(11-26-2012 09:47 AM)bojangles Wrote:  the last time i visited Gdansk earlier in the year (January) amidst the snow I still had 2 SNL's from a 4 night stay, so maybe guys venture up there to Gdansk (i was predominantly in Sopot).

It's funny how being of Far East Asian like myself or in your case South Asian descent will get you long ways in Poland with even ok game, haha. It's really the benefit of the doubt we get despite possessing more of a westernized upbringing.

How would you say the overall vibe in Gdansk/Sopot is during non-peak season and colder months though and what a typical gaming strategy would be in that area? Thx!

Bros, I'm heading to Wroclaw and Krakow within a week. If anyone wants to meet up just pm.

I invited a polish girl to stay with me in Athens (communication only in polish) and the situation is weird.Strange very strange.

(11-26-2012 10:14 AM)XXL Wrote:  Not even clique-ich per se. People might be open.. until they're not.

Thing is, If I live in my home town ain't nobody fucking with my clique either way, especially outsider, that's just given, I got my homies so there's no need to be all possessive and guard/isolate my peer group hard. When I see you getting too close/flirty with my girls [who are not mine but you know what I mean] I just keep an eye on at first. You're kind of being tolerated but not welcome. It's like "yeah yeah ok cool dude good luck [and fuck off now]". Maybe bit later I signal you to give up, just subtly, cause in my eyes you have no chance in potential confrontation, maybe I use you for some entertainment. Shit like that. On the surface you feel like you're kind of befriending me. But you're very wrong. My girls might be cool with you, you're new guy, they get stimulated, it's fun for them. But not me. And my homies.

It happened to me. I was thinking that I was getting somewhere until my cousin told me I was 10 minutes away of getting dragged outside. Ooops. If you happen to meet more weak polite guys then there is always some mean girl in group that can sniff some foreign bad intentions haha.

Conclusion..
For 1st tier cities.. it's the city that is harder to crack
For 2nd/3rd tier cities.. it's the girls that are harder to crack

Choose your destiny

I don't understand why guys are so possessive of girls in their group that they are not even fucking...

I don't give a fuck who hookups with female friends of mine. If a random dude approaches them its none of my business unless the chick has a boyfriend who is good friends with me.

The whole idea of protecting your flock is bullshit and pisses me off. Maybe its because I"m always approaching and I hate guys who cockblock me with girls who they are not even dating. It comes from such a scarcity mindset.

The more dudes cockblock each other, the less sex dudes have.

Quote:On the surface you feel like you're kind of befriending me. But you're very wrong. My girls might be cool with you, you're new guy, they get stimulated, it's fun for them. But not me. And my homies.

And what are you going to do? Start a fight?

No, you'll do some weak ass cockblock like every other jealous Polish guy does. Some strategy you got there.

(11-26-2012 07:38 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:On the surface you feel like you're kind of befriending me. But you're very wrong. My girls might be cool with you, you're new guy, they get stimulated, it's fun for them. But not me. And my homies.

And what are you going to do? Start a fight?

No, you'll do some weak ass cockblock like every other jealous Polish guy does. Some strategy you got there.

Roosh, it sounds like he would start a fight because he has his gang of homies. heh

Any problem with groups acting stupid like the post you quoted?

Lol at XXL admitting that he's a hater and cock block.

(11-26-2012 10:14 AM)XXL Wrote:  Not even clique-ich per se. People might be open.. until they're not.

Thing is, If I live in my home town ain't nobody fucking with my clique either way, especially outsider, that's just given, I got my homies so there's no need to be all possessive and guard/isolate my peer group hard. When I see you getting too close/flirty with my girls [who are not mine but you know what I mean] I just keep an eye on at first. You're kind of being tolerated but not welcome. It's like "yeah yeah ok cool dude good luck [and fuck off now]". Maybe bit later I signal you to give up, just subtly, cause in my eyes you have no chance in potential confrontation, maybe I use you for some entertainment. Shit like that. On the surface you feel like you're kind of befriending me. But you're very wrong. My girls might be cool with you, you're new guy, they get stimulated, it's fun for them. But not me. And my homies.

It happened to me. I was thinking that I was getting somewhere until my cousin told me I was 10 minutes away of getting dragged outside. Ooops. If you happen to meet more weak polite guys then there is always some mean girl in group that can sniff some foreign bad intentions haha.

Conclusion..
For 1st tier cities.. it's the city that is harder to crack
For 2nd/3rd tier cities.. it's the girls that are harder to crack

Choose your destiny

I can't decide which of these I'd rather use, they are both so applicable:

I'm still laughing

(11-26-2012 07:38 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:On the surface you feel like you're kind of befriending me. But you're very wrong. My girls might be cool with you, you're new guy, they get stimulated, it's fun for them. But not me. And my homies.

