(07-05-2015 12:12 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  I'm still new in the game. Should I game girls below 6s for practice?

Simple, game those that pass your boner test. There's something to be said about gaming the most beautiful women you see but at the same time if a girl who's only a 6 has that something about her that really gets you going, by all means go for it.

Minor rant plus happy ending....

To begin fuck American chicks. Such banal entitled attitudes who really have nothing of value to say. ROlled to a bar solo to go play some pool and invite people to my table, basic bitch central like any 2nd or 3rd tier American city.

Then out of nowhere an African delegation of 20 or so post grads from all over Africa rolls in, all with such impressive resumes... started their own organizations, journalists in their own countries, elected officials! all here putting the rest of the bar to shame....

Needless to say hanging out with them all night really picked up my spirits.... PLUS the flawless skin of African chicks.... GOOOD GOD, its effortless for them. so fly with no effort... THis chick from Cabo Verde, holy shit, near thunder bolt ala Michael Corleone in Sicily... I'm chilling with them all again, gotta try and make headway with her.. Cabo Verde next Poosy Paradise maybe???

Pinged another lead today, asking what's going on this weekend. After mentioning she mentioned smoking with friends, I used a bit of emoji text game to propose a meet. Said "Idk yet", which is fine. I sent something funny about not being an alien or whatever. This is one of the attention seekers. If you're not offering her anything, she's likely not all that much interested. I've yet to meet this girl (18 yr old, kinky stoner) but I'm not deleting her number just yet.

As far as my online leads go, just matched with a German chick, that I'm going to try moving offline soon. The apps are really starting to bore me. I guess I'm not getting in enough cold approaches as of late. Still kinda in a funk about my date from Tuesday, I'd really like to redeem myself. Its like failing a test and not being able to take it over after you have all of the right answers.

So updates about the chick from this post http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-24128-...pid1054644 . I finally go a rematch 2 days ago. After some back and forth texting over the week I finally got her to come over to my place.

Just before she came over she sent me a text saying there won't be any sexing or touching, that she only wants to spend the afternoon with me. I thought to my self that this bitch must be out of her mind. I countered saying she should do whatever she saw fit, I wasn't gonna play games cause we're both adults and that she should know by now that sex isn't a big deal for me and that if it happens it happens and I wasn't gonna force it. She thanked me for being frank and said she would see me in a bit. Stupid shit test.. lol.

She comes over and we chill for a bit, we try to watch a movie but I couldn't concentrate. I knew I had to escalate like a mawfucka and I assumed I wouldn't see her again after that day. So I start kissing her and she's smiling. Go for the titties and alls good. I'm thinking okay not bad then as soon as I go for the jeans she stops me saying she already told me. I say nothing and go back to watching the movie. I restart the process soon and she stops me again and again and again and again. Finally i manage to slip into her pants and play with her soaking wet pussy, I fingered her for a bit but she was adamant about not having sex. I pull out my dick and she strokes but won't blow me saying she barely know's me. This babe must be toying with me I think. Then she says she has to use the bathroom just as things start heating up and Im like



She comes back fully clothed and proceeds to tell me how she just got out of a 3 year LTR just 2 weeks before and didn't wanna rush into anything. She tells all these stories about her beta ex and shit. I mainly zone her out and just nod and tell her I get it. We lay for a bit and shoot the shit then I slip my hands into her pants from behind trying to find her pussy and here's where things get crazy I slip a finger into her asshole instead and she loves it. She gets up and pulls down her pants to her knees and says I can finger her but I shouldn't fuck her. I say cool thinking once I start I'll be able to fuck her easily. I finger her crazy both in the ass and pussy. At one point I had 2 fingers in both holes simultaneously and everytime I tried to convert that to my dick she shuts me down. I put on a condom and she hungrily blows me. She blows my like a pornstar till I come and she left me feeling like

Well, I wash up and we both leave cuz I had to get to work but I think I'll still have over one more time just for the fun of it and because I feel like I've put in too much work. Bitches be crazy fellas.

