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jdelisi · 2012-11-23 02:25:00 · #954
Plenty of things going on in Wroclaw now, they are setting up all of the Christmas stuff in the main square. University classes are also in full swing here, and I am seeing girls everywhere! I only arrived a couple of days ago, but already I can see that this place has potential.
A lot of girls are open to generous foreigners in Poland.The price you pay is the same as the local rent which is true everywhere.For example if the rent is 300$ per month with 300$ per month you get one girl.With 600$ per monh you get two girls.The list of girls is endless as long as you pay.
This is the sponsor angle although many girls want a guy they can rely on financially.This is one of the main reasons slavic girls are so open to guys since in local culture the guy has to pay every interaction with men is in their interests.
Generally the slavic society turns a blind eye to all girls' ways since they are supposed to compensate for the rather unpriviledged position of women in their society.Since men earn more they are supposed to help the women who are in financial need.An arrangement very beneficial for both men and women.Many girls learn this behavior from their mothers who they see with strangers and mothers do not condemn daughters for gold digging behaviour as they can be benefited by this as well.
This is the sponsor angle although many girls want a guy they can rely on financially.This is one of the main reasons slavic girls are so open to guys since in local culture the guy has to pay every interaction with men is in their interests.
Generally the slavic society turns a blind eye to all girls' ways since they are supposed to compensate for the rather unpriviledged position of women in their society.Since men earn more they are supposed to help the women who are in financial need.An arrangement very beneficial for both men and women.Many girls learn this behavior from their mothers who they see with strangers and mothers do not condemn daughters for gold digging behaviour as they can be benefited by this as well.
XXL · 2012-11-23 03:46:00 · #956
Is it me or Greek kamaki likes to write posts that have nothing/little to do with actual direction of the conversation in the thread. At least that's my impression. No offense but tt times it just looks like he checks which threads got updated lately then he writes some random wikipedia like facts and he posts that irrelevant stuff in the thread out of the blue. I mean, what "A lot of girls are open to generous foreigners in Poland.." has to do with latest 10 posts in the Poland Thread? I'm not dissing. I'm just curious.
What did they do to you there?
It's kind of funny how opinions differ. Nick for example currently lives there and he say Warsaw is THE place to be in Poland. Interesting
(11-22-2012 09:29 PM)Roosh Wrote: So I've been in Warsaw over a week so far.
I may have to bust my own hype about Poland. Either that or Warsaw is very different than second-tier. I'm going back to second-tier to see if it's just Warsaw or something else I missed in my first trip.
Either way, the shine is off Poland. I'm disappointed.
What did they do to you there?
It's kind of funny how opinions differ. Nick for example currently lives there and he say Warsaw is THE place to be in Poland. Interesting
Samseau · 2012-11-23 04:05:00 · #957
(11-22-2012 09:29 PM)Roosh Wrote: So I've been in Warsaw over a week so far.
I may have to bust my own hype about Poland. Either that or Warsaw is very different than second-tier. I'm going back to second-tier to see if it's just Warsaw or something else I missed in my first trip.
Either way, the shine is off Poland. I'm disappointed.
Things can vary drastically between cities. Just compare NYC and DC.
temujin · 2012-11-23 05:06:00 · #958
(11-22-2012 09:29 PM)Roosh Wrote: So I've been in Warsaw over a week so far.
I may have to bust my own hype about Poland. Either that or Warsaw is very different than second-tier. I'm going back to second-tier to see if it's just Warsaw or something else I missed in my first trip.
Either way, the shine is off Poland. I'm disappointed.
Average monthly wage in Warsaw:
![[Image: w15.jpg]](http://www.business-in-poland.com.pl/images/stories/stat/w15.jpg)
Pushing 5000 PLN a month which is $1500 USD per month.
Poznan will have monthly wages significantly lower than Warsaw + have fewer foreigners + have more "naive" students and provincial types.
Pretty simple to me why Warsaw would require more value, status, and local ties.
On the upside, I'd imagine you'll get a far greater supply of educated, professional women than anywhere else in the country.
urges · 2012-11-23 05:15:00 · #959
What worked for me in Warsaw is ‘happy hour game’
My polish business partner introduced this concept to me. Some people who finish work in the evening don’t want to drive in the traffic so they go out to happy hour bars get a few drinks and or finish dinner then drive when rush hour traffic is over.
