For those currently in Poland, are you able to go out during the day and interact with girls, or does the brutal cold render nightlife your only option?

(01-23-2013 02:53 AM)eldorado Wrote:  

(01-22-2013 06:16 PM)EU Explorer Wrote:  

(01-22-2013 12:55 PM)Partizan Wrote:  

(01-22-2013 10:30 AM)eldorado Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 10:17 PM)yb13 Wrote:  Haha. Perhaps the user meant to word it as "6's and 7's being attainable with right game" opposed to super easy for ONS. I personally never really think of anything as easy ONS's as everything entails hard work & playing right cards aka good gaming.

I was in Warsaw last week again,,,,
Thanks to networking and my crazy efforts to charm her, nobody would believe me but I banged one 10 (she is model) during 2 days,,,
Come back Warsaw very soon for round 2

I'm sorry Deb but that aint going to cut it.

Interesting Dictionary definition of 'Eldorado' ....fictitious place, imaginary place, mythical place ....a place that exists only in imagination

Hey Kids,

I have no fluent English,,,,
I don't want to berude but i don't like people kidding me,,, (If he thinks that I'm rude, Roosh can ban me)
But even your dreams cannot catch my achievements up to now.
I have unlimited budget for hunting...
I spent around 2000 USD for clubbing and accomodation during last weekend to bang this girl.
If you would be in Warsaw end of next week, I can order you some drinks and find a chance to meet to whom I bang. Hence, you understand what Eldorado means ))

Datasheet or you are simply just balling NN style.

Has anyone tried using naszaklasa.pl to pipeline? I'm curious if its really popular in Poland...?

It is not a very good portal because it is like a polish facebook so polish girls are going to see all your girlfriends photos and maybe communicate with them.
Having diverted the attention to Poland the possibilities are endless.Polish girls are by far the easiest in EU.The whole trick is to live in Eastern Germany close to polish borders in order to get an acceptable income because Poland does not offer any opportunities.If a foreigner who has a rel job decides to relocate in Poland the flow of women is unparalleled but then again it is less than what you get in Ukraine.

(01-31-2013 03:55 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  It is not a very good portal because it is like a polish facebook so polish girls are going to see all your girlfriends photos and maybe communicate with them.
Having diverted the attention to Poland the possibilities are endless.Polish girls are by far the easiest in EU.The whole trick is to live in Eastern Germany close to polish borders in order to get an acceptable income because Poland does not offer any opportunities.If a foreigner who has a rel job decides to relocate in Poland the flow of women is unparalleled but then again it is less than what you get in Ukraine.

You rate Poland as being the easiest country in EE (except for Ukraine) for quantity Kamaki?

I read that Roosh re-adjusted his opinions on the place after his second trip. Seemed to think that the place was not as good any more.

(01-31-2013 06:01 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 03:55 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  It is not a very good portal because it is like a polish facebook so polish girls are going to see all your girlfriends photos and maybe communicate with them.
Having diverted the attention to Poland the possibilities are endless.Polish girls are by far the easiest in EU.The whole trick is to live in Eastern Germany close to polish borders in order to get an acceptable income because Poland does not offer any opportunities.If a foreigner who has a rel job decides to relocate in Poland the flow of women is unparalleled but then again it is less than what you get in Ukraine.

Vorkuta
You rate Poland as being the easiest country in EE (except for Ukraine) for quantity Kamaki?

I read that Roosh re-adjusted his opinions on the place after his second trip. Seemed to think that the place was not as good any more.

Vorkuta, where did you read Roosh`s reassesment? I was thinking of heading there before the Russian trip this summer and it would be a shame to think that things have changed to such an extent in Poland If it is true then maybe Euro 2012 and increased Westernization changed the country faster than expected.

Kamaki, have you ever tried Sympatia.com? I have an account that I barely check but I have gotten some messages from decent looking polish girls.

(01-31-2013 07:55 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  Vorkuta, where did you read Roosh`s reassesment? I was thinking of heading there before the Russian trip this summer and it would be a shame to think that things have changed to such an extent in Poland If it is true then maybe Euro 2012 and increased Westernization changed the country faster than expected.

I don't remember if it was on his blog or this thread. Also he was talking about Warsaw but not sure how he got on in other towns. I can't see it having changed that much in only a year so I think you'll do ok there.

