(12-09-2015 06:52 PM)Designate Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 06:27 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  How does one salvage being called out for calling someone late at night?

I called one of my Tinder matches after not getting a reply when I texted her in the afternoon confirming our date. I'd gotten her number the night before.

She didn't sound terribly impressed about me "calling at 10".

All's lost?

Did she confirm?

10PM is late for some girls, but I think in general most chicks view calling them as an annoyance or at least an inconvenience no matter what time of day it is.

You were texting and calling, some chicks may associate this with neediness. I'd choose one or the other and stick with that for the day.

Judging by the fact she was going to leave you hanging on that text, it might have never been there to begin with.

Response times say a lot. Tinder hoes are the easiest to read in this regard.

Negative. I # closed the night before, like I said, after 5-ish exchanges, within an hour of matching. There was obviously a fair bit of keenness on her part, but hadn't built up much comfort (An area I'm still lacking in).

Texted next noon to confirm our Friday date. Followed up with a call at 2200. I legitimately got carried away with stuff or I'd have done so earlier.
Texts back asking why I called. I reply truthfully, to which she goes: "So (you) call me at 10 on a Wednesday night"

Obviously, she wasn't terribly impressed, but I oughtn't just leave that hanging. I have a hunch that an apology is the worst thing I could give.

Granted my city isn't full of night owls, but note that we were messaging on Tinder over an hour later than that the night before. I don't actually make it a point to call Tinder matches, but I read on the Tinder App thread that it helps with comfort/creeper issues. I should've calibrated that against my texting her earlier that day.

(12-09-2015 08:45 AM)BackFromTheBrink Wrote:  Background

HER
Rating: 6.5
Hair: Blonde
Age: 28
Profession: Nurse
Site: POF

ME
Game Level: Novice (1/10)

Noticed she had what looked like a large pink dildo in the background of one of her pics.

Chat so far ...

Me: Nice selection of cosmetics but the long pink "thing" looks suspicious
Her: That's because you have a dirty mind lol ... it's a hair roller
Me: True but that's partly your fault!

Any advice on how to proceed?

Your opener wasn't that bad, but you fell into her frame by answering her accusation directly and then sort of blaming her in a sort of joking fashion and then using an exclamation point. What exactly warrants the exclamation point/excitement and what do you think is compelling about what you said that would cause her to want to respond?

I think the answer is nothing on both topics.

As for how to proceed I think this one is dead, but you could try, "On a clean topic, I'm free x night or y night for a drink. Which works for you?"

(12-09-2015 02:50 PM)keegs Wrote:  Lets say girl goes cold after asking when free for date this week --- how long do you guys usually wait to re-engage? I have a good text ready for it that I think will hook her, just want timing to be right.

You gave her too many choices and gave her frame by asking her when she is free. If she doesn't respond you can throw out a hail mary like, "did you die?" or many of the others that pepper this thread, but I think it's likely a dead end.

(12-09-2015 09:38 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  Negative. I # closed the night before, like I said, after 5-ish exchanges, within an hour of matching. There was obviously a fair bit of keenness on her part, but hadn't built up much comfort (An area I'm still lacking in).

Texted next noon to confirm our Friday date. Followed up with a call at 2200. I legitimately got carried away with stuff or I'd have done so earlier.
Texts back asking why I called. I reply truthfully, to which she goes: "So (you) call me at 10 on a Wednesday night"

Obviously, she wasn't terribly impressed, but I oughtn't just leave that hanging. I have a hunch that an apology is the worst thing I could give.

Granted my city isn't full of night owls, but note that we were messaging on Tinder over an hour later than that the night before. I don't actually make it a point to call Tinder matches, but I read on the Tinder App thread that it helps with comfort/creeper issues. I should've calibrated that against my texting her earlier that day.

"Yep I was free for a few. Past your bedtime huh"

Just act like it's normal and play it off like it's the not a big deal that it is.

Shit test, but honestly she might just be kind of a bitch. Will depend on her response.

