Post: #3501

(04-28-2018 04:14 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 08:20 AM)JekyllAndHyde Wrote:  Is it just me or American girls have been very polite? They get a lot of bad rep here weight issues aside

My experience with American girls is that they are like about 50 times friendlier and easier to 'hook' than UK girls. I'm so very jealous of Americans in that regard!
Little things like walking up too an American girl and being like ''Hi, I'm Jack'' and extending your hand. She'll always shake it and give her name. She might even ask you a question.

With a UK girl if you walk up to her and say ''Hi, I'm Jack'' she will look at you like you are nuts! lol. Just wide eyed confusion. And she will definitely NOT just volunteer her own name. I struggle BIG TIME to hook UK girls, even with Night Game.

It's just the whole culture of talking to strangers that seems prevalent in the US, I guess

Part of being a foreigner in almost any foreign country is girls will be more polite and helpful in general on the approach, especially in less touristy locales. It of course creates more openings but it also creates a lot of time waster dead ends so you have to screen accordingly.

If you're in some small town you will pique people's curiosity with a foreign accent, but somewhere like Miami or Barcelona you'll be viewed as a tourist and get blown out by the locals a lot. All things equal American girls are probably above average friendly.

Post: #3502

I went to a shopping centre to look for a specific set of groceries.

Approach #1
I went and talked to a girl at the food court. Talked about kebabs. Local Aussie. The conversation died quick because she had to get her food and I'm not going to follow her eating food.

Approach #2
I went down an escalator (not lifts/elevator).
Spotted a nice looking girl with long hair and walked down the escalator.
Just as we were about to get off the escalator I turned around and went direct.
"Hi I thought you were cute and I had to talk to you"
Definitely an Aussie. Then I conversed about where she worked and how often she goes to the beach and other trivial items.
She had to go get cash and I asked for her phone number then we parted ways.

After getting what I needed I found her at a cafe with a much olde women and you'd say it's probably her mum.

Later in the night on the same day I drove to a new district of bars and a few nightclubs.
Paid the AUD15 cover charge and it was underwhelming venue including the gimmicks in a venue with only one floor.

I made many approaches both verbally and physically but they went nowhere. Heck in this new area before 5AM there was literally no gutter game targets.

(04-27-2018 01:54 PM)Trent W. Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 08:20 AM)JekyllAndHyde Wrote:  [...]

Takes real balls or cojones.
I'm not always in the mood to compete amongst hundreds and thousands of cocks on Tinder or fight over the scraps in nightclubs with shit ratios.
I thought my city would be flooded with PUAs like the numerous reports I receive about Kiev in Ukraine but it's not the case. Low competition on the streets where I am but generally low quality.
But I must keep approaching any nice looking girl or make a little allowance for women with massive jugs.

100% agree on that it takes balls. Approaching during the day is something most men will never do, much less do it consistently (I don't think I am the only one that is working towards being more consistent). Kudos for that.

One question though, are you getting better at approaching? Do you analyze your approaches and take the "feedback" that's given to you in order to improve? Are you closing? It seems that you are doing fine in regard to volume of approaches so I think you should focus on making some of them count.

My approaching depends on the mood. I can talk and ramble much more clearly when my mood and my day has been good. I felt like I had a little low energy and I still got a number from my second approach.
I want to keep my interactions as natural and with as much plausible deniability as possible but have intend to take her out and hopefully a bang sooner or later.
I don't pay for bootcamps and I'd rather self-teach myself and it goes both ways where I still am finding places where I could have better success, through trial and error. As you may or may not know you should take all this 'PUA' material out there with a grain of salt especially with Tom Terero caught faking in-fields.
I can go on about complaining about my lower sexual market value in Australia but on the bright side it just make me sustain the will to push myself even further.
Good on you if you get a bang after 10, 50 or 100 daytime approaches it varies from man to man and other factors.

I don't kiss girls out in public in broad daylight and only do a light touch or pat on the shoulder at most as it's not some dark environment in a bar or nightclub where I can afford to get more physical.
My bangs so far have been outside of daygame including solo nightclub raiding as one method and I've recently diversified more into to daygame.

I can't force attraction. There are girls who wouldn't give me or some dudes the time of day no matter what I or we do or say. So I quickly move on and don't waste our time as I've recounted here many times. That's why I keep approaching.
Someone can say location A is a pussy paradise where there are 100 beautiful women in an outdoor beach club but if none will put out for you no matter what you do what is the point?

Here's one example for yesterday evening.
Girl A makes a move on Dude A.
Dude A responds lightly but does not reciprocate and escalate. Went away with his male buddy.



She gets bored. I tried to make a move on Girl A. She does not want anything to do with me. She goes after Dude B who actually reciprocates, escalates and within a few hours they disappear.

Post: #3503

Crime and punishment. Or how to learn "Always be closing" the hard way.

Went out with a couple of friends last night. Hit a bar for a beer first, then onwards to the second bar/pub that stays open until a bit later. It was only half full at that time.