(01-20-2013 12:39 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:33 PM)Branimir Wrote:  As someone who has polish as a mothertongue my only advice that I could give you is not to bother to learn the polish language. Life is definetly to short to learn polish.
At some point you'll just ask yourself "wtf am i doing??"
But that is just my advice.

I have a free month in March where I can go anywhere I want. I'm intrigued by how good people are saying Poland is so I might investigate. I would need something to keep me occupied in the day however and language classes would do that.

you still in the UK lad?

(01-31-2013 10:00 AM)bojangles Wrote:  you still in the UK lad?

Yeah I'm here at the moment. Off to the Caucus mountains next Thursday for a week and then back here whilst I decide where to hit in March.

Was in poznan for a few days:

Went to a club called Cuba Libre. Small, but nice. mostly Latin music. Ratio unfavourable, but most guys just stand there, turning it to favorable. Some dancing skills will take you far.
It was free entrance, gin and tonic 15PLN. Hosts some erasmus parties on thursday and friday.

If going for a coffee date, try Weranda caffe (Ul. ´Swietoslawska 10)
For lunch dinner Chatka Babuni (near the cuba libre club and center). Pierogi, cheap and really good. a meal for 22PLN


One thing i noticed and asked is that polish would rather have house parties. Befriend some locals!

Warsaw has too many hipster-ish types, middle class professionals who only bang in their own social circle (or those acquainted with those within it slowly working their way in) . Even then it would probably take a little bit of vouching (vouching for you from somebody within her group, and for her to have the impression that her friends 'rate' you satisfactorily) . It can be done, of course, only in Warsaw it isn't 1-2-3. It's more like 1-2-3-4-5. And then a little more too. Some of the dump cities, like Lodz, would be far more receptive to foreigners working game. It's pretty much going to be you vs a bunch of steroids up the ass Sinead O'Connor football hooligan types.

(02-01-2013 01:25 AM)Mersault Wrote:  Warsaw has too many hipster-ish types, middle class professionals who only bang in their own social circle (or those acquainted with those within it slowly working their way in) . Even then it would probably take a little bit of vouching (vouching for you from somebody within her group, and for her to have the impression that her friends 'rate' you satisfactorily) . It can be done, of course, only in Warsaw it isn't 1-2-3. It's more like 1-2-3-4-5. And then a little more too. Some of the dump cities, like Lodz, would be far more receptive to foreigners working game. It's pretty much going to be you vs a bunch of steroids up the ass Sinead O'Connor football hooligan types.

Interesting perspective on Warsaw. As an Asian or darker guy though, I wouldn't recommend traveling alone in Lodz trying to pick up chicks without a existing local circle. I ran across some extremely nice people outside of the circle from the gal I stayed with for a week, but there were also quite a few dirty looks and bad vibes from other rude locals too...can't believe home girl had a hard time with me being too scared to show affection in public in those certain moments. You're going to see certain 7's and 8's (def not as much as Warsaw and cities of the west), but the awkward busted Polish dudes have those on lockdown already making it tougher to break those hostile circles.

I didn't spend enough time in Warsaw however, but what I saw there, Wroclaw, and Poznan were definitely more interracial couples being able to show public display of affection comfortably in their own skin.

(02-01-2013 01:51 AM)yb13 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 01:25 AM)Mersault Wrote:  Warsaw has too many hipster-ish types, middle class professionals who only bang in their own social circle (or those acquainted with those within it slowly working their way in) . Even then it would probably take a little bit of vouching (vouching for you from somebody within her group, and for her to have the impression that her friends 'rate' you satisfactorily) . It can be done, of course, only in Warsaw it isn't 1-2-3. It's more like 1-2-3-4-5. And then a little more too. Some of the dump cities, like Lodz, would be far more receptive to foreigners working game. It's pretty much going to be you vs a bunch of steroids up the ass Sinead O'Connor football hooligan types.

