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^ Me too.
soup · 2015-07-29 10:48:00 · #5952
Rejection is part of the game, so there's no starting or stopping when you "fucked things up with women".
Tokyo Joe · 2015-07-29 11:27:00 · #5953
OregonToSoCal · 2015-07-29 11:37:00 · #5954
Soup! I was just asking about you on here a little while back.
BlurredSevens · 2015-07-29 11:40:00 · #5955
Soup I still think about what you taught me when I joined this place 3 years ago.
Welcome back.
Welcome back.
kaotic · 2015-07-29 12:19:00 · #5956
Welcome back Soup! I think the Exposing PUA thread got his attention ! I can't wait for him to give insight !
Soup comes back for his 11,000th post and this crazy ass chick has made one of the best threads in recent months.
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Soup comes back for his 11,000th post and this crazy ass chick has made one of the best threads in recent months.
OregonToSoCal · 2015-07-29 12:32:00 · #5957
(07-29-2015 12:19 PM)kaotic Wrote: Welcome back Soup! I think the Exposing PUA thread got his attention ! I can't wait for him to give insight !
Soup comes back for his 11,000th post and this crazy ass chick has made one of the best threads in recent months.
I think these are signs that the second coming of Neil Strauss is imminent...
mikado · 2015-07-29 15:04:00 · #5958
(07-29-2015 12:32 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:(07-29-2015 12:19 PM)kaotic Wrote: Welcome back Soup! I think the Exposing PUA thread got his attention ! I can't wait for him to give insight !
Soup comes back for his 11,000th post and this crazy ass chick has made one of the best threads in recent months.
I think these are signs that the second coming of Neil Strauss is imminent...
We only need now the return of our beloved Neil to have seen it all.
Travesty · 2015-07-29 15:17:00 · #5959
(07-29-2015 03:16 AM)Rawmeo Wrote: I brought a new girl home for a SNL, all logistics perfect. When entering the bedroom, she screams "what the fuck is this?" as she points the used condom that I forgot to clean with yesterday's lay. Needless to say, the evening ended there as she got out. Damn I am still pinching myself for this mistake
This is one of those rare beautiful troll moments that really tests your poise.
Hindsight is to laugh it off and say you got near black out drunk last night and used a condom to jerk off to see if you could finish before you pass out...
"I guess I won but I can't remember really"
kaotic · 2015-07-29 15:33:00 · #5960
(07-29-2015 03:17 PM)Travesty Wrote:(07-29-2015 03:16 AM)Rawmeo Wrote: I brought a new girl home for a SNL, all logistics perfect. When entering the bedroom, she screams "what the fuck is this?" as she points the used condom that I forgot to clean with yesterday's lay. Needless to say, the evening ended there as she got out. Damn I am still pinching myself for this mistake
This is one of those rare beautiful troll moments that really tests your poise.
Hindsight is to laugh it off and say you got near black out drunk last night and used a condom to jerk off to see if you could finish before you pass out...
"I guess I won but I can't remember really"
Exactly what I would've said, or "I don't like making a mess when I jerk off."
Or ksbms's line about trying it on.
AneroidOcean · 2015-07-29 20:44:00 · #5961
(07-29-2015 03:33 PM)kaotic Wrote: Exactly what I would've said, or "I don't like making a mess when I jerk off."
This, but only after saying, "haven't you ever heard that guys need to rub one out before a date? It's relaxing and..."
Gotta say it calm as fuck and in the same motion scoop it up to throw it away while saying, "I'm going to have a glass of X, would you like to try some to see if you like it?"
The same answers go for situations where you have wrapped condoms out or she finds your stash or she actually knows how many you had last time and counts a lot less this time.
Plausible deniability.
(07-29-2015 10:48 AM)soup Wrote: Rejection is part of the game, so there's no starting or stopping when you "fucked things up with women".
Welcome back, soup!
Jagnum · 2015-07-30 01:57:00 · #5962
My new approach to this date, and future dates was to not kiss her unless she was back in my bedroom.
Instead, build comfort. Drop bait midway. Tell stories. Touch her. Let her speak 70% of the time.
Setting up the date:
Girl age, 23. I met her at an open mic. I approached her in between sets to talk to her for a short minute. Then again at the end, we talked for three minutes tops. She was with a friend and in a rush. But to my surprise, she asked me out by saying, “maybe you’d like to get coffee sometime.”
Texting with her was a breeze. I texted her three days later, “Yo (name) its Jagnum” She responded with something like, “Hey, I’m glad I finally heard from you.” I got her schedule for the week, and we met up.
We went to my favorite dive bar, stayed for about 90 minutes. I didn’t venue change, possibly in response to fact she wasn’t drinking alcohol (first time a girl didn't drink on a date). She brought along coconut water.