(12-07-2015 06:03 PM)robreke Wrote:  Got a text from a first date bang today, while scheduling our next meet up. On our second date, she was on her period so got a great hand and BJ. We were supposed to get together tonight, which would be the third meet up, but she said she's got two finals tomorrow and needs to focus. I know it is finals week as I'm talking to a few other co ed girls. I ask her when to reschedule and she sends this:

Her: Friday night. But just for a couple of hours to talk and watch a movie

Now normally, I'd allow a girl plausible deniability and just go with "sure that's fine" but the thing is I pay for this girl's uber to and from my place and, beta as it is, I picked up a small gift for her and she knows about it. So, I don't want to pay for her uber and give up the gift and then her ghost without at least a last bang. In the old days I wouldn't be so concerned with a girl I'd already banged, but with the way girls can ghost these days after a bang or two, a horny guy never can be too cautious.

She's trying to set the frame of the date.

I'm thinking either let her have her plausible deniability, roll the dice and try to close when she's here or send something like "nah that doesn't work for me...." or " and satisfy each other of course...."

Any chance her knowing you got her the gift is making her dry up a bit?

Appreciate the feedback ~wrIghter~ and AneroidOcean. Clearly have lots to learn.

(12-09-2015 06:52 PM)Designate Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 06:27 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  How does one salvage being called out for calling someone late at night?

I called one of my Tinder matches after not getting a reply when I texted her in the afternoon confirming our date. I'd gotten her number the night before.

She didn't sound terribly impressed about me "calling at 10".

All's lost?

Did she confirm?

10PM is late for some girls, but I think in general most chicks view calling them as an annoyance or at least an inconvenience no matter what time of day it is.

You were texting and calling, some chicks may associate this with neediness. I'd choose one or the other and stick with that for the day.

Judging by the fact she was going to leave you hanging on that text, it might have never been there to begin with.

Response times say a lot. Tinder hoes are the easiest to read in this regard.

(12-09-2015 10:05 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 09:38 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  Negative. I # closed the night before, like I said, after 5-ish exchanges, within an hour of matching. There was obviously a fair bit of keenness on her part, but hadn't built up much comfort (An area I'm still lacking in).

Texted next noon to confirm our Friday date. Followed up with a call at 2200. I legitimately got carried away with stuff or I'd have done so earlier.
Texts back asking why I called. I reply truthfully, to which she goes: "So (you) call me at 10 on a Wednesday night"

Obviously, she wasn't terribly impressed, but I oughtn't just leave that hanging. I have a hunch that an apology is the worst thing I could give.

Granted my city isn't full of night owls, but note that we were messaging on Tinder over an hour later than that the night before. I don't actually make it a point to call Tinder matches, but I read on the Tinder App thread that it helps with comfort/creeper issues. I should've calibrated that against my texting her earlier that day.

"Yep I was free for a few. Past your bedtime huh"

Just act like it's normal and play it off like it's the not a big deal that it is.

Shit test, but honestly she might just be kind of a bitch. Will depend on her response.

Designate and AneroidOcean, thanks. The shit test possibility made to mind briefly, but I tried your reply, no response. Maybe she might've bitten had she done so.

There's a chance that she indeed mightn't have been keen anymore, but I guess that's Tinder for you eh?

I wonder if it's just that younger ones have Tinder ADHD -- she's 20. Older ones have been happy to keep the ball going back and forth.

(12-10-2015 07:31 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  Designate and AneroidOcean, thanks. The shit test possibility made to mind briefly, but I tried your reply, no response. Maybe she might've bitten had she done so.

There's a chance that she indeed mightn't have been keen anymore, but I guess that's Tinder for you eh?

I wonder if it's just that younger ones have Tinder ADHD -- she's 20. Older ones have been happy to keep the ball going back and forth.

Indeed, I've seen the same situation play out enough myself.

You match. Send that her that intriguing opener, build rapport, get her number. You move over to text or whatsapp and push for that meetup ASAP.

Meanwhile she's getting hit up and gamed by dozens of other dudes on that same app and in reality.

Coupled with the fact these girls in that age bracket have some level of ADHD, you've got to have your shit together or all is lost.

It's a pure numbers game.

You must really get a feel for what this chick is about when you build rapport. Yeah you can push to meet for a drink near your pad, but chances a bunch of guys have tried that with this hoe.

Separate yourself by offering experiences others aren't. Ask her to go for a ride on your motorcycle at dusk. Go salsa dancing. Go surfing. Activities with lots of Kino. If she's a true Tinder hoe and looks like a bit of a partier, ask her to come over and smoke weed and fuck her brains out. You get the point.