Interesting perspective on Warsaw. As an Asian or darker guy though, I wouldn't recommend traveling alone in Lodz trying to pick up chicks without a existing local circle. I ran across some extremely nice people outside of the circle from the gal I stayed with for a week, but there were also quite a few dirty looks and bad vibes from other rude locals too...can't believe home girl had a hard time with me being too scared to show affection in public in those certain moments. You're going to see certain 7's and 8's (def not as much as Warsaw and cities of the west), but the awkward busted Polish dudes have those on lockdown already making it tougher to break those hostile circles.

I didn't spend enough time in Warsaw however, but what I saw there, Wroclaw, and Poznan were definitely more interracial couples being able to show public display of affection comfortably in their own skin.

yb13, am i correct in presuming you're an Asian or darker guy, then?
If so, well, i can only imagine how difficult it must have been for you. Pole's are pretty damn racist. See the irony in me writing that? Yeah, well, generalisations > avoiding taboo subjects.

Anyway, I'm surprised, as a darker or Asian guy, you had any success at all in Poland. I've seen Roosh in a video, he looks Turkish. That's borderline cool in Poland. It's not on the level of being Italian or Spanish or Greek in Poland but it's close enough and a girl won't really hesitate. I include the qualifier 'really' because, well, she just just might.
As soon as you go beyond Paleh and Kateh rice into Bismati rice territory however, the Polish girls will by and large all think the complexion is too dark and won't do anything. You might disagree, only, I'm somewhat convinced. It's pretty backward and somewhat covert but the issue is real. Interestingly, the Polish girls working in London will have less of an issue about darker guys. I've seen a fair few with Indian's / Bengali's / Pakistani's, plus even more with Egyptian's, Algerian's, Moroccan's. That's not to say it isn't an issue for them. They are still judged by their peers for it. Anyhow, that being judged, the perverse enjoyment from doing that which their societal standards maintain they shouldn't, the taboo factor, is part of the attraction i guess.

I was in Warsaw last summer and I did pretty well. I would agree there are lots and lots of 7's, not as many 10's. However, the vast majority of the 7's were friendly as hell and DTF.

Normally big cities like Warsaw are looked down on for pickup. But I had a much easier time there than I did in Krakow which is a much smaller, more touristy city. I theorize that it's a difficult city for the Polish people to live in and the women are extra eager to meet a foreigner and move out.

Anyways, Polish women are super smart and smart in a good way. They know exactly what you're thinking and what your planning. Changing Venues to isolate or any other PUA move.... Hell, they know this shit before you do. They just don't care. If they say that they want to go get a kebab with you, then they usually just want to fuck you. Poland is great because you never waste time.

(02-01-2013 02:14 AM)Pokerbaby Wrote:  I was in Warsaw last summer and I did pretty well. I would agree there are lots and lots of 7's, not as many 10's. However, the vast majority of the 7's were friendly as hell and DTF.

Normally big cities like Warsaw are looked down on for pickup. But I had a much easier time there than I did in Krakow which is a much smaller, more touristy city. I theorize that it's a difficult city for the Polish people to live in and the women are extra eager to meet a foreigner and move out.

Anyways, Polish women are super smart and smart in a good way. They know exactly what you're thinking and what your planning. Changing Venues to isolate or any other PUA move.... Hell, they know this shit before you do. They just don't care. If they say that they want to go get a kebab with you, then they usually just want to fuck you. Poland is great because you never waste time.

You had an easier time? Which types of places were you frequenting?
Sure it is easier than Krakow but that's because Krakow is like a prestige walmart for fridge magnets and painted plates. Besides, that isn't much of a comparison. Everybody can see better in the light compared to the dark (besides those of a visually impaired nature).

Polish women in Warsaw are eager to meet a foreigner and move out? Hmmm. That's just not the case. This isn't the era of martial law and neither is it 2004. I'm not writing of Schengen Area mentality as the exclusive reason for that not being the case, it goes way above and beyond that, although still at some level descending from that. Between the fact that a vast number have mortgages in a promising housing market, great credit facilities, promising careers - contrasted with the lack of promising careers in other European market options they might once have otherwise considered- and that they are aware of their value in their own country (being from Warsaw in Poland is like being from London in England. It is status in and of it self, even for those majority of Warsaw citizens who aren't actually 'original' Warsaw born and bred. That status counts for quite a fair deal in 2013) there are a number of reasons why Polish women in Warsaw, between the ages of 22-32, or whichever arbitrary figure i use to state my conjecture, aren't looking to meet a foreigner and move out.
Indeed, they might well meet a foreigner and move out, in fact it wouldn't be prudent of me to suggest otherwise, after all, stranger things have happened. Just as i once met a beautiful young rich Californian who decided to move to Moscow because she fell in love with a moujik gopnik she had only recently met online and spoken with on skype. Yes my 'friends', as you see, anything is possible. A Polish girl in Warsaw might well meet a foreigner and move out. But no, most young women in Warsaw are not extra eager (as you claimed) in looking for a foreigner to get out and for you to claim that it is otherwise, i must contest, is a transgression of my trust.