On the date:
I made sure to sit right next to her immediately. She was really curious about me, so she went right into asking me many questions. I told a higher value story about my acting class (previous night) how I was in a scene with simple lines, yet I was able to subcommunicate a serious feeling/emotion to the audience. She thinks I’m in serious study of acting now (I’ll take it). I also did something new called “bad listening”, where you deliberately be a bad listener for a little under a minute. The idea is to create a void of comfort so you suddenly become a good listener again, and in doing so, the comfort created is stronger. It’s a new concept, I think it worked. Send me a PM for more info.
Overall, she was asking me a lot of questions. Her body language was poor at first. She was sitting next to me, but kept a distance, her very, very nice ass was angled away from me on the bench. I asked about her watch. I touched her a lot and she wasn’t pulling away more, so that was a good sign.
It’s a barcade, so we went up to play pinball after around 30 minutes. We sat back down and this time we sat closer. She was feeling more comfortable. We talked sexual topics a bit, I asked if she had “satisfying sex in the last three months” (from Braddock’s questions game). I also asked if she fantasized about sleeping with any of her coworkers. A good moment came when she said, “you probably have more experience than I do.” I responded with, “I’ve found all women to be different. Some like it when I kiss them deep in their mouth and pull their hair back, where others like it when I kiss towards the front of the mouth. No matter what, I’m always kissing with passion.” But there would be no kiss for her tonight.
I did two things differently, based on these three forum posts:
Comfort was also letting her talk as much as possible, although she was asking me a lot of questions throughout the night.
2. Not kissing. First time I’ve gone on a date without intending to kiss her, but I like this approach. I think it leaves her wanting something, so she’s more inclined to meet again.
Ending the date:
After we did body backwriting, about 90 minutes in to the date, I needed to pull the trigger, I paused and said,
“Let’s go and I can show you some of the photos I took in New York.” (I dropped bait mid-way about an interest in street photography, and she also mentioned she will be going to NYC for the first time later this summer).
She shook her head and said, “No”.
I wasn’t sure what to do next. I decided to bring it up a few more times (being persistent).
We talked for another two minutes in the bar and I told her, “Let’s get out of here" without specifying where. Outside the bar, I added I had to be up early and told her, “We can only hang out for a little bit anyway”. She said she no again; she had to go to bed. I asked if she drove to the bar (yes) and whether she could drive me home. In the car ride, I rambled with light conversational topics for a minute and then asked her once more “You don’t want to come in for five?” (I admit this was poor wording). She said, “No. Maybe another time.” With not much gusto. Then I say something dumb—“It’ll be fine though. You’re nervous.” She replies, “No I’m actually not [nervous] at all.” A bit later I tell her, “I just wanted to hang out.” She replies, “Yeah, that’s fine.” We get to my place and she says, “Well thanks for showing me the bar. It’s a cool place.” I climb over to the driver’s seat and whisper in her ear, “Maybe another time.” She replies with a weak, “Yeah” followed by, “Have a good night.” And then I got out of the car. I don't know.
I felt more relaxed not worrying about the kiss. Roosh was so adamant in "Bang" to get the kiss on the first date that I was always pressuring myself to get the kiss in.
OregonToSoCal has a few nice posts with conversations after she initially rejects an offer to come back to his place. I think the forum would benefit with more conversation examples of responses when she tells you “no” after your invite.
Overall, it felt good, but not great. She wasn't convinced I just wanted a private place to kiss. I think she likes me enough, I’m planning to text her in a few days, invite her over to cook dinner. I dropped bait about how much I love to cook.
As for venue changing, next time I’ll get her to a second bar, then hit my hands on the bar and say, “You know what — screw it. Let’s check out some of my New York photos and watch an episode of Arrested Development.” Probably wouldn’t have changed the outcome this time, but I’ll give it a shot.
I’ll keep you updated. You guys are all a motivation.
Instead, build comfort. Drop bait midway. Tell stories. Touch her. Let her speak 70% of the time.
Setting up the date:
Girl age, 23. I met her at an open mic. I approached her in between sets to talk to her for a short minute. Then again at the end, we talked for three minutes tops. She was with a friend and in a rush. But to my surprise, she asked me out by saying, “maybe you’d like to get coffee sometime.”
Texting with her was a breeze. I texted her three days later, “Yo (name) its Jagnum” She responded with something like, “Hey, I’m glad I finally heard from you.” I got her schedule for the week, and we met up.
We went to my favorite dive bar, stayed for about 90 minutes. I didn’t venue change, possibly in response to fact she wasn’t drinking alcohol (first time a girl didn't drink on a date). She brought along coconut water.
