(04-06-2016 12:21 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote:  ...this thread created the very strong impression that you can fly in to Bangkok and slam 7s without trying, 8s with some game and stunning 9s when you hang around for a while and move in certain social circles.

Thanks for summarizing, because that is what I, several friends and many forum members have done here.

(04-05-2016 03:05 PM)Travesty Wrote:  I was in Bangkok for a week in 2008 pre-game and pre-internet info, and pre-travelling balls.

From my gut though when I hear guys tearing up Bangkok what wilber wrote seems closest to the truth in my gut.

Just go to Google Images type in:

thai girls

Then type in:

vietnamese girls

Maybe it is just bias, I think Viet girls on average have a natural cutesy hotness where the Thai girl seems like they need plastic surgery and lots of extra to compete and often times it still looks a bit off.

I do not agree, after being here in Ho Chi Minh for a week. There is definitely some good looking girls around, but not at all like in Bangkok. I don't really like the Vietnamese look. Others might disagree with me, I've read before that Vietnamese are supposed to look really good or whatever but I'm disappointed.

I think that Thai girls look best in SEA, in my opinion at least. Didn't go to Cambodia and Indonesia yet though.


Oh and I have absolutely no interest in Russian girls. I think we should leave the troll alone.

(04-06-2016 12:21 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote:  The only thing left to say is that if you think you're a good looking Aussie who likes Asians and doesn't mind mass approaching, you're better off flying to San Fran and hitting up what you can there. For some reason as I have stated in other threads, the accent goes down a treat.

I've been to San Francisco many times, and was just there last week in fact. To say that an Australian guy should go to San Francisco over Bangkok, if he is looking solely for women, is just bad advice. The girls in Bangkok are just as attractive and more abundant, than the ones in San Francisco. The difference is that they are way easier, and the city is 100x cheaper. And she probably isn't some weird hipster, vegan chick.

Guys here are just sharing their experiences and appreciation for Bangkok. It's not for everyone. There is no sale.

If you want to party 7 days a week in warm weather with feminine asian women Bangkok is a great place. Are there other places you can do that too? Sure, but it ain't San Francisco.

(04-05-2016 11:42 PM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote:  Shes a 9 is she?

Why didn't you use these pics?

Yes, and when she dresses-up she's off the scale.

Your energy would better suited on learning new skills like "saving face".

(04-05-2016 11:42 PM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote:  Shes a 9 is she?

Why didn't you use these pics?

I get your point but a demure looking asian girl might have more sex appeal to me than a EE ice queen. I shouldn't have even started this as is she a 9 debates are pointless.

I appreciate you sharing your experience. I've had friends that loved Thailand and friends that hated it. It's sobering to have someone providing a counterview when recently it's been all love. I'd be interested if you have any data sheets to drop on locations you consider better than BKK.

Satoshi, did you go in with high expectations? The first city I visited was Hanoi and I thought the talent was good, better than Saigon I thought, but there are other problems with gaming in Hanoi. Been to Hanoi twice and HCMC twice along with several smaller ciites in the north and south. I like both Thai and Viet girls, actually I like all beautiful and feminine girls irrespective of ethnicity. The one thing I will say about the Vietnamese (women and men) is that they are a little too clever, but overall one of my favourite countries to visit in the region. If you have time, check out as many countries in the region as you can, they are all worthwhile and try to get off the beaten track if you can.

(04-05-2016 10:36 PM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote:  The women of Chinese, Korean and Jap ethnicity I have banged were all better looking than the Thai birds I banged in Bangkok. FACT.

On the point of isolating Asians and guessing their ethnicity, I'd like my chances of getting a fair few right. However, I tend to agree with you because the Koreans can look Japanese and vice versa and not everyone can tell the difference between a full blood Cambodian and a full blood Viet, e.g. That is the very reason why I used the words "from what I could tell" as a suffix to that particular sentence to make the point that the best looking women on the strip on those particular nights weren't Thai, but were Korean to the best of my visual capabilities in assessing Asian nationalities.

In depends what you want though. If you want prettier faces and body isn't as important, Japan is better. If you want more beautiful bodies and face isn't as important, Thailand is better. Everywhere has its differences. The only way you get both is to get into the top tier -- the pretty Japanese girls who also have good bodies, or the shapely Thai girls who also have pretty faces.

