I agree with 0898 about the misunderstanding of the word 'HiSo' which for Thais is short for High Society. Others may have a different opinion of what constitutes HiSo, but this actually came up in conversation with my wife a few weeks ago. Families that have a close association with the Royal Family, or very wealthy old money and usually the family fits into both categories. Even very wealthy new money Thais are not really HiSo according to her.

Her Grandfather (deceased) was a General in the Thai army and she has had to put up with the whole class crap for most of her life, but she isn't HiSo. One of her aunts who is the shining star of the General's offspring and has a very senior position in the Thai government married an average Thai guy who's family is originally from Isaan. He is a great guy btw, and although Grandmother doesn't approve of him and to a lesser extent me, she pretends that we are part of the family and everyone else seems like they don't have a problem.

The extended family did inquire about Sin Sod, but luckily Grandmother had told my wife long before I met her that she wouldn't ask for it, so I didn't pay or display. In case anyone is confused, my wife lost both her parents when she was young and was raised by her Grandfather and Grandmother.

Gave up a seemingly sure notch by telling the truth about my intentions.

She asks if I'm looking for a serious relationship or just having fun. Some of her words... "because if I have sex with you, I'm going to easily fall in love and want you more and more. So if you aren't serious I want to know now so I don't get hurt. I'm looking for long term serious relationship. please be honest"

I didn't have the heart to lie and say I wanted something more, so I told her that I just got out of a relationship and was just looking to meet people and have fun. I added, "if you have any doubts about me, I won't ask you to come and see me. I only want you to come if you really really really want to... if not, we can just be friends."

She opted out. Fine. Didn't want to make it harder for the next guy. Onto the next

(03-13-2016 08:21 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(03-13-2016 12:28 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  "Got 5 girls" = 5 notches?

How is the quality compared to the Philippines?

Yes, I meant notches. Now at 6, all from online.

Quality is same or slightly better than Philippines, at least physically. But filipinas have more personality and better English. I find it a little hard to connect with Thais. Either way, I've gotten girls where I think "I don't get this quality back home... am I dreaming? Somebody pinch me..."

Tinder or Thai Friendly?

Are you telling them you're staying for a long time or admitting that you're just visiting and looking for fun?

(03-14-2016 05:17 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Gave up a seemingly sure notch by telling the truth about my intentions.

She asks if I'm looking for a serious relationship or just having fun. Some of her words... "because if I have sex with you, I'm going to easily fall in love and want you more and more. So if you aren't serious I want to know now so I don't get hurt. I'm looking for long term serious relationship. please be honest"

I didn't have the heart to lie and say I wanted something more, so I told her that I just got out of a relationship and was just looking to meet people and have fun. I added, "if you have any doubts about me, I won't ask you to come and see me. I only want you to come if you really really really want to... if not, we can just be friends."

She opted out. Fine. Didn't want to make it harder for the next guy. Onto the next

In my month in Thailand in 2014 I got the "how long are you here for?" or "what are you looking for?" shit tests more than all other times in my life added together.

Also had several girls chucking huge fits as to why I didn't want to see them... constantly asking what I'm doing over the phone... if I'm seeing other girls. I seem to attract crazy bitches tho regardless of country. Other guys' experiences I know that have been to TH don't reflect my own

I guess I can see why guys like heading over there to meet potential GFs wives (I'd personally only consider the top-tier girls) - but wouldn't go back to smash a bunch of pussy for another month. So much drama... still kinda fun tho... next stop Colombia?

Girl who I turned away because she wanted something serious is now pestering to meet me again. I'm in the middle of a date with another girl.

Go figure. Women... they work in funny ways.

The greatest irony is that the online chicks ask how long you stay but actually prefer the fresh meat off the plane. Go figure.

(03-15-2016 09:17 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Girl who I turned away because she wanted something serious is now pestering to meet me again. I'm in the middle of a date with another girl.

Go figure. Women... they work in funny ways.

They do indeed. The more they have to spell out how serious they are...

