(02-11-2015 01:36 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Again, I did not recommenced that.

That would be a great exercise to build your inner game..

But, in terms of getting sex, it would not have a great return on investment.

Hmmm, not sure about this Gio.

Personally, I think it just comes down to your style and what's congruent to you. I don't like going indirect, personally. It makes me feel incongruent and I don't want to think about situational openers. I just want one simple opener that works for me and I can just let loose with. For other guys, it might be different.

Ultimately your opener is the least important thing that you say though. If you're not getting rejected right away it really doesn't matter what you say first.

Ultimately getting laid in any cold approach is going to be a low ROI.

I had a very fun conversation with a cute korean girl with long wavy hair.
She gave me her number. We'll see where this goes.

(02-09-2015 03:14 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Cobra,

5 approaches a week!?!?

That's less than one approach per day!?!?

That is not enough!

For a beginner, 5 per week is just too slow of a pace. At that rate, it will seriously take you 5 years to advance to the intermediate stages of game. Work more, learn faster, improve faster. We only have until our late 30's, early 40's until many young women think we are too old and then things can get even harder!

There is no time to waste!

Aim for at least 3 per day!

Since you posted this Gio, I have been thinking day and night about how to tackle this. If I keep going at 5 approaches a week, I'll be at maybe 200+ by end of the year. But if I do 15 a week (3 a day), I will be at 700+. That's a huge difference.

Truth is, thinking about it has put so much pressure on me that I haven't done shit. Balancing my family life, job and game in my head has almost caused it to explode.

I'm not sure how to tackle this "time management" issue. It is especially tricky as I will need to change my frame almost entirely every single day, whereas now, I change it for the time I'm approaching girls.

I do want this more than anything but I don't know how to get 3 approaches done per day. I know that's a newbie question, but I'm a newbie with at least a bit more baggage and variables than the single guys.

(02-10-2015 10:38 PM)floor7 Wrote:  5'10 blonde thin in tall heels by cap hill in dc (easy HB8 - even by big ballerism standards of this forum). - walking fucking fast and i'm not a fast walker. I shitted out and didn't say a thing like a beta. Tried to rationalize it off as I'm 5'8, it was ultra cold, my ears were frost bitten - but no there are no excuses.

I would like to add something that I hope the masters here can tell me. In my situation yesterday, I could only see her from the back (no face at all) until we diverged paths at the street corner and she turned around at the last split second. I saw her from the back to start with so it wasn't like I was ahead and she was zooming by.

However, with her legs, heels, the way she carried herself from the back you could tell she wasn't going to be a butterface.

But in general, do you guys blindly approach without seeing the face/eyes and only based on a great ass or some other part directly from behind?

(02-11-2015 09:22 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 03:14 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Cobra,

5 approaches a week!?!?

That's less than one approach per day!?!?

That is not enough!

For a beginner, 5 per week is just too slow of a pace. At that rate, it will seriously take you 5 years to advance to the intermediate stages of game. Work more, learn faster, improve faster. We only have until our late 30's, early 40's until many young women think we are too old and then things can get even harder!

There is no time to waste!

Aim for at least 3 per day!

Since you posted this Gio, I have been thinking day and night about how to tackle this. If I keep going at 5 approaches a week, I'll be at maybe 200+ by end of the year. But if I do 15 a week (3 a day), I will be at 700+. That's a huge difference.

Truth is, thinking about it has put so much pressure on me that I haven't done shit. Balancing my family life, job and game in my head has almost caused it to explode.

I'm not sure how to tackle this "time management" issue. It is especially tricky as I will need to change my frame almost entirely every single day, whereas now, I change it for the time I'm approaching girls.

I do want this more than anything but I don't know how to get 3 approaches done per day. I know that's a newbie question, but I'm a newbie with at least a bit more baggage and variables than the single guys.

Im in the same boat that you are in and I've found somthing that has worked for me.

I personally don't "approach" in the traditional sense three women a day.

For me with a job, family and personal development I just don't have the time to go out and hunt for girls.

Now that does not excuse me from developing my people skills (which is ultimately what game is with a twist).

What I do now is I talk to 3 women a day. It doesnt matter if they are old, young, fat, skinny or cute.

Talking to them can be as simple as a complement " hey i really like your nails, they match your scarf" to a statement " how do you like that smoothie from x spot?"

If im at the store i always try to get in line with a female checker and i will ask her how her day is going and do small chat.

I do this while im out and about during my normal day.

This insures that I am always "on"
It is also advantageous because it will develop your rambling skills

If you are always a friendly outgoing person that is genuinely interested in others. Then it will be a natural transition when you spot that cute blonde in the yoga pants waiting for her burrito in line at Whole Foods.

For you, you'll just be doing a normal routine action, it won't even feel like an approach until you walk away with her number.

Just did this approach 30 mins ago.
I was Being a poon today, passed up some prime opportunities. I was on my way home and i remember something i saw gio write; "I'm a strong, handsome young alpha male..." I see a Hispanic chick about to cross my way, so I fake a phone call and linger at the corner. Shes about to pass.

Me:hey, do you know where an ihop is?

We talk for a bit, turns out we're both from socal.
She's a student, 19, and studying at the local university. She's probably a 6 in the face, 7 in body. After i tease her a her weird name (she tells me about 8 mins into the convo) i tell her to put her number in and we'll go out this friday, I sense slight reluctance, but continues to speak as if it was a done deal and she obeys. I have her walk me in the direction I'm headed. It turns out to be the opposite direction she was headed in, which is a good sign. I talked to several chicks today but this is the only one who's number i asked for, hence, the only one i counted.

I'm trying to build the strength of my frame. I sometimes over talk, therefore over share. I'm working on this by thinking consciously. I never premeditate what I'll say, i feel i come off as more genuine when i dont. Sometimes I'll say "didn't we go to different high schools together?" Or something equally foolish.
As always gents, advice welcomed, especially on how to maintain frame throughout a conversation.

