(07-07-2015 06:20 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  The freakiest chick I've ever been with is back in town today. She will let me do anything to her and is a complete submissive.

Ideas?

What's on your sexual bucket list?

Anything you've always wanted to try but never got around to doing?

If she's as submissive as you say you can make her your own personal plaything. Just think of any dirty thing you've ever wanted to do to a chick and if you ain't checked it off your list then here is your shot. Push it as far as you wanna take it.

(07-07-2015 08:09 AM)Blackwell Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 06:20 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  The freakiest chick I've ever been with is back in town today. She will let me do anything to her and is a complete submissive.

Ideas?

What's on your sexual bucket list?

Anything you've always wanted to try but never got around to doing?

If she's as submissive as you say you can make her your own personal plaything. Just think of any dirty thing you've ever wanted to do to a chick and if you ain't checked it off your list then here is your shot. Push it as far as you wanna take it.

Quite.

Only you know what kinky shit you have locked away deep in your mind.

Make a plan. Then execute.

(then come back and tell us )

Do logistics really important when you're meeting a chick for tonight?

Tape it.

Well shit. I had 2 2nd dates planned for yesterday and today and i was expecting to get laid, but it didn't happen. Girl from yesterday was on her period and only gave me a handjob and a blowjob. She told me that sex would hurt her too much on her period. Then today i had a date with this tall girl and she gave me crazy LMR. I could barely get her top off but no dice on the pants. I did pull out my dick and she gave me a lousy handjob. I also noticed her freakishly large feet so i'm probably gonna hit it once and next her. I have a 2nd date planned for tomorrow with this cute vegan girl and when i told her that we'd figure out something to do if it rains she answered with "I'm sure we can come up with something " so it seems like she's DTF. Going to buy a bottle of white just in case.

A random thought after watching some old movies: should playing up the beta lover part be a good proof against false rape accusation?

We know that women only accused men (likely alpha) who pumps and dump them, but I dont think I have heard a lot of stories about "beta" guys getting false rape charge.

I know a hardcore player who is a passionate Casanova style. He would seduce and quickly bang a girl, then professes undying love and other romantic shit for her while still banging 2-3 girls that same week, doing exactly the same with each and every girl. This results in no girl ever gets vengeful at him and he can keep multiple plates spinning without making any girl feeling like she's a plate.

So, say you bang a girl but you wanna jump ship, then you sense that there's a chance you might get a false rape charge. You tune up that beta part in you 1000x times and text her saying needy stuff. That will definitely sooth her ego and likely down your SMV, she will simply ghost you like she does with other beta guys. In her mind the rape accuse thing is simply not credible because you are the one chasing her and wanting her.

(07-07-2015 07:56 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  Roardog,

Keep at it man. Listen to what Dalaran said about height. And trust me, the day you have a cute girl hooking onto you, and when you see her turning down 6'4 good looking dudes, it will destroy your limiting beliefs in regards to your height. This has happened to me in clubs on several occasions.

Besides, as you may come to learn if you put some serious time in the gym, there is one physical trait that matters more than your height, and that is shoulder-waist ratio.

Thanks mate, appreciate the positive words.

(07-07-2015 06:09 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  A random thought after watching some old movies: should playing up the beta lover part be a good proof against false rape accusation?

We know that women only accused men (likely alpha) who pumps and dump them, but I dont think I have heard a lot of stories about "beta" guys getting false rape charge.

I know a hardcore player who is a passionate Casanova style. He would seduce and quickly bang a girl, then professes undying love and other romantic shit for her while still banging 2-3 girls that same week, doing exactly the same with each and every girl. This results in no girl ever gets vengeful at him and he can keep multiple plates spinning without making any girl feeling like she's a plate.

So, say you bang a girl but you wanna jump ship, then you sense that there's a chance you might get a false rape charge. You tune up that beta part in you 1000x times and text her saying needy stuff. That will definitely sooth her ego and likely down your SMV, she will simply ghost you like she does with other beta guys. In her mind the rape accuse thing is simply not credible because you are the one chasing her and wanting her.

"You think I should've her walked her out"- Mike Tyson. Next thing you know he was arrested for rape.

(07-07-2015 06:20 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  The freakiest chick I've ever been with is back in town today. She will let me do anything to her and is a complete submissive.

Ideas?

Do everything you've ever wanted and then some things you don't even know if you like. Forced deepthroat, uncomfortable bondage, hogtie, bang all 3 holes, spitting, golden shower, public sex, make her degrade herself verbally and physically, slap her if she's not instantly responsive, write on her, take photos of everything.