(03-14-2016 02:27 AM)0898 Wrote:  As an aside I wish people would steer clear of the whole "HiSo" thing it gets misused so often, trust me no one is meeting a genuine HiSo girl on the Internet and coming over to bang her on their holidays.

But she has a car.

^^^^

She paid for my meal.

Any members going to RCA tomorrow? Let's meet and have some drinks!

I was all over the dating sites and apps when I got here, may even say I was obsessed for a little while spending hours each day on it. Got to the point where the first thing I did when I woke up was to check my Line/Thai Friendly/ Thai Cupid etc.

A lot of girls will say spout generic crap like "I want a good guy" "I don't do one stand stand" or "I don't X, Y or Z" when in fact they will do all of them and more.

It's more just about trying to save face and not look like a slut. When you stop messaging them they'll keep messaging you to meetup. It was all getting a bit long winded for me so in my profile I just put it blunt. Acts as a natural filter to avoid that BS. However, doing this you'll also put yourself in the 'playboy' category and girls that otherwise would have meet for a ONS if you played their BS game are not going to message you.

I like that strategy Afarang. Time-saving I bet.

Yeah - there are very few truly "good" girls on Thai Friendly or Tinder etc.

If they talk about wanting an LTR/no ONS, it makes me suspect that they have already done it plenty of times. And let's face it. Most of them (the groupie girls) are riding the carousel pretty damn hard.

Relatively innocent chicks don't have the reference experiences to know what they "want" or "don't want", if that makes sense. You can feel the difference in their communication style alone.

When I was in Bangkok a few months back I hooked up with a girl and she got all clingy and wanted me as her boyfriend. I told her straight up that I'm not looking for a relationship (when I saw her FB she had loads of pics with farang dudes, definitely not the kind of girl I would be serious with). I suggested we can still be friends/fuckbuddys and to my surprise she agreed. Then she started asking me if I was meeting other girls, and how many I slept with. I told her pretty much the truth kind of as an experiment and partly because I really didn't care about losing her. Sure enough, she blocked my Line as soon as I said that So in my experience you should mostly try and avoid a playboy image, it might sound obvious but you can still be clear you're not looking for a relationship but at the same time don't even hint there are other girls. Say you're too busy with your work and/or travel too much to commit to a relationship.

Despite the "no ONS/hookups" being a dead giveaway that they've done it in the past, I actually prefer it when girls DON'T say this. Because if they do, it's more trouble than it's worth. I'd have to deal with questions like "what do you mean by 'fun'?" or "are you here just for the girls?"

I can deal with it by giving innocent answers, but their paranoia certainly doesn't help the interaction flow naturally.

I am off to Bkk next wednesday I already have started pipelining girls from Tinder. The quality on OKCupid and Badoo are very bad. I am having to spend a lot of time reading their profiles in case i swipe a lady boy and also the quality can range dramatically.

Its very easy to get their Line ID. Get it after a few messages exchange on tinder and start chatting to them on Line. I am now working out which girls are DTF and set up the meets straight away next week. A lot appears not to drink which will be challenging. The students (19-23) from university are the ones who seem to be the most outgoing and fun so far, I am 38 but passing off as 29, so wish me luck gents.

(03-16-2016 01:43 AM)Bushido Wrote:  I like that strategy Afarang. Time-saving I bet.

Yeah - there are very few truly "good" girls on Thai Friendly or Tinder etc.

If they talk about wanting an LTR/no ONS, it makes me suspect that they have already done it plenty of times. And let's face it. Most of them (the groupie girls) are riding the carousel pretty damn hard.

Relatively innocent chicks don't have the reference experiences to know what they "want" or "don't want", if that makes sense. You can feel the difference in their communication style alone.

My strategy is best for people who live here and don't want to deal with the BS. If you're here on a holiday I would go with what everyone else does.

Hello,

Does anyone know which bars in Bangkok are showing March Madness NCAA basketball games?

(03-18-2016 12:31 AM)Velebit Wrote:  Hello,

Does anyone know which bars in Bangkok are showing March Madness NCAA basketball games?