On one corner of a high table two young girls sitting, same girls I had seen at the first bar. They were next to each other and facing the bar. Typical easy to open position. I tell my friend to go there, and we place our drinks on the table while at the same time I "ask" if it's ok to sit there. We immediately start chatting. They say they're out of town (#1) and only here for the weekend for a training event. Both cute and thin. Dressed in the semi-hipster uniform, fur jacket, jeans and sneakers.

After some chatter, it's clear that me and the girl opposite me click. She starts talking about what she does, she's very social and friendly. When I tell her what I do for a living she says "Maybe we could do something together" with a big smile (#2). I high five her. My friend engages her friend so all is going good. She asks me what our plan was for the night, if we're going somewhere afterwards and says she loves being out and meeting people (#3). We keep chatting, convo has a good flow and at some point she asks me if I smoke. "No, are you a smoker?" I respond. "No, but I want to smoke now" (#4). "Alright, I can get some fresh air". We go out. Isolation.

As we're out she stands at a relatively close distance i.e. not standing far away or avoiding me (#5). She asks me what my plan was for the night and I say I guess I'm lucky cause what I wanted was to learn about X, where X is what she does. Some laughter there, and then I go on to comment that she does not look like she's from there etc. Long story short we chat a bit and then go in.

When we go in we introduce ourselves formally. She repeats how much she likes meeting new people and wanting to know about them. Some more chatter until my friend goes to the WC. At this point she and her friend start talking about...other guys at the bar. Window closed.

I turn at an angle and don't give them attention, checking out the bar and what else is there. They invite a guy over, and shortly after they go to meet him and his friend at the bar. My friend comes back and we get to talking with him. As they leave, she tells me "We're going to the bar" to which I respond with an "alright".

To bring the story to an end, my friend told me that they left with those guys. Where guys, imagine something like this:


I did not see them as competition, I don't even feel bad about the girls leaving with them. What I do feel bad about is not CLOSING. All the # I've placed here are cues. Cues about what situation we're in and how the interaction is going. In short, I had plenty of information to go for a close when isolated. I can think of at least 3 ways I could have physically escalated going from kino to tension to kiss. I had my chance there, it came effortlessly and I did not follow through. I was in doubt. And when in doubt you generally err on the side of aggression, which I did not. Whether or not she would comply with the kiss and what would happen next is a different story. Everything to that point was by the book though. Interaction reaches a point of climax, you don't deliver, it's over.

Continued the night with a couple more approaches and got a number that's probably going to flake.

Post: #3504

It's getting cooler and darker so there's a lot less nice looking young women to approach these days.

Yesterday
In a hurry to sports training. It wasn't a good day this time.

Approach #1
As she walked from the opposite direction I tried to open her.
She continued to walk on by without stopping.

Approach #2
Saw a girl playing with her phone.
Chatted up her a bit and found out she was interstate and is leaving tomorrow morning.
She right away used the excuse "Sorry I gotta go meet my friends" to just bail.
Ended right there.


Today
Expected an important phone call so I missed out on a few potentially good approaches as I walked along the way.

Approach #1
I go into a clothing store to see if there's anything worthwhile to look at then approach the door girl who has a nice body, from behind and the side.
I walk past then do a turn around as an approach.

(I don't like getting too technical and overanalyse things but I approach around 20 to 40 degrees relative to her front, not 90 where the interaction doesn't seem plausible but not directly in front blocking her way)

I ask about why she is being that doorgirl.
Then I noticed as soon as she opened her mouth that she has a massive gap between her front top row of teeth.
Gave her one more chance and talked for just a little bit further and the conversation wasn't going to transition to being casual at all initially so transitioning to flirting wasn't likely to occur.
Based on those factors I finished up and left.

Approach #2
Eventually I saw a woman who was a fitness type.
She was bending down packing her bags hastily. Why did I even approach?
I tried to guess she was French and she declared she was an Aussie and other small talk. Then she had to go off to her class and waved goodbye.
I didn't even think about going for the high speed direct talk or contact detail grab.

Post: #3505

Anyone practicing long term game in the gym? To clarify, not long term in the sense in being slow and non aggressive and thus ultimately put in the friend zone, but slow in the term where you continue conversation over a couple of times and at the end going for contact info.

I am practicing such game in coffee bars on waitresses because of "conditions" I described in couple of posts few pages ago. Now, since I started going to gym I would like to go for same way here. What are good ways to get into conversation and carry it over time in that setting?

Post: #3506

(05-01-2018 12:48 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  Anyone practicing long term game in the gym? To clarify, not long term in the sense in being slow and non aggressive and thus ultimately put in the friend zone, but slow in the term where you continue conversation over a couple of times and at the end going for contact info.

I am practicing such game in coffee bars on waitresses because of "conditions" I described in couple of posts few pages ago. Now, since I started going to gym I would like to go for same way here. What are good ways to get into conversation and carry it over time in that setting?

That is my preferable method.


I tend to be slow with the approach, because I am in a small town currently. The strategy below only works on girls which are regulars.


For example, during the first session, I usually open a chick with something which will give me some plausible deniability (random banter, usually).