So after pussying out of a couple of approaches, I was going to go home. It even began to snow a bit, but I was remembering what Gio said earlier about getting your approaches in to get to that next level. The snow lets up and I keep at it.

A bit later, I see this luscious raveness stopping to take pictures and walking slowly. You know how it is by now. Did my usual opening routine. I thought she was from Argentina or Brazil but she's from Monterrey. We talk a little bit about travel first, because she's traveled a lot (she works for an airline, I tease her about preventing ISIS from going on the airlines - this sounds weird on paper but I have a naturally sarcastic wit). She twirled for me. Game on.

Instant date, and I really liked her too. She looked really beautiful in the sunshine too.

Went for the kiss close but she wasn't comfortable enough. I rebounded. Got her info of course but here my usual luck kicked in. When I meet a beautiful girl that I actually like for more than her looks, she almost invariably leaves the next day. Same this time too.

Let's go for a slow burn game, I guess. I'm still in contact with one of those. At the very least I got pictures with her that I can use to show pre-selection and let hamsters run wild.

Also I've noticed I'm making it seem like every approach goes very well. While most of my approaches are in that category these days, this is by no means universal. Last week I had a lot that went nowhere:

1. Two British tourists. I lead them around a bit but it fizzled out. My frame was off.
2. Another British girl later that day. Did my usual routine but she wouldn't give me her number. Said she's "busy."
3. Tried to approach a girl last weekend but got brushed off immediately. She was walking pretty quickly (usually that means a girl isn't in a social mood but she had a huge smile on her face so I thought to go for it).

Direct approached a girl in the coffeeshop today. She got her coffee and went to mix it with sugar, etc. I got my stuff up from the table I was on and went toward the door by her.

She was mid 20s with tight black spandex long pants on and nice legs....an 8..... ( damn how to girls with nice bodies expect to wear this shit in public and NOT get approached by anyone with testosterone flowing through their veins!!!?)

I grabbed some napkins by her to her side and opened;

Me: hello how are you.
Her: Good ( she seemed shy not much eye contact )
Me; I know this may sound a little random but I noticed you as I was leaving and thought you were cute. I wanted to say hi.
She smiled and kind of squinted as if she was trying to process it/ seemed to be thinking that she couldn't believe this was happening to her.
Her: oh thanks. ( still fiddling with coffee and not giving me much to work with)
M: By the way, I'm Robreke (extending hand)
H: I'm Jane Anna
M; oh...what was your name? ( I didn't hear her good)
H: Jane Anna.
M) Nice to meet you. So what are you up to today?
H: Just getting ready for a big test.
M; don't tell me it's organic chemistry, I have a few friends in pre med who have been having some of those lately.
H; no...ha I'm in med school.
m; oh...nice. You must have already done the MCAT?
H; yes ( the whole time she doesn't really seem into it....she's not buying what I'm selling....also, in retrospect I'm kind of standing between her and the door...she is being polite though )
M: well, I know you have to go and I do to. Could I text you sometime, maybe we could grab a coffee?
H; No, I'm okay. But thanks. It was nice to meet you.
M: You too. Good luck.
H: thanks

It was kind of awkward because we were both walking out of the coffee shop at the same time as she was declining me. In retrospect, I should have trusted my senses and just ended with 'nice to meet you' instead of going for the number and getting rejected . well, at least I approached.

When a girl doesn't give me much from the get go....I tend to lose my confidence in the interaction also. I need to work on somewhat of maintaining a confident don't give a fuck frame even if they're skittish. I saw good looking loser video where he'll tell girls like this " do me a favor......smile!" while doing a hand gesture to his lips to indicate upturned lips of a smile. I don't know if this is "me" but it seems to work for him. Like Roosh says all game is a number's game. Got my approach in today.

Can it screw you over if you are too high in *perceived* value to the girl?

Saw a cute thin girl today. She had this sexy dirty blonde flow to her hair. She gave me a look that showed me she was interested. Flicked her hair when I came in.

A few minutes later, I approached her and started a conversation. The bus arrived, and we sat alongside chatting.

She has this very quirky vibe. It felt she was very nervous, from her demeanour and laughter. At one point I told her to make an impression of an accent and she did it and laughed awkwardly at her attempt. I found it amusing.

Anyways, later after getting off the bus it was time to split directions. I told her we should meet up and hang out some time. She said 'maybe', and walked away.

The conversation, she was engaged the whole time and receptive. But I had a feeling there was something off. Maybe this time it was just simply on her end?

I ask in regards to perceived value because.. she's freshie commuting from home. She doesn't seem to have much experience talking to men interested in her from her demeanour. She's a 7 so it's not like she's been on a pedestal for most guys throughout her life.

I must have been a very high value guy to her. Can't imagine many other times men have started conversation with her this way. And she doesn't go out.

Maybe I'm overthinking it. But nonetheless it was an amusing interaction.

(02-12-2015 06:59 PM)robreke Wrote:  Direct approached a girl in the coffeeshop today. She got her coffee and went to mix it with sugar, etc. I got my stuff up from the table I was on and went toward the door by her.

She was mid 20s with tight black spandex long pants on and nice legs....an 8..... ( damn how to girls with nice bodies expect to wear this shit in public and NOT get approached by anyone with testosterone flowing through their veins!!!?)