Email The Sportsman bar on Soi 13. They have over 33 TVs and show pretty much everything. I wanted to watch a football game once during the rugby cup final when they were packed to the gills and they put me in and 3 other people in the staff room to watch it.

Very accommodating and western owned. Second option is to check sites like "I Like HD" who offer on-demand streaming for lots of sports channels.

Well my first time in BKK as a post red pill single man was fun. My first impressions of it from my last visit a few years ago are still true, it's hot, dirty, smelly and the traffic is terrible. However this time I got to really experience the night life when the city comes alive and best of all sample the local talent.

My first day I got in late and and was working the next 2 days so it was pretty quiet, tried to convince some girls from Tinder to come and see me after work but none of them were down for meeting up on a work night and I couldn't head out for the same reason.
However roll around the weekend and it was open slather. Went out Friday, Saturday and Sunday night and pulled a girl each time. They were sweet, feminine and thin, a joy to be with.
I met the one I banged on Saturday night for lunch on Sunday and she payed. She knows I am only visiting, I was honest about this from the start, but I think she is a bit in love with me. Seems to be that Thai girls fall for you quickly.

So while I don't like BKK as a city overall, it has great nightlife and sweet women.

^^^^

Where did you go out?

Heading back to BKK today. 5 more days until I go back to the states. If anyone's around, let's grab a beer or head to a shisha place.

(03-15-2016 09:17 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Girl who I turned away because she wanted something serious is now pestering to meet me again. I'm in the middle of a date with another girl.

Go figure. Women... they work in funny ways.

Aaaannnd now she's in my bed naked. Once again, go figure

Thai girls are a bit extra delusional compared with another girls.

Arrived in Bkk on wednesday and had pipelined a few on tinder using fake gps.

First date met at Myst shisha place in Thong Lor, arrived late but she was ok. She doesnt drink so that didnt help and plus had to work the next day. I cut this one short and will try again on the weekend with her. I then messaged another as she works in a hotel and finishes at 11pm. She wanted to bring her friend along, i said no and after some persuasion she was ok with it and met me. We changed a few bars before she got a bit drunk. Jumped into a taxi and took her back to mine. Result.

Thursday went to scratch dog (a place really for foreign asian men to pick up local Thai woman) with a mate. Basically have a table and they play EDM music. Girls will go wondering but its very hard to game because of the loud music. I still managed to get a girls line as if you look good, they will approach. I notice they dont really make out in public so just a bump and grind. My mate has a gf in Bangkok and hes from London and she regularly goes ScratchDog. He checked up on her not saying that he was in BKK, she said she is going to bed. He is grinding some girl and all of a sudden another woman stands next to him. Guess what, its his gf. Talk about liars haha

Will see what today bring,

Opted to put this in the Bangkok thread instead of making a new thread…

So, my three week trip to Thailand has come to an end.

I had a fantastic time and met some amazing men from this forum. I’ve also spent time with some sweet, slim and feminine women that are an entire world apart from what I am used to in the West. I shoehorned a 5 day trip to Indonesia in there as well. I’m sad to leave, with difficult goodbyes to a couple of girls who got attached, but I will be back soon enough.

I will be back at my desk job by come Monday morning, sitting there half awake and groggy from the jet lag, and wondering if it was all a dream.

Bangkok. Wow, what a city. If it were spelled “Bangcock”, it would be perfectly apt. Apart from my Philippine trips, I had never gotten so much ass in my life - it’s insane. Both quality and quantity, even with the oversaturation of foreigners in many parts of Thailand, most notably BKK.

Total notch count for the trip? Probably 14 or 15, with some repeats. Bit fuzzy on this, though - this trip was just one big blur and I lost track especially during the second half. Many of these were 7s at least. Some 6s, a few 8s, and admittedly a couple of 4-5s I wouldn’t want to be seen in public with. Their ages ranged between 19 and 36, with most of them in their early-mid 20s.