Even if she is receptive, I don't go for a number straight away, because you'll need to establish rapport and comfort with her first (since you are in a small town like me). Of course, I use that opportunity it to see if she is fuckable.


During a second session, I get a little bit more "aggressive" (she will usually be more receptive, because she knows you). That is when I usually ask her #.


That is how I met my ex.

Post: #3507

Got a few numbers lately.

#1 A couple of weeks ago I went out to a bar to meet up with friends. They were seated on a sofa while on the sofa just across them there were two rather attractive girls. There was room for one more so after I got my drink I sat next to them. After some chit chat with my friend I turned and opened them with "Hey, I feel it's awkward if people sit on the same sofa and don't say hello". They were very receptive from the "hey" alone so we got into talking rather easy. Fast forward about an hour later they had to go and one of them, who obviously wanted to stay longer, said that we could hang out for after work beers etc. Number closed her there, we may meet this weekend.

#2 Monday before the 1st of May, out with two friends. Felt like I wanted to approach but was also feeling tired and wouldn't get myself to do it. Long story short, we ended up at the dance floor of a bar. Girl was passing by, made eye contact and smiled at each other, I stopped her as she was walking away. Few minutes later we were dancing and had my arm around her waist. We ended up leaving in the same direction, made an attempt to kiss her but she declined. Spent more than 1 hour together and got in some real good comfort/rapport conversation. Got her number, so I'll hit her up. I'd give it a 80% chance of flaking just because I've seen it happen so many times.

#3 Was out watching Champions League with buddies at a pub. Three women come in and sit at the bar. Place full of dudes, maybe a couple of girls in some groups. One of the women would turn and look my direction a couple of times, I was also checking her out. Her friend also turned at some point but looked beyond me. Wasn't sure if they were looking at our table or the one behind us. As they were leaving I made sure to make a last attempt at getting eye contact. I noticed her friend telling her something and her nodding negatively. A few moments later, her friend comes in and taps my shoulder. She hands me a piece of paper with the girl's number and says she wants to get in touch.

In short, my game has been a lot of eye-contact/attraction initiated lately. That is going fine, I need to work on my cold approach more though.

Post: #3508

(05-02-2018 04:28 PM)Irenicus Wrote:  For example, during the first session, I usually open a chick with something which will give me some plausible deniability (random banter, usually).

What do you usually open with? And you continue that conversation over couple of times right?
Btw, are you muscular or that doesn't matter? Stupid question I know but since we are at the gym, there are many buffed dudes that are a potential competitors.

Post: #3509

I've been following a few daygame blogs including Roy Walker Daygame and Seven daygame
https://sevendaygame.wordpress.com/2018/...-strategy/
If there's one thing I could agree with is filtering out girls more efficiently after an approach is to determine whether they are Yes or No girls based on their body language at least even taking into account my height and appearance but not completely exotic look yet.
When I read her as a NO girl I tend to eject from the interaction and not waste any further time and find a Maybe or Yes girl.


Yesterday
I had to not only rush to the gym but answer an important phone call costing me two or three good approach opportunities.
Finally just before the gym I had only one approach opportunity.

Approach A1:
I saw a girl walking by. Asked her if she knew when the next tram was.
Then I told her she was cute and asked her where she was from.
Slovakia she said. Inevitably the topic of the Czech Republic gets brought up.
She was going off to English classes soon so I suggested we catch up for a coffee.
She was hesistant with lots of "maybes" and I insisted with "I'm sure we have a bit of time to spare"

Then off to the gym


Today
A bit more quality and quantity and no need for phone calls and I had just under a few hours thankfully. Some days are absolute shockers.

Approach B1:
I saw to girls check out a sushi shop then got bored and started to move on.
I opened them both and found out low and behold were Germans.
I tried to talk to them about Germany but they were definite NO girls as they were both eager to just walk away.
So I bailed.

Approach B2
I saw a very tanned Latina looking girl sitting on a park bench with notes having a cigarette.
I chatted her up and wondered if she was from Colombia. Her friends are but she isn't.
She likes Australia and got a study visa to extend her stay and hopefully permanently migrate here. She said she was from Chile.
That was a double-edged sword for me as she claimed she was so busy with the paperwork that even though after comparing life between South America and Australia I eventually suggested that "there are nice bars and cafes around here" aka an instadate.
Didn't bite then I suggested we should meet again sometime but was too busy with paperwork even after pushing a little.
Definitely a NO girl so I let her enjoy her cigarette by herself again.

Approach B3
I approached a career woman in a variety store.
She had a eye catching pattern on her jacket.
If you Google David Jones and you find the tiled pattern arrangement it's kind of similar.
I asked where she got it from and she said ZARA from Spain and I talked about how ZARA should not be seasonal even in France.
Eventually she wanted to move on and continue shopping.
A NO girl indeed and I moved on.