Plus Polish women know about isolation or other moves? Hmmm. No more so than others.

Anyway, it seems like i'm shi**ing on your post, but, yeah. Warsaw isn't as easy as you are implying.

(01-31-2013 11:34 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 10:00 AM)bojangles Wrote:  you still in the UK lad?

Yeah I'm here at the moment. Off to the Caucus mountains next Thursday for a week and then back here whilst I decide where to hit in March.

ah cool, we might have a meet up here in london this month or early next.

(02-01-2013 06:27 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 11:34 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 10:00 AM)bojangles Wrote:  you still in the UK lad?

Yeah I'm here at the moment. Off to the Caucus mountains next Thursday for a week and then back here whilst I decide where to hit in March.

ah cool, we might have a meet up here in london this month or early next.

Cool. Let me know if it happens and if I'm around I'll come along.

(02-01-2013 02:12 AM)Mersault Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 01:51 AM)yb13 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 01:25 AM)Mersault Wrote:  Warsaw has too many hipster-ish types, middle class professionals who only bang in their own social circle (or those acquainted with those within it slowly working their way in) . Even then it would probably take a little bit of vouching (vouching for you from somebody within her group, and for her to have the impression that her friends 'rate' you satisfactorily) . It can be done, of course, only in Warsaw it isn't 1-2-3. It's more like 1-2-3-4-5. And then a little more too. Some of the dump cities, like Lodz, would be far more receptive to foreigners working game. It's pretty much going to be you vs a bunch of steroids up the ass Sinead O'Connor football hooligan types.

Interesting perspective on Warsaw. As an Asian or darker guy though, I wouldn't recommend traveling alone in Lodz trying to pick up chicks without a existing local circle. I ran across some extremely nice people outside of the circle from the gal I stayed with for a week, but there were also quite a few dirty looks and bad vibes from other rude locals too...can't believe home girl had a hard time with me being too scared to show affection in public in those certain moments. You're going to see certain 7's and 8's (def not as much as Warsaw and cities of the west), but the awkward busted Polish dudes have those on lockdown already making it tougher to break those hostile circles.

I didn't spend enough time in Warsaw however, but what I saw there, Wroclaw, and Poznan were definitely more interracial couples being able to show public display of affection comfortably in their own skin.

yb13, am i correct in presuming you're an Asian or darker guy, then?
If so, well, i can only imagine how difficult it must have been for you. Pole's are pretty damn racist. See the irony in me writing that? Yeah, well, generalisations > avoiding taboo subjects.

Anyway, I'm surprised, as a darker or Asian guy, you had any success at all in Poland. I've seen Roosh in a video, he looks Turkish. That's borderline cool in Poland. It's not on the level of being Italian or Spanish or Greek in Poland but it's close enough and a girl won't really hesitate. I include the qualifier 'really' because, well, she just just might.
As soon as you go beyond Paleh and Kateh rice into Bismati rice territory however, the Polish girls will by and large all think the complexion is too dark and won't do anything. You might disagree, only, I'm somewhat convinced. It's pretty backward and somewhat covert but the issue is real. Interestingly, the Polish girls working in London will have less of an issue about darker guys. I've seen a fair few with Indian's / Bengali's / Pakistani's, plus even more with Egyptian's, Algerian's, Moroccan's. That's not to say it isn't an issue for them. They are still judged by their peers for it. Anyhow, that being judged, the perverse enjoyment from doing that which their societal standards maintain they shouldn't, the taboo factor, is part of the attraction i guess.