My deepest sub always begs me to take photos of her 'after', makeup running, face full of cum, red marks all over. I haven't found her limits yet.

I think I've found the main difference between 18-27 year olds and 28 - 40.

18-27 year olds:
Ultra flaky
Say "yes" to drugs

28 - 40 year olds:
Less flaky
Very Manipulative

I want to say I'd prefer the younger cohort but I can't be around weed like that. If I continue to pursue the older cohort, they will drive me nuts with their stupid games.

Here's the dilemma with my city (American smaller-size 1st tier city): There are a multitude of bad bitches 7s, 8s, + 9s but they are very had to get. Social circle only helps a little bit. If I walk away from this city to move to another city/state/country then what would my legacy be: I left because I couldn't get the cream of the crop in my OWN town? I've only had two 8s and have been back in the game damn near full-time since late 2013 following the dissolution of my LTR/engagement.

(07-08-2015 01:15 AM)RougeNoir Wrote:  Here's the dilemma with my city (American smaller-size 1st tier city): There are a multitude of bad bitches 7s, 8s, + 9s but they are very had to get. Social circle only helps a little bit. If I walk away from this city to move to another city/state/country then what would my legacy be: I left because I couldn't get the cream of the crop in my OWN town? I've only had two 8s and have been back in the game damn near full-time since late 2013 following the dissolution of my LTR/engagement.

Who gives a fuck, man?

(07-08-2015 01:15 AM)RougeNoir Wrote:  Here's the dilemma with my city (American smaller-size 1st tier city): There are a multitude of bad bitches 7s, 8s, + 9s but they are very had to get. Social circle only helps a little bit. If I walk away from this city to move to another city/state/country then what would my legacy be: I left because I couldn't get the cream of the crop in my OWN town? I've only had two 8s and have been back in the game damn near full-time since late 2013 following the dissolution of my LTR/engagement.

Yeah just like jetlagged said, nobody gives a fuck what you had to do to get some. Besides the world expects results, nobody cares about the labor pains just show them the fucking baby. Move to freaking Kazakhstan if thats where you'll get the most ass.

(07-08-2015 12:47 AM)RougeNoir Wrote:  I think I've found the main difference between 18-27 year olds and 28 - 40.

18-27 year olds:
Ultra flaky
Say "yes" to drugs

28 - 40 year olds:
Less flaky
Very Manipulative

I want to say I'd prefer the younger cohort but I can't be around weed like that. If I continue to pursue the older cohort, they will drive me nuts with their stupid games.

Seems like a fair assessment.

But what's the issue with being 'around weed like that' as such? Just curious. It's hardly dangerous.

(07-08-2015 01:15 AM)RougeNoir Wrote:  Here's the dilemma with my city (American smaller-size 1st tier city): There are a multitude of bad bitches 7s, 8s, + 9s but they are very had to get. Social circle only helps a little bit. If I walk away from this city to move to another city/state/country then what would my legacy be: I left because I couldn't get the cream of the crop in my OWN town? I've only had two 8s and have been back in the game damn near full-time since late 2013 following the dissolution of my LTR/engagement.

You pulled two eights but couldn't bang a single mom? Okay man okay you do you man. Nobody fucking cares, just talk about pulling ass and how your game is when you are trying to pull these broads. We really don't give a flying fuck about your inability to find ass because it's not even as if you are talking about approaches or doing anything actionable.

More importantly on my end. Was talking to a friend while we were walking around town and we find a bench to sit on that just happened to have a 6/10 sitting on the other side. I start cracking jokes with him because we are giving each other shit, and she keeps looking over. Then she starts giggling uncontrollably after everyone of my jokes. Out of nowhere she asks me if I could help her find the nearest Post Office(which strangely enough just happened to be around the corner ). Start spitting usual game as I walk with her and next thing you know she asks for my number and that was that. Some days I guess it's that easy.

Later that day me and one of my good friends grab coffee over at our favorite joint. He tells me that this hipster chick that owes him money is coming around to pay him back. When she comes around I realize she isn't half bad. Tall, leggy, cute, and with a nice ass but horrible laugh 7/10. Spit a bit of game teasing, kino, homeboy gives me the assist by hyping me up, and next thing you know she's excusing herself for a "bathroom break". Second she leaves us for a moment my boy gets a text from her asking if I'm single. One chill fist bump later she's back and as I leave she gives me a kiss on the cheek, her number, and tells me to text her soon.

Been a while since I've felt this good about making an impression on chicks as I didn't need to sexualize things that much. Guess improving on a sexy vibe and being chill was just as good if not better.

