(11-18-2012 06:16 PM)EU Explorer Wrote:  

(11-18-2012 01:19 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  It is true that polish girls forgive a lot of imperfections.I have seen tons of them in Greece dating way inferior looking guys(very often old,ugly,married Greeks or very poor average looking immigrants).I recently asked one of my girlfriends why her friend dates so ugly guys(she is beautiful,blonde) and she told me she cannot understand.She also asked her this question and she answered:''Because I love him.''Let's say in some ways polish women are shot in the head they operate in strange ways(for example when an ugly,poor and not very intelligent guy is preferred over a young,rich,intelligent guy fully in girl's understanding).There is a complex mechanism behind this which we may as well contribute to the general inferiority complex of polish girls(you can also call it ''down to earth'',not demanding etc).

Many of them are also open to money propositions meaning the sweet girl you think you nailed with your charm will go straight to the old guy after you to extract some cash for her loan telling how much she loves him.In this case I use Balkan ignorance not call her on that,play the romantic guy who is blind to the girl's deceptions.

Also a polish girl's ex is never exactly ex(meaning they have sex from time to time) so they keep a harem of boyfriends which you should be aware of.A very large percentage of them are in relationships(since they have very low standards for guys) but are open to any proposition(they are ready to jump tree and dump their boyfriend).The whole issue is the presentation how you carry yourself.They also suppose that if you belong to a certain age(older than 30) you are married 100% if you have some minimum value(like it is the case in Poland) so you play the same game as them.It is the reason they have very low level of guilt although there can be some remorse.This is the reason they can so blatantly lie in your face in some cases.(they suppose you also lie often).Generally polish girls have no shame in the protestant,western way.From western view they are very unreliable and the western world condemns them as low class hoes.
So in some cases they tend to avoid western guys in order no to feel beta and not appreciated.I could write columns about that,they are complicated and I can never describe them accurately from all points of view.

Kamaki I must have been lucky so far because your experiences with Polish girls are completely different to my own. Regarding the looks thing I think it relates to what they are used to.

Perhaps you are lucky or maybe you didn't have enough time to get inside the personal spaces of some Polish gals like some of us have. Lot of the stuff he's staying is very true about ex's, concealing the past, and perhaps avoiding western men while thinking less of themselves. Then again I don't think it's wrong for them to conceal their pasts, get around, etc bc that's the type of lifestyle I prefer to lead minus the serious relationship thing.

Only thing I haven't been able to relate to yet are Polish women asking me for money or expecting to me to pay for every little thing...I experienced that in Brazil with one chick though, lol.

Polish people HATE Americans, Period.

I roll into Orginisma club in Warsaw on a Sunday night.

I find the club fairly packed with people, and a decent number of cute blonde girls at the bar. I post up with a few shots of vodka and lemon slices at my disposal.

As a warm-up approach I start stalking to a tall, 4/10 blonde girl, the only girl in my direct vicinity. Her attraction was palpable as she leaned into me asking questions.

After a few minutes into conversation came the winner:

"I fucking hate americans". Her exact words.

"they are so simple minded, so black and white".

"I spent 3 years in England....." and on and on it went.

I told her it wasn't true, but she persisted.

She kept going on about how she hated Americans. It galled me so much I just shook my head at her and went to the other side of the bar, waving my hands.

She didn't seem to care.

After a few minutes I found myself in the company of a blonde 7 with a tight body. In the middle of a decent conversation I asked her if polish people liked americans. She winced, and told me it wasn't so.

I have never found a single polish person who has had a favorable view of America. Never.

Moral of the story is: polish people HATE americans. Period.

What I "love" most about these conversations, is the complete lack of empathy or concern for the person they are talking to. Polish people are some of the rudest people I have ever met on this planet. They will directly insult the person they are talking to, and simultaneously pretend nothing has happened.

Ironically, Polish people have EXTREMELY thin skin when it comes to nationalism, and even personal matters. Polish people know how to dish it out, but they simply can't take it.