On the date:
I made sure to sit right next to her immediately. She was really curious about me, so she went right into asking me many questions. I told a higher value story about my acting class (previous night) how I was in a scene with simple lines, yet I was able to subcommunicate a serious feeling/emotion to the audience. She thinks I’m in serious study of acting now (I’ll take it). I also did something new called “bad listening”, where you deliberately be a bad listener for a little under a minute. The idea is to create a void of comfort so you suddenly become a good listener again, and in doing so, the comfort created is stronger. It’s a new concept, I think it worked. Send me a PM for more info.
Overall, she was asking me a lot of questions. Her body language was poor at first. She was sitting next to me, but kept a distance, her very, very nice ass was angled away from me on the bench. I asked about her watch. I touched her a lot and she wasn’t pulling away more, so that was a good sign.
It’s a barcade, so we went up to play pinball after around 30 minutes. We sat back down and this time we sat closer. She was feeling more comfortable. We talked sexual topics a bit, I asked if she had “satisfying sex in the last three months” (from Braddock’s questions game). I also asked if she fantasized about sleeping with any of her coworkers. A good moment came when she said, “you probably have more experience than I do.” I responded with, “I’ve found all women to be different. Some like it when I kiss them deep in their mouth and pull their hair back, where others like it when I kiss towards the front of the mouth. No matter what, I’m always kissing with passion.” But there would be no kiss for her tonight.
I did two things differently, based on these three forum posts:
- “Not sure where this date went wrong” from OregonToSoCal http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48569.html
- “New recipe for securing first date bangs” from Tuthmosis http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-8681.html
- "Second-to-last-minute resistance" my own thread (specially the advice from Vincent Chase) http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-49178.html
Comfort was also letting her talk as much as possible, although she was asking me a lot of questions throughout the night.
2. Not kissing. First time I’ve gone on a date without intending to kiss her, but I like this approach. I think it leaves her wanting something, so she’s more inclined to meet again.
Ending the date:
After we did body backwriting, about 90 minutes in to the date, I needed to pull the trigger, I paused and said,
“Let’s go and I can show you some of the photos I took in New York.” (I dropped bait mid-way about an interest in street photography, and she also mentioned she will be going to NYC for the first time later this summer).
She shook her head and said, “No”.
I wasn’t sure what to do next. I decided to bring it up a few more times (being persistent).
We talked for another two minutes in the bar and I told her, “Let’s get out of here" without specifying where. Outside the bar, I added I had to be up early and told her, “We can only hang out for a little bit anyway”. She said she no again; she had to go to bed. I asked if she drove to the bar (yes) and whether she could drive me home. In the car ride, I rambled with light conversational topics for a minute and then asked her once more “You don’t want to come in for five?” (I admit this was poor wording). She said, “No. Maybe another time.” With not much gusto. Then I say something dumb—“It’ll be fine though. You’re nervous.” She replies, “No I’m actually not [nervous] at all.” A bit later I tell her, “I just wanted to hang out.” She replies, “Yeah, that’s fine.” We get to my place and she says, “Well thanks for showing me the bar. It’s a cool place.” I climb over to the driver’s seat and whisper in her ear, “Maybe another time.” She replies with a weak, “Yeah” followed by, “Have a good night.” And then I got out of the car. I don't know.
I felt more relaxed not worrying about the kiss. Roosh was so adamant in "Bang" to get the kiss on the first date that I was always pressuring myself to get the kiss in.
OregonToSoCal has a few nice posts with conversations after she initially rejects an offer to come back to his place. I think the forum would benefit with more conversation examples of responses when she tells you “no” after your invite.
Overall, it felt good, but not great. She wasn't convinced I just wanted a private place to kiss. I think she likes me enough, I’m planning to text her in a few days, invite her over to cook dinner. I dropped bait about how much I love to cook.
As for venue changing, next time I’ll get her to a second bar, then hit my hands on the bar and say, “You know what — screw it. Let’s check out some of my New York photos and watch an episode of Arrested Development.” Probably wouldn’t have changed the outcome this time, but I’ll give it a shot.
I’ll keep you updated. You guys are all a motivation.
OregonToSoCal · 2015-07-30 09:47:00 · #5963
Hey man, it's good to see that some of my mistakes and misses are helping other guys on here to not go down the same path as I did. I'm still figuring this out myself but here's my take on the night for what it's worth.
* When you first met her it sounds like her interest level in you was quite high which is always a good thing going into a first date.
* Her body language seemed to be working against you. This could be due to a myriad of reasons. Something you said, she had a bad day at work, she's pissed at one of her girlfriends, you just don't know. But regardless it's an indicator of her not being receptive in that moment.
* I would have held off on the story telling about yourself and instead made the focus on her right from the start. It's too easy to accidentally say something that she doesn't like. Remember, women go into a first date with a disqualifying mindset. They're looking for any excuse to next you. That's why it's so important to speak as little as possible. If you're not talking you're not putting your foot in your mouth.