As for Lodz, was visiting someone from my past. She's not from Lodz but is there for a medicine program. The general rule of thumb is that the east of Poland is known for being more "racist" aka Lodz/Lublin whereas the west is much more multicultural being Wroclaw, Poznan, and Katowice. The exception at east is of course Warsaw, which is the most cosmopolitan city being the capital of the country.

I wouldn't say Asian guys of course are the top preference of Polish girls, but one with style, game, and the right cards is likely going to catch the attention of local women there as they like the darker toned foreign guy. In public, it's much more accepted as a foreign guy to be seen with local women in Wroclaw, Poznan, and Warsaw moreso than Lodz as I got a chance to visit all 4 cities May 2012. A good number of Koreans/Japanese relocate to Wroclaw for work from Samsung, LG, Sony, and other companies as some have serious Polish gfs or wives as I got a chance to run into some. I think the situation in Poznan would be different as most Asians there are beta ghost med school students from Taiwan (ghosts bc I never managed to see them). I didn't experiment Warsaw in terms of nightlife and staying there as I had a 6 hour layover dragging around luggage, but there were some good looking women who stopped me from out of nowhere curious about my background and if I needed help.

You could be right about the women being judged by their peers for dating a darker skinned foreigner, but the taboo of the experience is probably exciting for them...esp if it's one with style, culture, and game.

(02-01-2013 02:28 AM)Mersault Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 02:14 AM)Pokerbaby Wrote:  I was in Warsaw last summer and I did pretty well. I would agree there are lots and lots of 7's, not as many 10's. However, the vast majority of the 7's were friendly as hell and DTF.

Normally big cities like Warsaw are looked down on for pickup. But I had a much easier time there than I did in Krakow which is a much smaller, more touristy city. I theorize that it's a difficult city for the Polish people to live in and the women are extra eager to meet a foreigner and move out.

Anyways, Polish women are super smart and smart in a good way. They know exactly what you're thinking and what your planning. Changing Venues to isolate or any other PUA move.... Hell, they know this shit before you do. They just don't care. If they say that they want to go get a kebab with you, then they usually just want to fuck you. Poland is great because you never waste time.

You had an easier time? Which types of places were you frequenting?
Sure it is easier than Krakow but that's because Krakow is like a prestige walmart for fridge magnets and painted plates. Besides, that isn't much of a comparison. Everybody can see better in the light compared to the dark (besides those of a visually impaired nature).

Polish women in Warsaw are eager to meet a foreigner and move out? Hmmm. That's just not the case. This isn't the era of martial law and neither is it 2004. I'm not writing of Schengen Area mentality as the exclusive reason for that not being the case, it goes way above and beyond that, although still at some level descending from that. Between the fact that a vast number have mortgages in a promising housing market, great credit facilities, promising careers - contrasted with the lack of promising careers in other European market options they might once have otherwise considered- and that they are aware of their value in their own country (being from Warsaw in Poland is like being from London in England. It is status in and of it self, even for those majority of Warsaw citizens who aren't actually 'original' Warsaw born and bred. That status counts for quite a fair deal in 2013) there are a number of reasons why Polish women in Warsaw, between the ages of 22-32, or whichever arbitrary figure i use to state my conjecture, aren't looking to meet a foreigner and move out.
Indeed, they might well meet a foreigner and move out, in fact it wouldn't be prudent of me to suggest otherwise, after all, stranger things have happened. Just as i once met a beautiful young rich Californian who decided to move to Moscow because she fell in love with a moujik gopnik she had only recently met online and spoken with on skype. Yes my 'friends', as you see, anything is possible. A Polish girl in Warsaw might well meet a foreigner and move out. But no, most young women in Warsaw are not extra eager (as you claimed) in looking for a foreigner to get out and for you to claim that it is otherwise, i must contest, is a transgression of my trust.

Plus Polish women know about isolation or other moves? Hmmm. No more so than others.

Anyway, it seems like i'm shi**ing on your post, but, yeah. Warsaw isn't as easy as you are implying.

The perspective on Warsaw is an interesting one. People in the west like Wroclaw and Poznan will hate on Warsaw and absolutely have no desire to live there. People from Lublin or Lodz hate on Warsaw as the pretentious elite big brother of the country, but also secretly want to live there as they value any opportunity in the "capital."