Polish people are some of the rudest people I have ever met in my life.

I believe Mixx is also in Poland. If him and Roosh meet, I wonder if they will hug and make up, or ruthlessly try to cock block each other all night long?

(11-18-2012 09:21 PM)Rurik Wrote:  After a few minutes I found myself in the company of a blonde 7 with a tight body. In the middle of a decent conversation I asked her if polish people liked americans. She winced, and told me it wasn't so.

I have never found a single polish person who has had a favorable view of America. Never.

Moral of the story is: polish people HATE americans. Period.

Why are you going around asking women if they like Americans?

(11-18-2012 09:38 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(11-18-2012 09:21 PM)Rurik Wrote:  After a few minutes I found myself in the company of a blonde 7 with a tight body. In the middle of a decent conversation I asked her if polish people liked americans. She winced, and told me it wasn't so.

I have never found a single polish person who has had a favorable view of America. Never.

Moral of the story is: polish people HATE americans. Period.

Why are you going around asking women if they like Americans?

Frankly dude, Polish people don't like Americans. For the most part, they don't like outsiders, but their favorites are Brits. When it comes to women, being tanned skinned is the most important, even being black is an advantage.

If you haven't been to Poland yourself, then you really don't understand. Most of the time, women themselves bring up how they hate america, even in interactions that are going well.

(11-18-2012 09:47 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

(11-18-2012 09:38 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(11-18-2012 09:21 PM)Rurik Wrote:  After a few minutes I found myself in the company of a blonde 7 with a tight body. In the middle of a decent conversation I asked her if polish people liked americans. She winced, and told me it wasn't so.

I have never found a single polish person who has had a favorable view of America. Never.

Moral of the story is: polish people HATE americans. Period.

Why are you going around asking women if they like Americans?

Frankly dude, Polish people don't like Americans. For the most part, they don't like outsiders, but their favorites are Brits. When it comes to women, being tanned skinned is the most important, even being black is an advantage.

If you haven't been to Poland yourself, then you really don't understand. Most of the time, women themselves bring up how they hate america, even in interactions that are going well.

Rurik I can confirm Polish people do mainly seem to like us Brits (aside of the stag crew brigade) but was unaware of any anti american feeling and really hope these are isolated incidents for you. It will be interesting to see what others Americans think.

(11-18-2012 09:56 PM)EU Explorer Wrote:  

(11-18-2012 09:47 PM)Rurik Wrote:  [quote='worldwidetraveler' pid='311191' dateline='1353292697']
[quote='Rurik' pid='311180' dateline='1353291691']

After a few minutes I found myself in the company of a blonde 7 with a tight body. In the middle of a decent conversation I asked her if polish people liked americans. She winced, and told me it wasn't so.

I have never found a single polish person who has had a favorable view of America. Never.

Moral of the story is: polish people HATE americans. Period.

Why are you going around asking women if they like Americans?

EU explorer, I'm not trying to stir up any misunderstanding on RVF, but my experience is that Polish girls bring up the anti-american sentiment frequently. I must note that I am not a latin-skinned american, but am a regular brown-haired light skinned american. I am not sure if Roosh's experience is due to his preferred skin-tone or not.

Poland is DONE. I knew a guy who fucked 4 girls in one week in Krakow 3 years ago. we spent over a week in krakow one week ago and he said this country is basically totally changed.

(11-18-2012 10:54 PM)Rurik Wrote:  Poland is DONE. I knew a guy who fucked 4 girls in one week in Krakow 3 years ago. we spent over a week in krakow one week ago and he said this country is basically totally changed.

Rurik, how long have you been in Poland? How old are you? What would you rate both your attractiveness, and level of game? Roughly, what is your notch count?

Not calling you out at all, but I think those are important things to know when someone makes statements like saying an entire country is done.

