Are you sure it's the place, not you?

I mean most girls act weird/stiff/confused in first moments of pure cold approach interaction [unless they're drunk]. Expect that. The less you're intrusive/aggressive/pushy the faster they will get accustomed to you and comfortable with you. Hence the phrase, COLD approach. To me the first moments of pure cold approach are the same as getting this:



I mean not always but that's what I expect. I personally ask myself "I wonder what stupid shit will I get this time?". And people rarely fail to surprise me. That's why I don't need to have cool things to say, I can say something as simple as "Hi you look so bored, how so?" and I know they will say/do something more/less stupid that I can use to carry on the convo.

My question to you is, can you ENDURE [perfect word] that initial unpleasant cold shower? Can you keep smile on your face standing there? Can you talk like nothing happened? I hope you can. You can't fight it you're already wet. But that's fine cause with time it gets warmer and quite fun actually. So don't expect girls to be oh so happy to be bothered out of the blue by some random guy they're unfamiliar with. Girls are not used to meeting complete strangers every day which is especially visible after you get past that first typical pleasantries of "where are you from & what do you do" where they don't know what to do/say so you must engage them and lead.

I'm not dissing, just illustrating the point.

As for Kraków specifically [which applies to every tourist based city], beside that standard skill of dealing with typical social pressure triggered by cold approach, there is also a problem of being viewed as another-drunk-british-stag-party-fucker that locals may categorize you as instantly without even thinking. You need to think of ways to handle that as well. Not using British accent might be the first step hahahahah..

Good luck

Quote:Are you sure it's the place, not you?

Individual variance is huge. Two guys can go to the same city, one can kill it, and one can get massacred.

Warsaw I'm not doing so well while in Krakow I did very well. For some guys it's the opposite.

Course man... I just tell it how it is for a laugh so guys can see how it is from one mans perspective. Even if I get lucky I am careful not to overhype a place. I like to get down to the specifics of my experiences and compare them with other countries. It just so happens that Krakow doesn't cut the cheese. My main point was not that girls are not interested, it is more a problem with the city itself:

1. Not many girls in the 7/8 range
2. Terrible ratios. I'd say 6 guys to 1 girl.
3. Awkward venues with load music and too much dancing
4. Cock blocking if you are hitting on good looking girls
5. Touristic

None of the above I experienced in Russia, Ukraine or Lithuania

Hell I have only been here 3 days. Just thought I'd air some frustrations. I have multiple Polish flags so it's nothing against the women per se.

(11-25-2012 06:10 PM)gadabout Wrote:  Course man... I just tell it how it is for a laugh so guys can see how it is from one mans perspective. Even if I get lucky I am careful not to overhype a place. I like to get down to the specifics of my experiences and compare them with other countries. It just so happens that Krakow doesn't cut the cheese. My main point was not that girls are not interested, it is more a problem with the city itself:

1. Not many girls in the 7/8 range
2. Terrible ratios. I'd say 6 guys to 1 girl.
3. Awkward venues with load music and too much dancing
4. Cock blocking if you are hitting on good looking girls
5. Touristic

None of the above I experienced in Russia, Ukraine or Lithuania

Hell I have only been here 3 days. Just thought I'd air some frustrations. I have multiple Polish flags so it's nothing against the women per se.

Gadabout sorry to hear your Krakow experience has not been great so far and hope things turn for you. Have you been to Poznan or Wroclaw before?

No worries. I don't care. Different experiences help me make better informed decisions. I gather what info I can and then take a gamble. I am on a one man mission to find somewhere to settle down for a while so its just another place to cross of the list... and probably all other major tourist destinations in the process. Besides the fat lady hasn't sung just yet
Yep Poznan is fine. Less touristy and cute girls but it's too small to do any real damage although I know Roosh rinsed it for all it was worth
Wroclaw is great that's why I wanted to come and see a bit more of the country. To be honest after this I am done with Poland but it's still a great place to come for guys who have not been here yet!