RVF Date Report

Day 2

After wanting another shot since my failure to bang on Day 1 I got my much awaited day 2 with the HB 7 from Tinder. I initially reopened her about her trip and a funny nickname that would lighten the mood. She bit and after a few small text exchanges, I told her that we should meet for movies and night swimming.

She was down, but FLAKED, due to some hardcore ASD. Not sure if this is my fault or is it because her LDR is getting paranoid. I’d be paranoid as well if my girl was on Tinder. After the flake text, I gave a casual. “okay/aiight” it didn’t matter to me because I hadn’t left home and I wouldn’t be spending any money. I took this time to eat, while I waited for my laundry to finish.

Not long after she reinitiates, *text here*

We meet at the same park from Day 1 and shoot the shit by the water fall. We kino each other right off the bat. From her initial hug, and touch, to me, picking at the blonde hairs on her arm. We move from there to the hotel’s pool area, which is occupied. At first the interaction was a bit too awkward for my liking. I felt like I had too many rules in place and LMR before I even made a real move.

To wait for the pool to clear, we listened to music, sipped wine, and I kino’d the fuck out of her. I had taken off my jeans so that I was in my swim trunks. Sat at the front of her chair and began to massage her. She had welcomed it and open her legs to me. I had became a bit too aroused and I’m pretty sure she noticed the bulge in my shorts.

After a while we got into the hot tub temporarily, listening to music and making small talk. It took her a bit to settle in because “It was too hot”. Watching her undress was an erotic experience. *from shirts and shorts into full bikini*. We stayed in the tub for the duration of about three songs. We then moved to the pool…where I swam alone and she she sat at the edge of the pool.

I had an idea that she knew what would happen. The pool was my realm, its where I’m most playful and aggressive. I was sure to kino here as well, locking her legs in my arms, playing with her feet, avoiding tickling attempts, and finally getting my hands from her waist to her ass. Which didn’t last long before she went to make us more drinks. As she went inside to grab ice her friends call her over.

SHIT! Her friends, whom I had met before were just near the entrance to the pool area, drinking and chilling out. When she came back she had told me that they invited us over. She had already agreed to join them…so do I.

This is where the night went south. At one point she asks when the train stops running. I make up a time just so that I can stay over. She disagrees and asks another guy there who’s not aware of my game plan. He gives a more accurate time. *Blocked* We drank and shot the shit with the friends and eventually she had to get to bed for work in the morning. We say our goodbyes and she texts to see if I made it.

This is the shorter version of story style write-up I did.

Hey guys, First post here!

Recently got out of an LTR where I was definitely beta-male. Was very unhappy and didn't really know why. She was obviously also unhappy. After a good amount of reading and reflecting, I can definitely attribute a large chunk of unhappiness to my inability to step up and be a man. Now, I'm in a position where I am beyond motivated to improve myself 100%.

I've been on a dry spell for quite a while (the last few months of our relationship were sexless...) so I set out to get my dick wet. I was visiting some buddies in another city and hit up Tinder.

Set up a froyo date that went poorly. I was at 50% from going out the past few nights and working in the morning so my brain was on autopilot, and not the good kind. The girl was also pretty boring and I wasn't in a good enough state of mind to do anything to excite the conversation.

Set up a second date with a pretty ugly girl. Didn't care, just wanted to get it in. Met up for drinks and she drank a lot. Did a lot of physical contact, eventually invited myself over to her place to smoke a bowl.

We smoked and listened to some music, and she pulled away when I tried kissing her. Gave her a massage but she was definitely acting awkward about it. Moved away from me on the bed.

My old instincts started kicking in and I was thinking to myself, "ugh this bitch isn't attractive and she won't even have sex with me, what the fuck"
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This is where I would have given up before and made the situation worse, but then the things I've learned from this forum lit up in my brain and I immediately realized the mistakes in my thought process.

I switched to "not give a fuck" mode. She asked me to pass me her beer which was on her windowsill, which I was passing earlier to her. I playfully didn't give it to her. She tried for 5 minutes to get me to pass her beer. I ignored her requests and just listened to the music. At some point she got up and got it herself. Looking back, this really wasn't a big deal, but I think I managed to infuse some fun into the situation and was indirectly saying "I'm not doing shit for you. Do it yourself."

I started ignoring her and just closed my eyes and listened to the music and was having a good time being faded. She started asking me how I was doing every few minutes, like she was concerned. She asked me if I was bored, and I just shrugged it off.

At some point I asked her if she was a virgin based on the way she was acting, and she started qualifying herself. She put her legs on mine and this is where I pulled her in and kissed her, 0 LMR, put her hand on my dick and the rest is history mission accomplished.