* Women want to feel like they're being heard and understood. It's how they feel connected to someone. No offense but it sounds like your "bad listening" technique backfired on you and just pissed her off in the process.
* It's good that she was asking you a lot of questions as it indicates that she was interested in getting to know you. The best way to handle those is to succinctly answer all of her questions and then immediately turn the focus back on to her. Don't be the interview guy and instead listen to what she says and drill down on her answers, get her talking about her feelings, hopes and dreams.
* It looks like your touching and kino were spot on.
* Her so adamantly rejecting your bait definitely shows that she was not interested in going any further with you. It's good that you're optimistic and think that she still likes you but if I were a betting man I would take the odds you never see her again every day of the week and sleep like a baby at night.
So, what went wrong? As you know from my previous thread I've been in these situations many times and like my dad always says "experience is what you get when you don't get what you want." From what I can see you ended up talking a LOT more than 30% of the time, your stories came off as bragging and showing off to her, your "bad listening" was just that...she felt like you didn't care at all about what she had to say and then you take the conversation in a forced, sexual direction. At that point she went into auto rejection and put you in the category of "another guy who just wants to get laid."
One final question, on the date how was your body language? Were you constantly moving in towards her or were you sitting back and away? For me the biggest improvement to my game has been in my body language. On dates I always sit back in my chair, put my arm up and make her move in towards me. I used to be that guy with his head pushed forward, nodding like an idiot and hands wandering all over her like an octopus. I still cringe when thinking about those days...
* When you first met her it sounds like her interest level in you was quite high which is always a good thing going into a first date.
* Her body language seemed to be working against you. This could be due to a myriad of reasons. Something you said, she had a bad day at work, she's pissed at one of her girlfriends, you just don't know. But regardless it's an indicator of her not being receptive in that moment.
* I would have held off on the story telling about yourself and instead made the focus on her right from the start. It's too easy to accidentally say something that she doesn't like. Remember, women go into a first date with a disqualifying mindset. They're looking for any excuse to next you. That's why it's so important to speak as little as possible. If you're not talking you're not putting your foot in your mouth.
* Women want to feel like they're being heard and understood. It's how they feel connected to someone. No offense but it sounds like your "bad listening" technique backfired on you and just pissed her off in the process.
* It's good that she was asking you a lot of questions as it indicates that she was interested in getting to know you. The best way to handle those is to succinctly answer all of her questions and then immediately turn the focus back on to her. Don't be the interview guy and instead listen to what she says and drill down on her answers, get her talking about her feelings, hopes and dreams.
* It looks like your touching and kino were spot on.
* Her so adamantly rejecting your bait definitely shows that she was not interested in going any further with you. It's good that you're optimistic and think that she still likes you but if I were a betting man I would take the odds you never see her again every day of the week and sleep like a baby at night.
So, what went wrong? As you know from my previous thread I've been in these situations many times and like my dad always says "experience is what you get when you don't get what you want." From what I can see you ended up talking a LOT more than 30% of the time, your stories came off as bragging and showing off to her, your "bad listening" was just that...she felt like you didn't care at all about what she had to say and then you take the conversation in a forced, sexual direction. At that point she went into auto rejection and put you in the category of "another guy who just wants to get laid."
One final question, on the date how was your body language? Were you constantly moving in towards her or were you sitting back and away? For me the biggest improvement to my game has been in my body language. On dates I always sit back in my chair, put my arm up and make her move in towards me. I used to be that guy with his head pushed forward, nodding like an idiot and hands wandering all over her like an octopus. I still cringe when thinking about those days...
ksbms · 2015-07-30 10:07:00 · #5964
Not necessarily went anything wrong with Jagnum's date. Some girls really like to hold out for whatever reason. For instance, perhaps, she sees you as a potential boyfriend? Or because you touched her too much she began to think you were needy? Or because you didn't kiss her? Or... We could make assumptions and stipulations all night long. Luckily, you'll bang her so can get a post-coital intel why she declined the offer after the first date.
BlurredSevens · 2015-07-30 13:30:00 · #5965
Jagnum I both love and hate how analytical you are.
I love it because it shows me that you're self aware and that you're working hard.
I hate it because you're overthinking things and I can tell you're not present in the moment with these girls.
Instead of flowing, you're analyzing. Instead of understanding the subtext of the interaction, you're filling your head with "kino" and "bait" and all that other lingo.
This is pretty weird, man. Maybe your delivery was good but this is feeling exceptionally cringeworthy to me.
Talking about sex with girls and being sexual with girls are two very different things.
You had already been touching her, which is good, but then you ask if she wants to fuck her coworkers? And also that sometimes you like to stick your tongue down girls throats?