And what are you going to do? Start a fight?

No, you'll do some weak ass cockblock like every other jealous Polish guy does. Some strategy you got there.

Well, what would guys in any country do? Probably the same, including Americans. Except for maybe drunk Brits who are looking for a fight anyway and are too smashed to care about arrest.

Jeez... are you guys kind of slow?

I was wrote it from the cockblock perspective, AS IF I was that small town fucker that you want to outgame and take his girls, to illustrate what you can expect [I befriended some of them few times I know their point of view]. As I said, I also had problems with this kind of cockblocking. I tried to put myself in his role.


Q&A:

I don't understand why guys are so possessive of girls in their group that they are not even fucking...
Oh boy, this planet that you're from? How far from the sun we talking? Look around. You need to understand that nobody actively creates their social life and there are limited options in such places. Don't you think that these 2 factors can make guys a bit.. hm.. possessive/territorial? Of course! Wake up dudes!! Like really open your eyes and use your head, ok? You really think that if a regular guy has a company of 5-7 girl with him in his small fucking town where there are 50-100 decent girls, DO YOU REALLY THINK HE WILL JUST STAND THERE AND PASSIVELY LET YOU GAME "HIS" GIRLS AND WATCH YOU DISAPPEARING INTO THE NIGHT WITH THEM? Haha.. not just "no"... FUCK NO!

And what are you going to do? Start a fight?
Believe me, guys have more than enough ways to handle you, with or without your cooperation, but it's USUALLY THEN YOU CROSS *THEIR* PERSONAL LINE that you have no idea where it is. Just keep that in mind. The smaller the town the more under the radar you gotta fly.


True story
Cockblocks guys saw me talking and flirting with "their" girl friends and "tolerated" me clearly keeping their eye on me [even though my female cousin with me was friends with these girls so I thought I'm *in*... yeah right]. Then the next day I went to the house of one of the girls walking through their neighbourhood in the middle of the summer day. Next day I was out with my male cousin the meathead cockblock approached me asking "I saw you talking to that girl..." and I said yeah we're just talking it's nothing blablaba and my cousin disarmed the guy [who had his buddies somewhere near] and we rolled off. When we came back to my house my cousin told me I was lucky [that day I went to girl's house] cause I could have easily get jumped in that neighbourhood just by clearly heading to the girl's house on my own and getting in. Oops.

The overall level of obliviousness is shocking. We're talking about small town for fucks sake, the land of needy meatheads, gossips, connections, etc.

PS. I'm native but small town outsider too btw.

> Be aware of where you are <

It doesn't matter how cool / social / non needy / open minded / independent / etc you are. You're now among people who are not like that for the most part. Don't be surprised if you see some weird behavior like "guys being possessive of girls in their group that they are not even fucking" drowning in scarcity cause TO THEM in THAT PLACE it's not weird. They don't get that. They didn't educate themselves about women. They don't know. And what's more, Poland is rather conservative country, the smaller the city/town the more it gets. Adapt or die.

Do you see what am I trying to portray here?

Can you imagine some meathead trying to get a cute girl from his social circle for weeks/months while she's making him wait and leading him on, he talks about it with his good buddies who would kill for him, he feels like he's so close he can taste it and then some fucking stranger dude from nowhere [or even worse from his perspective, a foreigner] starts weaseling in "his" girl pants, can you really see how fucking pissed he would feel? Don't you think that he would do anything to protect his investment? Come on, just put yourself in his shoes. I mean, you have if you really want to outgame him and get somewhere in small towns, unless you have some "ace up your sleeve" method I'm not aware of.

Or even take day game for example, the cute girl is on her own, you're both talking in front of the shop she came out of, she's getting too comfortable with you cause you're cool and funny and then some fucking sales clerk sees that and she knows that meathead is dating her buying her shit so she calls her friends to gossip about what's happening.. Hmm.. good luck mr. seducer.

Just to make it clear, I totally fucking hate that white knight / dog-in-the-manger attitude. But I'm not surprised when I see it.

Fin

XXL sums that 'small town' mentality up perfectly. Not just small town, but small city. I'm in a city of total pop 250,000 and everyone is like this. Everyone.

As an outsider, it's tougher than nails (for me) to get in with the 'establishment.'

I will be in Warsaw during this weekend (friday - saturday - sunday) just for hunting.
Please recommend some high class clubs or bars to try my chance if I seduce and pick solid 8, 9 or 10???
All I trust myself and my wallet

(11-26-2012 10:14 AM)XXL Wrote:  Not even clique-ich per se. People might be open.. until they're not.