I'd say chicks in Warsaw definitely like certain foreigners...esp ones from North America bc they try to model their fashion and city after the culture there..notice the word "try." Most of them are very happy to be living in the capital as I think the fascination for worldly men stems from them "wanting to make a good first impression for their first rate capital" instead of "wanting to move out." Their pride in the city keeps them in Warsaw & the other side effect of that same pride is that they as a result look down on the rest of Poland.

Quote:I'd say chicks in Warsaw definitely like certain foreigners...esp ones from North America bc they try to model their fashion and city after the culture there..notice the word "try." Most of them are very happy to be living in the capital as I think the fascination for worldly men stems from them "wanting to make a good first impression for the capital" instead of "wanting to move out." Their pride in the city keeps them in Warsaw & the other side effect of that same pride is that they as a result look down on the rest of Poland.

Precisely. That's along the lines of what i was saying.

People from other cities in Poland, to a degree, resent those in Warsaw. Those in Warsaw behave as though they are the 21st century incarnation of Polish landed nobility and all the rest, excusing Wroclaw and a couple of other places, are backwater Djowka (country house) living farmers. Status.

Yes, the Polish girls in Warsaw 'look up' to foreigners, just as the exotic foreign effect works everywhere. All in all, I'm glad we agree, 'they' don't 'put on a show' because they want to leave, no no no, they do it because they are representing their city and are immensely proud of it, want to communicate that feeling, demonstrating their satisfaction in what they feel like they are building / involved with - Warsaw.
The claim by Pokerbaby that they are 'eager to meet a foreigner and move on' is frankly distorted. No, that's too polite. It is just wrong. Like i said, it can happen, but 'this' is life and therefore anything can happen, but Polish girls in Warsaw 'eager to meet a foreigner and move on' is by no means the tendency.

I don't think polish girls like the dark skinned guys.Their looks preference goes to Mediteranean looks and rightly so but they often combine a looks style with a certain behaviour and culture.That is if you have Italian look you are supposed to be player,cheatfull macho if you have Arab look you are supposed to be posessive etc.
So good looks can backfire in Poland in some degree.Meaning that a polish girl although flattered that a Viking looking Scandinavian guy approached her will maybe be repelled by the fact that she is rather inferior to him financially and looks wise so there cannot be a balance.Also the inferiority complex and deep issues.So she might prefer an uglier dude coming from a minority with not so stable financial condition.
Many also hook up with tramps and guys from dubious background because they regard them as more real and street people(eg Albanians).Generally it is a rather complex situation and a lot of calculation.

Some things that attract them to uglier dudes:
1.Uglier are more likely to give them more money
2.They are more likely to be sexually satisfying
3.They can manipulate uglier guys easier and make them jealous.
With good looking and rich guys polish girls always feel deep uncertainty while Russian girls triumph for the bites they take.

(02-01-2013 04:32 PM)Mersault Wrote:  

Quote:I'd say chicks in Warsaw definitely like certain foreigners...esp ones from North America bc they try to model their fashion and city after the culture there..notice the word "try." Most of them are very happy to be living in the capital as I think the fascination for worldly men stems from them "wanting to make a good first impression for the capital" instead of "wanting to move out." Their pride in the city keeps them in Warsaw & the other side effect of that same pride is that they as a result look down on the rest of Poland.

Precisely. That's along the lines of what i was saying.

People from other cities in Poland, to a degree, resent those in Warsaw. Those in Warsaw behave as though they are the 21st century incarnation of Polish landed nobility and all the rest, excusing Wroclaw and a couple of other places, are backwater Djowka (country house) living farmers. Status.

Yes, the Polish girls in Warsaw 'look up' to foreigners, just as the exotic foreign effect works everywhere. All in all, I'm glad we agree, 'they' don't 'put on a show' because they want to leave, no no no, they do it because they are representing their city and are immensely proud of it, want to communicate that feeling, demonstrating their satisfaction in what they feel like they are building / involved with - Warsaw.
The claim by Pokerbaby that they are 'eager to meet a foreigner and move on' is frankly distorted. No, that's too polite. It is just wrong. Like i said, it can happen, but 'this' is life and therefore anything can happen, but Polish girls in Warsaw 'eager to meet a foreigner and move on' is by no means the tendency.