(07-04-2015 04:05 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 11:38 AM)s3k Wrote:  Good shit Wia. After time you can almost notice weather your in with a chick from the monent you meet them. Example, I was in walmart yesturday and after a bot of small talk I introduced myself and shook her hand. Nah not a regular shake was holding her hand for a good 15 secs while talking to her. From the 15 sec hand shake I knew I was in. She actually opened up more during it as well by smiling more. We supposed to chill tonight so we'll see but pretty sure i'm right.

The lingering handshake is SO UNDERRATED.
- Turning her palm 90 degrees so that her hand is in your hand.
- holding one of hers with both of yours
- tracing the vein in her wrist just up her arm a bit

You saying more about your power and your sexual intent than any clever improvised line.

I know I have a lot of love for the "Jedi Mind Tricks" aspect of the game, but I know a lot of people don't really fucks with that though.

But, if a cat were to focus on the micro picture for a second, and really pay attention to his interactions with chicks -
- he'd see SEX everywhere, sometimes be a little disgusted by it. (like no, not you Bertha...)
- He wouldn't need to put so much emphasis on the external.

Good game is very very basic, it gets back to who we are as animals, as people, as oxygen breathers. I am a man, you are a woman. Everything else is just window dressing.

For a second, you can uncover that very essential nature.

I love reading the Travel board and seeing how guys hook up with chicks that dont' speak english well. Everyone should read that Linux/Colombia thread as well as the Clean Slate/Philippines thread. Their experiences with chicks that don't speak English can improve anyone's game if they read them right.

We don't have the same culture, know the same words, but I know you want me and I want you. Let's find a place together, get cozy and really get to know each other.

I listened to a bit of S3k and WIA advice today. After losing pretty badly yesterday, I woke up still upset. Cleared my hangover, realized I got a good nights sleep, was full of energy (unlike yesterday) and was damn horny. I had a couple of online prospects that I had iced for probably almost 2 months. I'm not a big fan of online, it feels like I'm not advancing my game, but it's not totally true nor totally false.

I sent out a message to 3 different girls here in a 2/3rd tier chinese city I'm staying at over the weekend. I chanced a new hotel outside my normal and scored big, logistics are phenomal with bars, a decent "club" (chinese club not quite american club) restos and shopping literally right outside. Very nice, brand new construction. Lots of people. Fucking. Legs. Ass. Titties. Everywhere.

I digress.

I booked a date after messaging 3 girls and almost double booking. I threw another one back on ice.

I wanted to test out my logistics so I pitched her lunch at the VERY close italian spot, and I told her bring a swimsuit. I have a nice pool we can visit since it's so hot out it will be refreshing. See, the pool is in my hotel, and the plausable deniability is just too easy at that point. "I want to shower and get the pool water off me/change/dry hump a rabbit". I was literally patting myself on the back.

Bitch can't swim. Dafaq. But she agrees to lunch at 1.30. Not a total loss.

1.25, cancelled. "it is too hot" (legit excuse in southern china, 75-80% humidity and low 90's temp).

Fuck that. I throw my Tim Tebow hail mary out there since I'm horny and a little frustrated at this prospect.

"Come here and watch a movie with me then, it's inside and we have a glass of wine" I was careful not to say the words "Hotel, room."

"where is here" Fuck.

"My hotel silly" Obvious blow out incoming. However, this HAS worked for me once so far.

"Ummmm if I want to watch movie I will go to cinema". So now I have just disqualified myself from inviting her back to the hotel under any and all circumstances. Fuck it I'll go to the movies. All the movies are chinese. Fuck it. She throws Starbucks out as an option. Bitch why didn't you just come to lunch to begin with.

"Ok". I have nothing else to do and it's good practice. I decide to practice and use nonverbal.

Met her at the Buck. She's quite cute, fit, and honestly I really like these demure chicks. I have been punching under weight since I started game but I really enjoy some of these less entitled but still very cute broads. Even before game I did. These girls have good pussy 9/10 times and a lot of them have undercover bodies.

Couple things old me would have not done that I am noting as improvements.

Let her pay, said thanks but didn't make a big deal.