(12-09-2015 10:05 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 02:50 PM)keegs Wrote:  Lets say girl goes cold after asking when free for date this week --- how long do you guys usually wait to re-engage? I have a good text ready for it that I think will hook her, just want timing to be right.

You gave her too many choices and gave her frame by asking her when she is free. If she doesn't respond you can throw out a hail mary like, "did you die?" or many of the others that pepper this thread, but I think it's likely a dead end.

Update:I never sent a hail mary; she responded last night saying:
"Omg I thought I resp to you!!! I typed and it didnt send. What's your plan this week?"

Bros, do I respond to that today? I could meet her tonight, might be out of town over the weekend. Or let her sit? It's been about 14 hours since she sent that.

PS big props/thanks to all who contribute to this thread. Goldmine.

(12-10-2015 11:06 AM)keegs Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 10:05 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 02:50 PM)keegs Wrote:  Lets say girl goes cold after asking when free for date this week --- how long do you guys usually wait to re-engage? I have a good text ready for it that I think will hook her, just want timing to be right.

You gave her too many choices and gave her frame by asking her when she is free. If she doesn't respond you can throw out a hail mary like, "did you die?" or many of the others that pepper this thread, but I think it's likely a dead end.

Update:I never sent a hail mary; she responded last night saying:
"Omg I thought I resp to you!!! I typed and it didnt send. What's your plan this week?"

Bros, do I respond to that today? I could meet her tonight, might be out of town over the weekend. Or let her sit? It's been about 14 hours since she sent that.

PS big props/thanks to all who contribute to this thread. Goldmine.

Set a given day, respond ASAP and hand her her options. If you can push for something the sooner, the better, but at least have something locked in. If you met her online, go for the former.

Simply asking her when she was free in the first place gives her control of the interaction. Assuming you'd proposed something in concrete, she'd be forced to be upfront, and were she honestly keen, would suggest sometime else.

(12-10-2015 09:23 AM)Designate Wrote:  You must really get a feel for what this chick is about when you build rapport. Yeah you can push to meet for a drink near your pad, but chances a bunch of guys have tried that with this hoe.

Designate, this discussion is probably moving more and more OT and should go to the Tinder thread.

I find that I've been pushing a lot for a first-date Tinder bang, especially if logistics have been in my favour. Should I be a bit more discriminating about when to stretch that out? That's a discussion for another thread but as far you're talking about, this is getting a feel for her needs and setting up your date accordingly.

In this case, I didn't set up a "let's go fuck" frame. I latched on to something about her and offered it up as a date idea. Which brings me to your last point below.

I'm still trying to work out this whole matter of getting a feel for what she's about. Part of it comes through eking it out via your conversation.
I reckon I'm just lacking confidence in my ability with the whole rapport process, which is as I see it, attraction/tension -> comfort -> banter. I'd never been good at making small talk out of nothing, and using that to fill the comfort -> banter phase. What this means is that not a whole lot has actually been exchanged prior to the date. Conversation flowed via the snippets that went through.

Bottom line is, I've made it somewhat of a point to cut through much of that and go for the # close. Usually that's in the wake of talking about meeting up.

(12-10-2015 09:23 AM)Designate Wrote:  Separate yourself by offering experiences others aren't. Ask her to go for a ride on your motorcycle at dusk. Go salsa dancing. Go surfing. Activities with lots of Kino. If she's a true Tinder hoe and looks like a bit of a partier, ask her to come over and smoke weed and fuck her brains out. You get the point.

This chick is a dancer, I worked that into the initial Tinder exchange, which she was receptive towards. Could every second lame schlub have thought of that? Maybe, but I'm starting to think outside the box WRT what I can offer her.

Anyway, she still hasn't responded. I might give it a couple of days before trying to re-engage, or just drop her altogether.

Any ideas for a good reply to

"haha dont get cocky"

She's playing games but I can close this, blanking on this one though.

(12-10-2015 11:06 AM)keegs Wrote:  Update:I never sent a hail mary; she responded last night saying:
"Omg I thought I resp to you!!! I typed and it didnt send. What's your plan this week?"

Bros, do I respond to that today? I could meet her tonight, might be out of town over the weekend. Or let her sit? It's been about 14 hours since she sent that.

PS big props/thanks to all who contribute to this thread. Goldmine.