I don't understand what you were hoping to accomplish with this conversation. I'm surprised she didn't leave.
Why did you need to "pull the trigger?" Is it because that is what you read you are supposed to do? Or because it felt right in the moment?
Do not forget that this girl is a human being, not a robot that you feed a script. She is a product of the environment and everything is contextual.
You need to slow down and take a breath.
You tried to pull her home, and she said no. So instead of chilling out, you waited "2 minutes," and then tried the exact same thing again?
Good lord man. This is absurd. She should be climbing over the seat to kiss you, not for you to whisper something lame in her ear after repeatedly telling you she didn't want to go home with you.
I wrote a thread called Zero Date Bangs as a response to this scenario. I found that on dates, many girls would reject my invite to go home with me.
I could never figure out if it was because they didn't like me, or maybe I ran bad game, or maybe I made it too obvious that sex was on the agenda.
So now I just skip all that shit and invite them directly over to my place, saving myself the despair of failing at the end of dates, never to see the girl again.
Please don't do this.
I am going to be surprised if you hear from this girl again. You're interactions with her come off as extremely try hard, scripted, and you are missing all the subtext of male-female interactions.
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All this said, man, I think you have tremendous potential. I can tell because you remind me of myself when I first started going on dates with girls.
I ran really bad game, could never figure out why she didn't want to go home with me, and in general was floundering in my interactions. In retrospect, everything I did wrong is now as clear as day. Today I laugh about all the things I did wrong.
But I had to put in the work to get there.
Right now you are putting in that work, making tons of mistakes, saying stupid shit, and.....getting first-hand experience in the process.
I am confident that if you slow down the gears in your head, ease up on the PUA tactics, and continue to go on dates with girls, then in a couple years you'll be the one dishing out advice on this forum, laughing about how far you've come in such a short time.
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My best advice to you remains the same: meet up with some local, highly repped forum members, and hang out with them for a bit. You are going to learn a lot by seeing how other players present themselves and how they handle social interactions.
I love it because it shows me that you're self aware and that you're working hard.
I hate it because you're overthinking things and I can tell you're not present in the moment with these girls.
Instead of flowing, you're analyzing. Instead of understanding the subtext of the interaction, you're filling your head with "kino" and "bait" and all that other lingo.
(07-30-2015 01:57 AM)Jagnum Wrote: I asked if she had “satisfying sex in the last three months” (from Braddock’s questions game). I also asked if she fantasized about sleeping with any of her coworkers.
"Some like it when I kiss them deep in their mouth and pull their hair back, where others like it when I kiss towards the front of the mouth. No matter what, I’m always kissing with passion.”
This is pretty weird, man. Maybe your delivery was good but this is feeling exceptionally cringeworthy to me.
Talking about sex with girls and being sexual with girls are two very different things.
You had already been touching her, which is good, but then you ask if she wants to fuck her coworkers? And also that sometimes you like to stick your tongue down girls throats?
I don't understand what you were hoping to accomplish with this conversation. I'm surprised she didn't leave.
(07-30-2015 01:57 AM)Jagnum Wrote: After we did body backwriting, about 90 minutes in to the date, I needed to pull the trigger, I paused and said,
Why did you need to "pull the trigger?" Is it because that is what you read you are supposed to do? Or because it felt right in the moment?
Do not forget that this girl is a human being, not a robot that you feed a script. She is a product of the environment and everything is contextual.
You need to slow down and take a breath.
You tried to pull her home, and she said no. So instead of chilling out, you waited "2 minutes," and then tried the exact same thing again?
(07-30-2015 01:57 AM)Jagnum Wrote: I climb over to the driver’s seat and whisper in her ear, “Maybe another time.”
Good lord man. This is absurd. She should be climbing over the seat to kiss you, not for you to whisper something lame in her ear after repeatedly telling you she didn't want to go home with you.
(07-30-2015 01:57 AM)Jagnum Wrote: I think the forum would benefit with more conversation examples of responses when she tells you “no” after your invite.
I wrote a thread called Zero Date Bangs as a response to this scenario. I found that on dates, many girls would reject my invite to go home with me.
I could never figure out if it was because they didn't like me, or maybe I ran bad game, or maybe I made it too obvious that sex was on the agenda.
So now I just skip all that shit and invite them directly over to my place, saving myself the despair of failing at the end of dates, never to see the girl again.
(07-30-2015 01:57 AM)Jagnum Wrote: Next time I’ll get her to a second bar, then hit my hands on the bar and say, “You know what — screw it. Let’s check out some of my New York photos and watch an episode of Arrested Development.”
Please don't do this.
(07-30-2015 01:57 AM)Jagnum Wrote: I’ll keep you updated. You guys are all a motivation.
I am going to be surprised if you hear from this girl again. You're interactions with her come off as extremely try hard, scripted, and you are missing all the subtext of male-female interactions.