Shook her hand, held it, turned it 90 degress, smiled and looked in her eyes. (nods to wia)

Looked for a spot to chill, place was a little crowded. Two options.

Clean table, opposite seating.

Low bar with arm chairs, adjacent seating but someone left empty cups.
I walked towards the table, stopped, turned around and said "lets sit here".

Cleared the cups, at the same time as I sat down I pulled my chair closer and angled to hers.

Focused on sitting up straight and not slouching. Focused on not leaning in. I could have looked more aloof but would have been out of kino range. I may have been a little stiff, however, my posture has been a weak point and I wanted to focus on being upright.

Halfway through the date, I realized I was building unneeded comfort. I already validated her (She said she was glad we matched because she wants to practice english, I gave her a look and said I thought you picked me because I am handsome. Of course she quickly replied I am very handsome. I have been pushing girls to tell me this lately in China because sometimes the line between friend and romantic interest are blurred. I told her its ok, I know what she means)
So I had been dropping romantic tibits here and there. Making fun of her calling herself fat (My new favorite line for this: You're not fat. Trust me, I'm american. I know fat.) But I start to give her piercing eye contact. I let my mind wander and devour her features. Her skin is flawless smooth, I start obviously glancing at her exposed legs (she has a dress on). I undress her in my mind a little bit. I maintain solid eye contact even after we stop talking, and she holds it, I smile, then start to chuckle and she laughs too. She doesn't ask why, she knows why. As Im holding eye contact with her I think to myself how badly I want to fuck her, dominate her. This comes out in my facial expressions as a smug smile, mixed with the checking out of her body. I start to feel a stiffy coming up in skinny chinos. Baseball, baseball, baseball.

She reciprocates my kino, overall she actually touched me more than I touched her. I'm pretty sure she didn't even realize it. Legs were pointed somewhat towards me, definitely not away.

Eventually she tells me she has to go meet a friend and do some shopping or some shit. I walk her out, tell her I walk with her a little bit (to get away from prying else to a more private place), she pops her umbrella to shield the sun, as most chinese women will do to prevent from getting darker. Here's where I started to lose it.

It was nice to meet you, blah blah. Because she was holding her umbrella, I guess it felt necessary to ask for if I can hug (I cringed writing it the same as you did reading it, don't worry) of course she said yes, so I hug her, let it linger, and pulling away I give her a slow kiss on the cheek. Yup. I would not be doing this in the wetern hemisphere, or in philippines, or thailand. China 2nd tier and below, I haven't quite figured out PDAs. It depends on the girl, but it feels much more tame here and I'm not sure if it will scare the cat or not. Plus I may draw unwanted attention. I have already almost got into a fight at the club for less than this with some chinese guys. So far it has not hurt me that I know for leaving a little to be desired at the end of day 1. It's not solid game, especially not in the west, but I'm both new at game and still making mistakes and wary of this country. I also may make her look like a whore.

All in all, there's still work to be done, and still much to learn, but it's baby steps in the right direction.

Funny thing about game is I compared I used to compare game to weight lifting. It took me maybe 1.5 years to feel comfortable, and the 2-3 to be proficient and slightly above average. However when you fail lifting weights, you can always drop the weight and still lift.

When you fail at game, you don't fuck. You can't fuck a little less, you just fuck or you don't fuck. This is what makes the rejection very difficult. It is UTTER rejection, not partial. It's not hey I'll get 225 next week. With game, the gym might be closed next week, and the week after, and maybe even the week after that. Hell the gym might even turn into a wal-mart.

Thats why you need more than 1 membership.

Damn I like to write.

(07-05-2015 12:12 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  I'm still new in the game. Should I game girls below 6s for practice?

As a banned member once said,

If all you bang is 6's and below, you're not a player, you're a dog catcher.

Talk to any girl that you find attractive, but make sure that you talk to girls that you find VERY attractive.

You'll make the basic discovery that there's no correlation to her looks, her personality, and how she connects with you.