I've often pondered why the differences seem so pronounced. Why so many Japanese girls have such stunted legs, why so many mainland Chinese are ugly etc. Or like Roosh mentioned: why so many Polish are 'butterface' versus the pretty (but less otherwise endowed) Ukrainians. My theory is that because maintaining beauty (displays of genetic fitness) is expensive for a population (it shifts reproductive & resource burden towards a smaller number of people), populations tend to focus on certain types of beauty more than others -- something that is imbued both into their selection instincts and their culture. There is only so much "selection energy" available to any population, so they tend to specialize somewhat. Racial formation (i.e. why I can spot Viet vs Chinese vs Japanese vs Thai, 8 or 9 times in 10) is probably a side-effect of this.

On the 'Koreans were the best looking': that's because they put an insane amount of work into their faces looking nice. Next time pay more attention to detail: from the side you'll see their skin change from shiny white to yellow at the makeup boundary; they'll often have 'unnaturalness' in the face that indicates plastic surgery; every single feature on their face will be highly cosmetically painted or affixed in some way. Wake up next to one of them with no makeup and you'll probably have similar sentiment you mentioned about the Thai girl.

(04-06-2016 02:40 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  I've often pondered why the differences seem so pronounced. Why so many Japanese girls have such stunted legs, why so many mainland Chinese are ugly etc. Or like Roosh mentioned: why so many Polish are 'butterface' versus the pretty (but less otherwise endowed) Ukrainians. My theory is that because maintaining beauty (displays of genetic fitness) is expensive for a population (it shifts reproductive & resource burden towards a smaller number of people), populations tend to focus on certain types of beauty more than others -- something that is imbued both into their selection instincts and their culture. There is only so much "selection energy" available to any population, so they tend to specialize somewhat. Racial formation (i.e. why I can spot Viet vs Chinese vs Japanese vs Thai, 8 or 9 times in 10) is probably a side-effect of this.

This is a thought-provoking insight and an interesting tangent. Do you have links to any papers that inspired you or favourite authors in evolutionary psychology? Cheers.

Wilberforceeggmont, I really appreciate your overall contrarian view. I think it's healthy to have a counterpoint to the idea that guys are merely presenting themselves -- notably in Thailand and the Philippines -- and are getting laid not just often but also with **quality** women.



^ This comic is even more suitable for S.E Asia.

You also raise some other views that largely match my own, e.g: "The women of Chinese, Korean and Jap ethnicity I have banged were all better looking than the Thai birds I banged in Bangkok". (Although for me I would say 'mostly' better looking rather than 'all').

I think that your message nonetheless presents a few issues for the readers looking to decipher the legitimacy of your view. For instance, you are admittedly bitter and this emotionally-charged outlook tends to distort the helpfulness of your counterpoint for an outsider perhaps looking for an objective perspective.

Another point, covered nicely by Armogan, indicates that your solution to the problem of unattractive Thai women--which is to go to the USA--is illogical and likely slanted by idiosyncratic disdain.

(04-06-2016 01:07 AM)Armogan Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 12:21 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote:  ...if you think you're a good looking Aussie who likes Asians and doesn't mind mass approaching, you're better off flying to San Fran and hitting up what you can there...

... To say that an Australian guy should go to San Francisco over Bangkok, if he is looking solely for women, is just bad advice. The girls in Bangkok are just as attractive and more abundant, than the ones in San Francisco...

TL;DR -- the hottest Asians girls are in Asia.

Considering your note on 'Asians' over the Thai-centric issue, I will explain further why I disagree with your suggestion.

In my experience if you took a random sample of 100 other Asians say Koreans who are living or staying in say Australia, and took 100 Koreans raised and living in Korea... it would be easier to approach and bang those in Australia, especially compared to your experience being in Korea without fluency in Korean. However, the quality of those in Australia is significantly LOWER.

(Caveat: there are significant differences in this home-vs-away ratio of success based on nationality, so generalizing across Asian countries is of limited utility here).

High status hot girls in Asia don't need to travel or meet foreigners to enjoy the lifestyle of an attractive woman - they already get that locally. Indeed in Japan they may even describe those staying overseas, who are older and/or searching for Western men, as Make-inu or "losers" [ref 1].

In Australia and much of the West, the local girls are so fat that these Make-inu pass for attractive and get attention from solid blokes whose primary alternative consists of fat, selfish, masculine white chicks *shudder*. Based on my own observations and discussions with Asians, if you contrast their experiences within their home country they generally report that they're treated as higher value overseas. They get (a) approached by more guys and (b) have higher self-perceived value because of it. Plenty of Asian 7s act like 9s in the West. It's the Charisma Woman effect -- the Reverse Charisma Man.

