(07-09-2015 04:57 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  The strangest thing about Game that keeps coming back is I would think that experience means I can bend the rules more.

It doesn't. All experience does is solidify the most meticulous details so you fool yourself into thinking you aren't following an iron-bound instruction manual.

When I take enough time to think about it, I may react a little differently to a girl's text here and there.

If I want a bang I am following phrases, timing, logistics, moves and everything else with a tighter and more rigid line. It seems like less effort because variables are disappearing by my own hand.

Doing anything else is just for self entertainment. I am believing more and more strongly there is a Game for each individual guy that works best. That Game over time does not change around and expand, no - it really contracts into a steel sliver if you want the most success.

I don't know if I like this realization. The autonomy and creativity is just smoke. There is a direct path, the better you get the less words you use even shrinking the creativity fallacy even moreso.

Yeah I can tell stories.

I can try to sound intelligent and worldly.

I can try to DHV.

I could take her to a more interesting place.

This just soothes my ego (look at my Game go!), it really doesn't help me get laid.

Good post. I've noticed that in my intermediate learnings (some which still befall me), I've tried to tweak my game in directions that fit a particular girl, especially one that has DHVed enough I'd say I tricked myself into changing my formula a bit by her higher status, and its always backfired or extended the time, thus requiring extra effort to bed her. Never bend, only refine.

Yet, I know things have shifted for me recently, cementing me into the player's lifestyle more so, whether I like it or not. Girls I'm fucking (or have fucked), who put off the typical "I don't want this to be just about sex," vibe, I've taken them out, do legitimately fun things we both enjoy a few times... only for it to seem a few months in, that its all about sex for THEM. Well fair enough.

I think to myself; "God damned, I didn't want a relationship per se, but didn't mind a little company myself, and I swear it feels like this bitch is using me for sex."

Not complaining. The give away lately is I've got 3 I'm fucking at different intervals right now, and ALL 3 have a habit of thanking me for sex with them afterwards. No shit? Manners now for doing what you don't want our little relations to be all about? MMkay. This reminds me of my own contrived concept that anything a girl stops you, and makes a clear point of making about what she wants (or doesn't) early on in first month or two, the exact opposite is true. Guys say don't listen to what women say, but at those particular locate points, I'm all ears, prepared for a little reversal in the near future by playing my cards right.

Once you pick the lock...it's like deep down they know their truest value, and at some point, neither of you can deny what it is anymore. So if there's anything I've refined in my game lately which has made a big difference, it's systematically dissolving their slut defense mechanisms.

Maybe this is the final chapter for me of fully digesting every last bit of the red pill, which is sad in a way because the journey learning was enthralling. Game on the other hand (versus red pill concepts in their entirety), I'm certain I can further refine.

^ Yes the Game really does come to be about giving out an energy that you are so used to the fact that having sex will be a given with a new girl, she can feel it and putting up slut defenses for her would just feel awkward and fake because why? It isn't going to fool you. It is a waste.

If slut defenses are gone really there is no barrier to sex anymore.

I have entered this weird zone lately where I don't fear a dry spell, and don't care about getting X notches in a year anymore.

As mentioned by Krauser, he said he knows if he puts enough into the grinder he will have product. Before I knew if I put in the work to get laid I knew I could, there was anxiety if I didn't I would lose my game or have my ego hurt. I just don't care, even if I don't get laid for a year I honestly think at this point it wouldn't affect my ego. I know if I put in my best effort for a week or two I can get a decent lay.

I think this ego detachment from getting laid affect is good and shows growth, it is a strange feeling. As Roosh has written sex is now a goal of physical release more than anything else. I think the only way to get that ego rush is to pursue very high quality only.

(07-10-2015 02:19 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  As mentioned by Krauser, he said he knows if he puts enough into the grinder he will have product. Before I knew if I put in the work to get laid I knew I could, there was anxiety if I didn't I would lose my game or have my ego hurt. I just don't care, even if I don't get laid for a year I honestly think at this point it wouldn't affect my ego. I know if I put in my best effort for a week or two I can get a decent lay.

I am almost in an identical place, nearly 2 years in. I know how and where to get it, and what works and doesn't work. When I revert back to my old ways(scarcity mindset), I sound the alarms and take evasive action. I can manage myself much better, and get what I need when I need it, in the venues I have chosen. All I can do now is make a better version of myself, bring up my percentages, only approach and date only the hottest girls I encounter, and get to a point where even that will seem like trivial bullshit.

(07-10-2015 02:19 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  ^ Yes the Game really does come to be about giving out an energy that you are so used to the fact that having sex will be a given with a new girl, she can feel it and putting up slut defenses for her would just feel awkward and fake because why? It isn't going to fool you. It is a waste.