Poland was glorious between 2005 - 2010. Then the gfc coinciding with a booming Polish economy meant all the Polish guys working in the UK and Germany returned home. The ratio is no longer female dominated.

This together with the expansion of Wizzair (providing direct flights from Italy and Spain to Wroclaw, Krakow and Gdansk) has ended Poland's time.

I'm fortunate to have experienced Wroclaw in 2009 at a time when there was a male shortage, and the only way to get to the city was by 5hr bus from Prague or Dresden.

Wizzair = cockfest

Wroclaws days are numbered that's for sure. However I think it is still important to have some level of expansion otherwise it would not attract girls from more rural areas. Poland is the only casualty out of so many other cities that most guys wouldn't even think of going to piss on their monuments.

(11-25-2012 07:19 PM)Wolverine Wrote:  Poland was glorious between 2005 - 2010. Then the gfc coinciding with a booming Polish economy meant all the Polish guys working in the UK and Germany returned home. The ratio is no longer female dominated.

This together with the expansion of Wizzair (providing direct flights from Italy and Spain to Wroclaw, Krakow and Gdansk) has ended Poland's time.

I'm fortunate to have experienced Wroclaw in 2009 at a time when there was a male shortage, and the only way to get to the city was by 5hr bus from Prague or Dresden.

Wizzair = cockfest

Yeah fortunately for me, I'm Asian..and an Asian guy traveling alone is always going to be more of a novelty in the setting known as Poland compared to the other travelers in Western Europe entering the country, haha.

But that's an interesting point. Btw, aren't there still a lot of Polish guys leaving the country for work in the UK anyways even at this time? Thought that was still the case.

So where is better?

We're running out of European countries.

(11-25-2012 07:48 PM)Roosh Wrote:  So where is better?

We're running out of European countries.

SE Asia Roosh lol.

Roosh,

I've scouted most of EE. Bulgaria, Serbia and Romania are at the top of my list for EE.

But for myself, I just really gel with Russian and FSU women. I do not see any need to go anywhere else, EE seems like a bit of a compromise, for me at least.

Nick in Warsaw is a champ and does well with direct daygame there. However, I didn't really gel with the ladies in Warsaw, found the quality to be less than I expected, but ended up decamping with a Polish lady in the outer suburbs for a bit.

Gadabout, I can concur with your perceptions about Warsaw nightlife. I'm afraid to say you are likely to find Prague more touristy and trashy. I'm sure it could be ok if you really knew where to go and how to make it work. Everything after Russia is a big downgrade. That is the problem, after going there, you are kind of FUCKED!

Thew GFC has adversely affected all of Eastern Europe as the men who were working in the UK have returned home.
I was in Budapest and Sofia in August and they were both cockfests. Tallin in October was ridiculously bad ratio wise.

Re: Poland i think this forum has to be held to account as well. This thread alone has received 160,000 views.
I'm certain its inspired at least a few thousand horny desperado's to make a trip there and over validate the girls.

(11-26-2012 06:03 AM)Wolverine Wrote:  Thew GFC has adversely affected all of Eastern Europe as the men who were working in the UK have returned home.
I was in Budapest and Sofia in August and they were both cockfests. Tallin in October was ridiculously bad ratio wise.

Re: Poland i think this forum has to be held to account as well. This thread alone has received 160,000 views.
I'm certain its inspired at least a few thousand horny desperado's to make a trip there and over validate the girls.

You are right Wolverine..... seems like we might have to go to 3rd tier Polish cities now. We will have to see what Roosh finds out over the next couple of weeks.
Fortunately, we still have so many pristine 2nd tier Russian cities. The language barrier is just too difficult for most of these horny desperados to overcome. It will take many years still for them to ruin things there.
Though, improving financial conditions I believe, is the main culprit in ruining countries like Poland.