WIA

Nice write-up Jetlagged. I love writing too man, it gives you a chance to relive the process in great detail. We all could hope for 2nd chances, I guess its all about just leaving a good enough impression, where the girl would like to see you again. I guess that would come from giving them unique memorable experience.

Just got home from a weekend in one of Swedens bigger cities. Spent it with the girl I met a few weeks ago.

Perfect weekend in every respect. Great weather, sights and food. Met a few of her friends at a party, interesting and cool people. Got to show her my creative side when I played a few of my fingerstyle songs on her guitar. HUGE DHV...

Got to know her a bit more as well. Same values, dreams and ambitions in life as me. She told me she's never had another guy stay a weekend with her. Don't know how to interpret that - potential red flag? I don't think she's been in a real LTR and she's 22, don't know for sure though.

Despite that, I see myself falling hard for this girl. Realizing she could be a legit dime piece. We made plans to visit a beautiful national park outside her city when we parted ways, and she told me I'm very welcome back.

Got blown out again by a chick for being too short. Same story as last time, first date goes well but when I go for the second date I get the "you're cool and funny but I want to date someone taller".
I've tried "I didn't think you were the insecure type, I don't care about height, blah blah" but it hasn't worked on either occasion.
Should I just charge this to the game and move on or is there a way to handle this situation?

I don't have the logistics for ZDB or FDB so I'm using a kind of 2-date-bang strategy which means I don't escalate a lot on the first date so as not to activate ASD about coming to my place for date 2.

(07-06-2015 02:56 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Got blown out again by a chick for being too short. Same story as last time, first date goes well but when I go for the second date I get the "you're cool and funny but I want to date someone taller".

- You're cool and funny but I want to date someone taller.
- I didn't know you were THAT shallow.

An attack often can be an excellent defense.

(07-06-2015 02:56 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Got blown out again by a chick for being too short. Same story as last time, first date goes well but when I go for the second date I get the "you're cool and funny but I want to date someone taller".
I've tried "I didn't think you were the insecure type, I don't care about height, blah blah" but it hasn't worked on either occasion.
Should I just charge this to the game and move on or is there a way to handle this situation?

I don't have the logistics for ZDB or FDB so I'm using a kind of 2-date-bang strategy which means I don't escalate a lot on the first date so as not to activate ASD about coming to my place for date 2.

As far as not having the logistics, can this be changed?

Its clear bitches are into tall guys. I'm 5'10 and I wear boots with thick insoles to get me over the 6' range because humans on a deep level like height.

What I'm saying is: What can you change? Height is hard, maybe can get 2-3 inches with boots and thick gel insoles. I usually buy shoes 2 sizes too large as well, so they fit better with the big insoles. I think women also like guys with big feet. So I can change that a little, but not much.

But logistics you can change, though it might be a hassle, its possible to change. While height can not.

I'm bald. At best I do the tough guy look as I exercise all the time, but my genetics are terrible for gaining, Im probably 175 at my biggest, even with GOMAD I just get fatter, my muscles don't get much bigger, like a lb a month of muscle gain BS, the rest goes to my stomach. So I can't change being bald and or being 6' in big boots or being larger than 175 unless I start taking steroids. That's what I've got that's I cant change.

I can make my logistics work well. I live next to a beautiful park that is known in the city and girls like to go there. My apartment is TINY. But its a good location. Go to park, walk around, oh its a bit hot, lets get some ice cream and relax at my place, I have some juice, then I put my arm out for her to take and we walk to my place.

Change what can be changed. Here, height can't be. Maybe get bigger muscles if possible? Better logistics, even if the apartment is tiny, at least its just you. A tiny apartment is nice because my big sofa, is actually directly next to my bed and its at the same level, so I can roll a girl from the sofa to my bed.

Edit, add more.

So the reason I so talk about what can you change: Better logistics can lead to better game. Maybe the girl is into you, she has some drinks at your place and you have sex. If you give her a week to "think", in this case, by not having a First Date Bang opportunity, its much harder. Some of those girls that said you aren't tall enough, if you had better logistics might have been sex. If the sex was good enough or they had fun, it might continue.