Reference: "Who's the Loser? Bestseller Illuminates Diversity of Women's Lifestyles" (2004) -- LINK: http://web-japan.org/trends/lifestyle/lif041029.html

Northern-Thai girls from around Chiang Mai and the like (of which there are plenty of in Bangkok) are fine as hell, and all my Japanese and Korean friends agree.

There is a high level of competition for the best looking women in every city in the world, and most westerners don't have a lot of success with top-tier women in Bangkok, but I'd still prefer to give members here the benefit of the doubt.

Didn't like Chiang Mai, women from the street couldn't understand me at all, so I tried to game the Chinese chicks and they are worse than the western women. Bars are full of stinky backpackers and working ladies.
Right now I'm down south and except the backpackers can't game anyone because of the language barrier.
Have only 2 weeks left, any ideas how to make this trip worse? Bangkok was the best place for game but I felt like it's mostly working ladies.

(04-05-2016 11:14 PM)Balkan Wrote:  Urassaya Sperbund for reference. If this chick isn't a 9 wilber sounds like Thai chicks just don't do it for you. That's fine. Travel elsewhere where you enjoy the women more

Urassaya is half Thai, half Norwegian.

(04-06-2016 12:47 PM)Kieran Wrote:  Northern-Thai girls from around Chiang Mai and the like (of which there are plenty of in Bangkok) are fine as hell, and all my Japanese and Korean friends agree.

There is a high level of competition for the best looking women in every city in the world, and most westerners don't have a lot of success with top-tier women in Bangkok, but I'd still prefer to give members here the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, Northern Thailand girls does it for me too. I do think if the Central Thai look does it for you, then Southern China is a much easier and abundant place to fish. The pedestalizing of light skin chinese looking girls in Thailand is off the charts. Dime a dozen in Southern China and Taiwan.

I've lived in BKK for several years and yes truelly knockout girls are rare to find if you hang out around Sukhumvit, Silom and RCA. However they are out their particularly once you know where to find them.

Either way grading 6,7,8,9 whatever is retarded, it's entirely subjective, chemistry goes a long way. As I think Cody said for me the harsh Russian ice queen look does absolutely nothing for me, the average fashion model just looks like they need a good meal, one mans trash etc.

(04-06-2016 10:29 PM)0898 Wrote:  Either way grading 6,7,8,9 whatever is retarded, it's entirely subjective, chemistry goes a long way.

It IS retarded, haha. But we still do it anyway. Locker room talk

Have to agree with chemistry going a long way. It's an important intangible.

It's a recurring theme on SEA threads where a guy will come in and compare Thais/Filipinas to East Asians. This new poster could have presented his arguments a bit better, but I'm in agreement with some of his points. My results have been pretty solid here, but I have pulled hotter talent in other Asian countries.

A few points after 6 months here:

1. Thai girls can be cute, but overall they aren't the best facially. A good body is a given for Asian girls so I don't place too much emphasis on that. Sexy Thai girls are everywhere, but a truly beautiful one is rare.

2. If you're into lighter shades of Asian then I also feel like there are better places to be than Bangkok. The minority of white-skinned Thai girls are fetishized beyond belief here, but most seem to have little interest in farang.

An interesting contrast: The other day I was in a certain tourist resort in Thailand where literally 1,000s of country bumpkins from China were visiting. Some of the Chinese girls in the tour group were giggling, pointing and even waving at us. I pointed out the irony of this to the other RVF member who was with me. White-skinned girls are considered "special" in Bangkok and yet there are literally 100,000s visiting here at any given time! This suggests that if your primary goal was to bang white-skinned Asians then China or other East Asian countries might be a better bet than Bangkok. Others have suggested Chiang Mai and other northern cities.

3. Finally, my biggest grouch with Bangkok girls is their personality. Too flighty, too much drama and high maintenance. Not particularly domestic or caring. There are certainly some very notable exceptions (I've actually managed to find one) but overall the LTR types are in scarce supply. I could overlook the appearance stuff if it wasn't for this aspect of the girls. It's as if they learn how to date by watching retarded TV dramas.

Any location is going to have pros and cons. Guys just have to decide which things they are willing to compromise on. Bangkok is a great city in many ways. I'm certainly not here because of girls as my primary motive. There are probably better places for that. The easy lifestyle, fun nightlife, amazing food, great expat community and cheap accomodation are all bigger factors that have drawn me to this city.