I spent about 5 weeks in Poland. Banged three girls in the 5-7 range in that time. I find it funny when someone who goes against Roosh's advice has to defend themself, especially when questioned by a dude who has never been to the location in question.

I've been to Poznan, Warsaw, Krakow, Wroclaw and Lublin, as well as Ukraine for a month and Romania/Hungary/Czech Republic.

Trust me, if you want to get laid decently don't come to Eastern Europe. Come if you want, but there are many many preferable places on this earth for the average white american/anglophone.

(11-18-2012 09:32 PM)Rurik Wrote:  ...... Polish people are some of the rudest people I have ever met on this planet. They will directly insult the person they are talking to, .....

Ironically, Polish people have EXTREMELY thin skin.... Polish people know how to dish it out, but they simply can't take it.

Polish people are some of the rudest people I have ever met in my life.

Maybe they don't like you because you don't like them. That happens.

I'm a typical annoying, spoiled, helpless American Beta dork, not tall, and over 45, and I described elsewhere here the extensive help at least one girl I talked to supplied. Also, all the cute much younger girls working at the hostel were quite accommodating, not distant. I was only there a few days and didn't try to nail them, but they were quite sweet.

I mean, it doesn't take much to be an improvement over American climber chicks.

(11-18-2012 06:16 PM)EU Explorer Wrote:  Kamaki I must have been lucky so far because your experiences with Polish girls are completely different to my own. Regarding the looks thing I think it relates to what they are used to.

The main problem with the Greek is that he's constantly trolling Poland thread with his experience with polish girls in Greece, we've been through this couple of pages back, and I not gonna bring this up again, girls in Poland and girls living abroad are different bcuz here they are controlled by friends/family, not to mention that the ones who left the country were probably poor as fuck so that makes em up for everything etc so do not take kamakis sponsoring thing too seriously.

@Rurik

LOL, I mean, i wouldn't be surprised If you heard so from men, but from women? I Think you should as yourself 'where did i go wrong', I have never heard a girl blowing American guy straight away telling him that she hates Americans. Although i agree, Polish people lost the love for America, mainly bcuz your country is fucking us right in ass, we ve been fighting with you in Iraq and now in Afghanistan and American government still keeps the visas for poor Polacks. That's just an example, there's more like 'Polish dead camps", believe it or not but here most of the society was supporting Romney during the past election. Can polish people be harsh? Sure. Xenophobic ? Yes. Racist? At some point. Some say it's the paradise, well apparently not for all.

(11-19-2012 12:08 AM)Rurik Wrote:  I spent about 5 weeks in Poland. Banged three girls in the 5-7 range in that time. I find it funny when someone who goes against Roosh's advice has to defend themself, especially when questioned by a dude who has never been to the location in question.

I've been to Poznan, Warsaw, Krakow, Wroclaw and Lublin, as well as Ukraine for a month and Romania/Hungary/Czech Republic.

Trust me, if you want to get laid decently don't come to Eastern Europe. Come if you want, but there are many many preferable places on this earth for the average white american/anglophone.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing.

Which places are better for Americans?

(11-19-2012 03:42 AM)polish rumble Wrote:  

(11-18-2012 06:16 PM)EU Explorer Wrote:  Kamaki I must have been lucky so far because your experiences with Polish girls are completely different to my own. Regarding the looks thing I think it relates to what they are used to.

The main problem with the Greek is that he's constantly trolling Poland thread with his experience with polish girls in Greece, we've been through this couple of pages back, and I not gonna bring this up again, girls in Poland and girls living abroad are different bcuz here they are controlled by friends/family, not to mention that the ones who left the country were probably poor as fuck so that makes em up for everything etc so do not take kamakis sponsoring thing too seriously.

I have acquaintances both in Poland and in Greece and although there are some differences the general mentality is generally the same.(in some aspects polish girls in Poland are better since here they get away with more and have more opportunities to bleed men dry).