Approach B4
There was a live street performance.
I saw a girl sitting nearby with the same Kari Pamyu Pamyu hairstyle but she was Caucasian and not Japanese like the actual singer.
Boob tube top with actual boobs at least and a thin body so I had to approach or I would shoot myself if I didn't.
I found out she was from France and is in Australia to enjoy a holiday and to just make money.
We compared living and travelling in France and the rest of Europe and Australia.
She was waiting for a friend so an instadate was out of the question.
Then after a while I suggested we meet again.
Some people don't have Australian mobile numbers so I just got her WhatsApp instead. A YES girl.
She then got up and left anyway.

Walking much further away from the position of the last girl.

Approach B5
I saw two girls I had to approach.
One looks like Diana Sharapova who is a Kazakh singer but this girl had brown hair and larger boobs while her accomplice had blonde hair and looked like a run of the mill German girl.
I wondered where they are from and one said Cologne and I mentioned I haven't been around Germany much.
Like the previous set of two German girls they were insistent on moving on and despite me pushing a little to get either or both their numbers or Instagrams they didn't budge. So I let these NO girls on their way.

End of the day for me.

Post: #3510

(05-03-2018 02:26 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

(05-02-2018 04:28 PM)Irenicus Wrote:  For example, during the first session, I usually open a chick with something which will give me some plausible deniability (random banter, usually).

What do you usually open with? And you continue that conversation over couple of times right?
Btw, are you muscular or that doesn't matter? Stupid question I know but since we are at the gym, there are many buffed dudes that are a potential competitors.

"Whats up?" "Enjoying yourself?" are more than suitable. You aren't implying anything... yet.


Speaking of myself, I am somewhat buffed. I am not the biggest dude in the gym. Despite that minor setback, I am rather attractive, so girls do not run away screaming when I start chatting them.


And trust me, no amount of muscles will help you if you do not know Game. Fortunately for you, very few people, including those you meet in the gym, have it.

Post: #3511

Cool, I'll try this when chance presents itself and will post about it here.

Post: #3512

(05-03-2018 09:52 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  Cool, I'll try this when chance presents itself and will post about it here.

Again, this works only on regulars.

If you have seen that girl for a first time, approach her normally, because that may be her last time.

Post: #3513

It is only my 2nd week of being in that gym so I have yet to know people here, who is a regular, who is not.

Post: #3514

Went to meet one of my plates for lunch. She was running late so I sat outside waiting. I see a blonde walk by with nice dancer body(7.5) and all the guys around just watch her walk by. I don't feel the pimp juice flowing yet, so I open up two dudes next to me to chat for 30 seconds. I cut them off after feeling powered up and go run after the girl. She has a tattoo on her back so I open:

Me: Hey, nice tattoo on your back
Her: haha thanks
Me: Where you from?
Her: France, and you?
Me: USA
Her: blah blah blah
Me: Yeah... you look like my future ex wife.
Her: hahaha oh yeah, what are you doing here?
Small banter but I realize I wasn't that into her so I eject with number close
Her: ohhh, I have to tell you that I have a BF
Me: Yeah don't we all, number?
Her: haha okay

As she is putting in the digits, I realize from her body language she will be a no type of girl so I just go for the Instagram close instead. Another bitch to like all my photos.

-CD

Post: #3515

I don't know if this counts as a pure approach, but here it goes:

Was at 7-11 an hour ago. Walk in, looking around and this girl (drunk college student) comes up to me and shakes my hand, says she wants to be polite.

I find it amusing, didn't think much of it, except a few minutes later she comes back and asks me for my opinion of the best chips (she had cheetos, I commented Doritos are better). She actually puts the chips back, saying she doesn't eat junk food. We chat for a bit, I tell her: "you seem cool, let's get together sometime and grab drinks". She giggles for a bit and gives me her number.

Afterwards, I asked if she's down to hang out tonight. She says she can't since she's with friends. I say she should kiss me good night, she isn't having it (I might've pushed too hard with that, but I was thinking: fuck it, let me see how far I can go).

I text her: "Hey, it's GK, the Indian guy from 7-11"
Her: lmao
Me: I'll text you tomorrow, we'll set up plans to grab drinks.

Overall, I'm somewhat happy since even a few years ago I wouldn't haven't had the balls to ask for her number, ask her to hang out with me the same night and ask her for a kiss.

Making progress...

Post: #3516

I was thinking of getting a haircut but put that idea off as I did want to arrive home a little earlier but fit in time to approach some nice looking girls despite the usual land whales and career sultanas (wrinkly old corporate type women) a-plenty.

Approach #1
I saw a tanned girl who looked like she works out.
I guessed if she was Norweigan.
Nope she said she was Swedish.
We conversed about legal age limit of alcohol consumption being almost as bad as the US and they take advantage of other cheaper European countries which are more lax on alcohol consumption.
She wasn't as hot as the Swedish girls back in Europe.
Her bus arrived and ended things anyway.

Approach #2
I went to a bus stop and saw a young woman. I asked if she was a local.
I made her believe what a sigh of relief.
Talked about mundane stuff like her usual day and found out she had family ties in the US and compared theme parks in the States and here in Australia.
Eventually her bus was about to arrive and I suggested getting her telephone number. She offered her Instagram. Although better than nothing I still have to make sure I make my intentions clear in direct messaging.