Most of the girls I met here were young professionals and didn’t bang on the same night. I told them that I was a travelling businessman who visits Poland often and would like to meet up next time when I am in town. They didn’t seem to mind too much, but it was effort on my end to stay in touch until next trip. Usually, I transit through Warsaw and stay an extra day for business and meeting a chick that I have known from the previous trip. The bang usually happened on the first date when we went out together alone later part of the night. There were a couple of times when I went out as a group and the bang did happen but most of the time, I felt like an outsider after the first 15 minutes.
Anything else, just ask
My polish business partner introduced this concept to me. Some people who finish work in the evening don’t want to drive in the traffic so they go out to happy hour bars get a few drinks and or finish dinner then drive when rush hour traffic is over.
Most of the girls I met here were young professionals and didn’t bang on the same night. I told them that I was a travelling businessman who visits Poland often and would like to meet up next time when I am in town. They didn’t seem to mind too much, but it was effort on my end to stay in touch until next trip. Usually, I transit through Warsaw and stay an extra day for business and meeting a chick that I have known from the previous trip. The bang usually happened on the first date when we went out together alone later part of the night. There were a couple of times when I went out as a group and the bang did happen but most of the time, I felt like an outsider after the first 15 minutes.
Anything else, just ask
Smitty · 2012-11-23 05:17:00 · #960
You should go back to Wroclaw and give it another shot before writing off Poland as hype. You wrote favorably about it in your book.
jdelisi · 2012-11-23 05:18:00 · #961
nice chart. Just curious if someone could give me one that shows average income, bitch factor, cockblock potential, luxury item social proof, u.s. husband status, approaches needed, number of text exchanges, facebook friend requests, and dates it would take me to get a bang?
Oh, and I also want a nice looking graph!
Oh, and I also want a nice looking graph!
Nick · 2012-11-23 05:53:00 · #962
Agree with the out of the blue Kamaki posts. As mentioned previously, perhaps this has to do with his experience in Greece, but I haven't seen evidence of this here. Prostitution is legal in Poland, but I haven't heard of this business with sponsorships and it's not a cultural norm that I'm aware of.
I think you're right on with how opinions differ and the more I think about it the more it comes down to the individual, their experience and goals. I have Polish heritage, family/friends, know the language and arranged to live here for 5 months. My experience is going to be very different from someone who doesn't know Polish, has little experience with the culture and is coming for a week. This isn't meant to discourage, but just give a realistic picture of the challenges faced in a short stint to a new country/culture.
I agree with Roosh on Warsaw as far as night life, that's why I gave it up for day game. This time of year it's wet and grey so not ideal for street approaches, but I still got a couple numbers off girls in the 7.5 range last week. If you're into day game, come check out Warsaw in the spring or summer. If night game is your thing, you may as well focus on Poznań, Wrocław, Kraków or other cities. At the same time, Warsaw night life may be great compared to where you are coming from, like I heard from another forum member who visited, but if you've partied in a dozen other countries it may not be. In general I'd recommend Poland in the spring and summer whatever type of game you're into.
I like to travel, but my ideal situation is to work several months in the U.S. and spend most of the rest of my time in Poland. I want to make the most of knowing the language, logistics, culture and low cost of living. An alternative to short trips to a variety of places is to work out a situation where you can live in a new country for at least a month or more. I think you'll set yourself up for more long-term happiness with a second place in the world you can call home. It'll also give you more of an incentive to learn the language which will open up more opportunities with women, friendships, experiences, etc.
I think you're right on with how opinions differ and the more I think about it the more it comes down to the individual, their experience and goals. I have Polish heritage, family/friends, know the language and arranged to live here for 5 months. My experience is going to be very different from someone who doesn't know Polish, has little experience with the culture and is coming for a week. This isn't meant to discourage, but just give a realistic picture of the challenges faced in a short stint to a new country/culture.
I agree with Roosh on Warsaw as far as night life, that's why I gave it up for day game. This time of year it's wet and grey so not ideal for street approaches, but I still got a couple numbers off girls in the 7.5 range last week. If you're into day game, come check out Warsaw in the spring or summer. If night game is your thing, you may as well focus on Poznań, Wrocław, Kraków or other cities. At the same time, Warsaw night life may be great compared to where you are coming from, like I heard from another forum member who visited, but if you've partied in a dozen other countries it may not be. In general I'd recommend Poland in the spring and summer whatever type of game you're into.