Might be too late, I just checked this thread and I noticed you posted 8 hours ago, but here's how I would've responded:

"hate that. I'm going on an adventure, but have tonight open. Drinks 8 PM?"

You could try to write a sarcastic line about how her phone needs a talking to or how she has a "bad phone" but it'd probably come off as tryhard. She could be making up the message not sending (most likely) but it's possible she just forgot to send it. Girls get tons and tons of messages. The important part is she responded and you can now drive it towards a meetup. Bonus if you use the above message but throw in a travel emoji.

NOTE: I don't condone using a lot of emoticons and emojis, but this is a weak lead already, maybe draw her into your world some with the travel/adventure idea since girls are often kind of boring without men DOING stuff to bring excitement into their lives.

(12-10-2015 07:31 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  Designate and AneroidOcean, thanks. The shit test possibility made to mind briefly, but I tried your reply, no response. Maybe she might've bitten had she done so.

There's a chance that she indeed mightn't have been keen anymore, but I guess that's Tinder for you eh?

I wonder if it's just that younger ones have Tinder ADHD -- she's 20. Older ones have been happy to keep the ball going back and forth.

Yeah, the younger ones definitely have more ADHD, but you definitely have to separate yourself from the pack and not take their shit. This helps you in two ways as you're both more attractive to them overall and you can move right on past the time-wasters.

(12-10-2015 12:33 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  This chick is a dancer, I worked that into the initial Tinder exchange, which she was receptive towards. Could every second lame schlub have thought of that? Maybe, but I'm starting to think outside the box WRT what I can offer her.

Anyway, she still hasn't responded. I might give it a couple of days before trying to re-engage, or just drop her altogether.

I find that girls who are dancers are artistic or like to express themselves in some other way. The only way I would've gone the dance route is as a segue-way to something that most guys aren't asking her about.

Probably a dead player though, I'm afraid.

(12-10-2015 06:51 PM)keegs Wrote:  Any ideas for a good reply to

"haha dont get cocky"

She's playing games but I can close this, blanking on this one though.

What was your text that resulted in her responding that way?

Need context!

EDIT: Okay, you didn't provide context, so it's really tough to say.

Best option without context is to ignore it, move on to the rest of the conversation/banter. She's testing you. If she brings it up again, you can agree/amplify "yep, nice guys end up lonely" or just set the frame, "Yeah I call it like I see it" or "Yeah I'm not PC so I can actually have fun"

Bit of background: 19 yr old Polish girl, 2 dates, we banged on the 2nd date after allot of LMR. She was a virgin.

I text her 4 days after our meeting and some obvious buyers remorse from here, not sure what to text next. I would like to bang her again for sure.
After some brief small talk:

Me: I would like to see you again before I'm going home.

Her: When are you going home??
I don't feel good after this what happened last lime.. I think I shouldn't have go to you

Me: Well I'm s little disappointed that you say that because I thought it was nice. I don't mean just for sex but that we spent more time together. I like meeting with you. I'm sorry you didn't like it and feel that way but at least you're honest, I appreciate that.
(I think this was really bad?) but I responded while I was sleeping and briefly woke up and read her last message, I wasn't fully conscious.

Her: Don't get me wrong. Time that I spent with you was really nice! I regret that I behaved in that way last time but don't regret that I met you. This is clear that our meetings make no sense but I like you anyway.. How long will you be here before you go home?

I copied this directly from fb. I haven't yet responded. Any help would be appreciated.

(12-10-2015 07:10 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 06:51 PM)keegs Wrote:  Any ideas for a good reply to

"haha dont get cocky"

She's playing games but I can close this, blanking on this one though.

What was your text that resulted in her responding that way?

Need context!

EDIT: Okay, you didn't provide context, so it's really tough to say.

Best option without context is to ignore it, move on to the rest of the conversation/banter. She's testing you. If she brings it up again, you can agree/amplify "yep, nice guys end up lonely" or just set the frame, "Yeah I call it like I see it" or "Yeah I'm not PC so I can actually have fun"

Ah damn, my bad man.

I did exactly that though - ignored and said something along the lines of lets get drinks saturday. She replied yes she's down but there's a chance she's visiting family at home on Saturday (she is fairly local). I basically am calling bullshit on that and that she's setting up a flake, so I replied
me: "unsubscribe"
her: "and what does that mean?"

