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Praetor Lupus · 2018-04-17 15:32:00 · #840
Trump's constant haranguing of Kim Jong-Un has led to nuclear war between North Korea and the western powers, and eradicated all life on earth.

Oh wait, no it hasn't.

Another magic wand he has that Obama, no doubt, did not.
TravelerKai · 2018-04-17 16:25:00 · #841
This is huge news, but no doubt he MSM is more likely to run non stop coverage of pornstar THOTs and Trump.

This likely means that the massive artillery on both sides will be moved away and that DMZ turned into a formal regular border.

I just hope the West does not try to fuck it up somehow by screwing up the negotiations. I like how Trump is being positive right now. That is super helpful.

Still have to see if the ink will dry, but so far so good.
Foolsgo1d · 2018-04-17 16:45:00 · #842
(04-17-2018 03:32 PM)Praetor Lupus Wrote:  Trump's constant haranguing of Kim Jong-Un has led to nuclear war between North Korea and the western powers, and eradicated all life on earth.

Oh wait, no it hasn't.

Another magic wand he has that Obama, no doubt, did not.

Trump froced the Chinese to force Kim. Pretty sure the Chinese don't like those battlegroups near their South China sea.
Enigma · 2018-04-17 17:09:00 · #843
I've seen a lot of chatter claiming that when the tunnel collapsed in NK in late 2017, killing 200 workers, it was actually the US remotely detonating one of NK's nuke projects.

I haven't seen any definitive evidence, but that does make sense given the quick 180 from Kim.
Handsome Creepy Eel · 2018-04-18 05:42:00 · #844
Now this is the kind of achievement that Nobel Peace Prizes should be given for. Of course, there's zero chance the globalist minions will award one to Trump.
Leonard D Neubache · 2018-04-18 06:39:00 · #845
They'll give that plum to Little Rocket Man.

Laugh4
Ice Man · 2018-04-18 06:43:00 · #846
^Close- they will give the Peace Prize to Kim's sister, in no small part for being "strong" in giving Pence side-eye at the Olympics. They will say that she was the catalyst for it all. So brave.
fokker · 2018-04-18 06:47:00 · #847
We'll all have to see how Kim Ju-ae, Jong-un's daughter, will do on the world stage, since she's most likely to become President once JU either dies or gets too old to rule NK anymore. That won't happen for another 40 years or so.

Will she continue the Juche shit, or will she further open NK to the outside world?
Leonard D Neubache · 2018-04-18 06:56:00 · #848
A prize pig to the first member to get the Kim Yo-jong flag.

Reckon she likes it rougher than a Marine occupation.

(04-18-2018 06:47 AM)fokker Wrote:  We'll all have to see how Kim Ju-ae, Jong-un's daughter, will do on the world stage, since she's most likely to become President once JU either dies or gets too old to rule NK anymore. That won't happen for another 40 years or so.

Will she continue the Juche shit, or will she further open NK to the outside world?

Give her a Tinder account and the country will be a western cesspit in less than a week.
TravelerKai · 2018-04-18 07:18:00 · #849
(04-17-2018 05:09 PM)Enigma Wrote:  I've seen a lot of chatter claiming that when the tunnel collapsed in NK in late 2017, killing 200 workers, it was actually the US remotely detonating one of NK's nuke projects.

I haven't seen any definitive evidence, but that does make sense given the quick 180 from Kim.

If that is true, that is raw as fuck.
Simeon_Strangelight · 2018-04-18 13:29:00 · #850
(04-18-2018 07:18 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(04-17-2018 05:09 PM)Enigma Wrote:  I've seen a lot of chatter claiming that when the tunnel collapsed in NK in late 2017, killing 200 workers, it was actually the US remotely detonating one of NK's nuke projects.

I haven't seen any definitive evidence, but that does make sense given the quick 180 from Kim.

If that is true, that is raw as fuck.

Would not surprise me. The North Koreans won't admit it, because that would make them lose face. Besides - it's not as if it's so incredibly difficult to subvert people in North Korea. There are likely countless agents milling around North Korea financed by the South, the US and by China. When you have people as poor as that, then it's comically easy. Also - there are plenty of routes to smuggle people off the country.

I doubt that North Korea is much of a threat to anyone. China is utterly unconcerned about them and that means that they know more about the state of their program than Kim Jong funny-hair. Any announcement of theirs and the other side is the usual neocon rattling to get an increase in military funding.
DamienCasanova · 2018-04-18 13:45:00 · #851
(04-18-2018 01:29 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  
(04-18-2018 07:18 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(04-17-2018 05:09 PM)Enigma Wrote:  I've seen a lot of chatter claiming that when the tunnel collapsed in NK in late 2017, killing 200 workers, it was actually the US remotely detonating one of NK's nuke projects.