If slut defenses are gone really there is no barrier to sex anymore.

I have entered this weird zone lately where I don't fear a dry spell, and don't care about getting X notches in a year anymore.

As mentioned by Krauser, he said he knows if he puts enough into the grinder he will have product. Before I knew if I put in the work to get laid I knew I could, there was anxiety if I didn't I would lose my game or have my ego hurt. I just don't care, even if I don't get laid for a year I honestly think at this point it wouldn't affect my ego. I know if I put in my best effort for a week or two I can get a decent lay.

I think this ego detachment from getting laid affect is good and shows growth, it is a strange feeling. As Roosh has written sex is now a goal of physical release more than anything else. I think the only way to get that ego rush is to pursue very high quality only.

(07-09-2015 04:57 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  If I want a bang I am following phrases, timing, logistics, moves and everything else with a tighter and more rigid line. It seems like less effort because variables are disappearing by my own hand.

Everything becomes more simple, it's programming, occasionally boring.

Quote:That Game over time does not change around and expand, no - it really contracts into a steel sliver if you want the most success.

Nailed it, it's so true, everything seems clearer as I gamed more, less is more, it's more calculate, less is said.

Quote:I don't know if I like this realization. The autonomy and creativity is just smoke. There is a direct path, the better you get the less words you use even shrinking the creativity fallacy even moreso.

You can still get creative, but I've sat through dates thinking, jesus christ shutup, let me make my moves, let's bang, then get out.

(07-10-2015 02:19 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  I have entered this weird zone lately where I don't fear a dry spell, and don't care about getting X notches in a year anymore.

I've hit that dry spell it's been way over a month now, and no new notches. I've let go of 2 solid harem girls (caught feelings), I'll admit I do enjoy being around my main LTR more and more.

As far as my pipeline and forecasting I'm on track to beat my notch count from last year, but honestly I don't even give a shit anymore.

All my dating apps are drying up, it could be because of summer, I'd think an influx of inbound girls back from college would change this, I might do what Oregon did and go cold turkey on apps temporarily or permanently.

Quote:I just don't care, even if I don't get laid for a year I honestly think at this point it wouldn't affect my ego. I know if I put in my best effort for a week or two I can get a decent lay.

Maybe your ego has been satiated since you've banged some top notch girls, maybe you're just over it and in a slump, or maybe you've seen that there are way more things than just getting notches, like the side project you told me about.

To me I feel like I have some making up to do with the last few notches, my goal is to only pursue young hot girls, nothing else.

However, at the moment I honestly could care less, I even stopped attempting to text girls I recently got new numbers and 1 2nd date.

Quote: I think this ego detachment from getting laid affect is good and shows growth, it is a strange feeling. As Roosh has written sex is now a goal of physical release more than anything else. I think the only way to get that ego rush is to pursue very high quality only.

I agree with this 100% this time last year I wouldn't even think of looking at my number leads and girls I bang and say "whatever, cool"

Yeah it's all quality now, but I still think the tools shouldn't go dull and be sharpened from time to time.

Another thing I'd like to add is that my latest notch that happened yesterday morning was a residual from Tinder that I matched with a few months back. I've still been off all dating apps and I really haven't missed it much. In fact when I was getting ready for my date I was dreading the fact that I had to go meet someone and put on a show so to speak. It was in that moment that I finally realized what I hate so much about online dating. It's the "blind date" aspect of it. I know there's photos and sometimes phone conversations but we're still blind to how they really look, that very moment in person, and their vibe. I've come to dread that feeling right before I meet with someone from online.

On the other hand, while I'm not setting the world on fire like Gio with my daygame, I'm discovering the joy in paying attention to the women around me when I go to the mall, go to Target, go to Starbucks and so on. Even if I only make a witty situational comment to a woman who I'm truly attracted to and she laughs and smiles at me, it's so much more satisfying than meeting some faceless internet girl, being mildly disappointed in how she is in person and then deciding to salvage the situation and get the bang anyway.

(07-10-2015 12:32 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  it's so much more satisfying than meeting some faceless internet girl[/b][/i], being mildly disappointed in how she is in person and then deciding to salvage the situation and get the bang anyway.

nailed it, online is a slog, the alternative is living

^^ Re. quality over quantity. I currently have another I'm about to add to the group, and I'm asking myself if it's really worth it. She's a 7.5. great body, but the other 3 are in the 6.5-7 range. I think the only way to advance the accomplishments game brings is simply shoot for quality.

I wonder if I've subconsciously created this blanket of girls since I let a legitimate 9 slip through my hands last month. So I supposed my reversion back to quantity could be an ego play I'm awaking myself to as I'm writing this. I'm getting to the point where too many people at the gym, bars, club, and public places are treating me like a player and I don't like that. It can work against you just as well as for you when you're shooting for quality. I like to run "incognito" by default.