Havent replied, not going to until maybe tomorrow.

(12-11-2015 08:58 AM)_Samo_ Wrote:  Bit of background: 19 yr old Polish girl, 2 dates, we banged on the 2nd date after allot of LMR. She was a virgin.

I text her 4 days after our meeting and some obvious buyers remorse from here, not sure what to text next. I would like to bang her again for sure.
After some brief small talk:

Me: I would like to see you again before I'm going home.

Her: When are you going home??
I don't feel good after this what happened last lime.. I think I shouldn't have go to you

Me: Well I'm s little disappointed that you say that because I thought it was nice. I don't mean just for sex but that we spent more time together. I like meeting with you. I'm sorry you didn't like it and feel that way but at least you're honest, I appreciate that.
(I think this was really bad?) but I responded while I was sleeping and briefly woke up and read her last message, I wasn't fully conscious.

Her: Don't get me wrong. Time that I spent with you was really nice! I regret that I behaved in that way last time but don't regret that I met you. This is clear that our meetings make no sense but I like you anyway.. How long will you be here before you go home?

I copied this directly from fb. I haven't yet responded. Any help would be appreciated.

Cut the small talk, just suggest that this conversation would be better had in person. Push to meet for coffee or something innocent like that so you can rebuild attraction again.

Small talk was literally, hey, what's up, what you doing, nothing more.
I can't see how attraction can be gone already? It was just Sunday. Even after sex she kept kissing me and touching, initiated it again at like 4am even after saying hour previously she shouldn't of done that because "she doesn't know me well". Then the same when I woke up the next day.

(12-11-2015 11:01 AM)_Samo_ Wrote:  Small talk was literally, hey, what's up, what you doing, nothing more.
I can't see how attraction can be gone already? It was just Sunday. Even after sex she kept kissing me and touching, initiated it again at like 4am even after saying hour previously she shouldn't of done that because "she doesn't know me well". Then the same when I woke up the next day.

Quote:Me: Well I'm s little disappointed that you say that because I thought it was nice. I don't mean just for sex but that we spent more time together. I like meeting with you. I'm sorry you didn't like it and feel that way but at least you're honest, I appreciate that.

Well that's "more". Especially the apology.

Anyways, seems like you are in a decent spot with her. She clearly has some buyers remorse going on, but you fucked her more than once so you have a good foundation there.

You just need to meet her in-person again to reaffirm your dominance and frame, all while building back her comfort level. Subtly seduce her again, but do not apologize for wanting to fuck.

(12-11-2015 09:55 AM)keegs Wrote:  Ah damn, my bad man.

I did exactly that though - ignored and said something along the lines of lets get drinks saturday. She replied yes she's down but there's a chance she's visiting family at home on Saturday (she is fairly local). I basically am calling bullshit on that and that she's setting up a flake, so I replied
me: "unsubscribe"
her: "and what does that mean?"

Havent replied, not going to until maybe tomorrow.

Good. I wouldn't have said "unsubscribe" I would've gone with "oh" or "hm" or "lame" or a lot of things before that. It's not horrible though.

Is her family far from where you guys live? If not, you could tell her "Family early, then drinks 8 PM" or "family first, drinks after"

If her family is far, I'd go with something like, "don't like maybe"

(12-11-2015 11:22 AM)Designate Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 11:01 AM)_Samo_ Wrote:  Small talk was literally, hey, what's up, what you doing, nothing more.
I can't see how attraction can be gone already? It was just Sunday. Even after sex she kept kissing me and touching, initiated it again at like 4am even after saying hour previously she shouldn't of done that because "she doesn't know me well". Then the same when I woke up the next day.

Quote:Me: Well I'm s little disappointed that you say that because I thought it was nice. I don't mean just for sex but that we spent more time together. I like meeting with you. I'm sorry you didn't like it and feel that way but at least you're honest, I appreciate that.

Well that's "more". Especially the apology.

Anyways, seems like you are in a decent spot with her. She clearly has some buyers remorse going on, but you fucked her more than once so you have a good foundation there.

You just need to meet her in-person again to reaffirm your dominance and frame, all while building back her comfort level. Subtly seduce her again, but do not apologize for wanting to fuck.

I agree with designate and to expand a little:

She's feeling like an idiot for losing her virginity so fast and to a guy that she isn't sure is "special."

