Nice field reports! Why not try one more time with the first girl? I think she will be good to go for the third date. I know lots of guys here scoff at anything longer than a first date bang but if you're enjoying the time you spend with these girls then it's a success. Game on!

Update, she didn't go for a second date

Text convo
http://imgur.com/8ALDt8s

Looks like she's pretty solidly not up for a second date

Valhalla, sounds like she ain't down. I've met up with the same girl twice, both times on days she had to work. If she's genuinely interested in seeing you, she'll make time.

I spoke with my 18 year old lead earlier and may hang with her soon, maybe this weekend maybe next. My goal was to have a day 3 and finally seal the bang with the blonde but she hasn't replied to my proposal yet. She went from texting me during her work till nothing at all for the rest of the day. I have no intentions of double texting her. Until she replies, I'm following other leads and making time for friends.

What's cool is that most of my receptive chicks are in the 18-24 range. I'm making my intentions known with both so they don't waste my time with flaking. I'd rather have a rejection than have girls lead me on thinking I have a shot.

Fuck!

Never ceases to amaze me how you can think you're really connecting with a girl one night and feeling like MJ, only to have her flake on you/not respond to your text. I feel as though if the attraction was really that strong the flaking would be less. I gotta do better.

(07-16-2015 01:22 PM)Thatdude Wrote:  Fuck!

Never ceases to amaze me how you can think you're really connecting with a girl one night and feeling like MJ, only to have her flake on you/not respond to your text. I feel as though if the attraction was really that strong the flaking would be less. I gotta do better.

True. But before you beat yourself up too much you have to consider how much attention/ thirst/ distractions that younger good looking women have daily.

(07-15-2015 01:06 PM)Rawthentic Wrote:  You created this issue yourself by choosing to "neg" her.

She saw right through your game and it will be difficult, but not impossible to re-establish yourself here.

The key to your upcoming interactions is being able to reframe yourself and deliver value that will lead the interaction forward towards your desired outcome.

No, she shit-tested him and he failed.

He easily could've reframed in response:

"Sure, women choose, but there's only so many men that are worth choosing" or something better worded/thought out.

EDIT: Finished the thread, turns out she's not going to meet up with him. Not sure that she was really all that interested anyway. Maybe not much Valhalla could've done with this one but we'll never know.

Nah she def liked me but said she was done with that type of relationship with guys, i reminded her too much of the othrt guy, she's an alpha widow.

Absolutely brother. Just got to keep pushing and improving, really makes you tighten up your game for what its worth. On to the next one.

(07-16-2015 01:22 PM)Thatdude Wrote:  Fuck!

Never ceases to amaze me how you can think you're really connecting with a girl one night and feeling like MJ, only to have her flake on you/not respond to your text. I feel as though if the attraction was really that strong the flaking would be less. I gotta do better.

You have a connection after you bang her, don't contact her, and she contacts you. Today, there is no way to prove a building connection before that.

(07-14-2015 07:06 PM)MrXY Wrote:  That's excellent. I would add "Make frequent demands of her."
Tell her where and when she needs to be, how she should dress,
How she should behave, what she should and should't do. When I do this it's amazing how often they reply "Yes, sir!" Women crave a male authority figure in their life, which most of them lack these days. They want a man to give them structure and make them feel submissive and secure.

This is exactly how you need to be if you want to be her only cock. Tell her how to dress, when and where you're going, what heels/wedges to wear. It works perfectly over text when she asks "So...what are we doing later?" You want her in the micro-mini and 4" stilettos? Black stockings and no bra? Her old HS uniform - the actual one? I requested my last girl wear that to dinner and she didn't even blink or ask anything, just showed up like it was nothing. Had the hottest sex in months directly after.

I remember the first time a college girl started calling me Sir, unbidden. It felt amazing as someone 2x her age. And was signaling she wanted me to dominate her as much as I possibly could, and harder. Mission Accomplished.

What do you guys think when you're texting a girl back and forth (with short breaks) and after you try to set something up, the convo goes cold and she replies the next day with "hi" "hey" or "what's up" here's an example:

wrIghter: hey, make time for a movie night, I'll bring booze/(other preferences here_).
girl (day later): what's up?

I'm just curious of how everyone else deals with these types. I responded with a short simple text and asked her the same question. Then again its a repeat of the day before. I think either she's trying to avoid hooking up or just playing girl games. "The needy text" I think is something girls fish for when they do this. For me its a bit irritating.

Don't be vague it's scholl.

I used to text "lets hangout/i'll pick you up on X day X time X place".

Too many back and forth bullshit with schedule conflicts, this is eaiser to do once you make a girl a regular and know her schedule. Also rescheduling the same date or thing feels weak at a different time after you offered once.