(04-06-2016 06:44 AM)Artiste Wrote:  Wilberforceeggmont, I really appreciate your overall contrarian view. I think it's healthy to have a counterpoint to the idea that guys are merely presenting themselves -- notably in Thailand and the Philippines -- and are getting laid not just often but also with **quality** women.



^ This comic is even more suitable for S.E Asia.

This guy is old school! I remember when this comic was all the rage among foreigners in Japan. Oh my, how times have changed since then.

(04-06-2016 11:09 PM)Bushido Wrote:  3. Finally, my biggest grouch with Bangkok girls is their personality. Too flighty, too much drama and high maintenance. Not particularly domestic or caring. There are certainly some very notable exceptions (I've actually managed to find one) but overall the LTR types are in scarce supply. I could overlook the appearance stuff if it wasn't for this aspect of the girls. It's as if they learn how to date by watching retarded TV dramas.

I personally find their flightiness detracts from the drama.

They won't give you tons of shit, but they will probably go out and fuck another guy.

And I find them to be VERY domestic. I'd bring an occasional girl home often, to them pointing out that there is other girls' hair everywhere (not making drama, really) only to wake up to them the next day cleaning my apartment. They will often bring me food that they cooked.

(04-06-2016 11:18 PM)CodyB Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 11:09 PM)Bushido Wrote:  3. Finally, my biggest grouch with Bangkok girls is their personality. Too flighty, too much drama and high maintenance. Not particularly domestic or caring. There are certainly some very notable exceptions (I've actually managed to find one) but overall the LTR types are in scarce supply. I could overlook the appearance stuff if it wasn't for this aspect of the girls. It's as if they learn how to date by watching retarded TV dramas.

I personally find their flightiness detracts from the drama.

They won't give you tons of shit, but they will probably go out and fuck another guy.

And I find them to be VERY domestic. I'd bring an occasional girl home often, to them pointing out that there is other girls' hair everywhere (not making drama, really) only to wake up to them the next day cleaning my apartment. They will often bring me food that they cooked.

Thanks for the response. To be fair, they are more domestic than western girls. I was comparing to other Asians as a given, but forgot to mention that part. Yes, I'm a spoiled motherfucker.

(04-06-2016 01:07 AM)Armogan Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 12:21 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote:  The only thing left to say is that if you think you're a good looking Aussie who likes Asians and doesn't mind mass approaching, you're better off flying to San Fran and hitting up what you can there. For some reason as I have stated in other threads, the accent goes down a treat.

I've been to San Francisco many times, and was just there last week in fact. To say that an Australian guy should go to San Francisco over Bangkok, if he is looking solely for women, is just bad advice. The girls in Bangkok are just as attractive and more abundant, than the ones in San Francisco. The difference is that they are way easier, and the city is 100x cheaper. And she probably isn't some weird hipster, vegan chick.

Guys here are just sharing their experiences and appreciation for Bangkok. It's not for everyone. There is no sale.

If you want to party 7 days a week in warm weather with feminine asian women Bangkok is a great place. Are there other places you can do that too? Sure, but it ain't San Francisco.

I appreciate there is an anti-San Francisco (SF) sentiment when it comes to notching. The common theme seems to be that the place is full of left leaning hippie chicks or downright feminazis akin to what is apparently found in Toronto. All I can do is relay my success there with the local Asians. I didn't know there were so many there when I first landed. Not having yellow fever, I was nonplussed, but I do fancy the good looking ones. I found them easy to lay. Here's why...

My experience in Australia tells me that Chinese Australian chicks love good cooking without necessarily being good at it themselves, are status-chasers as wealth is THE thing to have in Asia, admire highly-valued employment and grew up in families where the outward showing of affection and love from the mother was stunted and replaced with generalised strictness, mollycoddling, consistent instruction on the importance of doing well at school and also marrying well whilst not doing anything to shame the family. As such, they grow up socially challenged and lack the emotional intelligence to properly connect with Caucasians raised in "normal" loving environments, unless they were exposed to us pretty early on and realised how emotionally sterile their mum was. My first post in this thread spoke about Thai princesses rant about how rich their dads are. That is an example of how bad being a social dullard from an Asian family can get. I went to school with a lot of Asian girls because it was a co-ed private institution and I saw all of this first hand. Look up "Tiger Parenting" and you'll quickly learn all about the Asian way of raising children.