You need to provide some comfort, but keep it positive. You want to frame it as a positive thing that she lost her virginity to a guy she had such a strong connection with and that it was a very good experience. Tell her how most people lost their virginity in an awkward and sometime very uncomfortable way. It's often times not a very good experience for people. Don't tell her you're in love with her, but she needs to know that you do care for her and that it's unfortunate you have to go home but that you don't regret anything with her and the intense connection made it worth the short time. Focus on the fun, the positive, the connection and the sex will follow. She just needs to be led and made to not feel like a total slut.

Hey. So I met this girl at a club, very cute, maybe slightly taller than me (I am short). Probably face a 9 with make up, body a 8.5. She seemed pretty aloof initially when my female friend introduced us. Then we were dancing in a group and no one was talking to her so i slide over to her. Managed to get her face book. My female friend and I leave the club a little while after, then out of the blue, the girl messages me on facebook (hadn't added her yet).

Her: "Hey! Did you and kay get home alright?"
Me: (30 mins later) "Hey yer we're good should've joined us for ramen"
Her: (immediately) "Hehe the one next to China bar?"
Her: (5 mins later) "Anyway! I'm gonna sleep ? Gnight! Sweet dreams!"

Haven't responded since. Just got back home so its really late. Would like to organise something with her but unsure how to start texting her again since tonight has concluded. If I am reading this right, she's shown some passive IOIs above.

(12-11-2015 04:29 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 09:55 AM)keegs Wrote:  Ah damn, my bad man.

I did exactly that though - ignored and said something along the lines of lets get drinks saturday. She replied yes she's down but there's a chance she's visiting family at home on Saturday (she is fairly local). I basically am calling bullshit on that and that she's setting up a flake, so I replied
me: "unsubscribe"
her: "and what does that mean?"

Havent replied, not going to until maybe tomorrow.

Good. I wouldn't have said "unsubscribe" I would've gone with "oh" or "hm" or "lame" or a lot of things before that. It's not horrible though.

Is her family far from where you guys live? If not, you could tell her "Family early, then drinks 8 PM" or "family first, drinks after"

If her family is far, I'd go with something like, "don't like maybe"

(12-11-2015 11:22 AM)Designate Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 11:01 AM)_Samo_ Wrote:  Small talk was literally, hey, what's up, what you doing, nothing more.
I can't see how attraction can be gone already? It was just Sunday. Even after sex she kept kissing me and touching, initiated it again at like 4am even after saying hour previously she shouldn't of done that because "she doesn't know me well". Then the same when I woke up the next day.

Quote:Me: Well I'm s little disappointed that you say that because I thought it was nice. I don't mean just for sex but that we spent more time together. I like meeting with you. I'm sorry you didn't like it and feel that way but at least you're honest, I appreciate that.

Well that's "more". Especially the apology.

Anyways, seems like you are in a decent spot with her. She clearly has some buyers remorse going on, but you fucked her more than once so you have a good foundation there.

You just need to meet her in-person again to reaffirm your dominance and frame, all while building back her comfort level. Subtly seduce her again, but do not apologize for wanting to fuck.

I agree with designate and to expand a little:

She's feeling like an idiot for losing her virginity so fast and to a guy that she isn't sure is "special."

You need to provide some comfort, but keep it positive. You want to frame it as a positive thing that she lost her virginity to a guy she had such a strong connection with and that it was a very good experience. Tell her how most people lost their virginity in an awkward and sometime very uncomfortable way. It's often times not a very good experience for people. Don't tell her you're in love with her, but she needs to know that you do care for her and that it's unfortunate you have to go home but that you don't regret anything with her and the intense connection made it worth the short time. Focus on the fun, the positive, the connection and the sex will follow. She just needs to be led and made to not feel like a total slut.

Really solid advice, thank you both. I sent a message and tried to build comfort and said I care etc. she came back with this:

Oh ___! We are talking much about uk girls.. I behaved like them and I am embarrassed now even if you don't think about me that I'm easy girl. Definitely it happened faster than I wanted to.. But now after your message I must say sorry. You have never told me that I mean something to you so I didn't know and I'm sorry I thought you want only sleep with me. I want to see you before Christmas. Will you be in ___ on Tuesday?