Maybe it's just honest misinterpretation. Happens all the time.

Heading to Warsaw and Poznan from late-May to mid-June. Should be good

(02-01-2013 05:15 PM)yb13 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 04:32 PM)Mersault Wrote:  

Quote:I'd say chicks in Warsaw definitely like certain foreigners...esp ones from North America bc they try to model their fashion and city after the culture there..notice the word "try." Most of them are very happy to be living in the capital as I think the fascination for worldly men stems from them "wanting to make a good first impression for the capital" instead of "wanting to move out." Their pride in the city keeps them in Warsaw & the other side effect of that same pride is that they as a result look down on the rest of Poland.

Precisely. That's along the lines of what i was saying.

People from other cities in Poland, to a degree, resent those in Warsaw. Those in Warsaw behave as though they are the 21st century incarnation of Polish landed nobility and all the rest, excusing Wroclaw and a couple of other places, are backwater Djowka (country house) living farmers. Status.

Yes, the Polish girls in Warsaw 'look up' to foreigners, just as the exotic foreign effect works everywhere. All in all, I'm glad we agree, 'they' don't 'put on a show' because they want to leave, no no no, they do it because they are representing their city and are immensely proud of it, want to communicate that feeling, demonstrating their satisfaction in what they feel like they are building / involved with - Warsaw.
The claim by Pokerbaby that they are 'eager to meet a foreigner and move on' is frankly distorted. No, that's too polite. It is just wrong. Like i said, it can happen, but 'this' is life and therefore anything can happen, but Polish girls in Warsaw 'eager to meet a foreigner and move on' is by no means the tendency.

Maybe it's just honest misinterpretation. Happens all the time.

It's all right. I don't mind a difference on opinion. In fact I think I like it.

Maybe I'm wrong, I've been to Warsaw twice for the equivalent of about 2 weeks. So I am not calling myself an expert on Poland or Warsaw for that matter.

I struck up a conversation a friendship with a Polish woman. Late 20's/early 30's, decent looking but not as hot as so many others. Highly intelligent. She told me she worked two jobs. One was as an air traffic controller and I forgot her 2nd job, just remembering it was respectable too.

I told her that I wanted to live in Poland. I found the culture, food and atmosphere very compelling. Of course, my major reason for liking Poland was that Polish women are beautiful and friendly but I didn't mention that.

She told me Ishe didn't understand and she told me quite literally "most polish people are looking to get out." She said she was hardly unique as someone working two jobs to pay the bills.

I know what you're saying about things having improved a lot, in terms of credit and housing market. My Polish friend says that about 40% of the population of Warsaw live to the equivalent of someone middle class in an American city. But there's still a substantial population that live on 500-700 US a month and given the relatively higher cost of things in Poland, have quite a low standard of living. Why wouldn't they want to move out?

My guess is that you got unlucky and went to clubs that had some of the minority rich or maybe you just got unlucky and met the wrong women.

(02-02-2013 01:18 AM)Pokerbaby Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 05:15 PM)yb13 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 04:32 PM)Mersault Wrote:  

Quote:I'd say chicks in Warsaw definitely like certain foreigners...esp ones from North America bc they try to model their fashion and city after the culture there..notice the word "try." Most of them are very happy to be living in the capital as I think the fascination for worldly men stems from them "wanting to make a good first impression for the capital" instead of "wanting to move out." Their pride in the city keeps them in Warsaw & the other side effect of that same pride is that they as a result look down on the rest of Poland.

Precisely. That's along the lines of what i was saying.

People from other cities in Poland, to a degree, resent those in Warsaw. Those in Warsaw behave as though they are the 21st century incarnation of Polish landed nobility and all the rest, excusing Wroclaw and a couple of other places, are backwater Djowka (country house) living farmers. Status.

Yes, the Polish girls in Warsaw 'look up' to foreigners, just as the exotic foreign effect works everywhere. All in all, I'm glad we agree, 'they' don't 'put on a show' because they want to leave, no no no, they do it because they are representing their city and are immensely proud of it, want to communicate that feeling, demonstrating their satisfaction in what they feel like they are building / involved with - Warsaw.
The claim by Pokerbaby that they are 'eager to meet a foreigner and move on' is frankly distorted. No, that's too polite. It is just wrong. Like i said, it can happen, but 'this' is life and therefore anything can happen, but Polish girls in Warsaw 'eager to meet a foreigner and move on' is by no means the tendency.