Approach #3
Made a shithouse approach at a bookstore.
I saw a chick with long dark hair, grey vest and tight dark pants facing directly at a bookshelf at a book. I approached her at her left and said "Hi".
It startled her.
"My bad sorry." was my response.
"You're right." - Aussie expression of forgiveness.
Then I broke off. It was pretty awkward at that point.

Approach #4
I saw a ginger haired girl buying buns from a Breadtop store.
Definitely an Aussie accent and works at a national bank.
I talked about the variety of bread there and why she comes into the CBD when she works further out the CBD when she is here to meet her dad.
It went well until she decided to move on and say "Bye" and ignore my request to get her phone number.
Moving along.

Approach #5
There was a classical street performance outside.
I saw an unusual looking bony-faced blonde. I asked her if the performer is playing something that sounds awfully similar to Pachelbel's Canon D (Song played in marriage ceremonies).
She doesn't. I also noticed an Eastern European accent and played the guessing game:
"Poland?"
"No."
"Russia?"
"No."
"Germany?"
"Keep guessing."
"Ummmm", I practically showed I was giving up.
"Lithuania" she said.
"Ah the Baltics! Vilnius or Kaunas?" I asked.
"Vilnius"

I indirectly asked her about her experiences in the Baltics as I am planning for future love tourism trips, as Roosh himself would say with the intent to 'make romance to the locals' which I giggle at every time and that's why we're here on RVF.

"You should spend 2 days in Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia"
I've read Don't Bang Latvia but only mention excerpts from there, here on the forums and the internet and of course I never mention the book itself.
"But I heard there are scammers in Latvia who take advantage of tourists."
"Same here" (Seriously? In Australia?) I was gobsmacked though.


After a while conversing about the intricacies of Australia and wondering what she was doing later she was mentioning her friend was coming so without further ado I asked for her number.
"Sorry I have no time", a mild initial rejection you would say but I push a little further
"I'm sure you can make a little time"
Her friend actually arrived and so it ended there anyway.

Post: #3517

Had a couple of approaches today where the girls were having a Squee! moment over dogs. Seems I can't compete with the cuteness of dogs in motorcycle helmets and goggles, or dogs in general.

Standout was a Lithuanian taking pictures of a church, ended up being an insta date. Took her to see street art, couple of sights, she kept playing with her hair and necklace, but I couldn't get a decent close. Only in town for a couple of days, but she said she'd look me up if she came back.
Probably a missed opportunity there, I tend to be pretty dumb and miss stuff.

Post: #3518

First approach was a cocktail bar as 2 girl in front of me were waiting for their cocktails. 1st appraoch of the night and so I felt very stifled. Literally felt like I was at a job interview lol
Opened them and asked if they’d been waiting long and if they’d got served yet. She answered and looked away I commented on some of the funk cocktails cocktails being served. She nodded.

I asked her what one she was gonna get and she told me. I was still stifled and couldn’t think of anything good to reply with and was just like ”Nice. Yeah, I love Rum” or something, and she backturned again. Tried tot remember to ‘milk the thread’ and was like ”Yeah, I once got so drunk on run blablabla” and told a short story with a few improvised DHV elements. She didn’t ‘bite’ at all, though. Kind of a ‘no girl’ vibe and didn’t seem to want to hear stories from a stranger lol.
Pretty much as I finished the story, she got her drink and said ‘bye”

I then also saw a perfect 9.5-10 near me with her fairly cute friends but didn’t have the balls too open her. She was ridiculously hot.

Opened a cute Hungarian girl in a different bar and went direct this time. Told he she was cute and asked her name. She was a rare nice girl and laughed and was friendly, but she told me she was married and showed me her wedding ring. She was only like 21!

Saw a cute girl with some guy who I decided was her gay friend by the way he was dressed and stuff. Risked it and opened her and I was right.
Her English wasn’t great but the friend started translating for me, lol. Went direct again and I told her I thought she was very cute and that I wanted to meet her and asked her name and stuff. (jmulv style, I guess)

She spoke back a little and told me her age and asked mine.

Wasn’t able to ever really make it fun/interesting though. Done a cold read. Asked her about her tattoos as a way to get some touch going, but never felt like she was interested.
Spoke to the gay friend a bit. He seemed to like me more than her! haha.

I think she was telling him in Italian that I wasn’t her type, and after a few mins he said ‘nice to meet you’ basically and they ejected

Opened a girl on the dancefloor with a kind of ‘hand of God’ type thing that usually NEVER works for me, but it did this time. She was friendly and I asked her name and where she’d been that night. She asked me if my handsome friend was single lol. (He’s not but I said ‘yeah, you like him?”) and she told me he was gorgeous. I told her i’d set her up later and carried on trying to talk to her in the meantime just asking her some questions about herself.Never got to the point she she was asking me things though. She then tried to fuck my friend but he wasn’t interested.