So look to what can change, because changing the minds of millions of girls who like tall guys is going to be hard. Much easier to get an apartment, tiny if need be, or bad looking, which can always be painted or put up some nice pictures.

Jetlagged - this was a great date for the knowledge alone. She probably came up with some excuse to leave because the kino wasn't esculated. You did a good job just needed to esculate a bit faster. The question game would have worked wonders if your last question was "do you want to kiss me"? She most def. Would have said yes since she was feeling your kino and giggling looking at you. (Look up the question game). Good job with the handdhake, like WIA said, it's underated and hes spot on. Game takes practice. I always approach/date with the same mindset, looking for that sliver of a crack to touch her/kino. If you read linux's travel write-up in columbia, he didnt even speak there language and was killin it! Kino > than your words.

Just got a booty call from ages ago. Went out with this girl in May , heavy make out and lots of back and forth over texting. I left the country due to my job, came back forgot about her. Just received a text saying grab a bottle of wine and come over. Nice!

(07-06-2015 02:56 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Got blown out again by a chick for being too short. Same story as last time, first date goes well but when I go for the second date I get the "you're cool and funny but I want to date someone taller".
I've tried "I didn't think you were the insecure type, I don't care about height, blah blah" but it hasn't worked on either occasion.
Should I just charge this to the game and move on or is there a way to handle this situation?

I don't have the logistics for ZDB or FDB so I'm using a kind of 2-date-bang strategy which means I don't escalate a lot on the first date so as not to activate ASD about coming to my place for date 2.

Roardog, at 5 ft4 I understand exactly how annoying this could be, but you can not let height even enter your consciousness. Im short AND Asian to boot, yet I pull way better than most tall lanky white dudes here in Paris, and with white girls. Funny enough when I walk around with a hot chick its always the tall dudes who give me the nod and eye-high five.


I don’t think there’s anything to do about the situation if a girl ever says stupid shit like that. A girl saying that IMO is the lowest trash and isn’t worth the effort. That and I frankly haven’t really seen anyone turned such a situation around anyway. So you are wasting your time. Bitches be saying that, laugh hard in her face, tell her “didn’t know you were the shallow type. Thanks for the redflag glad Im not wasting more of my time” then get up and leave. There's nothing to salvage in that situation given an above average game.

I think there’s a deeper issue here too. If you are constantly running into girls like this there’s a problem in screening/demographics. As short guys we don’t do as well as taller guys in cold approach or night game, so play up your niche game and social circle game. No girl cares about height if you are sweeping her feet on the dance floor. Or at cooking class. Or wooping ass in martial art.

Change your venues if you have to, but I realize that as a shorter guys being aggressive and really play the ZDB or FDB totally up my close rate. Its very easy to waste time going on dates with girls only to get in the “Im just not feeling it” talk.

Also, remove that “I don’t escalate to avoid ASD” mentality. For each interaction you must push it as far as it can go. You are talking as if you think you will get a second date, that’s presumptious given how ADHD girls are today.

I know another short player here and he too runs aggressive screening for yes girls game. Girls often expect short guys to be shy so upping your offense often creates a nice surprise.

I assume you already did your best with your appearance (gym, style and hair). This is paramount.

(07-06-2015 10:40 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 02:56 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Got blown out again by a chick for being too short. Same story as last time, first date goes well but when I go for the second date I get the "you're cool and funny but I want to date someone taller".
I've tried "I didn't think you were the insecure type, I don't care about height, blah blah" but it hasn't worked on either occasion.
Should I just charge this to the game and move on or is there a way to handle this situation?

I don't have the logistics for ZDB or FDB so I'm using a kind of 2-date-bang strategy which means I don't escalate a lot on the first date so as not to activate ASD about coming to my place for date 2.

Roardog, at 5 ft4 I understand exactly how annoying this could be, but you can not let height even enter your consciousness. Im short AND Asian to boot, yet I pull way better than most tall lanky white dudes here in Paris, and with white girls. Funny enough when I walk around with a hot chick its always the tall dudes who give me the nod and eye-high five.