I haven't seen any definitive evidence, but that does make sense given the quick 180 from Kim.

If that is true, that is raw as fuck.

Would not surprise me. The North Koreans won't admit it, because that would make them lose face. Besides - it's not as if it's so incredibly difficult to subvert people in North Korea. There are likely countless agents milling around North Korea financed by the South, the US and by China. When you have people as poor as that, then it's comically easy. Also - there are plenty of routes to smuggle people off the country.

I doubt that North Korea is much of a threat to anyone. China is utterly unconcerned about them and that means that they know more about the state of their program than Kim Jong funny-hair. Any announcement of theirs and the other side is the usual neocon rattling to get an increase in military funding.

It was rumored they tested out the Thor Weapon on the nuke site, aka Rods From God. They drop Tungsten Rods on a target from space, and they hit with the devastation of a meteor strike, without the radiation from a nuclear bomb.

The North Koreans were ready to shelve their nuclear program the next day....

https://taskandpurpose.com/kinetic-bomba...-weaponry/

In the 1950s, Jerry Pournelle imagined the military equivalent of the extinction of the dinosaurs.

Toiling away as a Boeing operations researcher in the afterglow of the Manhattan Project and the Soviet Union’s First Lightning nuclear test in 1949, the U.S. Army veteran envisioned a weapons system armed not with munitions and other chemical explosives, but massive rods forged from heavy metals dropped from sub-orbital heights. Those “tungsten thunderbolts,” as the New York Times called them, would impact enemy strongholds below with the devastating velocity of a dino-exterminating impact, obliterating highly fortified targets — like, say, Iranian centrifuges or North Korean bunkers — without the mess of nuclear fallout.

Pournelle, whose years of experience in aerospace would fuel a career as a journalist and military science fiction writer, named his superweapon “Project Thor.” Others just called it “Rods From God.” In reality, weapons researchers refer to it as a “kinetic energy projectile”: a super-dense, super-fast projectile that, operating free of complex systems and volatile chemicals, destroys everything in its path.


And gravity hasn’t always been necessary. For decades, militaries have used ultra-dense “kinetic energy penetrators,” also known as KEPs, specially designed shells often wrapped in an outer shell (a “sabot”) and fired at high velocity rather than dropped from the sky, to defeat defense armor. That’s the fundamental logic underpinning the U.S. Navy’s highly touted electromagnetic railgun, which can blast a 25-pound “hypervelocity projectile” with 32-megajoule muzzle energy through seven steel plates and obliterate whatever that armor is supposed to protect.

Whether dropped from the sky or fired from a cannon, the principle behind these weapons is the same: hitting the enemy with something very hard and very dense, moving very fast. And the kinetic energy projectile may become a staple of modern warfare sooner than you might think.

“The classic way of delivering hurt against a target has been to pack a lot of chemical explosive into a container of some kind, a barrel or a cannonball or steel bomb,” Weingart told Task & Purpose in a phone interview. “The violence comes from the chemical explosive inside that bomb sending off a blast wave, followed by the fragments of the bomb case. But the difference with kinetic energy projectiles is that the warhead arrives at the target moving very, very fast — the energy is there to propel those fragments without the use of a chemical explosive to accelerate them. The more mass, the more violence.”

The concept of the hypersonic impact that defined Project Thor and its devastating potential hasn’t been lost on defense officials. Military researchers are continuing to explore battlefield applications that “take advantage of high terminal speeds to deliver much more energy onto a target than the chemical explosives they carry would deliver alone,” as Army Maj. Gen. William Hix put it at the Booz Allen Hamilton Direct Energy Summit in March.

“Think of it as a big shotgun shell,” Hix told the assembled crowd. “Not much can survive it. If you’re in a main battle tank, if you’re a crew member, you might survive but the vehicle will be non-mission capable, and everything below that level of protection will be dead. That’s what I am talking about.”
TravelerKai · 2018-04-18 14:24:00 · #852
So that is why Russia was threatening to stop tungsten shipments to America? Or was that titanium? I do not recall where I saw that either...
Leonard D Neubache · 2018-04-18 20:57:00 · #853
What comes down must first go up. Not that I doubt the US has the resources to put heavy stuff in space, but it makes me wonder where and how they're sending these rods up, and for that matter how long and heavy each rod is.