I grabbed some napkins by her to her side and opened;

Me: hello how are you.
Her: Good ( she seemed shy not much eye contact )
Me; I know this may sound a little random but I noticed you as I was leaving and thought you were cute. I wanted to say hi.
She smiled and kind of squinted as if she was trying to process it/ seemed to be thinking that she couldn't believe this was happening to her.
Her: oh thanks. ( still fiddling with coffee and not giving me much to work with)
M: By the way, I'm Robreke (extending hand)
H: I'm Jane Anna
M; oh...what was your name? ( I didn't hear her good)
H: Jane Anna.
M) Nice to meet you. So what are you up to today?
H: Just getting ready for a big test.
M; don't tell me it's organic chemistry, I have a few friends in pre med who have been having some of those lately.
H; no...ha I'm in med school.
m; oh...nice. You must have already done the MCAT?
H; yes ( the whole time she doesn't really seem into it....she's not buying what I'm selling....also, in retrospect I'm kind of standing between her and the door...she is being polite though )
M: well, I know you have to go and I do to. Could I text you sometime, maybe we could grab a coffee?
H; No, I'm okay. But thanks. It was nice to meet you.
M: You too. Good luck.
H: thanks

It was kind of awkward because we were both walking out of the coffee shop at the same time as she was declining me. In retrospect, I should have trusted my senses and just ended with 'nice to meet you' instead of going for the number and getting rejected . well, at least I approached.

When a girl doesn't give me much from the get go....I tend to lose my confidence in the interaction also. I need to work on somewhat of maintaining a confident don't give a fuck frame even if they're skittish. I saw good looking loser video where he'll tell girls like this " do me a favor......smile!" while doing a hand gesture to his lips to indicate upturned lips of a smile. I don't know if this is "me" but it seems to work for him. Like Roosh says all game is a number's game. Got my approach in today.

Its good that your getting out and approaching, but I forsee that you will get the same results if you don't change up your strategy

First of all if I were you I would stop going direct during the day

Going direct on a girl puts a lot of pressure on her and forces her make a decision about you right away.

Now if you are a good looking guy that might work. Even then only a small percentage of girls will react positively.

So why handicap yourself from the start?

Give yourself a chance by slowly introducing your personality to her by going indirect

Do this here, try an indirect approach the next time you're out during the day. See how it goes. If all goes well stick with it. If not go back to what you were doing.

Though I can assure you that you will get better results if you stop going direct during the day

Thanks to the inspiration in this thread I made my first approach this week in over 15 years!

Little back story to this. Not new to the game at all, but I'm 42 years old and in the process of going through a divorce right now. I've been having great success with the sugar daddy sites lately but I need to work on my approaches again as I haven't done it in years.

I was actually a little early for a date I had with a 20 year old from the SD side (ended up banging her that night: ) so I walked into a retail store. See a young thin blonde girl working, probably a solid 7 face and 8 body...about 21 or 22. We made eye contact early on. About 5 minutes later I walked up to her.

Me: Hey there. I just noticed you and thought you were very attractive and knew I would kick myself if I didn't come over and introduce myself. I'm Landon
Her: (Immediately see her start to blush). Oh hi, I'm Nicole
Me: Nice to meet you Nicole. Keeping busy today?
Her: It's a slow day today. Kind of boring
Me: Well nice to meet you Nicole. Have a great day

Yup. I pussed out and exited. But hey, it's been over 15 years since I've done an approach. I froze up and couldn't think of anything to say to keep the conversation going. I'll get the rust off!

(02-12-2015 08:08 PM)Sketness Wrote:  Going direct on a girl puts a lot of pressure on her and forces her make a decision about you right away.

Now if you are a good looking guy that might work. Even then only a small percentage of girls will react positively.

I always go direct and nearly every girl I approach now reacts positively. No idea what you're talking about man.

It's gonna come down to your style, natural frame, and what you're comfortable with more than anything else.

(02-12-2015 08:44 PM)LandonR Wrote:  I froze up and couldn't think of anything to say to keep the conversation going. I'll get the rust off!

Make some silly assumption about her and then start to tease her. It never fails.

(02-12-2015 08:08 PM)Sketness Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 06:59 PM)robreke Wrote:  Direct approached a girl in the coffeeshop today. She got her coffee and went to mix it with sugar, etc. I got my stuff up from the table I was on and went toward the door by her.

She was mid 20s with tight black spandex long pants on and nice legs....an 8..... ( damn how to girls with nice bodies expect to wear this shit in public and NOT get approached by anyone with testosterone flowing through their veins!!!?)

I grabbed some napkins by her to her side and opened;

Me: hello how are you.
Her: Good ( she seemed shy not much eye contact )
Me; I know this may sound a little random but I noticed you as I was leaving and thought you were cute. I wanted to say hi.
She smiled and kind of squinted as if she was trying to process it/ seemed to be thinking that she couldn't believe this was happening to her.
Her: oh thanks. ( still fiddling with coffee and not giving me much to work with)
M: By the way, I'm Robreke (extending hand)
H: I'm Jane Anna
M; oh...what was your name? ( I didn't hear her good)
H: Jane Anna.
M) Nice to meet you. So what are you up to today?
H: Just getting ready for a big test.
M; don't tell me it's organic chemistry, I have a few friends in pre med who have been having some of those lately.
H; no...ha I'm in med school.
m; oh...nice. You must have already done the MCAT?
H; yes ( the whole time she doesn't really seem into it....she's not buying what I'm selling....also, in retrospect I'm kind of standing between her and the door...she is being polite though )
M: well, I know you have to go and I do to. Could I text you sometime, maybe we could grab a coffee?
H; No, I'm okay. But thanks. It was nice to meet you.
M: You too. Good luck.
H: thanks

It was kind of awkward because we were both walking out of the coffee shop at the same time as she was declining me. In retrospect, I should have trusted my senses and just ended with 'nice to meet you' instead of going for the number and getting rejected . well, at least I approached.

When a girl doesn't give me much from the get go....I tend to lose my confidence in the interaction also. I need to work on somewhat of maintaining a confident don't give a fuck frame even if they're skittish. I saw good looking loser video where he'll tell girls like this " do me a favor......smile!" while doing a hand gesture to his lips to indicate upturned lips of a smile. I don't know if this is "me" but it seems to work for him. Like Roosh says all game is a number's game. Got my approach in today.

Its good that your getting out and approaching, but I forsee that you will get the same results if you don't change up your strategy

First of all if I were you I would stop going direct during the day

Going direct on a girl puts a lot of pressure on her and forces her make a decision about you right away.