Most of the women I met were from tinder, with a couple of mall or street swoops here and there. Zero nightclub pulls, though. Night game isn’t particularly my strong suit, no matter where I am in the world.

Anyway, some of those hotties were of model caliber, and one of them was a really cute 23 year old singer who performed an impromptu gig at a lounge with a live band. She must have a good voice because everyone at the bar, including the staff, really got into it as she sang. People were also looking at me like a semi-celebrity because I was with her.

When she was done, I told her in a proud fatherly tone, like when a dad praises his daughter for her performance at a school recital:

“I may be deaf, but I thought you were really good up there.”

The googly eyed look on her face was one I will never forget. Frantic banging ensued not long afterward. Nothing like watching her body move in harmonic waveform motion as she rode my cock, consuming herself with pleasure, eyes rolling into the back of her head, and licking her lips. Exhausted and smiling after we were done, she said, “oh baby, you killed me!” Fuck yeah.



We hung out the entire next day (I cancelled my other tinder dates). We were shooting the shit with her roommates at her place. We fucked in her bedroom three times while they were home, and they didn’t care. And here I am thinking that back home, I’d be “lucky” to be on a time-wasting date with an entitled 5 with a feminazi chip on her shoulder. We’re not in Kansas anymore, boys.

Now, instead of giving only the positive spin of things or sounding like I’m bragging, I’ll balance things out here a little bit with some yin against the yang, so to speak.

I do wish I did more day and street game to challenge myself more, as I started getting sick of online game towards the end of the trip - same conversations same dates different girls. I feel that if I lived here long term, I would pace myself with online game and push myself to do more day game. Probably won’t pull the numbers I got on this trip, but it might actually be better for my psyche and overall well being.

I did meet a few bad eggs and time wasters off tinder, where they put up absolutely zero effort while I tried to get through to them… not unlike many women in the US. In those cases I gave up after 15 minutes, paid for the drinks without ordering a second round, and left.

I also got SIFed three times in a row in Indonesia. One of them was huge. I mean, she was a WHALE. I’m fully convinced that, not only she used downward angles, but also changed the aspect ratios of her photos by actually compressing them horizontally to make herself look thinner. Devising an escape plan on the fly, I set an alarm on my phone to go off in two minutes. When it went off, I pretended to look perplexed at my phone, did a minute of (fake) frantic texting, and then excused myself for an “emergency meeting with a client” and ran off.

To be honest, I did experience culture shock on this trip. It takes time to adjust, especially for a first timer with no experience with a language that does not use the same alphabeticals as English. With a language like Spanish, you could at least get a sense of how to pronounce the words without knowing what they mean. Not so in Thai. For example, walking into a very Thai restaurant, as the only farang in the place, with zero English on the menu was quite disorienting. It was way out of my comfort zone. But I stayed, opting for plain rice and eggs. One step at a time.

Eventually I’d like to get to the point where I can pull a Beyond Borders and stroll into a 100% Thai venue with zero foreigner presence, befriending everyone, and swooping a few girls along the way. That will take better day game skills, though, and it gets me reconsidering about how I want to go about meeting girls (and new friends) in the future.

Again, I’m not too proud of the fact that I am pretty reliant on online game, even though it gives me great yields in SEA. I want to do more day game, and only use online periodically to take the edge off of my sexual urges during a string of dry days. This trip may possibly have been my last “bang mission” in the purest sense of the word. Like suffering needlessly in a poosy desert, putting all one’s time to solely bang women isn’t an ideal way to live (outside of a 2-3 week fuck off vacation to blow steam, of course).

I want to take a more balanced approach in future trips. On top of working as a freelancer, networking with other entrepreneurs and other expats, doing gym time, possibly muay thai, and learning the language, I’d do maybe a 50/50-ish combination of day and online game, with some social circle, and maybe some night game whenever the forum members get together. Even when I don’t pull in night game, I still have fun with the forum members and it’s worth going out every now and then.

I guess this is a long winded way of saying that I want to become a more well-rounded person who leads a more balanced life, than someone who almost always does online game.