This is probably the first time in my life where I acted dominant in bed, i.e. dragged her around by her hair, told her when she could come, etc. Nothing too crazy but I could tell it was having extremely positive effects. I will certainly be doing this more often.

She's not a girl I would brag about to my friends, but she was a much needed confidence boost and it was nice to see that the teachings here really have merit. I have a date with a 7.5 tonight so looking forward to apply some of the things I learned.

Key takeaway is that while reading about game makes it sound easy, applying the skills in real life is much harder and you must constantly remind yourself to keep your mindset correct, especially in the beginning. I have a lot to learn!

(07-09-2015 04:32 PM)yeppels Wrote:  Set up a froyo date that went poorly.

'froyo' as in 'frozen yogurt' date? - unless you're in jr.high school or dating a mormon, i don't think this is a good venue choice as an adult

The strangest thing about Game that keeps coming back is I would think that experience means I can bend the rules more.

It doesn't. All experience does is solidify the most meticulous details so you fool yourself into thinking you aren't following an iron-bound instruction manual.

When I take enough time to think about it, I may react a little differently to a girl's text here and there.

If I want a bang I am following phrases, timing, logistics, moves and everything else with a tighter and more rigid line. It seems like less effort because variables are disappearing by my own hand.

Doing anything else is just for self entertainment. I am believing more and more strongly there is a Game for each individual guy that works best. That Game over time does not change around and expand, no - it really contracts into a steel sliver if you want the most success.

I don't know if I like this realization. The autonomy and creativity is just smoke. There is a direct path, the better you get the less words you use even shrinking the creativity fallacy even moreso.

Yeah I can tell stories.

I can try to sound intelligent and worldly.

I can try to DHV.

I could take her to a more interesting place.

This just soothes my ego (look at my Game go!), it really doesn't help me get laid.

(07-09-2015 04:56 PM)Brahman Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:32 PM)yeppels Wrote:  Set up a froyo date that went poorly.

'froyo' as in 'frozen yogurt' date? - unless you're in jr.high school or dating a mormon, i don't think this is a good venue choice as an adult

Bitches love FroYo, never underestimate that shit.


Some bitches don't drink, don't party, don't do bars, you'll scare the cat etc.

With the 18-20 crowd, it's either straight over to my house, meet for coffee/yogurt.

Do you know how many sexually charged comments and jokes you can make with yogurt? Having her feed you, you feed her ?

The only thing is.....YOU'RE the one that has to maintain frame.

On the bus
Packed
Seat next to me is open. (Almost always, black male privilege)

Cute chick gets on board

She's about to sit next to me

Dude, who's sitting, gets up from his seat.

She takes his seat and he sits next to me

What part of the game is this?

I would have at least opened her

WIA

LMAO, that doesn't make any sense at all. He'd been better off sitting where he was.

Also I have a longer version of my report above. Super detailed with text msgs and shit but I think its a bit too TL;DR. I think she wants to keep me around in case things go bad with the LDR. I'm still following other leads and focusing on myself. Feels good to have options .

Since I joined I have always had this girl in the background that if I rang up, would be there the moment I called. Shes totally gone now and I feel like I am starting over from when I met her back in 2011. I have a stable now but its not the same. I went right to the edge(marriage/babies) with this one, and called it all off.

Dramatic LTR, I dumped her and started gaming in mid 2013, 20+ bangs later, 500 approaches later, here I am. From then to a few weeks ago, she was always there in the background.

I picked this lifestyle, and I am dealing with it, but dealing with it in a new way, starting over completely fresh. I am totally different person from when I met her. I have a whole new set of priorities and goals that I want to achieve now, that I can achieve now. I am stronger and more focused than I ever have been, its like a stepping off point for me that I didnt realize would really matter until now.

Don't knock the ice cream/froyo dates! I've gotten some bangs from these where they go directly to my place after.

(07-09-2015 05:13 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:56 PM)Brahman Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:32 PM)yeppels Wrote:  Set up a froyo date that went poorly.

'froyo' as in 'frozen yogurt' date? - unless you're in jr.high school or dating a mormon, i don't think this is a good venue choice as an adult

Bitches love FroYo, never underestimate that shit.


Some bitches don't drink, don't party, don't do bars, you'll scare the cat etc.

With the 18-20 crowd, it's either straight over to my house, meet for coffee/yogurt.

Do you know how many sexually charged comments and jokes you can make with yogurt? Having her feed you, you feed her ?

The only thing is.....YOU'RE the one that has to maintain frame.

Word.

Froyo is a great first date.