Now if you are a good looking guy that might work. Even then only a small percentage of girls will react positively.

So why handicap yourself from the start?

Give yourself a chance by slowly introducing your personality to her by going indirect

Do this here, try an indirect approach the next time you're out during the day. See how it goes. If all goes well stick with it. If not go back to what you were doing.

Though I can assure you that you will get better results if you stop going direct during the day

I've done both and had success with both. I'm a decent looking guy. , tall and fit, look younger than my age but girls still peg me at mid 30ish. I am however, no chisel jawed model....just a bit above average I would say.

It depends on the context of the situation. When I have gone direct, it seems more than half are usually receptive or somewhat flattered (like awww that's sweet) .. Today's girl...not so much.

I agree with Libertas. I love direct approaches. I hate beating around the bush, and that's what indirect game feels like to me. In fact, I'd argue that indirect approaches are even more awkward than direct approaches. At least when you go direct you're showing your hands; with indirect you have to pretend like you care about some silly laptop when you actually don't. It's a huge time waster.

I have to meet an associate of mine last night at a bar I've never been to. I have a chick take me, have her wait in the car for me, so I don't expect to be in there long. My phone dies and I don't see him so I grab a Sierra Nevada and start looking for him. A chick I approached a week before (but got cockblocked) accosts me, but I barely remember her because I was on 10 mg of valium (I don't take this often). She's pretty cute, tall, thin, fair skinned with green eyes and an hour glass figure; easily an 8. I flirt with her for a while and pull her away from her group: I'm on a time limit and there's no room for introductions. We hit it off and I get her number and a brief makeout before finally running into who I'm looking for (this is about over the course of thirty minutes). I have to wrap this up so I tell her I've gotta bounce but that I'll let her buy me a drink the following night, half jokingly, half serious. Call her today and it's on.
The only reason I'll count this as an approach is because she started off trying to diss me (half heartedly) and I flipped the script on her.

I've heard this on the forum but finally put it into practice: less is more. Less talking, less drinking, less interest.

Several approaches in last few days. As always, commentary and advice is welcome

Most notably the last one made me decide to update my approaches:

1st approach - Yesterday I went into a health food store I used to frequent last year. I established attraction with the girl working the register after visiting over a few months , then I found out she had two kids and lost a lot of attraction. Hadn't seen her in over 6 months and I went in and she was there leaning against counter talking with other employees. I walk in:

Me: Hey, how are yall? (looking at her ) How you been?
Her: Good!
When I saw her, I'd forgotten how cute she is. 5'8ish...slender athletic build. Long brown hair and nice symmetrical face. Good eyes and smile.
I walk on to the energy bars. Within a minute she walks over to me
Her: can I help you find something?
I tell her what I'm looking for and she shows me.
We chat about energy bars and why I like these.
She mentions she's in military and we talk about reserves once a month duty, etc.
She asks me what I do and I tell her. She asks if I like it. She asks where my hometown is as I haven't been around, etc.
I sensed the other employees were listening in on us.
As I'm leaving she tells me she'll call me when the other bars I asked about come in. I give her my number. She's definitely still interested and she's a solid 7.5....youngish ( gonna say 28 area ) I just have a little trouble getting past the kids. I think I'll go in in another week or so and go for the number.

For lunch: Next approach. I go to pickup my call in order. A semi attractive dark haired girl behind the counter. She's says something loudly in Spanish to the cooks in the back as I walk up.

She gives me my order and I pay.
Me: What that Spanish you were just speaking?
Her: Yes. it was. I'm from Venezuela.
Me: Oh nice. I'm studying Spanish now.
Her: Really?
Me: yeah...I've got a trip to Colombia in a few months ( true ) and been trying to get better.
Some customers walk in behind me....but I didn't really notice.
I check out her hips and ass and can see good south American stock. Her face was decent but she coulda used braces on the bottom.
Her: well, if you ever need to practice ( let me know...I can help )" I put that in parentheses because it was hard to hear with the customers coming in behind.
Me: Muchas gracias senorita.
Her: De Nada.

I walked away but will go back for lunch. In retrospect, I shoulda asked her when she got off work and I'd take her up on that offer over coffee as that seemed like a pretty strong IOI. She's offering to help me with my Spanish! Damn, shoulda jumped it. I often don't go for the kill quick enough...then later regret it and hope for that same girl on "another day" We'll see.

Approach today. This is the one that bothered me as this girl I was completely attracted to at every level. Young, tall, Gorgeous strong athletic legs. Wearing a red business dress. Probably 25ish. Was at whole foods leaving with my bag and notice a tall brunette at buffett. I walked over to her and she looked confused.

Me: Hey you looking for something?
Her: Yeah...if I was going to get an order to go what container should I use.
I show her.
Her : well, thank you. ( she starts to walk off)
Me: Actually, another reason I talked to you was I thought you looked nice and I wanted to say hello.
she smiled and did a double take.
Her: oh, thank you.
Me: Yeah. I'm robreke ( extending hand)
we shake
H: I'm Laura Elizabeth. It's two names.
Me: Oh nice. I had a friend named John David. it took a while for me to learn to call him by both names.
Her: A lot of people here have two names. Are you not from here?
Me: yeah, Im actually from ( this town 3 hours away )
we talk about how this is her first time to whole foods. I tell her I work close and come here often for lunch. She tells me where she works down the road but doesn't ask me about where I work. She's looking at me on and off. It seems she kind of squints once or twice. She's projecting that she wants to go get her lunch.
Me: Well, since it's your first time, you need to know they weigh your plate and it's easy to go overboard and pay a lot.
Her: Oh thanks. Well, thank you robreke, it was nice to meet you. ( she says it smiling but starts to walk to the food )
Me: Nice to meet you too. ( in the past I would have gone for the number for the hell of it, but I'm tired of subjecting myself to rejection when it seems they're not interested. That in and of itself ( them not being interested ) is , I hate to say, a bit pride injuring enough without enduring a " no, that's okay...but thanks for asking." or " I have a boyfriend" or some other non positive response )

It seems the young women I'm really interested in lately are just not into me. I dress really nice in well fitted blazers, I'm tall, but I suppose it's something in my vibe. I suspect I may not be speaking clearly enough. I also may have weak eye contact and not be projecting a strong confident frame. Another thing that I chalk it up to, which I think is a limiting belief I need to abolish, is that I'm getting older ( early 40s) and girls sense this and are off put by it. But, after seeing things like Midas' recent post and hearing other older guys on the forum....I think it's something else.