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All this said, man, I think you have tremendous potential. I can tell because you remind me of myself when I first started going on dates with girls.
I ran really bad game, could never figure out why she didn't want to go home with me, and in general was floundering in my interactions. In retrospect, everything I did wrong is now as clear as day. Today I laugh about all the things I did wrong.
But I had to put in the work to get there.
Right now you are putting in that work, making tons of mistakes, saying stupid shit, and.....getting first-hand experience in the process.
I am confident that if you slow down the gears in your head, ease up on the PUA tactics, and continue to go on dates with girls, then in a couple years you'll be the one dishing out advice on this forum, laughing about how far you've come in such a short time.
----
My best advice to you remains the same: meet up with some local, highly repped forum members, and hang out with them for a bit. You are going to learn a lot by seeing how other players present themselves and how they handle social interactions.
OregonToSoCal · 2015-07-30 17:58:00 · #5966
One of my on again, off again plates sent me this meme today. It's surprisingly red pill and warmed my heart.
![[Image: 2jctut4.jpg]](http://i61.tinypic.com/2jctut4.jpg)
Travesty · 2015-07-30 18:09:00 · #5967
I don't get guys trying to sexualize conversation verbally. I sexualize by making deeper, warmer eye contact and then going for the make out at the right time.
I think talking about sex unless the girl brings it up first is over selling. Even if she brings up sex talk I down play it with stuff like "this is all you think about huh?", lean myself into her and give her inner thigh quick grab while I say it slowly and ease back to more normal conversation if I don't feel like going for the make out right then. It is the male version of being a tease.
I think you are walking through a Fuck Up Minefield when starting or just going along with explicit sexual conversation before a bang.
I think talking about sex unless the girl brings it up first is over selling. Even if she brings up sex talk I down play it with stuff like "this is all you think about huh?", lean myself into her and give her inner thigh quick grab while I say it slowly and ease back to more normal conversation if I don't feel like going for the make out right then. It is the male version of being a tease.
I think you are walking through a Fuck Up Minefield when starting or just going along with explicit sexual conversation before a bang.
OregonToSoCal · 2015-07-30 18:24:00 · #5968
(07-30-2015 06:09 PM)Travesty Wrote: I don't get guys trying to sexualize conversation verbally. I sexualize by making deeper, warmer eye contact and then going for the make out at the right time.
I think talking about sex unless the girl brings it up first is over selling. Even if she brings up sex talk I down play it with stuff like "this is all you think about huh?", lean myself into her and give her inner thigh quick grab while I say it slowly and ease back to more normal conversation if I don't feel like going for the make out right then. It is the male version of being a tease.
I think you are walking through a Fuck Up Minefield when starting or just going along with explicit sexual conversation before a bang.
I totally cosign with this. I made all of those mistakes many times in the past but I now convey my sexual intent through eye contact, touching and body language. It's a fine line to walk talking about sex while not coming across as thirsty.
Noir · 2015-07-31 04:00:00 · #5969
(07-30-2015 06:09 PM)Travesty Wrote: I don't get guys trying to sexualize conversation verbally. I sexualize by making deeper, warmer eye contact and then going for the make out at the right time.
I think talking about sex unless the girl brings it up first is over selling. Even if she brings up sex talk I down play it with stuff like "this is all you think about huh?", lean myself into her and give her inner thigh quick grab while I say it slowly and ease back to more normal conversation if I don't feel like going for the make out right then. It is the male version of being a tease.
I think you are walking through a Fuck Up Minefield when starting or just going along with explicit sexual conversation before a bang.
10/10. It dissipates any sexual tension and that little voices in her head saying
- is he into me
- will he want to fuck me
- when will he make a move
- i hope he is not desperate
The teasing is prime with the frame "you want this but you gotta work for it".
I find bringing up sex makes me seem thirsty.
My MO is direct nonverbals, indirect conversation -> leads her to become sexual -> ramp it up from there with direct everything once isolated.
heavy · 2015-07-31 08:17:00 · #5970
(07-31-2015 04:00 AM)Noir Wrote:(07-30-2015 06:09 PM)Travesty Wrote: I don't get guys trying to sexualize conversation verbally. I sexualize by making deeper, warmer eye contact and then going for the make out at the right time.
I think talking about sex unless the girl brings it up first is over selling. Even if she brings up sex talk I down play it with stuff like "this is all you think about huh?", lean myself into her and give her inner thigh quick grab while I say it slowly and ease back to more normal conversation if I don't feel like going for the make out right then. It is the male version of being a tease.
I think you are walking through a Fuck Up Minefield when starting or just going along with explicit sexual conversation before a bang.