Yeah Russia really is the shit. It doesnt want to be part of Europe and people just dont want to go there. People are generally just scared of the place. Language is obviously your biggest hurdle but the amount of women make up for that and the ones that speak English are really approachable. Same in Ukraine. Europe I am always encountering bitch shields to some degree.
Dont want to take the thread of the rails but there are a few countries on my radar from people I have spoken to on the road:
Minsk - this place really does sound like a gem but Polish rumbles data sheet disconcerted me.
Serbia - probably the hottest women in Europe but hard to crack.... we shall see about that
A few more common ones that I have started contemplating:
Czech republic - Whilst i am on the road it comes up time and time again - but there is no solid data on anywhere outside of Prague which just makes me want to go there even more.
Moldova - Still seems to come up in conversation alot but it might have that Ukrainian golddigger mentality which bothered me in Kiev.
Hungary - I don't know about this one but had an interesting convo with a guy this weekend about his time there who rated it much higher than Romania and Bulgaria.

The later 3 might just be for a bit of fun but I think I want to concentrate my efforts more on Russia/Ukraine possibly Minsk in the future. It just feels more exciting and the women are just hotter. I would like to join the guys in Novosibirsk actually - alot of girls I met in Moscow were from there!

(11-26-2012 07:34 AM)gadabout Wrote:  Yeah Russia really is the shit. It doesnt want to be part of Europe and people just dont want to go there. People are generally just scared of the place. Language is obviously your biggest hurdle but the amount of women make up for that and the ones that speak English are really approachable. Same in Ukraine. Europe I am always encountering bitch shields to some degree.
Dont want to take the thread of the rails but there are a few countries on my radar from people I have spoken to on the road:
Minsk - this place really does sound like a gem but Polish rumbles data sheet disconcerted me.
Serbia - probably the hottest women in Europe but hard to crack.... we shall see about that
2 more common ones that I have started contemplating:
Czech republic - Whilst i am on the road it comes up time and time again - but there is no solid data on anywhere outside of Prague which just makes me want to go there even more.
Moldova - Still seems to come up in conversation alot but it might have that Ukrainian golddigger mentality which bothered me in Kiev.
Hungary - I don't know about this one but had an interesting convo with a guy this weekend about his time there who rated it much higher than Romania and Bulgaria.

The later 3 might just be for a bit of fun but I think I want to concentrate my efforts more on Russia/Ukraine possibly Minsk in the future. It just feels more exciting and the women are just hotter. I would like to join the guys in Novosibirsk actually - alot of girls I met in Moscow where from there!

Gadabout I would recommend a look at Brno if you go to CZ...I was only there looking at property for a few hours once but with a big Uni its got potential.

Yes I heard Brno and Ostrava is the place to go. Roco the famous Italian pornstar set up shop in CZ and plowed his way through models who didn't know any better.... also Hungary. THe fact they aren't really talked about can only be a good thing right?!

Brno is the capital of Moravia, which is sort of like its own region. Czech people say that those from there are warmer and possibly more attractive?

(11-26-2012 06:42 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  seems like we might have to go to 3rd tier Polish cities now. We will have to see what Roosh finds out over the next couple of weeks.

Think twice about it. In my personal opinion if game seems hard in the biggest cities then in 2nd/3rd tier cities game is hell...

- less venues (maybe one cool club/bar in the city)
- less hot chicks (so potential good guy/girl ratio doesn't mean much)
- less options in general
- small town mentality (less anonymity)
- tight knit social circles everywhere (are you mixed groups master?)
- nothing to do in day time

Basically, the smaller the city the more social circle based/oriented it is.

(11-26-2012 08:37 AM)XXL Wrote:  

(11-26-2012 06:42 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  seems like we might have to go to 3rd tier Polish cities now. We will have to see what Roosh finds out over the next couple of weeks.

Think twice about it. In my personal opinion if game seems hard in the biggest cities then in 2nd/3rd tier cities game is hell...

- less venues (maybe one cool club/bar in the city)
- less hot chicks (so potential good guy/girl ratio doesn't mean much)
- less options in general
- small town mentality (less anonymity)
- tight knit social circles everywhere (are you mixed groups master?)
- nothing to do in day time

Basically, the smaller the city the more social circle based/oriented it is.