Tonight I am shaving my beard as I think it enhances the age gap women perceive. In addition, I'm going to get a tighter trimmer haircut as I think I look more youthful with a new haircut.

I'm also going to go back and read some approach material here to remind myself that even the best players get frequently rejected. Also, I will review some recent commentary by the more seasoned guys ( many of it to my posts ) namely Gio, XXL, and Travesty among others.

Something needs to change.

I want to at least be able to spark attraction, even if they don't give me their number, I need to get past that "first base" part of the approach. That is, after the approach, at least get some interest from the girl and attraction.

Albeit, I do get it from time to time...but on the girls I'm REALLY attracted to, on a primal level, it hasn't been happening so far this year.

(02-11-2015 09:22 PM)Cobra Wrote:  I don't know how to get 3 approaches done per day.

First of all, stop "approaching" girls!

It's a weak frame to operate from.

"Approaching" them is giving them the chance to accept you or deny you. Just talk to them, talk to them the way you want to, about whatever you want to. Who cares if she likes it or not.

Don't "approach", just chat.

Secondly,

I recommend talking to one girl before work, one girl at lunch, and one girl after work.

Or, two at lunch and one after work.

Or, one at lunch, and two after work.

Or, three after work.

Something like that..

(02-11-2015 09:22 PM)Cobra Wrote:  I will need to change my frame almost entirely every single day

Why do you need to change your frame?

What is wrong with your current frame?

You are a man who likes girls, so, when you see a girl you like, you talk to her!

That is all the frame you need.

"Frame" is overrated in my opinion. In terms of learning game, effort and courage are much more important.

Your "frame" will automatically adjust itself once you have practiced enough to internalize the basic fundamentals of game.

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Sketness gives great advice about how to efficiently talk to girls during the day:

(02-11-2015 09:43 PM)Sketness Wrote:  I personally don't "approach" in the traditional sense three women a day.


What I do now is I talk to 3 women a day.

Yes, exactly!

Here are some other posts that discuss this method of day game:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-16884-...#pid288768

(10-16-2012 02:45 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I've been thinking the last day or two about some of the nightclub threads here and reading some guys struggling with day approach so I started analyzing what I've been doing to meet girls.

This happened by coincidence mainly because I'm a procrastinator

The problem I'm seeing is guys having a hard time in an artificial environment like going someplace specifically to try to meet women like chasing them down on the streets like Sasha or in a nightclub that they don't enjoy.

What to do...
Take the convenience out of your life.
1. Shop for every meal. You will be in the store 3 times a day.

2. Pay your bills in person. All of them and be creative with pay stations by switching up. Use check cashing places etc. Pay your cell bill at the store that has the most traffic. Pay your cable bill at their office or different places that except money for them.

3. Go in the bank. ATMs are easy but start going in. I do this and also deposit checks one at a time. Go in the bank to pay your credit card bills at the counter.

4. Don't make coffee. Go to 7-11 or wherever.

5. No more drive thru anything. Go inside.

I'm sure there's more I'll think of but when chatting up the ladies you're doing it in a place where you're supposed be which makes opening a lot easier. There's threads here about dude-purses and belts the last couple days. If you saw one you like go find it in person or try before you order online..

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http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-14153-...#pid232603

(07-04-2012 01:23 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Walking around the city for hours day gaming can be a waste of time. But, day gaming as you are going about your normal business is a more productive option. Be ready as soon as you walk out your front door. Bus, train, subway, coffee shop, cafe, restaurant, work, lunch break, smoke break, gym, grocery store, mall, sidewalk. You don't have to make time for day game. Just be ready to talk during the day. I admit, you have to talk to alot of girls to get laid, but, the more you do it the better you get and its alot of fun. (for me) If you feel some type of emotional cost from rejection then you are taking it to serious. Have fun with it and develop thicker skin. When my dad died I got emotional, when a girl rejects me, it doesn't even register on my emotional radar.

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(02-12-2015 07:22 PM)Nascimento Wrote:   Can it screw you over if you are too high in *perceived* value to the girl?

Yes.

Girls with low status, low self esteem, low finances, shitty families,etc., are often intimidated by men who are or appear to be high brow.

They will certainly bang a high value man but that high value man has to be careful to not "over game" her.

(02-19-2015 03:17 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Don't "approach", just chat.

Gold - remember that.

When you initiate discussion, do it w/o any preconceptions of a desired result when you first start out - that relieves you from any self-imposed 'pressure' or 'expectation'. But once you get into a conversation, switch on the intent within a 30secs so you don't get friendzoned.

had several approaches in the last few days with somewhat better results than my "rut" of the past few weeks. Of note, the best was today;

Wednesday at Whole foods; college aged blonde, a 7....she was looking at the sushi section.