Opened 2 girls near me in the smoking area. Both wearing all black and I commented that they looked like cat burglars. They laughed. I asked their names and what they were up too that night. Think I tried to guess what they did for work. Negged the hot one about blinking too much and then went into a little DHV thing about her facial expressions from a PUA routines book I read, but they ejected shortly after

Crammed in quite a lot for a short night and then went home

Post: #3519

Approached a cute, younger girl in the gym yesterday who was punching and kicking the heavy bag. Her form sucked. I approached asking if she just got done watching the new Karate Kid series on Youtube. When she said no, I told her how good it was and she mentioned that she had never even seen the original movies. I balked a little, but then she said that she trains martial arts at the place a few doors down. I asked what kind of martial arts, and she said tae kwon do and that she was a brown belt, had been training since she was 14. I mentioned that I too did martial arts, and she asked me what kind. I told her to guess based on how I looked. She said karate? jiu-jitsu? I told her yes to jiu-jitsu. I rambled a little about how much fun it was because it involves full contact sparring. She said that her gym doesn't really do that. Her eye contact was awful. She was looking down, away, not really into the convo much. I told her, "Well I could talk about martial arts all day." And went to leave. She said have a good day.

Did some errands at Wal-Mart and bantered with the middle-aged female cashiers just to have fun. Left and went to a sandwich shop for my post-workout meal.

The girl that made my sandwich was a tall, cute, dark-skinned girl. Right away we get into it because she tells me that all the bread is hard because they cooked it for too long, and she apologized. I was fake-disappointed in a big way. Told her it was unacceptable, that this was the worst. sandwich. shop. ever. She smiled and had good eye contact. I told her to show me the bread. She held it up, and it looked fine. I told her to smack the bread so I can see how hard it is. She gave it a couple of whacks and crumbles came off. I told her it was OK but to give me a discount due to the bread quality.

As she makes the sandwich I ask her how she likes working here. She says that she likes it a lot, I inquire why. She says because it's a chill atmosphere and her boss is cool. She mentions how she used to work at the poke place next door but that it conflicted with her sports schedule. She said she is still in high school so sport is pretty important to her. I look at her. She is tall and mixed race. Either basketball or volley ball. I squint and guess that she is a volleyball player. She smiles and says no, basketball. That was my second guess, I said with a smirk. I could easily have dropped some bait about my own sport (BJJ) here but I did not.

I follow up by saying, I bet you've never even been to ____ (place where the sandwich shop is based). She says no, I have never even been out of this state. I act astonished and disappointed. I shake my head and said typical ____ state girl. She is smiling and making great eye contact throughout the convo.

We are vibing well but she never asked me anything about myself, so I am insecure about going for the number. She wraps up my sandwich, I pay and leave.

As I left, I thought of this way to number close. Even though she said she is in high school, I would take her for 18. I could have said, "let me ask you this. How inappropriate would it be for me to ask for your number?" and I bet she would smile and say "umm idk" and I could say, "well I'm asking for it. I'll text you sometime." and then she gives me her number. I'm in my late 20's but look like I'm in my early 30's.

Who knows, but I could have at least gone for it. Roosh says not to go for the number until the girl asks a personal question about you, during the day. But this almost NEVER happens during my day approaches, so I eject after every one. Even if the convo is going well otherwise.

Post: #3520

opened gorgeous teenager at teh bar and just say 'hi' and smiled, but she gave that 'WTF?!' look and backturned straight away. Young girls don't seem to like being opened by strangers

Opened an older 2-set. In their 30's. More receptive. Asked their names, what they were up too that night. Asked their jobs. They hadn't really asked me anything back. Tried to get them to come out to the beer garden with me, but they declined and their body language told me that they probably wanted me to leave them alone, so I ejected

Saw this stunning girl who I recognise as a friend of a friend on facebook. Really wanted to 'seduce' her but wasn't sure of the best plan of attack. -Commented on her hair (because it was a long as fuck) and said 'thanks' then just told her I thought she was cute and that I just wanted to say 'hi', but she didn't reply and backturned

Opened a cute but slightly chubby girl in a different bar and just said 'hey, how's your night going?'. She looked mildy alarmed but said 'good' and kind of looked away. I decided to plow despite the cold reception, and asked her name. Told her mine. Asked her what she was up too that night and who she was with. Tried to guess her job. She wasn't asking me anything back and it got a bit quiet for too long which is when she bailed.

Went to a club but the floor was pretty empty. Made a few dancefloor approaches, but no luck (just physical approaches since it was too loud to talk)

Post: #3521

Work on your hooks with something like a curiosity gambit instead of boring interview questions if you don’t know how to deliver those.

Post: #3522

I went to Adelaide for an all day long event so daygame was out of the question. I finished the day tired and exhausted physically and mentally. I mustered the last of my effort to go night game. Went to a nightclub solo and surveyed the chicks there.
I look for girls with half-arsed dancing and with few or no people. I approached one chubby girl with large tits who was with her less well-endowed friend.

My daytime approaches have seeped into my nightclub approaches as I’ve gotten less physical. I approached and made excuses on the spot claiming it's loud and we should head upstairs for a chit chat.
She actually nodded no “No”

Other dudes, black or white all made their approaches and she turned them all down and left the venue with her less well-endowed friend.