I like to travel, but my ideal situation is to work several months in the U.S. and spend most of the rest of my time in Poland. I want to make the most of knowing the language, logistics, culture and low cost of living. An alternative to short trips to a variety of places is to work out a situation where you can live in a new country for at least a month or more. I think you'll set yourself up for more long-term happiness with a second place in the world you can call home. It'll also give you more of an incentive to learn the language which will open up more opportunities with women, friendships, experiences, etc.
(11-23-2012 03:46 AM)XXL Wrote: Is it me or Greek kamaki likes to write posts that have nothing/little to do with actual direction of the conversation in the thread. At least that's my impression. No offense but tt times it just looks like he checks which threads got updated lately then he writes some random wikipedia like facts and he posts that irrelevant stuff in the thread out of the blue. I mean, what "A lot of girls are open to generous foreigners in Poland.." has to do with latest 10 posts in the Poland Thread? I'm not dissing. I'm just curious.
(11-22-2012 09:29 PM)Roosh Wrote: So I've been in Warsaw over a week so far.
I may have to bust my own hype about Poland. Either that or Warsaw is very different than second-tier. I'm going back to second-tier to see if it's just Warsaw or something else I missed in my first trip.
Either way, the shine is off Poland. I'm disappointed.
What did they do to you there?
It's kind of funny how opinions differ. Nick for example currently lives there and he say Warsaw is THE place to be in Poland. Interesting
XXL · 2012-11-23 07:06:00 · #963
Nick, from your writing alone I can tell it'd be pleasure to go with you. Looking forward to coming to Warsaw for a fun weekend, just need to deal with some formal stuff.
Maybe I need to post some photo evidence to be more convincing.
(11-22-2012 09:29 PM)Roosh Wrote: So I've been in Warsaw over a week so far.
I may have to bust my own hype about Poland. Either that or Warsaw is very different than second-tier. I'm going back to second-tier to see if it's just Warsaw or something else I missed in my first trip.
Either way, the shine is off Poland. I'm disappointed.
Lets hope that with its increasing economic development, Poland wont be going the way of Brazil. It would be a shame to lose another pussy paradise.
Roosh · 2012-11-23 08:44:00 · #966
Quote:Nick for example currently lives there and he say Warsaw is THE place to be in Poland. Interesting
Yes I've met up with Nick and he has given me great information which as helped my experience, but like he just mentioned, nightlife here is sub-par. There are many venues, but it's spread it and it's hard to get a handle of logistics.
I'm 90% sure my current problems relate to the city, but regardless it pokes a large hole into how I think of Poland to where my thoughts have been drifting back to Croatia.
EU Explorer · 2012-11-23 16:46:00 · #967
(11-23-2012 08:44 AM)Roosh Wrote:Quote:Nick for example currently lives there and he say Warsaw is THE place to be in Poland. Interesting
Yes I've met up with Nick and he has given me great information which as helped my experience, but like he just mentioned, nightlife here is sub-par. There are many venues, but it's spread it and it's hard to get a handle of logistics.
I'm 90% sure my current problems relate to the city, but regardless it pokes a large hole into how I think of Poland to where my thoughts have been drifting back to Croatia.
Roosh in my experience after you have been to Wroclaw some of the other big cities tend to disappoint due to the very favourable ratio, friendly Silesians and good nightlife. There are still some smaller cities that may be good and when its warmer I am going to investigate (Czestochowa, Rzeszow, Szczecin, Torun)
Roosh: are you sure you're not doing the "I didn't do well so it must be the country" rationalization?
The most beautiful women of every country gravitates towards the big cities.
Being a well traveled 30 something man you should be connecting with Warsaw women better than the naive student demographic of 2nd tier cities.
The most beautiful women of every country gravitates towards the big cities.
Being a well traveled 30 something man you should be connecting with Warsaw women better than the naive student demographic of 2nd tier cities.
Brosemite · 2012-11-23 23:25:00 · #969
(11-23-2012 09:00 PM)Wolverine Wrote: Roosh: are you sure you're not doing the "I didn't do well so it must be the country" rationalization?
The most beautiful women of every country gravitates towards the big cities.
Being a well traveled 30 something man you should be connecting with Warsaw women better than the naive student demographic of 2nd tier cities.
Warsaw is kind of a confusing place where everything is scattered as it probably takes time living there for a longer period of time to be "in the know." Also the scene there is kind of like Vienna, Austria where the nightlife and other gastronomic options are only marketed to locals living there for quite some time as well. I imagine it'd be like a residual incoming flow of chicks once getting a hang of it though, haha. Wouldn't know myself bc I only spent one day there before taking night train to another city.