This knowledge allowed me to do well in SF because I know the Chinese American, and to a lesser extent the Vietnamese American, chicks are exactly the same as the Aussie versions. In a nutshell, I recommend an overall confident beta approach. Going in too strong will remind them of how some drunk white guy approached them aggressively at a university party and they shat themselves. Most people say you should go in strong and super confident but I disagree. Get them to talk a lot because they'll end up doing it in an obnoxious way regardless, but always lead the conversation. If Asian males are hanging around understand they are at best fake-Alpha, mostly Beta and even worse - halfway to Zeta. They should be zero threat. Just be cool with them. They never really stop you from picking up in their crew unless they're collectively in "gangsta mode". Is there anything weaker than a physically unimpressive Asian male acting tough? I cycle steroids on and off so they don't even try it with me. Work in to the conversation your cooking sills, whether you can or not, soft sell your great job whether you have it or not and tell them you've just moved, i.e., living in SF for 6-12 months. I got more traction when I told them work put me up in a hotel up until such time as I found another place. American girls lack the street smarts of women from other countries. They seem to have no bullshit radar. Maybe that's why most American men I have met tend to exaggerate and overhype.

Over 13 nights and two separate trips to SF I notched one very high 6 Asian local, a flat 7 Asian local and a legitimately low 8 Asian local. I also notched what I consider to be a flat 7 white Cali native. She said she was from Bakersfield. I'm a properly strict marker.

When I asked the low 8 Asian if she fucked me because of my accent, she giggled and said "Youre all so up yourself!" and walked off in to the bathroom. Cryptic. To this day I have no idea what she was trying to say.

In conclusion, I am left with no option but to state that anyone coming on to this thread and bluntly negating my advice encouraging young Aussies who look good and are willing to approach Asians, to visit SF, just isn't good enough at picking them up in what I concede could well be a tough market for most.

Several people have agreed on some of your points, and I'd agree that Bangkok isn't really a place where a tourist can come in and have great success with 7s and up within a short space of time, but you need to be offering more as an alternative than using steroids and cooking skills to pick up Asians in the west.

^ Agreed, and out of curiosity why exactly do you use steroids?

(04-07-2016 11:14 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote:  Not having yellow fever, I was nonplussed, but I do fancy the good looking ones.......Over 13 nights and two separate trips to SF

I have no issues with the debate around your points except for this:

Why the fuck would someone living in Oz fly all the way to SF unless there was a legitimate reason to do so, just to bang Asian girls? From anywhere in Oz to SF is quite literally opposite ideas of the globe. Higher quality? Sure, but don't tell us you can't get the odd stunner in Asia and you get laid more.

Going to SF instead of Asia for Asian girls is fucking retarded lol.

(04-07-2016 04:30 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  ^ Agreed, and out of curiosity why exactly do you use steroids?

I don't mean to be flippant, but...

Some people love fishing. I hate it.
Some people love ten pin bowling. I hate it.
Some people love conspiracy theories and following the Trump circus or reading up about who exactly had how many millions in Panama. I couldn't care less.

Some people don't care about carrying well above average amounts of muscle. I love it.

One day, probably in about 100 years, my guess is neuroscience will tell us why...

(04-07-2016 05:30 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  Going to SF instead of Asia for Asian girls is fucking retarded lol.

If someone like me can go in to parts of Asia and score - without too much hassle - legitimate high 7s and 8s, you may be right... but I doubt it. Again, the locals who Caucasian travellers usually pick up do not interest me. They're too ugly. Some have 9 bodies, but you have to put up with the 4/5/low 6 head. That's 99% of RCA. That's a waste of my time.

I don't believe posters in the Japanese and Taiwan threads who write of flying in, banging 8s+, and flying out a week later. A decent looking Eurasian friend of mine went to South Korea and failed miserably. Another mate with the blonde, surfy type look didn't rate the girls in Tokyo and Osaka he thought went with travellers because of their teeth, bowed legs, stumpiness and pasty skin. Having said that, I do intend to do Taiwan, Japan and South Korea next year- because I want to see them before I get too old. I will publish a data sheet to contribute to this forum and tell the truth about how easy it really is to score in the places which obviously have the best looking Asians, and how attractive the women I screwed really were.

On a final note, I have no doubt that there are white men who have smashed seriously good looking high 8s and 9s in a place like Japan, which I use as an example because that's the place I'm most looking forward to visiting out of the three. However, I would suspect that they speak Japanese, have extremely good jobs, live there and either got the right girl at the right time in what is essentially a conservative and highly xenophobic country or painfully courted them for months...