Like Vaun alluded to above, when I'm nailing 8s+ with regularity and it seems trivial, my game journey is over and the skill set is complete, yet forever accessible.

Fuck. This thread makes me doubt the existence of truly loyal girls.

Very interesting stuff right here at the moment. I'm just new to game and didn't even approach yet, so all my notches are through dating apps. Needless to say I'm more a quantity guy at this point unless the quality is really poor, obviously.

Would be really interesting to at some point reach the level of Game you guys are at right now (ofc my goal is to go up and over your skillset ) and see what this does to me, my mindset and my complete behaviour towards willing girls whom don't reach a certain level of quality.

Going to add the post that started this discussion in my notes here and make sure to check it every once in a while to compare when I stand towards all of this.

(07-10-2015 04:23 PM)STriple-R Wrote:  Very interesting stuff right here at the moment. I'm just new to game and didn't even approach yet, so all my notches are through dating apps. Needless to say I'm more a quantity guy at this point unless the quality is really poor, obviously.

Would be really interesting to at some point reach the level of Game you guys are at right now (ofc my goal is to go up and over your skillset ) and see what this does with me, my mindset and my complete behaviour towards willing girls whom don't reach a certain level of quality.

Going to add the post that started this discussion in my notes here and make sure to check it every once in a while to compare when I stand towards all of this.

Welcome to the forum and I for one do not consider myself advanced at game in the least. In fact it feels as though the more I learn the more I realize how little I know.

For what it's worth my advice to you is to go for quantity if you feel your experience with women and/or your confidence is low. Regardless of what anyone says to the contrary, if you're banging 20+ new women a year and they're only 4-6's your confidence WILL improve. Granted you'll still get nervous and outcome dependent when you land the 8+ but you'll still be in way better shape than some guy who's banged 3-4 women in their entire life.

Confidence is growing every week. I read a lot of 'hate' towards online game and no doubt there's some truth in those bashing posts. But for me, at this point, online game is my main source for getting pussy. For me personally it works suprisingly well allthough my text game isn't even close to the quality I often read at this forum. For once I'm feeling better about myself because I'm able to pull. For once I don't feel ugly (this isn't attention whoring) but I'm starting to think I'm propably just average and only improving my appearance by working out and taking more care of myself.

I'm getting exited about starting approaching the week after next week because then I've finally got time on my hands and propably sorted out some personal shit. Reading this forum, all the story's it's members post and the willingness to help with tips, tricks and other info really amps me up. So a big thank you to all you guys contributing and helping guys like me find the light that guids us out of this depressing tunnel.

At the moment every notch for me is a notch. Ofcourse I've got some requirements but they aren't high. Can't expect to get paid tons for flipping burgers at McDonalds right? So I don't expect to pull 8's when not working hard enough. My goal for august, 1 new notch every week, at the least.

I'll stop polluting this thread now, I shouldn't be posting here yet but I've escaped from the Newbie Forum for a few minutes

Anybody in NYC trying to hit the town tonight?

I was trying to get someone to come out w/ me, but I'm just going to have to man the fuck up and hit the town.

Went clubbing last night, 1am outside he club, opened an austrilian chick, we walk around for abit by the river, she wants to go back to her friends, I tell her to stay and he sprints off. I lift her up carry her back, spin her around and we make out.

We go back to the club and her friends are there. They chastise her for going missing, she introduces me and I tell them that I hope they didn't call the police. I get her number and tell her Ill come look for her later.

Never saw her again and I realized she gave me her Australian number and also that she lied about not having a local number.

In hindsight should have fucked her in the toiled before she went back to her friends and after she went back to friends, I
Should have invited them to my friends.
Fuck.

Go back into he club it's a massive sausage fest. We leave the club and open 2 Korean chicks. 5 and 8. I ask if they're ready to leave. They ask where, I say to have fun.

Cab to my friends, room is set up with candles, ice, orange juice and vodka.

Now my friends a virgin so I wanted to get him laid. The plan was to divide and conquer. The 5 will stay in the lounge with me while the 8 goes with my friend.

We played some games and almost the whole bottle is downed.

Ten the 8 starts getting calls from her drunk younger brother. This goes on for awhile.

She says she has to go take her brother home.
. I did point it out to her "do you realize how embarrassing it would be for him? To have big sister babysit"
She insists on going so I say ok sure, well drive you there. The Maserati is fast don't worry. We stall her for a good 20 mins.

So she downs the rest of the vodka and at this point in time my head is spinning; her friend is passed out, my friend is still ok.