Nonchalant · 2012-11-24 05:18:00 · #970
Will be in Warsaw for 10 days in December, this thread has some good insight. I'll be gunning for a flag (blew my chance for a Polish flag in Stockholm a few years ago) but logistics will be shit. Any idea how "in-demand" tall (194cm) bearded Americans are over there?
XXL · 2012-11-24 05:29:00 · #971
If I told you that most girls in Warsaw blow out every tall bearded American they meet, would you still go? Ignore what girls want and game as usual.
Roosh · 2012-11-24 07:10:00 · #972
I will say that Warsaw is the only place that Polish girls asked me to buy them a drink (happened twice).
In my second week here I am getting somewhat into a groove as I find spots I like, but I don't think I want to commit more time trying to crack it when other Polish cities don't need this type of labor.
Beneath some of the problems, the warm Polish female is still present, but I see the negative effects that big city life has on them.
In my second week here I am getting somewhat into a groove as I find spots I like, but I don't think I want to commit more time trying to crack it when other Polish cities don't need this type of labor.
Beneath some of the problems, the warm Polish female is still present, but I see the negative effects that big city life has on them.
Branimir · 2012-11-24 09:01:00 · #973
What you encounter in Warsaw is something you can encounter in nearly every capital city in the world, which is a more posh and self-loving attitude compared to the rest of the country.
So basically something everybody should've already had in the back of their mind.
So basically something everybody should've already had in the back of their mind.
gadabout · 2012-11-24 09:08:00 · #974
Krakow kinda sucks so far. I can deal with the touristy aspect for now but the clubs are pure sausage fests and the venues are all exactly the same. After midnight bar areas become empty with a few guys hanging around whilst everyone else is packed onto tiny dance floors with music blasting at a million decibels. Coupled with the fact that there is hardly any talent this city has to be the worst set up for approaching girls. I might try one of the larger clubs... Shakers and Frantic but I was told to get there early before the girls are completely outnumbered.
Smitty · 2012-11-24 09:18:00 · #975
Seems like Wroclaw and Poznan are the only two cities this time of year with any quality opportunities.
XXL · 2012-11-24 10:04:00 · #976
Tip of the day: The more bitter the overall opinions/reviews are [pretentious vibe / stuck up people / tough door / poshy] the hotter the venue is, the hotter the girls are aka the more you want to go there. Don't get me wrong good reviews mean the club is cool and friendly but you those BAD reviews show how intimidated guys were inside which is a good sign. To me at least. Dress to impress, find few chicks to get with them inside and you're good to go.
Warsaw:
Enklawa
- "The women here are not as ideal as in Platinum, but they are much friendlier, less pretentious, and easier to approach. You will always have a nice night out here."
- "I also encountered the attitude several others here dislike. I got refused at the door, so I guess I was either not rich enough or not beautiful enough. Since I am a guy, probably the first alternative. I really think it is a sign of complete snobbery that they refuse people at the door who dress ok, are not drunk and are behaving politely. I have my dignity and self respect, so I will not give them another chance"
- "Hi,we went as a hen weekend from UK - Friday night not good music and people not friendly."
- "The music was crap but the woman were so amaaaaazing...
Tall, in shape, like models, I have never seen anything like this before in my life... (Been to Argentina, Brazil, Scandinavia,...)Go there you won't regret it 
"
- "Enclawa is the most customer-unfriedly club in Warsaw"
- "Guys, if you want to see tall gorgeous girls this is the place to be.. Its a really nice looking place and the toilets also get the thumbs up Good music (Saturday was house music) and plenty of eyecandy.. Check it out it wont dissapoint "
Platinum
- "Poshy club, only to show off. Beautiful and expensive drinks. You can dance but forget the action u're looking for. Nothing can happen there"
- "I don't think this is a great club because I didn't enter and many groups were often going out on friday and saturday night. You have to be dress like a gentleman and not seem stranger."
- "nice place but stupid door selection, people in there pretend they have money when they dont at all, not the best opera is far better"
- "OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BEST, BEST CLUB IN THE WORLD AND I GO CLUBBING ALL OVER...VERY POSH ....LONDON CLUBS ARE NOTHING COMAPRED TO THIS ONE........ AND THE GIRLS!! IT WAS LIKE IM IN HUE HEFFNERS PLAY BOY MANSION... 10 OUTA 10..."