I recall hearing some time ago that slugs fired from battleships are typically solid. No explosives or anything like that. Apparently there's nothing they can put in them short of a nuke that would yield more force than the pure metal when those kinds of kinetic deliveries are concerned. Obviously that limits you to ground strikes but if it's true it's still amazing. The main gun on a battleship can apparently level a city block in one hit although I don't have a source on that.

Still, guided long range missiles are not going away any time soon. Meanwhile battleships have arguably become obsolete. Those main guns are impressive but in modern terms their range is severely limited and you need to maintain a bloody big ship to cart them around. Even aircraft carriers are a tool of empire maintenance and will likely end up at the bottom of the ocean fifteen minutes into a serious war.

Bond-style superweapons like this rod-delivering satellite will also end up being junk a few minutes into a real war. They are a nice arrow to have in the quiver during times like these for precisely the kind of application suggested above, but they're an easy target for an adversary with a modern military.
Praetor Lupus · 2018-04-21 01:28:00 · #854

Your daily reminder that Trump's presence on the world stage will definitely cause WW3.
Pride male · 2018-04-21 02:25:00 · #855
I dont get these North Koreans, wouldnt they want to be like South Korea, making Samsung, Kia, Hyundai?
Mage · 2018-04-21 07:21:00 · #856
(04-21-2018 02:25 AM)Pride male Wrote:  I dont get these North Koreans, wouldnt they want to be like South Korea, making Samsung, Kia, Hyundai?

Nah, those puny companies haven't made single nuke yet.
getdownonit · 2018-04-26 22:52:00 · #857
https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-south...1524749462





Korean leaders Kim Jong Un, Moon Jae-in meet for historic summit

Kim's looking healthy
rainy · 2018-04-26 23:45:00 · #858
The opportunity for slaying NK flags may soon be upon us.
sterling_archer · 2018-04-27 01:09:00 · #859
Hear me out on this. What if, just if, is Kim Jong Un draining his swamp? Think about it, he cultivates the image of dear leader but that may be a tradition he is obliged to do. He knows that NK people could totally lose their minds if they are suddenly presented with alternative system, so he slowly transitions from dictatorship to something more benevolent ("democracy").
During that time, he is also dealing with and/or executing people that are actually driving NK in the same direction in last 60 years or so. Those generals around him, that uncle he executed are IMO military industrial complex of his nation and true rulers and "swamp".

At the same time we may be having same thing with Crown Prince in Saudia Arabia. There are uncanny resemblances.
eradicator · 2018-04-27 03:50:00 · #860
So far this is all for show and window dressing and NK seems unlikely to give up their nuclear arsenal as that is their o e bargaining chip. Their testing facility is on a mountain that collapsed and it is likely no longer usable so they are offering to give up testing there. We will see if anything comes from this but unless they actually give up their nukes it is all a meaningless show.
Syberpunk · 2018-04-27 05:16:00 · #861
(04-27-2018 01:09 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  He knows that NK people could totally lose their minds if they are suddenly presented with alternative system, so he slowly transitions from dictatorship to something more benevolent ("democracy").

I don't think he particularly cares about the mental health of the NK people, kind of reminds me of how some people here say "the normies aren't ready to be woken, go slow", looking at them like they're cattle and dullards who never had a moment in their lives where the boats were rocked for them (often their whole lives have been nothing but suffering). Many NK know what the outside world is like anyway.

He's not transitioning out of the good of his heart, only doing so he doesn't get his head strung up, rather than dropping the curtain. "Why did you have us in concentration camps and force us to fuck each other?" Kim Jung: "Because I could"
CynicalContrarian · 2018-04-27 06:31:00 · #862
I can just imagine the no. of soycialist activists out there, that are more dismayed at Trump's relative success at foreign policy, as opposed to any beneficial outcomes.

Whether it be trade, no new Middle East wars or the calm over Korea.
Duke Castile · 2018-04-27 08:40:00 · #863
Remember when leftists were saying it’s a terrible idea for the President to reach out unilaterally. It’s a bad idea because his cabinent hasn’t been fixed and on and on

And now we have the beginings of peace there.
Mage · 2018-04-27 09:08:00 · #864
It's so funny to see Kim near another world leader, he looks so clumsy.

I wonder if this get's translated in North Korea too and what the North Korean's will think when they see that the other leader is less fat, carries himself with more dignity, is better dressed and that everything is more awesome in South.

Or is their starved perception so twisted that in their view every fat person = deity and dream of otherworldly bliss.
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