I'm amazed at how high her alcohol tolerance is. She couldn't have weighed more than 40 kg and she didn't flush or show signs of inebreration.

My friend steps out for awhile. The 8 ends up on my lap, he walks in and I put the 8 into his arms.

He comes out in 10 mins and tells me in Chinese she told him that she doesn't do this and he didnt want to be accused of rape.

What a terrible night!

^^

You allowed too much alcohol to be drunk. I think once you had them at a private venue, you should have gone for the bang after 2-3 drinks.

You've probably figured that yourself by now anyway. Better luck next time brother.

Well I'm bummed about fucking up with the Australian girl.

What do you mean by allowing too much alcohol to be drunk, though? Are you saying that the level of inebreration or lack thereof is not a factor to be considered, and as such, more escalation less drinking?

(07-10-2015 04:32 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 04:23 PM)STriple-R Wrote:  Very interesting stuff right here at the moment. I'm just new to game and didn't even approach yet, so all my notches are through dating apps. Needless to say I'm more a quantity guy at this point unless the quality is really poor, obviously.

Would be really interesting to at some point reach the level of Game you guys are at right now (ofc my goal is to go up and over your skillset ) and see what this does with me, my mindset and my complete behaviour towards willing girls whom don't reach a certain level of quality.

Going to add the post that started this discussion in my notes here and make sure to check it every once in a while to compare when I stand towards all of this.

For what it's worth my advice to you is to go for quantity if you feel your experience with women and/or your confidence is low. Regardless of what anyone says to the contrary, if you're banging 20+ new women a year and they're only 4-6's your confidence WILL improve. Granted you'll still get nervous and outcome dependent when you land the 8+ but you'll still be in way better shape than some guy who's banged 3-4 women in their entire life.

^^^^ this and you should realize many of these universal truths about woman exist on every level with the 1-10 ratings scale. Once you realize that, no matter what type of woman you are with, you will know how to act in general. That baseline knowledge really opens your eyes, and once you get more comfortable in your skin and audacious, you will realize you need to be approaching regularly exactly the types of woman you want.

I threw a party at my house about a month ago. Chatted up this Italian chick at the party but then we did not really kept in touch. I have her on facebook. Last night I met her briefly at the club and was surprised that she did not recognise me. Could not isolate her as she was constantly with her Italian guy friends (not sure if they are gay but they definitely act gay).

This morning I teased her on facebook and told her she has to buy me a drink next week because she did not recognise me. She replied:

`Next week I'll be in Italy for 5 days!?? but when I'll came back of course, we'll have some drinks all together!'

Now this makes it sound as if she wants her friends to join us for drinks. Should I just ignore this and make it clear that it should be just the two of us? Not sure if this is a polite rejection or she's just playing hard to get.

(07-07-2015 08:20 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 06:20 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  The freakiest chick I've ever been with is back in town today. She will let me do anything to her and is a complete submissive.

Ideas?

Do everything you've ever wanted and then some things you don't even know if you like. Forced deepthroat, uncomfortable bondage, hogtie, bang all 3 holes, spitting, golden shower, public sex, make her degrade herself verbally and physically, slap her if she's not instantly responsive, write on her, take photos of everything.

My deepest sub always begs me to take photos of her 'after', makeup running, face full of cum, red marks all over. I haven't found her limits yet.

Try this..Before you fuck her go down on her with great care and gentleness..flip her her doggy style, both hands hold tightly round her ass and slowly arch her hips..gently tongue her puss again..than rim her ass slowly. Just before you fuck her, bury your tongue as deeply as possible in her ass. Afterward, when you are kissing and saying good bye, while she has a huge smile on her face, whisper in her ear...You regret only one thing. She'll ask you, what is that you regret? You say, because your ass is so perfect you wish you could've buried your tongue deeper in her ass. Guess what.. you'll be forever etched in the sexual portion of her brain for life

I've matured a lot since I joined this forum 2 years ago, I'm 18 now with more girls than I know what to do with. I've learned a lot from the members of this forum, I couldn't imagine not finding it. I've reached the point where I approach girls subconsciously and friends look at me freaked out, asking if I knew her.

Really the world is simple. You find the place you want, identify the easiest way there and work hard to arrive.

Hate giving out good advice to trolls

WIA

Last night got a girl to drive 1:15 minutes to my house to give me a top 5 world class sloppiest/best blowjobs I've ever had and I didn't even want to fuck her after (I already did a previous time before), she even took her pants off

In other news my main is taking me out to get fitted for some new threads, stoked !

Life ain't so bad.

(07-13-2015 03:09 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Hate giving out good advice to trolls

WIA

Upside is someone who could be in the same situation could read your advice and take it. Also, doesn't have to post it on the forum.