- "The hottest club in Warsaw. It is tough to get in sometimes, but when you do it is worth it. The women that come to this place defy description. They are definitely pretentious and very difficult to pick-up, but they are nice to look at."
- Dont be surprised if you are refused at the door, if you are wearing a tshirt... Come on. Once you are in, there are two floors, one with house/dance music, and one with r'n'b hip hop. For not more than 120 pounds, you can relax in the vip which overlooks the main dancefloor, with a bottle of Jack Daniels. Definitely very elagant crowd, girls are absolutely amazing!
- "THE most pretenoius place outside of London. The girls are hot, but not quite as hot as they'd like to be.Shakira is beautiful.Viva Lebanon!!!"
Opera
- "I loved the place in itself, but the rude and prejudice doormen caused a lot of problems for my friends who accompanied me to the club. For that respite, I would not return."
- "Unfortunately I am very disappointed with this club. Doormen are spiteful and unpolite. Apart from that expensive drinks and dodgy guys inside. I would not recommend this club. "
- "Super lame!"
- "The place is Gay"
Krakow:
Frantic Club
- "none of the girls will even look at you and we were told they are simply there to keep you in the club so you spend all your money but will automatically reject you if you go near them"
- "hot girls"
- "This is the most terrible club I have been in Krakow. Better stay at hotel if you don't have any other choice"
- "plastic club with FAKE people"
Most of these people don't understand that good clubs don't need some fucking cockfest clique wearing polo shirts + white pumas and women inside don't need bunch of creepy faggots acting stiff and weird where people want to have fun.
Warsaw:
Enklawa
- "The women here are not as ideal as in Platinum, but they are much friendlier, less pretentious, and easier to approach. You will always have a nice night out here."
- "I also encountered the attitude several others here dislike. I got refused at the door, so I guess I was either not rich enough or not beautiful enough. Since I am a guy, probably the first alternative. I really think it is a sign of complete snobbery that they refuse people at the door who dress ok, are not drunk and are behaving politely. I have my dignity and self respect, so I will not give them another chance"
- "Hi,we went as a hen weekend from UK - Friday night not good music and people not friendly."
- "The music was crap but the woman were so amaaaaazing...
Tall, in shape, like models, I have never seen anything like this before in my life... (Been to Argentina, Brazil, Scandinavia,...)Go there you won't regret it "- "Enclawa is the most customer-unfriedly club in Warsaw"
- "Guys, if you want to see tall gorgeous girls this is the place to be.. Its a really nice looking place and the toilets also get the thumbs up
Good music (Saturday was house music) and plenty of eyecandy.. Check it out it wont dissapoint "Platinum
- "Poshy club, only to show off. Beautiful and expensive drinks. You can dance but forget the action u're looking for. Nothing can happen there"
- "I don't think this is a great club because I didn't enter and many groups were often going out on friday and saturday night. You have to be dress like a gentleman and not seem stranger."
- "nice place but stupid door selection, people in there pretend they have money when they dont at all, not the best opera is far better"
- "OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BEST, BEST CLUB IN THE WORLD AND I GO CLUBBING ALL OVER...VERY POSH ....LONDON CLUBS ARE NOTHING COMAPRED TO THIS ONE........ AND THE GIRLS!! IT WAS LIKE IM IN HUE HEFFNERS PLAY BOY MANSION... 10 OUTA 10..."
- "The hottest club in Warsaw. It is tough to get in sometimes, but when you do it is worth it. The women that come to this place defy description. They are definitely pretentious and very difficult to pick-up, but they are nice to look at."
- Dont be surprised if you are refused at the door, if you are wearing a tshirt... Come on. Once you are in, there are two floors, one with house/dance music, and one with r'n'b hip hop. For not more than 120 pounds, you can relax in the vip which overlooks the main dancefloor, with a bottle of Jack Daniels. Definitely very elagant crowd, girls are absolutely amazing!
- "THE most pretenoius place outside of London. The girls are hot, but not quite as hot as they'd like to be.Shakira is beautiful.Viva Lebanon!!!"
Opera
- "I loved the place in itself, but the rude and prejudice doormen caused a lot of problems for my friends who accompanied me to the club. For that respite, I would not return."
- "Unfortunately I am very disappointed with this club. Doormen are spiteful and unpolite. Apart from that expensive drinks and dodgy guys inside. I would not recommend this club. "
- "Super lame!"