I'm actually leaving this date but my flight is at 22. So I'm actually wondering if it's even a good idea to meet considering I can't bang her as I'll have to leave my place early afternoon.

I go out with a girl I met daygaming.
She's 18 and cute.

On the date things are going well (hand in her shirt, making out, getting tugged under the table

Logistics are bad that night but she tells me outright she wants to bang.

I text her the next day and she enthusiastically responds.

I'm busy so I text her back 7 hours later saying we should get together tomorrow.

She writes back "when and where?

I don't read it until the morning because I pass out reading.

I finally get back to her saying a time and a place

She writes back " lol I'll let you know "

Tempted not to even respond but wondering what rvf thinks

"sounds good" or "ok" would work. It puts a little expectation there that you're expecting her to follow through on her promise to 'let you know'

Then, you gotta wait since she said she'll get back to you. If you don't hear from her within a week you could reinitiate.

Good look.

(12-13-2015 03:18 PM)Mr Finish Wrote:  I go out with a girl I met daygaming.
She's 18 and cute.

On the date things are going well (hand in her shirt, making out, getting tugged under the table

Logistics are bad that night but she tells me outright she wants to bang.

I text her the next day and she enthusiastically responds.

I'm busy so I text her back 7 hours later saying we should get together tomorrow.

She writes back "when and where?

I don't read it until the morning because I pass out reading.

I finally get back to her saying a time and a place

She writes back " lol I'll let you know "

Tempted not to even respond but wondering what rvf thinks

You should have striked while the iron was hot and she was still horny especially since she bluntly told you she is DTF.

Send her a ping text in the next few days to see where you stand at with her and determine a more solid logistics for her to come over for the bang.

I run daygame a lot here in Los Angeles where there are tons of hot girls from all different types of backgrounds.

I have established that "I'll let you know" is a girls nice was of rejecting you, or giving you false hope that you still have a chance.

I will be shocked if you get a reply back with a confirmation as girls move onto other guys very quickly.

Also Mr Finish I am very confused on why you went on a date with an 18 year old girl without planning logistics ahead of time. There attention spans are very short so why prolong the bang.

She even told you that she wants to fuck and you had your hand on her tits and you still did not execute.

I'm holding you responsible for missing out on that easy bang. Should have at least tried to bang her in your car or something discrete. At least try to get some head on the first date so it sets up an easy sexual transition into the 2nd date.

And to top things off you text her the next day and she responds in a positive manner even asking where and when. You then sleep on her and then even respond 7 hours later.

Are you trying to run aloof game on her before you even bang her?

I'm not sure where you live but in this market if the girl you went on a date with is good looking then expect her to be banging someone else right now since you failed to execute when she bluntly told you she is down to fuck.

Things like Tinder and Social Media are giving these girls way too many options nowadays which is why I am suggesting you strike ASAP rather than run aloof game when you haven't banged the girl yet.

But who knows I could be wrong and this girl could really still want to fuck you. I wish you the best and the you finish strong Mr Finish.

(12-13-2015 03:18 PM)Mr Finish Wrote:  ...
She writes back " lol I'll let you know "
...

"I'll let you know" = "I'll never let you know" in girl speak

When this happens your best bet is to not initiate anything with her for several days or weeks. And only reinitiate once by using an invitation to meet for drinks or whatever you're into. No texting chit chat. If she ignores your invitation or waffles in any way, stop talking to her and demote her to mass text status.. or delete her number.

If she's in mass text status, send occasional pics of cool shit you're doing that she's missing out on, preferably with a funny caption. And the caption should make it obvious that it was sent to a lot of people, not just her (even if you have to fake it)

I ended up saying ok

She gets back to me, I lag a few hours and she says she has a great time and wants to see me, just after dinner. I've got things to do so we make plans for when my place is empty to chill at my place.

I'm not trying to be aloof, I was just genuinely tired from hiking + being out until 3 the previous night.

I've been approaching like a mad man so my phone is stocked and I have other girls lined up for this week and ended up bringing a Swedish set to my friends house later that night. I've been reading a lot, studying things I find interesting and started looking into coding as a possible career move.

I have a habit ( and high success rate) of the second meet bang; this is what I was shooting for.
My logistics are bad (this will change imminently) so i go hard on the first date and invite them over for wine on the second meet.

As always, thanks Savage and sfg. My in person game is on point but my text game sucks to be honest.