(11-18-2012 06:16 PM)EU Explorer Wrote:  

(11-18-2012 01:19 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  It is true that polish girls forgive a lot of imperfections.I have seen tons of them in Greece dating way inferior looking guys(very often old,ugly,married Greeks or very poor average looking immigrants).I recently asked one of my girlfriends why her friend dates so ugly guys(she is beautiful,blonde) and she told me she cannot understand.She also asked her this question and she answered:''Because I love him.''Let's say in some ways polish women are shot in the head they operate in strange ways(for example when an ugly,poor and not very intelligent guy is preferred over a young,rich,intelligent guy fully in girl's understanding).There is a complex mechanism behind this which we may as well contribute to the general inferiority complex of polish girls(you can also call it ''down to earth'',not demanding etc).

Many of them are also open to money propositions meaning the sweet girl you think you nailed with your charm will go straight to the old guy after you to extract some cash for her loan telling how much she loves him.In this case I use Balkan ignorance not call her on that,play the romantic guy who is blind to the girl's deceptions.

Also a polish girl's ex is never exactly ex(meaning they have sex from time to time) so they keep a harem of boyfriends which you should be aware of.A very large percentage of them are in relationships(since they have very low standards for guys) but are open to any proposition(they are ready to jump tree and dump their boyfriend).The whole issue is the presentation how you carry yourself.They also suppose that if you belong to a certain age(older than 30) you are married 100% if you have some minimum value(like it is the case in Poland) so you play the same game as them.It is the reason they have very low level of guilt although there can be some remorse.This is the reason they can so blatantly lie in your face in some cases.(they suppose you also lie often).Generally polish girls have no shame in the protestant,western way.From western view they are very unreliable and the western world condemns them as low class hoes.
So in some cases they tend to avoid western guys in order no to feel beta and not appreciated.I could write columns about that,they are complicated and I can never describe them accurately from all points of view.

Kamaki I must have been lucky so far because your experiences with Polish girls are completely different to my own. Regarding the looks thing I think it relates to what they are used to.

Even in places where they have plenty of opportunities like Greece with many good looking,rich guys around polish girls tend to prefer the poorer,uglier and older ones even though they have lots of propositions from every category.Sometimes it hits your head how terrible their taste is it is not possible to find any explanation although I tried to give some(how they go so low,no shame,inferirority complex,naiveness,believing everything a guy promises,low standards,faith that an ugly guy will be more hooked to her or have better sexual performance etc).

(11-18-2012 09:47 PM)Rurik Wrote:  Frankly dude, Polish people don't like Americans. For the most part, they don't like outsiders, but their favorites are Brits. When it comes to women, being tanned skinned is the most important, even being black is an advantage.

If you haven't been to Poland yourself, then you really don't understand. Most of the time, women themselves bring up how they hate america, even in interactions that are going well.

You speak as if you have lived in Poland your entire life and you have this deep understanding of Polish people and society.

I've only been in Poland three weeks and have only visited two cities but I've talked to a lot of people, most of them women. I've met one girl who consistently makes fun of Americans. And even then, it's only light banter about the various accents, etc. But she just returned from the UK after living there a few years, was recently declined a visa to go to the U.S. (bitter?) and calls/texts me every single day...and I'm American.

I also haven't met one female who is attracted to black men. In fact, I've been surprised by how many openly racial comments I've heard about black people. So I'm not convinced (yet) a black man can clean up in this country. I bring this up just to show you that we have different experiences.

Many here who I've met still see America as a land of opportunity -- a place where you can go to find a good job, make money and live a comfortable life. Maybe it's just the city in which I've spent most of my time in Poland (not the nicest place), but my experience has been very different than yours in that respect. And that's fine, but in every one of your posts you keep strongly reinforcing this idea that Polish people hate Americans as if it's a nationally held opinion. It's not.

If you carry the same negativity you exude on this forum over to your game in real life, then it's no wonder why you experience this hatred of Americans and why you think Poland is "done."

You should chill out, cheer up, and stop focusing on this same old bullshit.