- "The place is Gay"
Krakow:
Frantic Club
- "none of the girls will even look at you and we were told they are simply there to keep you in the club so you spend all your money but will automatically reject you if you go near them"
- "hot girls"
- "This is the most terrible club I have been in Krakow. Better stay at hotel if you don't have any other choice"
- "plastic club with FAKE people"
Most of these people don't understand that good clubs don't need some fucking cockfest clique wearing polo shirts + white pumas and women inside don't need bunch of creepy faggots acting stiff and weird where people want to have fun.
deepcov3r · 2012-11-24 13:01:00 · #977
(11-24-2012 07:10 AM)Roosh Wrote: I will say that Warsaw is the only place that Polish girls asked me to buy them a drink (happened twice).
In my second week here I am getting somewhat into a groove as I find spots I like, but I don't think I want to commit more time trying to crack it when other Polish cities don't need this type of labor.
Beneath some of the problems, the warm Polish female is still present, but I see the negative effects that big city life has on them.
So to clarify-- when they asked, it felt like sort of an exploitation move, rather than expressing openness , with some vulnerability?
The reason I ask is-- the other side of this is some girls who are STRONG AND INDEPENDENT (in a negative way) will refuse ANYTHING one offers them...
gadabout · 2012-11-25 16:24:00 · #978
Went to 5 different clubs last night and they were all sweaty cock fests. Went to Prozak bar... more my cup of tea actually but everyone seemed to know each other. I was getting a few eyes but absolutely no opportunity to approach.
Met an Italian guy whos lived here for 10 years. He spoke about the glory days in Krakow which had me salivating at the mouth. Anyway he knows everyone here so I know where to go and where not to and managed to hop along for a bit of VIP treatment.
Went to a sneaky little venue popular with the locals which had a decent crowd. Made one approach toward a Polish stunner but was instantly cock blocked by 2 guys who appeared from nowhere.
I also received a Bart Simpson style strangling after a guy saw his girl chatting to me in the smoking room. She approached me! I was too drunk to care so brushed myself down and just found the whole thing rather amusing.
Clearly once you venture outside of the tourist hotspots you are just going to encounter this kind of behaviour. If I cant bare the tourists and I am not welcome with the locals then this place is completely dead to me as far as I am concerned.
Chatted to a nice looking girl outside having a smoke. She took me to really cool 70s style bar. I thought my luck was in.. she seemed really into the whole thing until 5pm she declined my offer of a nightcap. Almost 2 valuable hours wasted on a Saturday night.
Watched 3 English dudes pull a group of Polish lovelies who I was too afraid to approach because I was on my own. Walking back home I saw 2 of the guys hop into a cab with 2 of the girls from the group. I wouldn't have cared if they weren't so fit. Gutted.
Overall though the quality is not good compared to Russia and Ukraine and they have a tad more attitude which is typical of a tourist hotspot I guess. This is the first city I have been which is a big disappointment but I kind of expected it. I just have to see these things for myself.
THis has also had me rethinking my visit to Prague. Has anyone been to both and can comment if they are the same sort of deal?
Met an Italian guy whos lived here for 10 years. He spoke about the glory days in Krakow which had me salivating at the mouth. Anyway he knows everyone here so I know where to go and where not to and managed to hop along for a bit of VIP treatment.
Went to a sneaky little venue popular with the locals which had a decent crowd. Made one approach toward a Polish stunner but was instantly cock blocked by 2 guys who appeared from nowhere.
I also received a Bart Simpson style strangling after a guy saw his girl chatting to me in the smoking room. She approached me! I was too drunk to care so brushed myself down and just found the whole thing rather amusing.
Clearly once you venture outside of the tourist hotspots you are just going to encounter this kind of behaviour. If I cant bare the tourists and I am not welcome with the locals then this place is completely dead to me as far as I am concerned.
Chatted to a nice looking girl outside having a smoke. She took me to really cool 70s style bar. I thought my luck was in.. she seemed really into the whole thing until 5pm she declined my offer of a nightcap. Almost 2 valuable hours wasted on a Saturday night.
Watched 3 English dudes pull a group of Polish lovelies who I was too afraid to approach because I was on my own. Walking back home I saw 2 of the guys hop into a cab with 2 of the girls from the group. I wouldn't have cared if they weren't so fit. Gutted.
Overall though the quality is not good compared to Russia and Ukraine and they have a tad more attitude which is typical of a tourist hotspot I guess. This is the first city I have been which is a big disappointment but I kind of expected it. I just have to see these things for myself.
THis has also had me rethinking my visit to Prague. Has anyone been to both and can comment if they are the same sort of deal?