I don’t think there’s anything to do about the situation if a girl ever says stupid shit like that. A girl saying that IMO is the lowest trash and isn’t worth the effort. That and I frankly haven’t really seen anyone turned such a situation around anyway. So you are wasting your time. Bitches be saying that, laugh hard in her face, tell her “didn’t know you were the shallow type. Thanks for the redflag glad Im not wasting more of my time” then get up and leave. There's nothing to salvage in that situation given an above average game.

I think there’s a deeper issue here too. If you are constantly running into girls like this there’s a problem in screening/demographics. As short guys we don’t do as well as taller guys in cold approach or night game, so play up your niche game and social circle game. No girl cares about height if you are sweeping her feet on the dance floor. Or at cooking class. Or wooping ass in martial art.

Change your venues if you have to, but I realize that as a shorter guys being aggressive and really play the ZDB or FDB totally up my close rate. Its very easy to waste time going on dates with girls only to get in the “Im just not feeling it” talk.

Also, remove that “I don’t escalate to avoid ASD” mentality. For each interaction you must push it as far as it can go. You are talking as if you think you will get a second date, that’s presumptious given how ADHD girls are today.

I know another short player here and he too runs aggressive screening for yes girls game. Girls often expect short guys to be shy so upping your offense often creates a nice surprise.

I assume you already did your best with your appearance (gym, style and hair). This is paramount.

(07-06-2015 10:40 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  You cannot let height even enter your consciousness. Im short AND Asian to boot, yet I pull way better than most tall lanky white dudes here in Paris, and with white girls.

This needs to be your signature. +1 Repped

I've finally set a schedule for going out and it helped me immensely in not slacking off and keeping the momentum going. Considering I'm coming back from some time off I'm really happy with the progress, and these are the 2 things I learned this past week:

1. Below average girls really aren't worth your effort.
Maybe it sounds common sense and it probably is, but I decided I'm not really at a point of my game where I can't be picky and I want to see what's it like to game slightly chubbier girls. My conclusion is that they're just not worth it: they're not easier than the 6's+, they require just as much effort if not more and what's more the risk is bigger. I find that they play more games, are crazier - there's a reason why they can't stop eating - and will reject you more harshly just to feel better about themselves. What's worse is that they take just as much time to game and investing time in them is a mistake when you have better looking leads.

2. Game has a steep learning curve because we always get imperfect feedback
If a girl loses interest, drops out or it simply never hooks we can never really know why. Not only because of the obvious - girls don't put a disclaimer of why they're rejecting you, but also because they themselves don't really know. They might rationalize it like: "We just don't have chemistry" or "I like guys with green eyes", but that's of no real help.

This week I'm approaching only 6's+ and I'm gonna try a more aggressive game combined with a more DHV backstory. Let's see how this goes.

(07-06-2015 06:13 PM)Don Wrote:  I've finally set a schedule for going out and it helped me immensely in not slacking off and keeping the momentum going. Considering I'm coming back from some time off I'm really happy with the progress, and these are the 2 things I learned this past week:

1. Below average girls really aren't worth your effort.
Maybe it sounds common sense and it probably is, but I decided I'm not really at a point of my game where I can't be picky and I want to see what's it like to game slightly chubbier girls. My conclusion is that they're just not worth it: they're not easier than the 6's+, they require just as much effort if not more and what's more the risk is bigger. I find that they play more games, are crazier - there's a reason why they can't stop eating - and will reject you more harshly just to feel better about themselves. What's worse is that they take just as much time to game and investing time in them is a mistake when you have better looking leads.

2. Game has a steep learning curve because we always get imperfect feedback
If a girl loses interest, drops out or it simply never hooks we can never really know why. Not only because of the obvious - girls don't put a disclaimer of why they're rejecting you, but also because they themselves don't really know. They might rationalize it like: "We just don't have chemistry" or "I like guys with green eyes", but that's of no real help.

This week I'm approaching only 6's+ and I'm gonna try a more aggressive game combined with a more DHV backstory. Let's see how this goes.

Your first point is kind of moot if you are talking time as you can always double book girls and cancel on the uglier one. I'm a firm believer in quality>quantity but time/effort shouldn't be a reason for it.