"lets hangout Sunday night"

chick: "Ok what what were you thinking of?" - done deal

or "Can we hang out another day I have xyz going on"

Answer a long time later: "ok X night"

After this if she has to decline again without offering back a day she is on the back burner for at least a week.


If you want to see her that night:

"come hang out/ join me at XYZplacetime tonight"

Safer feeler version if you haven't gotten the bang yet:

"what are you up to tonight?"

I usually don't do the vague "make plans" thing. Both times we've made plans, they were same day meetups. I check to see if she'd be in town for the weekend to check for schedule conflict on my end. It may have been better to shoot for the meetup that night, but after not hearing from her it would of seemed like a possible flake. Before my plans were more direct so I guess I'll shoot for it tomorrow. If she's not down, move her back and plan for another.

Went with Trav's advice, more direct, less safe. its more assuming she's down anything. I'm really just looking for a solid answer...but maybe that's asking too much with? So far my previous invitation was swatted with a basic greeting, will see how this turns out later.

+1 last night.

Downtown Ft. Lauderdale is legit.

I'm still fucking hungover.

Picked up a hot chick at the hair salon in china, got her wechat in 3 mins. Extended handshake, shits money. That night she messaged me that my haircut looked very handsome. Money.

She messaged me, asking to go out for a drink. My rinkadink fucking area Im staying in has no real bar... I figured if she invited me for drinks she'd have a place in mind. Nope.

I suggested a dice bar instead. She's afraid of her english skills. Not optimal but walking distance from my hotel. I tell her meet me at 8 in front of KFC, which is secretly right next to my hotel. She agrees.

I meet up with her and she's still really attractive looking. I'm pretty amped. She sidesteps my hug and I end up in a weird side hug. That was odd.

So we're walking and I ask her how she got here (It's china not everyone has a car). Bitch has a car. $$$$$$.
Then I realize, we're going for DRINKS. I stop her and said you drove to come out and drink? I give her a look like bitch you serious?
She says she'll get her friend to come drive her car with her home.... I think to myself, you wont even make it home tonight. I uploaded pictures of my India trip to my laptop before meeting her and bought a bottle of wine.

5 minutes in walking, I don't remember what we were talking about but I hear her say "My husband."

I stop her. I say, "Say that again?"

"blah blah, my husband"

"You're married?"

"Yes"

I want to bail as soon as I hear this. Then I think to myself, wait. This could end up epic. She's meeting you alone, for drinks, just run and see what happens.

I start touching her shoulder while talking and walking, seems ok. She wants to teach me chinese, I try. That language is so hard. I show her a little english.

We get to the spot, and sit opposite. Whatever, too many people watching me already. I didn't want to push it. She's a local and married. I figure I will drop bait, offer to show pics, and gtfo out of her fast.

She asks if I want a tower of beer. I'm thinking she can hang.

I drank 80% of the tower. Feeling ok. Pretty drunk, but not terrible. She's drunk. Now that I finished the tower I start thinking back to my pull plan. So I tell her,

"If you're married, why don't you have a ring on your finger?"
"Oh, I took a shower before I came to see you on our date (????) and I forgot to put it back on (????)"
I give her this wry smile and a look like yeah right.

This guy comes over to our table. He wants to shake dice with me since I was kicking the girls ass and she went to the bathroom. I kick his ass, and she sits down next to me. She asks him to take our picture, I put my hand on her shoulder and smile.

Right after this picture was taken, she gets up and and another guy walks over to her.

"This is my husband"

I give him a nod.

Get me the fuck out of here.

He walks away (?????) almost instantly and leaves us alone.

I do not like this situation any more. I tell her I'm going to leave. She says her husband is coming with the car to pick us up and drop us back off. I tell her no thanks, I'll walk. I just want to get the fuck out of there. I message my main chick and tell her to come through. Fuck this deal. If this is a setup for me to fuck his wife with him or while he watches, this is not the way you setup the shit. This is fucking china, I don't know who this guy is. He's fat and not particularly handsome (His wife even said he was fat in a complaining tone, meanwhile here I am in pretty damn decent shape) and this chick is smoking so he must have something.

I start walking. She follows. I'm pretty drunk and I am thinking about asking her what the fuck. I thought I was pretty clear in my intentions, I'm not here to be your friend. I'm pretty sure she was into me too, but this whole married thing threw me way the fuck off.

I decide not to bring it up. Bitches be wylin. Even if she did want to D, asking her if she wanted it isn't going to yield a response. My main chick is asking me where I am. Shit. Im walking with this girl pretty damn close to my hotel.... she says ok, this is my husband, pointing at this car driving slowly next to us at our pace in the street. I tell her cool, bye, and just bounce. I couldn't get out of there fast enough.

Im fucking hammered. My girl is helping me get undressed.

I come to about 3 hours later and I'm grabbing her tits aggressively, she's moaning like crazy and grinding her ass into my crotch. I'm poking my dick against her pussy through her panties. She gets on top of me and take off her panties.