You've spent over a month here, right? So share some of your other knowledge on Poland other than "Polish people hate Americans."

(11-19-2012 05:45 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 12:08 AM)Rurik Wrote:  I spent about 5 weeks in Poland. Banged three girls in the 5-7 range in that time. I find it funny when someone who goes against Roosh's advice has to defend themself, especially when questioned by a dude who has never been to the location in question.

I've been to Poznan, Warsaw, Krakow, Wroclaw and Lublin, as well as Ukraine for a month and Romania/Hungary/Czech Republic.

Trust me, if you want to get laid decently don't come to Eastern Europe. Come if you want, but there are many many preferable places on this earth for the average white american/anglophone.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing.

Which places are better for Americans?

As far as eastern europe?

Ukraine. Particularly Kiev, but also Lviv. Many girls thought I was making up how I was from America in Ukraine, and would ask for me to show them my passport in the club (really weird, but this happened multiple times. Also got this in Romania). Some girls accused me of being a Ukrainian pretending to be american to show off. In Poland, girls could care less if I was from america. In Ukraine, some girls practically blushed in my presence.

Many parts of Ukraine lack running water in winter (heard this from a girl from Kherson), and getting the hell out of the country is a huge objective for many of them. The corruption, lack of infrastructure, and demographic problems etc. Although Ukraine shrinks in population, Kiev continues to grow as people move there lacking any other option (which I think contributes to it being a relatively good city to mack on chicks, and for many reasons Kiev is not a typical 1st tier city). Many women in Kiev told me they dream of coming to America, in Poland some girls said they never wanted to visit. I also met many cute Ukrainian girls who had done internships in the US.

Poland is of course, not as much of a shithole as Ukraine. Also nearly a million Poles reside in Britain and have ties to their home country. Many poles see britain as more of a land of opportunity. The economic condition has improved so much from the past. Poland seems to be turning into the next Czech Republic.

But in Ukraine, being from pretty much any Anglo country is a big dhv. Granted, being British still may be slightly better, but for the most part I didn't notice much of a difference.

Another thing to bear in mind: many Ukrainians have never ever traveled west. Getting a visa for Poland is difficult, and most have never even ventured there. Contrast this with Poland where damn near everyone has been around the EU using the cheap transportation through permeable borders. Ukraine has much more of a curtain to it's western boundary, less exposure to the outside, and I think they view foreign men more favorably because of this.

After over three months and counting in Poland (Warsaw), some observations:

-opening all Polish women in English works great for me, I have the added advantage of speaking Polish well, so that helps a lot if she doesn't speak English, but I've also carried and number closed conversations/instant dates exclusively in English or with just a little Polish thrown in

-girls appreciate the novelty factor of me being from America, particularly California, having Polish heritage and knowing the language compounds this

-the only attitude I've gotten from girls is in clubs (more attitude than in America even) thus I recommend day game over club game in Warsaw, since guys here tend to be more aggressive and I think girls in clubs are in general more flaky because of the increased attention they get, of course you can still pull but it'll be more work. Check out Roosh's latest newsletter and Nick Krauser's guest post from a while back about day/street game

[email protected], I haven't seen any antipathy towards America at all, and if anywhere I would have seen it here in Warsaw, you sound sincere about what you are saying but it would help your case if you didn't generalize that "Polish people don't like Americans", it's simply not true. It sounds like you had some success in Poland despite this perception, can you elaborate on how you overcame it with the girls you hooked up with or was it a non-factor in those instances?

[email protected], I agree with your take on Polish people's view of America. By and large they still see it as the land of opportunity because the standard of living there is much higher than Poland and they still recall America's support of Poland during the Solidarity movement of the 80's. I think if you show an interest towards Polish culture/history, people will respond favorably.

-don't get too caught up on looks, money, etc. Polish women are like many other women, they respond favorably to confident, assertive men. Don't think in terms of "Polish women like/dislike ..." thus I have an advantage or a disadvantage, just give it your best shot and maximize the factors in your life that you control.