10/10. It dissipates any sexual tension and that little voices in her head saying
- is he into me
- will he want to fuck me
- when will he make a move
- i hope he is not desperate
The teasing is prime with the frame "you want this but you gotta work for it".
I find bringing up sex makes me seem thirsty.
My MO is direct nonverbals, indirect conversation -> leads her to become sexual -> ramp it up from there with direct everything once isolated.
I almost disagreed with this, then I realized I'm the same way.
I never talk about it 1 on 1 gaming with a chic. Never.
However, if I'm with a couple dudes and chics, pseudo gaming (just having fun), I'll bring up sex, usually via a joke referencing bondage or 50 shades or whatever.
That's not going to get you laid, but it might help. But no, one on one I'd never try to sexualize things by talking about sex.
kaotic · 2015-07-31 10:49:00 · #5971
Of the bangs I've had not much touch comes into play, it's conversation, a good laugh, at the expense of her, or a good story.
The laughs at the expense of her end up making her punch/slap my shoulder softly, body language should already be there, she shits closer, leans in, plays with her hair, strong eye contact. You're the prize after all right ?
I might drop a sexual joke in there once or twice, but I also talk about red pill views on the sexes.
The conversation never comes up about positions or who we've fucked (I hope it wouldn't in anyones case). I just let my moves do the talking during the date - venues, bait, etc. Keep it moving till you get home - then it's just no fuck up game.
Always do indirect - never direct when it comes to that - unless she literally is dying to know what you like.
The laughs at the expense of her end up making her punch/slap my shoulder softly, body language should already be there, she shits closer, leans in, plays with her hair, strong eye contact. You're the prize after all right ?
I might drop a sexual joke in there once or twice, but I also talk about red pill views on the sexes.
The conversation never comes up about positions or who we've fucked (I hope it wouldn't in anyones case). I just let my moves do the talking during the date - venues, bait, etc. Keep it moving till you get home - then it's just no fuck up game.
Always do indirect - never direct when it comes to that - unless she literally is dying to know what you like.
~wrIghter~ · 2015-07-31 13:00:00 · #5972
May have something setup this weekend. Problem is, to get back to hers from the Venue I suggested might be a long walk/train trip. This probably won't end as a same day lay but if I play it well enough, I probably could set-up a ZDB the following week.
Travesty · 2015-07-31 14:39:00 · #5973
The paradox is this:
If a girl is warm and comfortable enough to explicitly talk sex with you she is already warm enough to escalate and bang anyways. So if you are getting deep into sex talk with a chick you could have already been banging her.
If she drops sexual bait in text pre-bang and sends a nude my first instinct would be to try to get over ASAP to bang her.
I think there are some newer guys out there so excited to get that nude they would text back a dick pic and jerk off first, think about strategy second.
If a girl is warm and comfortable enough to explicitly talk sex with you she is already warm enough to escalate and bang anyways. So if you are getting deep into sex talk with a chick you could have already been banging her.
If she drops sexual bait in text pre-bang and sends a nude my first instinct would be to try to get over ASAP to bang her.
I think there are some newer guys out there so excited to get that nude they would text back a dick pic and jerk off first, think about strategy second.
kaotic · 2015-07-31 16:05:00 · #5974
Well I almost FINALLY got a new notch but she wasn't having it.
Background:
Tinder - Half Black/Half Italian 6.5 face/ if she had a decent face she'd be for sure 7
Shoulder length thick soft wavy hair
Her body was a legitimate thick - not that bullshit fat thick - nice waist, fat ass, tits to match, skinny arms and face, soft skin also. I'd rate it a for sure 7.
Match Thursday evening>Number close Friday morning> Meet Friday Night
I hit the gym did leg day.
Now 1 potential date flaked, I called another, she was on the fence.
I swing for the fence and call this girl up after I get home.
She's lagging, I tell her she has to buy the first round, drives about 30 mins to a bar less than a mile down the street from my pad.
The meet:
She shows up, a bit disappointing in her face, no makeup, hair barely done.
I don't blame her since she came right out after I called her up.
We both had my usual, she paid for it of course, we chat a bit.
We talk about where we've been, family back grounds, space, etc.
Her father is military....perfect parlay into talking about my rifle I built, she get's excited and wants to see it. I tease saying only if she's lucky.
I drop bait about movies - our drinks are almost done. I ask her about a certain comedy and she said she hasn't seen it.
Time to pull the trigger. I tell her I'll show her my rifle and we'll watch that move, she agrees, and closes our tab.
We get to my house, we check out the stars and the moon, that shit is fascinating to bitches.
Escalation:
Throw on the movie, show her my rifle, we lay down cuddling.
After a little bit, during a convo I say, "well this will shut you up" and start making out with her.
It was push and pull with this one, of course she unconvincingly says "don't do that to my neck it's sensitive" aka please bite my fucking neck and kiss it.