Fuck man. I'm drunk... if I go for the rubber now I'm gonna lose my boner.

She sits right on my dick. I fuck her raw again, after doing it twice in our first meet and me swearing not to do it again because I have OCD and I can't let this shit go.

I use every ounce of consciousness to focus on not cuming inside her. I pull out early and whack off on her stomach. I wake up this morning dumb hungover and call out of work. Its 10pm I still feel like shit.

And I'm freaking out about getting my main check knocked up. Gotta use dem rubbers mayne. I'm half puerto rican, that pull out shit is cursed for me.

Married girl messaged me again today. Asking to hang out again.

Short of it is I told her listen, I like you and I'm not interested in being your friend. She said she values our friendship and wants to remain friends.

Block/Delete. Next.

Damn Jetlagged.... the fuck did I just read...

Epic Jet!

Good shit Jet, haha.

(07-17-2015 08:43 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  Went with Trav's advice, more direct, less safe. its more assuming she's down anything. I'm really just looking for a solid answer...but maybe that's asking too much with? So far my previous invitation was swatted with a basic greeting, will see how this turns out later.

She's going back to grab some furniture for her spot today, I used innuendo about helping her set the bed...and haven't heard back....this is about to be a fucking next with this one. I've been trying too much with this lead and getting shit in return. Haven't heard back from bdsmn chick yet, weekend is currently set to be lame...

Went on a tinder date with a recently divorced 32 year old this week. I'm 25.

I ran my standard lines on Tinder and moved the chat to text after about 5 or so messages. Sent about 3 or 4 texts and suggested drinks.

She met me at my place and we walked to the bar next door to my apartment. I ran all my standard first date game and we went back to my place and she blew me.

What I found interesting about all this was her claim that she had not been on a first date in over 10 years due to her marriage recently ending. Apparently she had dated this guy for several years and was married to him for several years after that. She also has two kids with the guy. She told me that she kissed one guy during their marriage when they went through an "open" period but that was it. She said the open period was his idea and it ended after he hooked up with like 4 girls and she kissed one guy.

She also said she was new to Tinder. Only had been on it a couple days.

I guess I was just surprised that she was so quick to suck off the first Tinder guy with good game that came along considering her decade long relationship and children with another guy. I mean the woman has only slept with one man in 32 years (allegedly) and was with him for 10 and he's the father of her two children and they split up and now she's almost immediately blowing random guys off Tinder like me. And I really don't think she had any reason to lie to me about her 1 man notch count due to the circumstances of our meetup. We both knew I'm only a rebound so why would she care to lie to me? But of course, I'll never really know for sure.

It was an awesome night for me, but a bad night for my hope that marriage and relationships mean anything.

I'm just glad I'm on the player's side of things rather than the ex's side of things. The grass is greener on this side. And the older I get, the more I think I will stay on this side for life.

^^ One side is an emotional nightmare, with steep consequences, the other has the potential for dry spells, but it's easier for me to live with a little dignity on this side. Knowing as you say, I'm not that ex living the hell. Usually when a girl tells me SHE was cheated on, blah blah blah, I figure the truth is SHE was the cheater and only making her exes response to her cheating, by bedding other women, into her little story she tells me.

When I hear "He cheated on me with X amt of women," I always remind myself, MOST guys are beta-ish when in LTRs and don't cheat that much, and chances are she was the culprit by either withholding sex and trying to leverage her pussy over him for control, or truly being the cheater that got busted. Translation as she speaks:"I cheated on him with 10 guys and he busted me, so here I am adding you to that list now that we're split.. for now anyways."

Train wreck of night, stumbled upon a 6 who was actually a 5, but due to alcohol and hunger kept it together and played "don't fuck up" game and got a +1, which life is time 40 for me.

Met up with friends around 21.00 didn't even have the plan to drink which of course ended up in binge drinking and around 5.30 I was tired as hell and ready to go home. Went inside the bar to warm myself up before my 12 minute walk home and there was skillfully camouflaged chubby 6 who was giving my IOs. I had been keeping my eyes upon during the night and had done maybe 6-7 approaches, but hadn't had any luck beforehand.

I approached the target, she had looked away and kept staring at her glass and I opened by asking whether she was alright. She didn't respond for maybe 20 seconds and then said, "yes I'm fine". Then continued, "I know what you are after, we are looking for the same thing, you are after a girl aren't you?" I was under the impression that she was implying being bi or lesbian, but knowing these girls nowadays I just kept my cool and asked away and soon she clarified she was into men. She was very into me, called me really handsome and confident and from there it was really easy, since I knew she was in the bag. She got herself a drink and we went a nearby park to be alone, heavy make out and touching assumed. She didn't feel comfortable over there and I bounced her to another park. I was after a public fuck and I also begun to realize she was actually a chubby 5, thus I really didn't want to take her to my place, especially as she was really into me.