Spot on XXL.

(11-26-2012 08:39 AM)gadabout Wrote:  

(11-26-2012 08:37 AM)XXL Wrote:  

(11-26-2012 06:42 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  seems like we might have to go to 3rd tier Polish cities now. We will have to see what Roosh finds out over the next couple of weeks.

Think twice about it. In my personal opinion if game seems hard in the biggest cities then in 2nd/3rd tier cities game is hell...

- less venues (maybe one cool club/bar in the city)
- less hot chicks (so potential good guy/girl ratio doesn't mean much)
- less options in general
- small town mentality (less anonymity)
- tight knit social circles everywhere (are you mixed groups master?)
- nothing to do in day time

Basically, the smaller the city the more social circle based/oriented it is.

Spot on XXL.

It can be hell if the city is very clique-ish. I'm sure there are some 2nd/3rd tier cities where chicks can be equally as naive or curious about things though. Though 1st tier cities can be tougher to crack at times, it really is a great equalizer for locals, general out of towners, and foreigners to game in that everyone is sort of on the same playing ground.

Btw, Gadabout..Serbian women are gorgeous and can be nice, but they 95% of the time prefer local guys. Didn't catch a thing in my 4-5 days in Belgrade. Maybe its different if you catch them at a beach resort in another country though.

the last time i visited Gdansk earlier in the year (January) amidst the snow I still had 2 SNL's from a 4 night stay, so maybe guys venture up there to Gdansk (i was predominantly in Sopot).

Yeah I heard that. But I am pretty good at debunking myths.

"Btw, Gadabout..Serbian women are gorgeous and can be nice, but they 95% of the time prefer local guys. Didn't catch a thing in my 4-5 days in Belgrade. Maybe its different if you catch them at a beach resort in another country though."

Not even clique-ich per se. People might be open.. until they're not.

Thing is, If I live in my home town ain't nobody fucking with my clique either way, especially outsider, that's just given, I got my homies so there's no need to be all possessive and guard/isolate my peer group hard. When I see you getting too close/flirty with my girls [who are not mine but you know what I mean] I just keep an eye on at first. You're kind of being tolerated but not welcome. It's like "yeah yeah ok cool dude good luck [and fuck off now]". Maybe bit later I signal you to give up, just subtly, cause in my eyes you have no chance in potential confrontation, maybe I use you for some entertainment. Shit like that. On the surface you feel like you're kind of befriending me. But you're very wrong. My girls might be cool with you, you're new guy, they get stimulated, it's fun for them. But not me. And my homies.

It happened to me. I was thinking that I was getting somewhere until my cousin told me I was 10 minutes away of getting dragged outside. Ooops. If you happen to meet more weak polite guys then there is always some mean girl in group that can sniff some foreign bad intentions haha.

Conclusion..
For 1st tier cities.. it's the city that is harder to crack
For 2nd/3rd tier cities.. it's the girls that are harder to crack

Choose your destiny

(11-26-2012 08:37 AM)XXL Wrote:  

(11-26-2012 06:42 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  seems like we might have to go to 3rd tier Polish cities now. We will have to see what Roosh finds out over the next couple of weeks.

Think twice about it. In my personal opinion if game seems hard in the biggest cities then in 2nd/3rd tier cities game is hell...

- less venues (maybe one cool club/bar in the city)
- less hot chicks (so potential good guy/girl ratio doesn't mean much)
- less options in general
- small town mentality (less anonymity)
- tight knit social circles everywhere (are you mixed groups master?)
- nothing to do in day time

Basically, the smaller the city the more social circle based/oriented it is.

You make some good points. That is why finding a 2nd or 3rd tier with many universities or one huge one is vital. It mitigates some of the negatives you pointed out.

yes, I think finding some kind of a "nest" is small shitty town can save your life [dick].