Thing is, If I live in my home town ain't nobody fucking with my clique either way, especially outsider, that's just given, I got my homies so there's no need to be all possessive and guard/isolate my peer group hard. When I see you getting too close/flirty with my girls [who are not mine but you know what I mean] I just keep an eye on at first. You're kind of being tolerated but not welcome. It's like "yeah yeah ok cool dude good luck [and fuck off now]". Maybe bit later I signal you to give up, just subtly, cause in my eyes you have no chance in potential confrontation, maybe I use you for some entertainment. Shit like that. On the surface you feel like you're kind of befriending me. But you're very wrong. My girls might be cool with you, you're new guy, they get stimulated, it's fun for them. But not me. And my homies.

It happened to me. I was thinking that I was getting somewhere until my cousin told me I was 10 minutes away of getting dragged outside. Ooops. If you happen to meet more weak polite guys then there is always some mean girl in group that can sniff some foreign bad intentions haha.

Conclusion..
For 1st tier cities.. it's the city that is harder to crack
For 2nd/3rd tier cities.. it's the girls that are harder to crack

Choose your destiny

Yet another reason to daygame and avoid local shitholes at night.

Alright guys I'm going underground. I'll share more details about Poland/Europe when I'm ready.

(11-27-2012 10:34 AM)eldorado Wrote:  I will be in Warsaw during this weekend (friday - saturday - sunday) just for hunting.
Please recommend some high class clubs or bars to try my chance if I seduce and pick solid 8, 9 or 10???
All I trust myself and my wallet

There is plenty of information on Warsaw on the forum- you need to do a search and read through, no point anyone repeating existing excellent information

Gadabout hows it going in Krakow...any better?

Perhaps a new strategy is all the Polish chics working in Coffee shops back in the UK

Who here has been in Gdansk in the summer?

Ha classic Enfield. Love it
And no... it's not getting any better. There are so many things wrong with this place I don't even know where to begin. It is a really beautiful city though and pleasant to walk around.
But It's Friday night and I don't even think I can face it... so things must be bad.
Highlight of last night - watched a full on bitch brawl by 2 tall blondes in the middle of the dance floor. Actually gave me a semi
Lowlight - going to be a place called Kitch where I was approached by more 1's than you can shake a stick at.

Anyone been to Taawa Club?

(11-29-2012 06:52 PM)EU Explorer Wrote:  Gadabout hows it going in Krakow...any better?

Perhaps a new strategy is all the Polish chics working in Coffee shops back in the UK

What are the most wrong things with this place?

There is no point in hating on Krakow because I really don't mind it. It's very liveable and I really like the laid back cafe, bar culture here. This is not the sought of place you can swoop in for a week and expect to sleep with beautiful Polish girls. Just ain't gonna happen. I met 2 women in my time here that I was into who were both open to dating me. I didn't want to lie so unfortunately I had to release them back into the water by telling the truth that I would be gone in a few days hoping it might encourage a SNL.
I have learnt I will not spend anything less than 2-3 months in any one country from now on. There is just no point unless you just want to go out every night get drunk and try to sleep with average girls. Its just not me anymore and that is why I found my time here so un-agreeable.
XXL the clubs you listed are indeed the most popular venues and frequented most of them and a few more. To be honest it doesn't make a difference where you go because they are all exactly the same.The trick is to go to them on their least popular nights... otherwise it's just a horrible cock infested mosh pit.
In terms of the actual clubs the biggest problem I found was just bad layouts. They are just converted cellars never designed to be nightclubs. Normally you'd find a bar with guys filling themselves with beer and then a dance floor in another part of the venue. This is where all the girls are dancing. More often than not i'd see a group or girls arrive, put their coats away hit the dance floor for 3 hours then just leave. Not even a drink! They sit close together and do not leave each others side. I'd just watch guy after guy being rejected without hesitation. Some of these girls might as well have 'Do not approach' tattooed on their foreheads. The whole thing just feels really in-conducive to social interaction.
I must point out at this point I do not like dancing to shit music and approaching on dance floors is impossible. It's loud and it's messy.

The other 2 problems I recognised go hand in hand.... Terrible ratios and relentless cock blocking from jealous Polish guys (not even boyfriends!). I must point out this is only with the 7+ girls. 5, 6's are much more approachable if they are not in a group which they probably will be and then her friend will cock block you.
Favourite place was Prozac bar. Never too busy, I can hang at the bar, some nice girls and great music on Friday night . Any club that plays doggystyle is alright by me
Thank god I already have some quality Polish flags under my belt otherwise I probably be pretty pissed.

Clubs are messy. From what you wrote it seems like regular scenario to me. Keep in mind that people go to clubs to have fun and relax with their friends, socializing with strangers is not priority.

(11-29-2012 08:11 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Who here has been in Gdansk in the summer?

I have mate, I spent a week in the sun in Sopot, hanging on the beach and in the bars/clubs on Monte cassino.

(11-28-2012 10:59 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Alright guys I'm going underground. I'll share more details about Poland/Europe when I'm ready.