Me: Excuse me, is the sushi here good?
Her: yes, I like the tuna.
I pick up a box and examine it.
Me; these California rolls look good.
we bullshit about the sushi for a minute or so.
For some reason, it may have come up, I talk about my food allergies a bit....in retrospect it might have been too much info. I was also talking to fast at some points, just happy to have an attractive young woman interested in talking.
She was doing good eye contact. Smiling and seemed attracted.
Me: Are you on a late lunch break like me today?
Her: Yeah, just got off school.
Me: oh...where are you a student?
she tells me. She's majoring in dance. Evident from her tight little body.
I asked her name and didn't offer mine. She asked mine. She also asked where I worked when I dropped bait on it.
At the end.
Me: Let's grab a coffee or something sometime.
Her: Ok....my number is blah blah ...just started giving it to me.
I just hand her my phone opened to the enter contact area ( maybe I should have just entered her number as she was saying...in any event she puts it in)
At one point she also mentioned " If God has that planned for me" indicating she was religious. The school she goes to is a "Christian" university....though I've known some party girls from there.
I pat her on the shoulder..."nice to talk with you....I'll shoot you a text"

I texted her an hour later 'nice to meet you thanks for sushi advice....Rob" - no response. I actually misspelled her name on the first text and sent a second text saying " I meant 'Rachel' lol" ....might have messed up her desire to text back. I'll probably do something after the weekend as a hail mary. I really felt she'd text back...oh well.

Next: At whole foods in same food area not 10 minutes later. A tall, slender runway model looking girl with blonde hair and blue eyes walks around the corner. Eye contact. She smiles and so do I. She grabs a drink down the way and when she walks past again....I walk past her again.

Me: Excuse me
Her: Yes
Me: hi , how are you...I say warmly while grinning just a little.
Her: Good...she looks at me quizzically.
Me: I know this sounds a bit random, but I noticed you just now and I thought you looked nice today and I wanted to say hello.
She grins and thanks me.
Me: I'm robreke ( extending my hand)
Her: I'm Lauren
M So ,what are you up to today?
H: just grabbing lunch heading back to work now.
She's smiling , being polite with eye contact but has her body quartered away as if she needs to go.
M - well, I have to get going as well. Want to grab a coffee sometime ?
H - I'm dating someone now...but thank you. I'm flattered. (she says this while smiling and she winks )
M- I understand, nice to meet you.


Today at coffee shop. A tall blonde who is a little 'thick' but bangable ( I'll give her a 6.5) sitting behind me in baseball cap , tight black pants and a t shirt with tight athletic sweater. Out of the corner of my eye, it seems I sense her looking at me when I get up a few times and when she walks by once.
I work on my computer for about 45 minutes and when I get ready to leave, while I'm sitting, I turn around and look at her laptop.
Me: Hey, is that a good laptop?
Her: Yes, I really like it....blah blah.....we go on about apple laptops for 3 or 4 minutes. she uses it mostly for school. she offers that she goes to a local medical uni.
Me: Yeah, I notice you've got some chemistry down there you're writing about.
Her; yeah I'm in dental school.
I get her talking about that. I joke that she should move somewhere where people have bad teeth like certain countries in europe. She could put p a sign saying "American dentist - will fix your bad teeth" then joke how that would be condescending. she laughs
She mentions which sorority she's in. I tell her those girls are trouble and I've known a few. I make fun of the way her sorority worships owls. ( I used to date a girl in same sorority from other school)
SHe asks my name when I ask hers and asks about where I work.
Me: Let's grab a coffee sometime.
Her: OK,
As I'm entering her number she says " I'm going to be busy for the next couple weeks though"
Me: I'll text you in a few weeks, if you don't text back...I'll get over it. If you do.....we'll have a great time"
Texted her and 90 minutes later she texted back 'nice to meet you too'
probably wait a few weeks and hit her up.

Last and best. Today...later the same day, I went to whole foods.
I noticed a tall beautiful brunette at the lunch line. Getting vegetables. I checked her out. Crossfit clothes. Tall, great athletic body...not bulked up like some crossfit girls but lean and tall. A 9. The kind of girl who needs no makeup because of big beautiful eyes and good features, full lips, etc. Peg her about 25 -27 tops ( 25 - 30 is kind of my sweet spot )
She walks by with her food as I'm grabbing a plate.
Me: Excuse me, are those vegetables good? ( referring to a stir fry deal she just got)
Her: Yes....( she goes on about them and even another vegetable...somewhat enthusiastically )
after asking about vegetables like an idiot for a minute or so ( elder chat) .....
Me: You look like you're fueling up to go workout. You look all athletic now.
Her: Yes, I trained this morning. I do crossfit. I'm going to get my hair done now.
Me: Oh crossfit....how long have you done that?
We talk about crossfit for a solid 5 or more minutes. She enthusiastically tells me about it and her goals. she used to be a personal trainer. at one point, I complement her on how well versed she is and that she should train in crossfit. ( she is a well spoken and very confident girl. At first, I had to hold my frame as she was a very confident girl. I maintained strong eye contact. I really listened and fortunately, I was still a good 4 or more inches taller than her ( she was about 5'9 or 5'10)
after this...I know she needs to go...but she's still standing there.
Her: well, what's your name?
Me: robreke.
Her: I'm Hailey.
She mentions getting the crossfit trainer certification.
I tell her I'm currently studying for a certification at my job.
Her: what do you do?
I tell her.
SHe tells me she's in pharmaceutical sales and goes on about that for a few minutes. I ask a few questions. I throw in:
Me: It may not work out between us....I used to date a girl in pharmaceutical sales. ( I lightly grasp her shoulder )
She kind of delates and smiles a little like 'oh well'
we keep talking. I ask her if she drinks sometime because she mentioned a trip to New Orleans. She says she has wine sometime but not much because of training.
Got her number.
Two 'dilemas' with this girl....provided she texts back:

# 1: She lives in a town about 90 minutes away and was just here for the day...and rarely comes here. I mentioned I drive through often as my family is on the coast which takes me through her town.

# 2: She's going on a trip to Tampa next week and we've all heard how 'travel hurts attraction/ your chances, etc"

I will text her later today....and then was thinking of waiting until the week after next and pretend like I'm driving through her town ( I may actually be as I've got to go down to see my folks sometime in the next few weeks ) and ask her for a drink one night. Anyone manage to date/pull ass on a hot girl whose number you got who lives a good 90 minutes to two hours away ( after a trip to the beach no less )?