-Polish is difficult for native English speakers, but learn at least a few basic words (dzień dobry, jak się masz?, dziękuję, do widzenia) and it'll show that you have some interest in the country beyond getting laid

-Roosh does a good analysis in Bang Poland with a lot of useful advice, remember though that he spent 7 months in Poland, got a good sense of the women, logistics, venues, language, etc. so don't expect magic in a short trip. If you really want to experience Poland/Eastern Europe, work on making a longer stay happen (4+ weeks) and learn as much about the country as you can before you come. It'll benefit your game and give you a broader perspective on life

Bye Lodz. I have fallen to contribute here, but there is nothing above a 7 and the buildings are falling down.
Anyone in Krakow give me a shout.

(11-19-2012 12:08 AM)Rurik Wrote:  I find it funny when someone who goes against Roosh's advice has to defend themself, especially when questioned by a dude who has never been to the location in question.

Don't be so sensitive. Anytime someone goes against the grain they are going to be expected to explain themselves, especially in regards to a place so many forum members, not just Roosh, speak very highly of.

Thanks for the info. You forgot three important questions though. How would you rate your game? What is your notch count? And how would you rate yourself appearance wise?

Someone with tight game and above average looks will have a much more favorable time in a country than someone new to game who has only closed a handful of girls. So you can see how these questions are important for us to know the answers to.

The whole case with Poland is that polish girls flirt with everyone.They are open to everyone regardless of his looks etc.This does not mean they sleep with everyone but if you are above the competition you have a good chance to do well with them since they give you a chance(they flirt with everyone and choose who they like).Girls from other countries use much more filters for the guys they let them approach(be it social connections,appearance,coolness factor etc).So girls from other countries give more straight and harsh rejections than polish girls.
Also polish girls do not use traditional women weapons.For example a woman who does not like you will talk to you so that you will not land another girl which would likely happen if she rejected you fast.Polish girls on the other hand reject you fast and politely so you have chance to find another girl.
Environment plays definitely a role I discovered polish girls changed considerably in resorts where they got hit by tons of Greek and Serbian guys.An environment with slavic dominance(be it Russians,Ukrainians,Poles or Czechs) is the best to land polish girls.

(11-22-2012 04:51 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  The whole case with Poland is that polish girls flirt with everyone.They are open to everyone regardless of his looks etc.This does not mean they sleep with everyone but if you are above the competition you have a good chance to do well with them since they give you a chance(they flirt with everyone and choose who they like).Girls from other countries use much more filters for the guys they let them approach(be it social connections,appearance,coolness factor etc).So girls from other countries give more straight and harsh rejections than polish girls.
Also polish girls do not use traditional women weapons.For example a woman who does not like you will talk to you so that you will not land another girl which would likely happen if she rejected you fast.Polish girls on the other hand reject you fast and politely so you have chance to find another girl.
Environment plays definitely a role I discovered polish girls changed considerably in resorts where they got hit by tons of Greek and Serbian guys.An environment with slavic dominance(be it Russians,Ukrainians,Poles or Czechs) is the best to land polish girls.

How many polish girls have you banged Zorba the Greek? Dont be shy ...I am willing to answer any questions my dear Kamaki also.

So I've been in Warsaw over a week so far.

I may have to bust my own hype about Poland. Either that or Warsaw is very different than second-tier. I'm going back to second-tier to see if it's just Warsaw or something else I missed in my first trip.

Either way, the shine is off Poland. I'm disappointed.

(11-22-2012 09:29 PM)Roosh Wrote:  So I've been in Warsaw over a week so far.

I may have to bust my own hype about Poland. Either that or Warsaw is very different than second-tier. I'm going back to second-tier to see if it's just Warsaw or something else I missed in my first trip.

Either way, the shine is off Poland. I'm disappointed.

Told you...Warsaw is not the city you want to be in Poland