartment just to put them a little on the defensive.

Most times they will come back telling you it is available and either offer you a reduced price or ask what you're willing to pay.

The longer your booking the more flexible the host is. You can also suggest booking through AirBnB for the first few days and paying the rest in cash when you arrive - this is what I did for my current place.
bojangles 路 2015-08-22 11:04:00 路 #2373
I'll give you a tip, I just got a short term rental for half price.

Basically compose your message as such

Hey, I'm " " and I'm looking to stay in "location" for the following dates - "blah" to "blah". I really like the look of your apartment/flat/cardboard box and it seems well kept. Is the area safe and secure? What's your flexibility on prices? My budget for this stay is "50% of what they are asking". Thanks "name"

Right you can send this to many hosts. The thing is most of them would rather have it occupied at a price than unoccupied. So you'll get a few refusals, you'll get a few send offers and a few prepared to give it for 50%. I've done this across europe, good luck mate.
NewMeta 路 2015-08-22 11:39:00 路 #2374
(08-22-2015 11:04 AM)bojangles Wrote:  I'll give you a tip, I just got a short term rental for half price.

Basically compose your message as such

Hey, I'm " " and I'm looking to stay in "location" for the following dates - "blah" to "blah". I really like the look of your apartment/flat/cardboard box and it seems well kept. Is the area safe and secure? What's your flexibility on prices? My budget for this stay is "50% of what they are asking". Thanks "name"

Right you can send this to many hosts. The thing is most of them would rather have it occupied at a price than unoccupied. So you'll get a few refusals, you'll get a few send offers and a few prepared to give it for 50%. I've done this across europe, good luck mate.

Love the idea. Thanks dude.
xerxes 路 2015-08-23 09:55:00 路 #2375
Anyone im Wroclaw? Hit me a PM for some awesome time Smile
melina 路 2015-08-25 02:00:00 路 #2376
Few things I left out.

I was told Polish girls love America (whatever that means) so being an American guy you could have an advantage over the local men. American guys are supposedly 3rd to Italian and Latin men according Polish girls on the Polish forum I posted.

You might try to open with "Cze艣膰, Jestem Amerykaninem" pronounced.... Chi-shh-tsh, Yes-Tem Amair-e-con-knee-nem ... roll the r. Meaning, "Hi, I'm American" this should peak her interest. Not only does she now know you're American but I was told Polish people LOVE when foreigners try to speak their language because of how tough it is, this will be good in keeping a conversation going, she will be happy to teach you some words in Polish. Cze艣膰 is hard to say at first, I would youtube it and listen and listen and listen some more. And trust me Polish is fucking hard. Just listen to the alphabet and some sentences - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJI6JDAxUd4 <---yeah...

When Polish girls speak English, my god is it sexy. Roosh you will especially love hearing them say RRRoosh with that rolling of the r lol.

I hope you like Techno/House/Trance, that's what they play in most clubs. Here is an exceptionally good Polish Techno song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HOd9mpGeZs

And here is an exceptionally hot polish porn star Kasia (kasha) - tube8 or here <-- trust me you will fap to this at least 30 times in the next week.
Rocha 路 2015-08-25 06:49:00 路 #2377
(08-25-2015 02:00 AM)melina Wrote:  Few things I left out.

I was told Polish girls love America (whatever that means) so being an American guy you could have an advantage over the local men. American guys are supposedly 3rd to Italian and Latin men according Polish girls on the Polish forum I posted.

You might try to open with "Cze艣膰, Jestem Amerykaninem" pronounced.... Chi-shh-tsh, Yes-Tem Amair-e-con-knee-nem ... roll the r. Meaning, "Hi, I'm American" this should peak her interest. Not only does she now know you're American but I was told Polish people LOVE when foreigners try to speak their language because of how tough it is, this will be good in keeping a conversation going, she will be happy to teach you some words in Polish. Cze艣膰 is hard to say at first, I would youtube it and listen and listen and listen some more. And trust me Polish is fucking hard. Just listen to the alphabet and some sentences - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJI6JDAxUd4 <---yeah...

When Polish girls speak English, my god is it sexy. Roosh you will especially love hearing them say RRRoosh with that rolling of the r lol.

I hope you like Techno/House/Trance, that's what they play in most clubs. Here is an exceptionally good Polish Techno song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HOd9mpGeZs

And here is an exceptionally hot polish porn star Kasia (kasha) - tube8 or here <-- trust me you will fap to this at least 30 times in the next week.

Yeah...I am sure they will throw themselves at my feet after saying that sentence...
Next time I am in Poland I will train before an american accent, and the phrase that here is so well deconstructed.

western commercial music and EDM as far I remember was the norm, and the porn star I trust you but thanks but no thanks, I am trying to quit.
lido 路 2015-08-25 08:24:00 路 #2378
(08-25-2015 02:00 AM)melina Wrote:  And here is an exceptionally hot polish porn star Kasia (kasha) -
<-- trust me you will fap to this at least 30 times in the next week.

This is the most hyped up first post I read on this thread Smile)

Roosh describes the reality of Poland much more in detail here:

http://www.rooshv.com/5-reasons-why-you-...-to-poland
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