In any event, I'm happy because I'm back to at least consistently getting numbers from attractive young women.

Here are a couple of examples of how I interact with girls throughout my day without doing a "traditional" approach.

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Today I decided to go to the gym ( fridays are usually my off day) and hit legs.

As im entering the gym I see one of my old fraternity brothers behind the counter along with three other girl employees.

One of the girls I know through some old fraternity bros ( she used to be a groopie to the guys round my age)

Anyway as i walk through the door of the gym, both of them ( my old frat bro and the groopie say hi to me)


then the groopie goes:

groopie; sketness are you going barrel ( wine) tasting this year?

Me; no i told you... all of my friends are losers.. are you?

Her; no im not 21 yet

me; are you going( directed toward a blond next to the groopie )

The blond (short petite, 6 in looks)behind the desk perks up

blond; yea im going!!!

me; ( with a smirk) aww now i don't wanna go

her; ( her jaw falls open like she can't believe i said that, while she kinda smiles)

I then move on to my workout.

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After my workout, im about to walkout of the gym door when right at that second, this tall blond easily a 8 meets me at the door and pulls the door open for me to walk through to exit. I promptly meet her with

Me; ( i pitch my voice a little higher than normal) why thank you

Her; (she smiles) oh your welcome

me; well chivalry still does exist

her; hahah

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As im leaving the gym I head to the bank to deposit a check.

I enter the bank and notice that there are two tellers working. One is total fatty and the other one looks about a 7 but i can't tell because she is helping a customer.

Not wanting to go to the fatties window I decide to stall a bit to wait for the cute chick to get done with her customer.

while im waiting i decide to fill out a deposit slip and try to do it myself for once.

as her customer finishes i walk up to her window and get a closer look. She actually aint bad.

a solid 7 brunette, with skinny arms and decent face, i couldn't see her body since she was sitting down though i assume it was decent.

I walk up to her window and open:

me; hey i tried to do this deposit slip myself but i think i messed up

her; really, most people don't even try to do them.

me; yea i think i messed up i cant subtract to save my life

her; haha thats what a cellphone calculator is for.

me; (smirking) i have a flip phone so...

her; haha

we go on about my business and we get everything straightened out

I ask her how her day is going and she gives me the generic answer then asks what im doing this weekend i answer blandly.

while my transaction is going through i notice her nails ( they are brightly colored and each nail is a random color)

me; your nails remind me of an aunt that recently gets divorced but is going back out on the town.

her; ( confused but intrigued look) wow, thank you...i guess?

me; ( i just shrug my shoulders)

me; how do my accounts look

her; not bad, i can read them out loud to you if you want

me; (with a smirk) naw its ok, i dont want to attract gold diggers

her; ( starts laughing) hahaha ok

me; ill see you later

her (still laughing) bye

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Now each of those interactions just came from me handing my business around town.

Nothing spectacular.

There are some that will say 'well sketness you didn't grab any numbers so your not really doing anything but just wasting time'

To them they are both right and wrong at the same time.

They are right by the fact that i didn't grab any numbers, thus extending the time to my next bang.

Although where they are wrong is that, by learning to chat up girls and project a certain frame at all times. You never have to "turn on" your social/ inner player. Its always on

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Also ive noticed that girls like when conversations are organic.

this means that girls for some reason like when you chat them up, making them fell like it was fate or you just "happened" to comment about the avocados in her basket

I think that girls can smell when a guy is coming at them with a pre-planned agenda, and for them a lot of times it comes off as fake.

In my opinion, being genuinely interested in the girl beyond trying to grab her number will communicate to her that this guy is not just trying to fuck me, but actually cares about whats going on in my life

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Anyway Im still young and don't know much but this is just my two-cents

happy hunting boys

Did my first approach in whole foods tonight.

My married buddy stopped by to catch up and we walked to WFoods nearby to grab some snacks. A cute asian girl with an inviting body was shopping alone with a serious look on her face. She looked foreign born, which I love. I kept lurking with my buddy and checking her out, trying to decide whether to make the approach.

I didn't let on what I wanted to do lest he might force me to make the move. We finally checked out when I told him I'm thinking of chatting the cute girl up. Of course he encouraged me. I went searching for her, not sure I would go through with it. i was a bit nervous. I've done my share of day game but it's been awhile and rust builds fast; She was alone in an aisle

me: excuse me; can i tell you something? I just saw you walking around and thought you looked really nice; i had to say hello
her eyes brightened and she became quite aminated; she was happy I approached; we had a good banter going ; turns out she's japanese, new to canada for 2 months and was a former steward with Qatar Air. She told she's now a 'housewife' and came to Canada because of her husband; she seems eager to talk some more although I slowly start to wrap it up. I tell her it was nice meeting her blah blah blah

Meet my friend (an all natural player from puberty), and start telling him the story; When he realizes I ended the convo...he convinces me to go back and get the number.

Back to whole foods and she's still shopping. I say hello again and tell her I'm with a friend having coffee in the cafe and she's welcome to join us.
'You're so friendly!' she exclaims; I sure am. She starts peppering me with questions about my work and background which made it clear I was in her head when I left her. I asked for her number and caught the hesitation/concern when looking her dead in the eye. She ended up putting my number into her iPhone.

If she contacts me Ill know what's up.

I'd be surprised if that happens. But you never know in this game...

I conducted three approaches yesterday. All in all, I obtained a number but I sense I'll run into logistical problems due to the number being foreign (Australian). However, one approach didn't go too well; my game was a bit rusty at due to the time of day and she seemed irritated.

The Terrible Approach
She's a 7 Scottish girl with auburn hair reading Anna Karenina at the Starbucks in Piccadilly. I plan on having a coffee but before I buy anything I sit down next to her.