And now some fun random facts and personal observations from this trip:

* Bangkok has terrible air pollution. The smog was so thick you could barely see the ground as your plane approached the airport from a few thousand feet up. Don’t think I’ll stay there forever for that reason alone.

* Lots of foreigners in Bangkok, but they all converge to the same streets and same bars. Don’t want to see any foreigners? Simply walk a few blocks away from those tourist traps.

* The BTS skytrain is awesome. Gets you to places fast. Would be nice if it ran around the clock, though.

* Motorbikes temporarily hopping onto sidewalks is perfectly fair game around here, but I hate that. I find it nerve wracking to say the least.

* Food and drink prices vary wildly depending on which venue you step foot into. Bottled water? In restaurants, you pay 50-100 THB. At a 7-11, only 5 THB.

* I was able to make it through the whole trip without getting sick or enduring a gastric incident.

* Never pay a taxi driver with large bills. Bring enough small bills or change. Some unscrupulous taxi drivers could claim to not have enough change and you end up way overpaying.

* Met a Thai girl on the BTS who started using sign language with me. She must have noticed my hearing aid. I was on the way to meet another forum member, RedGuard, and funnily enough, he said he saw me talking to that girl! I got her Line and interestingly, it turned out that she’s a working girl who goes to Nana almost every night.

* The aforementioned forum member, RedGuard, is a fearless approacher, and has game. He is way ahead of 98% of his peers in his age group by my estimation. Impressive.

* When Thai women say they want serious relationships, gently turn her away (if you’re not looking for anything serious). Watch their hamsters spin on overdrive. Only a matter of time before they come around, and whatever happens, your conscience remains clear... win-win.

* That said, Thais do fall hard and fast, like filipinas. Enduring a couple of teary goodbyes, with them refusing to release me from their hugs, makes it tempting to just say fuck it, pull up my return ticket and rip it to shreds.

* Some girls are complete horndogs who just want to fuck. One tinder girl came over to my place during her lunch break on 2 hours notice. After I finally came after 30 minutes of sweaty nonstop fast paced sex, she said - verbatim - “I still have 15 minutes before I have to go back to work. Is one cum enough for you?” I said, “oh it’s going to take me longer than 15 minutes to recharge…” She laughed at the word “recharge” and apologized for being in a rush. And yes, she was hot.

* I am starting to understand, in real life practice, the concept of Face in Asian cultures. Saving face, losing face. In Asia, it is everything. Their entire lives revolve around Face. When you grasp this, Asia makes a lot more sense.

* Cutting dates short, or cancelling them altogether, for a chance to meet up with forum members has always proved to be the right decision. 100%

* Conversely, the flake rate from Thais is refreshingly low. I think only 1 in 5 or maybe even 1 in 10 flaked on me, which is even less than pinays (1 in 3 for them in my experience).

* Looks like some interesting times ahead for Uber and Grab. In Jakarta, there was a huge protest against Uber and Grab by taxi drivers blocking the freeway on the opposite lanes as I was leaving for the airport. Some taxi drivers climbed onto the top of ubers and stomped on the car roofs, forcing the drivers and passengers out. Had I either taken an Uber, or the protest blocked my lanes to the airport, I would definitely have missed my return flight to Bangkok.

* You can get by in Bangkok without ever learning a single word in Thai. But I strongly feel that by learning some Thai and making an effort to understand some aspects of their culture, you will get so much more out of Thailand, lessening your feelings of isolation if you don’t want to hang out with other expats all the time.

Well, that was a much longer post than I intended...

It was a great, fun, and educational trip. Not only did I get ass in the quantities I wanted, but, more importantly, I met some inspirational forum members, learned a lot about myself as a man, and the traits that I want to further develop in myself.

Last note - I thought a lot about location independence while on this trip, even taking some of my work with me to get a taste of what it’s like. I already posted some of my thoughts in my location independence thread.

Now off to the airport for the trip back to the states. I should probably take a box of Kleenex with me.