(07-06-2015 10:40 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 02:56 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Got blown out again by a chick for being too short. Same story as last time, first date goes well but when I go for the second date I get the "you're cool and funny but I want to date someone taller".
I've tried "I didn't think you were the insecure type, I don't care about height, blah blah" but it hasn't worked on either occasion.
Should I just charge this to the game and move on or is there a way to handle this situation?

I don't have the logistics for ZDB or FDB so I'm using a kind of 2-date-bang strategy which means I don't escalate a lot on the first date so as not to activate ASD about coming to my place for date 2.

Roardog, at 5 ft4 I understand exactly how annoying this could be, but you can not let height even enter your consciousness. Im short AND Asian to boot, yet I pull way better than most tall lanky white dudes here in Paris, and with white girls. Funny enough when I walk around with a hot chick its always the tall dudes who give me the nod and eye-high five.

I'm 5'5" so it's nice to see another short player out there doing well. My height is not something that I ever really think about day to day and people always tell me they forget I'm short because of my confidence. However, the exception to this has been when it comes to girls as I'm aware that girls have a strong preference for guys taller than them. It's why I've never really been big on cold approach night game. Social circle night game on the other hand I do reasonably well at and was how I met all my ex gf's.
When I first swallowed the red pill 10 months ago I would get nervous going into almost every date wondering if the girl was going to be taller than me. I have worked on this a lot over the last 10 months and am at the point now where I no longer have these thoughts going into dates and I don't care if the girl is taller than me when I meet her.
I also screen for obviously tall girls.

(07-06-2015 10:40 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I don’t think there’s anything to do about the situation if a girl ever says stupid shit like that. A girl saying that IMO is the lowest trash and isn’t worth the effort. That and I frankly haven’t really seen anyone turned such a situation around anyway. So you are wasting your time. Bitches be saying that, laugh hard in her face, tell her “didn’t know you were the shallow type. Thanks for the redflag glad Im not wasting more of my time” then get up and leave. There's nothing to salvage in that situation given an above average game.

This is the crux of my question, can you save this situation?
I tend to agree with you, once the girl has come to this conclusion you're past the point of no return. I just wondered if other players had a different view and had managed to rescue the situation.

(07-06-2015 10:40 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I think there’s a deeper issue here too. If you are constantly running into girls like this there’s a problem in screening/demographics. As short guys we don’t do as well as taller guys in cold approach or night game, so play up your niche game and social circle game. No girl cares about height if you are sweeping her feet on the dance floor. Or at cooking class. Or wooping ass in martial art.

To be clear and put this into perspective, of the 33 girls I have been on a date with in the past 10 months, I have had this happen only twice.
So it's not a regular occurrence, at least the girls coming right out and saying it anyway.
I mainly do online game as my social circle is all coupled up, with a bit of day and night game thrown in where I can.

(07-06-2015 10:40 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Change your venues if you have to, but I realize that as a shorter guys being aggressive and really play the ZDB or FDB totally up my close rate. Its very easy to waste time going on dates with girls only to get in the “Im just not feeling it” talk.

Also, remove that “I don’t escalate to avoid ASD” mentality. For each interaction you must push it as far as it can go. You are talking as if you think you will get a second date, that’s presumptious given how ADHD girls are today.

I know another short player here and he too runs aggressive screening for yes girls game. Girls often expect short guys to be shy so upping your offense often creates a nice surprise.

I have to disagree with you here. My experience has been that if I escalate a date to say a heavy make out or fingering a girl but don't get the bang then I will never see her again. I have found that if I just kino and kiss close my 2nd date rate is over 75% and I don't get ASD about coming to my place for date 2.

However I agree that my hit rate would be better if I could run ZDB or FDB. Unfortunately I'm due to move overseas for work within the next few months so signing a lease on a place with better logistics just isn't practical right now.

(07-06-2015 10:40 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I assume you already did your best with your appearance (gym, style and hair). This is paramount.

This part of my game is tight. I often get compliments on how well I dress and how ripped I am.