I look for further chicks with nice tits. One was impossible to talk to because she went back to playing with Snapchat right away no matter what me or other dudes did.
I then found another chick who had tits hanging out. Approached the same way and got the boyfriend excuse.
In hindsight I should have been a little more persistent. Doesn't matter I was on the verge of collapse and left by myself.


Sunday there was nothing of quality between the airport and home on such a quiet day.


Yesterday I needed to go for a family event leaving less time than usual to approach after work.

Approach A1:
I went to a variety store. I found a Latina chick shopping around. I approached her and guessed correctly on her first try. I went on about how I don’t see many Latinas around my city compared to Germans and French. Eventually she dropped the fiancée line and as a final little push I asked where she met him and apparently they met at a coffee shop in my city. I moved on shortly.

Approach A2:
I found two blonde girls shopping for sushi. They were about to eat. How rude of me to approach. I found out they were from Austria and quickly chatted about how long and what they were doing here. With very low expectations I quickly went for a number close and of course a ‘no’ as usual.


Today I was expecting a phone call which never came delaying daytime approach time after work.

Approach B1:
I saw two girls sitting at park benches. Australian girls do not go and sit at park benches at the slight hint of nightfall including sunset so I guessed they were European. I went for the approach and how right I was they were Belgian. I had a little chat about how Belgians were rare and my time spent in Belgium was even shorter. Not good that they were going to work long hours to make money to leave my current city to go elsewhere in Australia before returning to Europe. I wondered if they had Australian mobile phone numbers either but neither did since they had very limited time here and neither offered their contact details as per the working long hours excuse.

Post: #3523

Did 1 approach today and used my balls finally. Was eating a dinner for my birthday and my friend points out a girl walking on the other side of the street, slim asian in yoga pants. He says that's the girl you met in the club the other day.

So i put down my lamb chop and run out the restaurant and across the street through traffic like im fking Tom Cruise, get in front of her and open, she was shocked and recognised me. I was nervous and a bit rusty and told her I was at the restaurant and I saw her and had to say hello. Asked where she was going, she said to the gym. I asked her to have a drink with me soon she said maybe, said goodbye.

Need to start approaching more, it makes me feel good after.

Post: #3524

Yesterday I was on my way to the gym and was running low on time.
Approach A1:
As I walked along several blocks straight I spotted a chick whose shape piqued my interest.
“Hey are you French?”
“Yes I speak a little”
Just one of my usual lame nationality openers.
I went on about how I spent too little time in Belgium and got her to tell me more about Belgium.
Then to what she is doing here in Australia.
“I work two jobs”

Serious? She just finished one job and is on her to way another.
Seems more and more foreign chicks are coming here to actually work more than have a holiday.
Then I went and pushed a little for a number. She hesistated and didn’t want to.

An incoming phone call cost me a potentially great approach. Bloody hell.

Approach A2:
I saw a girl near a tram station. She did not look like a local, Western European or Scandinavian.
She was in a hurry with an accomplice but I chatted her up anyway.
She looked like one of those women who worked as nurses or factory workers supporting the war effort of her country if she was in World War 2.
“Hey.”
Just one of my usual lame nationality openers.
“German?”
“No”
“Russian” she said.
“St Petersburg? Moscow?”
“Moscow”
Before I had a chance to talk in what an Estonian once described as broken Russian, she said “I am in a hurry”
“Ok”
Then off to the gym I went.
Well based on girls I met who are from Moscow the quality is nothing to brag about.

Today I was late because a colleague thought it was great to talk about what I thought was rather trivial which just cost me time and it was getting dark.

Approach B1:
I saw a girl sitting at a bench.
She had a similar vibe, style and appearance as Lady Gaga at her prime in 2009 when she released her album The Fame. Definitely piqued my interest.
“Hey are you Eastern European?”
“Noooo I live here”, definitely a local.
It broke my theory Aussie girls do not sit on park benches by themselves near dark or during the dark. More on that latter.
More funny giggles.
I was going to play the guessing game of where she works at.
Not retail but local council within 3 months of her 12 month internship. Went straight to the workforce after high school.
“You’ve passed probation you’ve been well behaved.”
We compared nightlife options in our city and other Australian cities.
Very pleasant interactions and more of those funny little giggles.
To scope out for any potential insta-date, “Ah so what are you up to later?”
“Going on a date with my girlfriend”

It’s not the dating a woman part that fucks with my mind but a woman referring to another woman as a girlfriend always fucks with my mind at first and I have to determine if it’s just that ‘best friends 4 life’ kind of way or actual queer/bi/whatever.
Here we go, “You don’t happen to swing both ways would you?”
With a low volume she slowly said “Nooo”.
We went on to talk about other random things rather than break off the interaction abruptly because she was very nice but then I let her off to wait for her girlfriend that she spoke of.