Me: Hi. I just wanted to you're hot.
Her: Thank you but I'm taken.
Me: *I ignore her words* Give me your number.
Her: No. *She stands-up*
Me: *I stand-up and go for a hug*
Her: Fuck off.
Me: You too. By the way, Anna Karenina dies. *I walk out.*

I realise I shouldn't have given her such a 'heavy' compliment. Also, I should have taken the rejection lightly and simply moved-on to the next target.

No result
She's a seemingly English girl scoring about 6.5 with black hair walking rapidly. I run in front of her and stop her for thirty seconds tops. I have very little hope for this approach so I'm very direct.

Me: Hi. You're not too bad. Give me your number. *Pull-out my phone*
Her: I'm sorry but I can't right now.
Me: Only ten seconds.
Her: *Walking away.* Sorry.

Did I do anything wrong?

Aussie Number Obtained
She's a twenty-year-old blonde Australian tourist scoring a 7 on my book. We're walking on opposite sides so we make eye contact several times which I interpret as an IOI. I decide to approach.

Me: Hello. You don't seem to be from here. Are you Dutch? My mum told me to stay away from Dutch girls. They're good in bed though.
Her: *blushes* I'm from Brisbane!
Me: Australia?
Her: *nods* What's your name?
Me: Rubirosa. Porfirio Rubirosa. Otherwise known as Daniel Craig.
Her: *Laughs* I'm [Insert Name Here]. I'm 20.
Me: I'm 24. Give me your number. *Hand-over my phone*
Her: It's Australian.
Me: Don't worry; I don't call. Whatsapp.
Her: *Takes phone and writes number.* What language is this?
Me: Spanish.
Her: Why?
Me: *Take out my Spanish passport.*
Her: You're Spanish?
Me: Uh-huh. I need to go now; have a nice day.
Her: *Finishes writing number down* Bye. Call me.
Me: I don't call.
Her: Whatsapp then!
Me: *Hug and two cheek-kisses*

1. I know I'm not a good comedian but jokes need not be excellent after you've received a series of IOIs and are certain she's interested.
2. I had used my passport earlier in the day and hadn't gone home.
3. The Whatsapp thing was said in a joking manner; she wasn't offended.
4. Suggestions? What did I do wrong?

You need to establish some kind of rapport in your approaches. You're asking for the number way too fast.

(02-21-2015 03:51 AM)Porfirio Rubirosa Wrote:  I conducted three approaches yesterday. All in all, I obtained a number but I sense I'll run into logistical problems due to the number being foreign (Australian). However, one approach didn't go too well; my game was a bit rusty at due to the time of day and she seemed irritated.

The Terrible Approach
She's a 7 Scottish girl with auburn hair reading Anna Karenina at the Starbucks in Piccadilly. I plan on having a coffee but before I buy anything I sit down next to her.

Me: Hi. I just wanted to you're hot.
Her: Thank you but I'm taken.
Me: *I ignore her words* Give me your number.
Her: No. *She stands-up*
Me: *I stand-up and go for a hug*
Her: Fuck off.
Me: You too. By the way, Anna Karenina dies. *I walk out.*

I realise I shouldn't have given her such a 'heavy' compliment. Also, I should have taken the rejection lightly and simply moved-on to the next target.

No result
She's a seemingly English girl scoring about 6.5 with black hair walking rapidly. I run in front of her and stop her for thirty seconds tops. I have very little hope for this approach so I'm very direct.

Me: Hi. You're not too bad. Give me your number. *Pull-out my phone*
Her: I'm sorry but I can't right now.
Me: Only ten seconds.
Her: *Walking away.* Sorry.

Did I do anything wrong?

Aussie Number Obtained
She's a twenty-year-old blonde Australian tourist scoring a 7 on my book. We're walking on opposite sides so we make eye contact several times which I interpret as an IOI. I decide to approach.

Me: Hello. You don't seem to be from here. Are you Dutch? My mum told me to stay away from Dutch girls. They're good in bed though.
Her: *blushes* I'm from Brisbane!
Me: Australia?
Her: *nods* What's your name?
Me: Rubirosa. Porfirio Rubirosa. Otherwise known as Daniel Craig.
Her: *Laughs* I'm [Insert Name Here]. I'm 20.
Me: I'm 24. Give me your number. *Hand-over my phone*
Her: It's Australian.
Me: Don't worry; I don't call. Whatsapp.
Her: *Takes phone and writes number.* What language is this?
Me: Spanish.
Her: Why?
Me: *Take out my Spanish passport.*
Her: You're Spanish?
Me: Uh-huh. I need to go now; have a nice day.
Her: *Finishes writing number down* Bye. Call me.
Me: I don't call.
Her: Whatsapp then!
Me: *Hug and two cheek-kisses*

1. I know I'm not a good comedian but jokes need not be excellent after you've received a series of IOIs and are certain she's interested.
2. I had used my passport earlier in the day and hadn't gone home.
3. The Whatsapp thing was said in a joking manner; she wasn't offended.
4. Suggestions? What did I do wrong?

^ Yes, what GameEthic said.....I actually typed the below without reading what he had posted ( we must have been doing simultaneous posts).....and to expound on that:

I have to give it to you. Those are ballsy approaches. You're telling some of these girls ( most) they're hot and "give me your number" in the first one or two sentences you say to them.

My suggestion is don't be so aggressive. Women need to warm up to you just a bit. If you want to do direct, tell them " I just noticed you and thought you looked cute/nice today and wanted to say hello" Then, introduce yourself and ask them what they're up to today.

To me, that is less "brutal" than walking up and saying - hey you're not bad , give me your number' I think most women will pass on that ( though there are surely some that won't)

You certainly seem to have approach anxiety under control somewhat which is good.

I think you just need to tone it down a little, develop a little bit of comfort, hopefully get them to ask about you....and THEN, ask for number/suggest a get together.

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Thank you to both. I'll do a minimum of two approaches today and I'll report back. The Aussie girl probably gave me her number because bitch shields are reduced when outside of their ''natural habitat''.