Went on a midday date today at my pool (not at my house but have unlimited access to it) at some mid-high end condos. We drank and I felt her up a little in the pool. Found out she was bi during the date so she's subtle flirting with a sexy short haired tatted up white girl with short hair, big titties, and hoop earrings who is across the pool. I find out when I say, "that white girl's looking right." She replied with, "yea, we've been having eye contact all this time." I tease her about not having game and she kept hesitating like a beta male but talking like she had game, "watch me get her number."

The sexy white girl leaves without talking to my date. We leave the pool to get her from a relative's place and tell her to come by me a little. She verbally agrees then goes inside for a bit then she comes back with some shit about getting makeup from ULTA and if I don't hear from her to come by me tonight then I can by all means delete her number. You already know whether or not she called me. It's becoming more and more clear while motherfuckers are willing to live in another country.

(07-06-2015 09:36 AM)s3k Wrote:  Jetlagged - this was a great date for the knowledge alone. She probably came up with some excuse to leave because the kino wasn't esculated. You did a good job just needed to esculate a bit faster. The question game would have worked wonders if your last question was "do you want to kiss me"? She most def. Would have said yes since she was feeling your kino and giggling looking at you. (Look up the question game). Good job with the handdhake, like WIA said, it's underated and hes spot on. Game takes practice. I always approach/date with the same mindset, looking for that sliver of a crack to touch her/kino. If you read linux's travel write-up in columbia, he didnt even speak there language and was killin it! Kino > than your words.

Escalation is something I need to practice more, escalating kino and so forth.
I also need to time my dates better and venue change or get walking the right direction and not let the date linger for 2+ hours.

In the west this would kill me, and I wouldn't be running game like this.

In china, things are a bit different. Making out in a crowded Starbucks that's not Beijing guangzhou or shanghai, at 2pm is 95% not happening. Need isolation for this. I regret not going for the make out while I had her in somewhat isolation for the good bye. And def need to get moving out of the date spot and towards isolation. But I have to calibrate here slightly, albeit I don't know how much and it's leading to conflicts with my western mentality.

Thanks for the feedback. Need more practice

(07-06-2015 08:00 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  Your first point is kind of moot if you are talking time as you can always double book girls and cancel on the uglier one. I'm a firm believer in quality>quantity but time/effort shouldn't be a reason for it.

Problem is that when you're coming from the mindset of "She's less hot so she's a sure thing" - as I was until now, you rarely choose to ditch the "sure thing" for the other one, even if she's hotter. But now I know better, and I'll def try what you said about double booking and flaking on the uglier one.

(07-07-2015 03:57 AM)Don Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 08:00 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  Your first point is kind of moot if you are talking time as you can always double book girls and cancel on the uglier one. I'm a firm believer in quality>quantity but time/effort shouldn't be a reason for it.

Problem is that when you're coming from the mindset of "She's less hot so she's a sure thing" - as I was until now, you rarely choose to ditch the "sure thing" for the other one, even if she's hotter. But now I know better, and I'll def try what you said about double booking and flaking on the uglier one.

Flaking on girls, arriving late, and all those things girls do to guys is actually a great mindset booster in that you will start to believe in being higher value yourself. With that same territory you also start to get a feel for what girls will really be "sure things" and if anything it does tend to be the hotter girls.

Considering the amount of attention and free shit a hot girl gets the fact that she came out to a date with you proved your high value of anything else. Unless of course you dwarf a girl in market value(or she thinks you do which strangely a lot of upper shelf insecure girls do believe but that's a topic for another time).

The freakiest chick I've ever been with is back in town today. She will let me do anything to her and is a complete submissive.

Ideas?

Roardog,

Keep at it man. Listen to what Dalaran said about height. And trust me, the day you have a cute girl hooking onto you, and when you see her turning down 6'4 good looking dudes, it will destroy your limiting beliefs in regards to your height. This has happened to me in clubs on several occasions.

Besides, as you may come to learn if you put some serious time in the gym, there is one physical trait that matters more than your height, and that is shoulder-waist ratio.