Approach B2:
I saw a girl in a nice black dress showing her slender figure with some curves. Reminds me a little of the Polish girl I banged back in Poland.
Eventually I went for the approach.
“Hey are you half-Chinese?”
“You’re the second person ever to say that?”, in an Aussie accent.
She said she was Greek.
“Oh I went to Corfu it has nice Venetian architecture”
She actually went to Greece 5 times and to Santorini and Mykonos in particular.
She then said she went there on a honeymoon.
She wasn’t single. If I wasn’t after potential demographics of chicks to bang on the Greek Islands I would break the interaction there and then shortly after. But it was my chance to find out about the demographics of the Greek Islands for potential future bang trips, but from her perspective though.
“Who do you reckon are the worst tourists?”
“Definitely the Americans” she said, “They are really loud”.

I was narrowly close to bursting out laughing.
I told her I thought the British were pretty rowdy with the stag parties which I have experienced for myself and Aussies do pretty stupid shit too.
Then, “Are there Scandinavians on the Greek Islands too? You know, Norway, Sweden…”
“Yeah they’re everywhere and they tend to be quiet and stick to themselves”
Talked about our tours we took and compared experiences.
She insisted on continuing the interaction and so I did and it was about her boring weekend life at home and Netflix.
A little longer and I made the excuse to go get dinner then we pleasantly parted ways.
I was getting quite tired.

Approach B3:
I went to a fast food outlet not to eat there but saw a thick chick. She was waiting for her food. I’m betting it won’t go far.
I chatted her up asking if she actually does yoga as I saw something about yoga on her bag to get her to turn around and talk as she looked nice from behind.
“Yes.” In a frustrated way.
“Ok.”
I immediately saw she had crows feet which has been my indicator of significant aging. Her tone was not pleasant at all so it wasn’t worth continue chatting her up and I left right away.

(05-08-2018 02:52 PM)Mikestar Wrote:  Did 1 approach today and used my balls finally. Was eating a dinner for my birthday and my friend points out a girl walking on the other side of the street, slim asian in yoga pants. He says that's the girl you met in the club the other day.

So i put down my lamb chop and run out the restaurant and across the street through traffic like im fking Tom Cruise, get in front of her and open, she was shocked and recognised me. I was nervous and a bit rusty and told her I was at the restaurant and I saw her and had to say hello. Asked where she was going, she said to the gym. I asked her to have a drink with me soon she said maybe, said goodbye.

Need to start approaching more, it makes me feel good after.

Always a thrill to just run after a chick and chat her up even though it fails most of the time.




I watch this now and then for a laugh at the vocalised aggression.




I like this dude's artificially induced confidence but I'd rather channel that energy to pursuing chicks rather than vandalising property while shirtless.

(11-15-2016 12:09 PM)Dream Medicine Wrote:  4. Men must suffer from one of two risks in the game: the risk of rejection (a girl declines your advances - e.g., you ask for her number and she says 'no') or the risk of regret (an opportunity missed due to a lack of action - e.g., you don't ask for her number). The difference is rejection weighs ounces while regret weighs tons.

Post: #3525

Friday – Daytime approaches
Approach A1:
I saw a chick walking by who had this Germanic appearance.
I stopped her there and she had this unusual accent and it sounded like borderline mental retardation.
She was from South Africa apparently but it’s quite different from the usual South African accents I have heard.
Not long after she said she is with her fiancée here in Australia. She said they met in South Africa before parting ways.

Approach A2:
A street performance.
A thin blonde was watching.
Chatted her up and she was apparently from a beach suburb.
I intermittently chatted her up.
Not a good idea and there was nothing happenening as she just left without saying anything.


Saturday – Daytime approaches not liking the low quality and quantity as I needed to get a particular set of groceries but put up with it.

Approach B1:
Finally someone I could approach.
She had a can of tuna on one hand and her smartphone on another.
Had a go chatting her up anyway and said she was working at a retail store before going back to her smartphone. I left without saying a word myself.


Saturday – Nighttime approaches.
I didn’t realise the venue I was supposed to hit up was on Friday not Saturday. A major fuck up on my end so I alternated to a different venue in a different district I had in mind before. Unlike the last shitty gimmicky venue, there was no cover charge, larger with an outdoor area, a live band earlier in the night, packed and it was central and not in the arse end of town. A place with potential.
Many a tease and a rug being pulled from underneath me too many times.
Highlights in chronological order include:
- Chatting up a Hungarian chick. She had nice sized tits as they're known for despite Google Images showing the contrary. Chatted her up but her friends decided to move on to the next bar. Her friends even openly suggested we should swap numbers but the Hungarian chick said “No”.

- Spotting a Norweigan girl who momentarily separated herself from her three other Norweigan friends and I began chatting her up. Anyone who has seen or been with a Norweigan can guess correctly and she admired that. I was eventually cockblocked with a polite dismissal from one of them because she knows what’s up. She went to Ios, one of the many Greek Islands Norweigans go to.
- Later a Middle-Eastern looking girl who lets me grind on her momentarily until she keeps removing my hands when I start progressing with being even more handsy and physical as you do on the dance floor section.
- Getting approached and going all handsy-handsy by an Irish chick but wouldn’t let me eventually go in for the kiss. Especially with no escalation there's no one night stand this time despite similar situational setbacks in the past like a flight in half a day.