Maybe it's just honest misinterpretation. Happens all the time.

It's all right. I don't mind a difference on opinion. In fact I think I like it.

Maybe I'm wrong, I've been to Warsaw twice for the equivalent of about 2 weeks. So I am not calling myself an expert on Poland or Warsaw for that matter.

I struck up a conversation a friendship with a Polish woman. Late 20's/early 30's, decent looking but not as hot as so many others. Highly intelligent. She told me she worked two jobs. One was as an air traffic controller and I forgot her 2nd job, just remembering it was respectable too.

I told her that I wanted to live in Poland. I found the culture, food and atmosphere very compelling. Of course, my major reason for liking Poland was that Polish women are beautiful and friendly but I didn't mention that.

She told me Ishe didn't understand and she told me quite literally "most polish people are looking to get out." She said she was hardly unique as someone working two jobs to pay the bills.

I know what you're saying about things having improved a lot, in terms of credit and housing market. My Polish friend says that about 40% of the population of Warsaw live to the equivalent of someone middle class in an American city. But there's still a substantial population that live on 500-700 US a month and given the relatively higher cost of things in Poland, have quite a low standard of living. Why wouldn't they want to move out?

My guess is that you got unlucky and went to clubs that had some of the minority rich or maybe you just got unlucky and met the wrong women.

It's a fair guess, and i appreciate the effort, but no. I've been going to Poland since i was a kid and my interpretation of the situation is determined, if not down right biased, by that. I've seen the reaction of others develop, not just to myself but friends who have come there with me, to the extent that it is quite startlingly obvious that Warsaw-ites are proud of themselves and their status as residents of Warsaw, in a similar fashion to Cypriots post EU entry or Croats this summer. They no longer seek the greener grass, and definitely not eagerly. Things have changed dramatically since, without being certain of a particular moment, let's say circa 2007, the majority of Warsaw-ites came to the realisation that their standing of living was the envy of almost all of Poland and, to a fair degree, not inferior to that which was on offer to them should they uproot and move to Lyon, Stockholm, Frankfurt or Leeds. The key point, which perhaps might have slipped past, is that i am speaking only of Poles residing in Warsaw, not Poles generally.

Most girls, guys too, in Warsaw between the ages of 18-32 know people (friends or family) in London, Southampton, Dublin or wherever the Anglican church has once tried to place its cross. They know, through those people, that their life in Warsaw is equal too, in more instances than not, the one offered to the Pole in these other places and, what's more, the Warsaw-ites have the status and prestige that the Pole in London, who emigrated in 2005, for example, is likely to not have. The Pole who stays and works in Warsaw has a level of esteem that the Pole who emigrated to London typically doesn't. Whereas once it might have been cool to work in London, return to Poland, and be seen as 'that person' who works 'over there'. Now there is almost a sense of 'inward shame' in having to seek a career abroad, for Warsaw-ites, that is. Granted, much of my social network in Warsaw is upper middle class, but i'm not naive enough to base these thoughts on something as flimsy as that. Besides, if i were, would i confess the foundation of the thoughts so swiftly? Well, perhaps i might, were it a game of bluff, but, frankly, if you believe me or not is of little concern to me. What is of concern is the veracity of the information on this forum. I only joined the other day, after being a non posting guest for quite a while, and made a point to myself. If i am going to be part of this forum i might as well contribute. If somebody is providing misinformation and it might be interpreted as a solid considered thought, not merely a disinterested distant opinion, well, then i ought to point it out, should i happen to know otherwise. And here, in this instance, i do.

My social network in Warsaw is tight. I can see their mentality. Conflate that with the mentality of the girls i have met anew, without introduction via mutual friends, and i see it is a wider phenomena. Warsaw girls might want some American dick for the weekend - to say they have done it - and they might want an Italian guy for the holidays - after they easyjet their holiday to Venice - but in no way are they all eager to move out of the city and get on, as you suggested. You're wrong. But it's ok. Unlike the girls in Warsaw I AM eager to move on.