Turns out she's a choker, which means she loves it rough, which means she'll be a plate for sure. I love chocking bitches.
We keep kissing and making out and dry humping.
This is where the struggle starts:
As we're dry humping I whip out her tits, which are decent, she loves me sucking on them, perfect, start rubbing her pussy over her tights, she pulls my hands away few times, but doesn't say no.
I froze her out for a bit by just making out with me on top, then I whip out my dick and she starts jacking me as I rub her pussy.
I tried twice to get my hand down her pants, both were met with a firm but laughing no. Freeze her out again and we get hot heavy again and tell her to get naked, not happening.
I said, "you aren't helping me out lol" I was tired, it was getting late, fuck it, I guide her face to my dick.
....and got an amazingly sloppy and explosive blowjob AND she swallowed like a good little girl, she was surprised how much cum I put her mouth.
Fuck the sex at this point, she fucking drained me. Not to mention my legs are still dead from my leg workout. We lay there for a bit and I kick her out.
Next round will be a new new notch.
TL;DR
24 hour turnaround on Tinder> she buys my drinks> GREAT blowjob
Background:
Tinder - Half Black/Half Italian 6.5 face/ if she had a decent face she'd be for sure 7
Shoulder length thick soft wavy hair
Her body was a legitimate thick - not that bullshit fat thick - nice waist, fat ass, tits to match, skinny arms and face, soft skin also. I'd rate it a for sure 7.
Match Thursday evening>Number close Friday morning> Meet Friday Night
I hit the gym did leg day.
Now 1 potential date flaked, I called another, she was on the fence.
I swing for the fence and call this girl up after I get home.
She's lagging, I tell her she has to buy the first round, drives about 30 mins to a bar less than a mile down the street from my pad.
The meet:
She shows up, a bit disappointing in her face, no makeup, hair barely done.
I don't blame her since she came right out after I called her up.
We both had my usual, she paid for it of course, we chat a bit.
We talk about where we've been, family back grounds, space, etc.
Her father is military....perfect parlay into talking about my rifle I built, she get's excited and wants to see it. I tease saying only if she's lucky.
I drop bait about movies - our drinks are almost done. I ask her about a certain comedy and she said she hasn't seen it.
Time to pull the trigger. I tell her I'll show her my rifle and we'll watch that move, she agrees, and closes our tab.
We get to my house, we check out the stars and the moon, that shit is fascinating to bitches.
Escalation:
Throw on the movie, show her my rifle, we lay down cuddling.
After a little bit, during a convo I say, "well this will shut you up" and start making out with her.
It was push and pull with this one, of course she unconvincingly says "don't do that to my neck it's sensitive" aka please bite my fucking neck and kiss it.
Turns out she's a choker, which means she loves it rough, which means she'll be a plate for sure. I love chocking bitches.
We keep kissing and making out and dry humping.
This is where the struggle starts:
As we're dry humping I whip out her tits, which are decent, she loves me sucking on them, perfect, start rubbing her pussy over her tights, she pulls my hands away few times, but doesn't say no.
I froze her out for a bit by just making out with me on top, then I whip out my dick and she starts jacking me as I rub her pussy.
I tried twice to get my hand down her pants, both were met with a firm but laughing no. Freeze her out again and we get hot heavy again and tell her to get naked, not happening.
I said, "you aren't helping me out lol" I was tired, it was getting late, fuck it, I guide her face to my dick.
....and got an amazingly sloppy and explosive blowjob AND she swallowed like a good little girl, she was surprised how much cum I put her mouth.
Fuck the sex at this point, she fucking drained me. Not to mention my legs are still dead from my leg workout. We lay there for a bit and I kick her out.
Next round will be a new new notch.
TL;DR
24 hour turnaround on Tinder> she buys my drinks> GREAT blowjob
kaotic · 2015-07-31 16:14:00 · #5975
(07-31-2015 02:39 PM)Travesty Wrote: The paradox is this:
If a girl is warm and comfortable enough to explicitly talk sex with you she is already warm enough to escalate and bang anyways. So if you are getting deep into sex talk with a chick you could have already been banging her.
If she drops sexual bait in text pre-bang and sends a nude my first instinct would be to try to get over ASAP to bang her.
I think there are some newer guys out there so excited to get that nude they would text back a dick pic and jerk off first, think about strategy second.
I agree with the bolded statements so much !
Yeah but you have to play it cool when she sends nudes, lord knows she's sending those to other dudes.
I always mess with them jokingly and have them send me a legit one, it shows I know the deal, and I'm not thirsty:
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If some girl sends nudes, put her to the top of the "strike while the iron is hot list"
That last part made laugh haha. But it's true, I don't think I've ever sent a potential notch a dick pic.