I didn't get the bang in the park and had essentially crossed her off after she told me she had "three bands staying over (she's a musician) and the place was packed, although she was half naked and dripping. As we were walking to catch a cab she fell horribly and bruised her knee and wrist. Got her up, calmed her down, jumped in the cab and she started saying she was all alone at home, nobody to patch her up, yada..yada..yada. I said fuck it, after all the trouble I'll at least empty my nuts, went there, patched her up, initiated sex, no LMR and plowed away. She came really quick and multiple times, making it really hard to concentrate and as she gave poor head too, I just flooded her face as revenge and got the hell out of dodge. She was crying and begging me to stay and never leave her. Clearly, something is not well up in her head. Fortunately, she doesn't know any of my details, but after reading this forum I'm really afraid this is THE TIME shit might come back to haunt me. Oh well

Clubbing with my friend last night.

We show up at 230am, he needs a drink to get into state, I'm totally sober.

Open 3 Koreans, one of them is asking me if her friend is my type. I said yeah we should get married. Korean chick says no, the other two say yes. We talk. And I'm waiting for my friend to jump in because I. Can't out talk 3 people.

He's talking to an Anglo chick. I continue talking to them and I find out they're tourists. Small talk. One of them starts looking bored and I know I need to do something quick. I tell them to wait. Go up to my friend tell him to shut the fuck up in Chinese and drag his ass over.

Language problems ensue. I google translate magic, grab a ring from one of the girls and tell the girl I want to fuck to close her eyes. The two friends are giggling. I do a pretend proposal and tell her to open her eyes. Everyone erupts in laughter.

Banter somemore.

We get photos and I suggest we go somewhere else which they've never been.

They're all in, but one of them wants to go back in the club. My friend tries to talk her out, I tell them bye and move on.

I speak Russian to these 2 brazillian girls and They hook telling me they're from Brazil etc. we lose momentum and say bye to them.

Two girls start fighting and I run up to 3 girls.

"Who dyou think will win? I'm gonna put 10 on the fattie" they laugh and say yes the fattie will win. My friend jumps in and says you're from Kazakhstan aernt you?

The two Asian looking chicks say yes. I start rattling off in Russian. They're impressed I speak Russian. I'm talking to all 3 in Russian and introduce my friend. I say in Russian that the club is getting boring and we should bounce. Russian chick tells the two Kazakh girls they want to go to another club which closed at 7. At that moment, this Indian guy who knows Russian girl apparently, suggests thai disco. Russian girl is smoking and I tell the two Kazakhs in Russian who are we waiting for? They say no one. I tell them давай это место очен скучны. This place is boring, let's go. They pressure Russian girl and we bounce to he cab stand.

there are 6 of us so we need to take 2 cabs. I get in the cab with Kazakh girl 1 and my friend. She tells me in Russian she wants her friend to sit with her (the girl I want) I get out yell at Kazakh girl 2 and she comes sit in our cab.

Indian guy and Russian girl get another cab and we head to the club. Inside the cab, the Kazakhs are speaking Russian, I'm speaking Russian to them, Chinese to my friend and my friend is speaking English to them. We find out they're roommates and I make a joke about that club which we were previously at, was a gay club and my friend starts acting gay.
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We all laugh and we reach. It's 345 in the morning.

We queue to get in, and one of Russian girls stalkers grabs her, she gets creeped out and says she wants to leave. We bounce to a Thai disco. I get refused entry because I produced a photocopy of my passport.

We bounce to another bar. It's 430am. We leave the bar eventually because friend of the Kazakh girl I want doesn't want to drink. I suggest we go to a karaoke place, thy follow and Kazakh girls friend tells her she's tired

Long story short, they go home because of her fucking friend and the three of us go back to my friends.

I pop melatonin and my fiend and Indian guy drinks with Russian girl.

Giant hickey on my neck from Wednesday night & no sleep. > Bought concealer for the first time.
Bruised bottom lip from lasts nights bite fest from a new 22 yr old plate. > Its Obvious
Hickey girl is coming over again today. > How do I make this lip thing go away??
Lip biter asked me if its ok if she gets fake boobs. > "You go girl"
Lack of sleep is crushing me in ways I could have never imagined. > Vasectomy anyone?

Doesn't fit into the post about borderline chicks.
And doesn't fit into the post about 10's.



Here's her instagram. (I know, I know, came across my RSS feed and I googled her)

https://instagram.com/tawnytaylor/

Here's her 3 years ago,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgL_sA1qH5c

Same chest tat.

In my view, those 3 years made her more attractive.
She seems to slimmed down a bit in the face, do better make up (cough photoshop cough), and dress better

Still, there's something off.

What's weird about her?