Post: #576

If the deliberate murder of an American citizen by the NK government doesn't spur Trump to action I will be disappointed. As another poster said in another thread, he didn't die from street violence or a car accident. It was murder by the government who issued a US citizen a tourist visa. A complete travel ban of both NK nationals to the US and US passport holders to NK is the absolute minimum response.

Post: #577

^^^

It would be an interesting wedge on the Left for Trump to impose a travel ban to and from North Korea. If they objected to the ban in view of current events they're complete idiots. If they don't object, they're hypocrites.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #578

Outside of a travel ban, what else can he really do though? He already pressured China to stop buying their coal, and its not like we are goinf to start a nuclear war with them over this.

Post: #579

The travel ban is certainly a good start.

Post: #580

(06-20-2017 09:37 PM)Repo Wrote:  Outside of a travel ban, what else can he really do though? He already pressured China to stop buying their coal, and its not like we are goinf to start a nuclear war with them over this.

When would be a good time? Whenever they have developed a missile that can hit the US?

Post: #581

(06-20-2017 10:34 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 09:37 PM)Repo Wrote:  Outside of a travel ban, what else can he really do though? He already pressured China to stop buying their coal, and its not like we are goinf to start a nuclear war with them over this.

When would be a good time? Whenever they have developed a missile that can hit the US?

No, thirty minutes before that.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #582

The travel ban won't help solve the problem in the long term. Some voices are calling for a military strike or severe sanctions against Chinese companies doing business with NK. Either choice would make China very angry.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/high-noon-i...dy-for-war

Quote:There are many “non-kinetic” options. The most effective of them restrict the flow of funds to the Pyongyang regime. The U.S. can, as Secretary of State Rex Tillerson suggested Wednesday, prevent Americans from traveling to North Korea. The administration can also tighten sanctions on the North. Moreover, it can do a far better job of enforcing existing measures designed to stanch the flow of funds into Kim regime coffers.

All of these measures would help, of course, but the big flows of cash to North Korea originate from China or pass through Chinese financial institutions. Bank of China, one of China’s “Big Four” banks, was named in a recent U.N. panel report for its active participation in a conspiracy to hide illicit money transfers for North Korea.

Chinese banks in the border city of Dandong have regularly handled funds for suspicious transactions involving the North.

And Chinese banks were almost certainly involved in the February 2016 cybertheft of $81 million from the account of the central bank of Bangladesh at the New York Federal Reserve Bank. U.S. officials think North Korea was the mastermind but that Chinese middlemen helped “orchestrate the theft.” If Chinese middlemen orchestrated, Chinese banks were almost certainly participants in the crime.

So to starve Pyongyang into disarming, Trump will have to go after China.

He already has the tools to do so. By doing nothing more than enforcing U.S. law, Trump could put Chinese banks out of business by denying them access to their dollar accounts in New York.

Trump administration officials, to their credit, have talked about unplugging Chinese banks, but there is no indication they have now summoned the considerable political will necessary to act.

The failure to summon political will to impose costs on China means Trump, if he honors his promise to disarm North Korea, will eventually have to resort to “kinetic” options, perhaps soon.

Eric Bolling will not be surprised if Trump uses force. “It may be time for a preemptive strike,” the Fox News anchor, obviously angered by the North’s treatment of Warmbier, said Monday on air.

Is war really the next step? Perhaps so, if for no other reason than the Kim regime has looked unstable for some time. If it is in fact unstable, it will not be able to deal with the international community in good faith. If it cannot deal with the international community in good faith, the chances for of any negotiated settlement with the Trump administration appear slim.

Warmbier is the first detained American civilian known to have been killed by the North Koreans. His killing suggests, among other things, that something is wrong in Pyongyang. Kim Jong Un, at the very least, now looks reckless and dangerous.

So any decision by Trump to use force could trigger history’s next great conflict. Decisions on North Korea are about to become extraordinarily consequential.

Scary stuff. I don't see how this ends well, and this NK situation really defies the easy globalist-Neocon/nationalist narrative that dominates discussions about the Middle East, Europe, and Russia.

Post: #583

Their missiles always end up a few hundred miles offshore. You'll hear about them a lot, then nothing. Never know with Mr Sumo. Hard to tell what's real in the modern era.

Post: #584

(06-21-2017 07:20 AM)underboss Wrote:  Their missiles always end up a few hundred miles offshore. You'll hear about them a lot, then nothing. Never know with Mr Sumo. Hard to tell what's real in the modern era.

Didn't you just leave an epic rant in the Trump thread about how Donald was controlled opposition and infowars was fake?

Quote:Trump was chosen. He was the right man to stooge for the elites.

Post: #585

(06-21-2017 09:20 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 07:20 AM)underboss Wrote:  Their missiles always end up a few hundred miles offshore. You'll hear about them a lot, then nothing. Never know with Mr Sumo. Hard to tell what's real in the modern era.

Didn't you just leave an epic rant in the Trump thread about how Donald was controlled opposition and infowars was fake?

Quote:Trump was chosen. He was the right man to stooge for the elites.

That's exactly what he's doing. Infowars is entertainment.

NK is basically a sideshow in the psyOp.

They get re-invoked every few weeks for the same thing.

Jong Un's latest missile went a few hundred miles.

OR

Dennis Rodman visits the hermit state once again.

Post: #586

(06-15-2017 11:45 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

Only 10 died of pneumonia afterwards.
Totally worth it giving our life for our great leader!