(06-16-2016 05:35 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Well in Texas at least, you cannot bring any gun inside a 51% place.

What's a 51% place?

A place that makes 51% or more of its sales or profits, in alcohol consumption. Basically bars. A liquor store is okay, but a place that serves and makes that much of their business, is off limits for carrying.

(06-16-2016 04:58 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 04:30 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  The problem with gun control is that it never ends, and the people who enact this stuff usually know nothing about firearms.

Prevent people on the watch list from buying. OK.

Then they can buy from an individual. So you ban all private sales and say it's enacting "universal background checks."

But you still have illegal straw purchases. So then you have get rid of the guns in circulation.

Enact an "assault weapons ban" so people can't have flash hiders or bayonet mounts. But the guns are functionally the same. Plus someone could kill just as many people with several pistols. It doesn't work.

So then...you have to ban all semiautomatics, and people are stuck with 100+ year old technology for defense.

I get what you are saying but it is a little more nuanced than that. In this case, you are trying to control access to legal purchased firearms to known dangerous terrorists. The secret villain on no one's watchlist getting guns is always going to be a problem. The objective should be to close this "common sense" loophole in a manner that won't impede a legitimate citizen from gaining access.

The fact that a guy on a terror watch list, getting radical inside our country, obtained a state gun license because he had no felonies, is an obvious hole in our legal system. His license should have had some action taken upon it or something else. Would it have stopped this killer? Probably not, but that hole still needs to be addressed or filled in some way.

People will always be able to buy hot guns, ghost guns (no serials or fake ones), and other illegal weapons from places like Arizona, SF, etc. from illegal sellers. On paper there are laws for this, just need better enforcement. Once terrorists start using avenues like this, then we are going to have to go back to the drawing board again and address that. Let's get that low hanging fruit first.

Want we do not need to do is adopt a "fuck it" attitude in either direction, for or against gun control. We have not banned cars and drunk driving is a bigger problem. Sometimes laws don't work, but creative incentives might (ie public transportation). Outright banning guns or even all forms of Islam is not feasible. Americans should be able to put some braintrust together and do better than this. When guys think stuff like, "it's just fags, I don't care much." That misses the big picture. Today it's gays, tomorrow it will be some other group the Muslims will hate.

If an immigration ban ends up being the best workable solution, and we just have to constantly wack and track the ones here already, that get radical as they spring up, so be it! We still need to think through all the possible options and do the due diligence to close any holes and outstanding issues.

You hit the "hole" in the system: unchecked illegal and legal immigration from places known to be hostile to the US.

The Second Amendment has worked fine for Americans for hundreds of years. We just have to keep America full of American people with American values.

The Anonymous Conservative isn't fucking around in this article.

The worst mass shooting incident in history is the only one where the first gay guy to escape barred the back door and then stood there holding it shut while listening to everyone else trapped inside beat on it as they were desperately trying to get out.

This is the first mass shooter incident where the only way out was past the shooter, who was mowing people down left and right. That is why there were 50 dead.

Everyone needs to blame that little gay Mexican as much as the gunman, and point out his complicity is as great as the shooter’s, and far more than the gun’s complicity. I’d call for a ban on little gay cowards who are out for themselves, before we ban any guns, and point out that it would probably have saved more lives in this case.

That is an amygdala hijack which will make any leftist thus confronted not want to talk about it anymore. Either they need to defend a gay guy whose textbook selfish rabbit behavior was wholly indefensible, or they need to acknowledge his behavior, which itself is hijacking to them, because they know they would do the exact same thing. That subtle sense that you are calling attention to the leftist’s innate cowardice is guaranteed to be immensely triggering, and produce an immediate retreat.

It isn’t as satisfying as full on K-selection, but until the Apocalypse starts, it would be enough.

(06-16-2016 07:14 PM)JacksonRev Wrote:  You hit the "hole" in the system: unchecked illegal and legal immigration from places known to be hostile to the US.

The Second Amendment has worked fine for Americans for hundreds of years. We just have to keep America full of American people with American values.

It's not a hole. It's a feature, not a bug, of the Alinsky model that Obola is following. He WANTS the non-Americans to exploit the system in order to collapse it. This is the Cloward-Piven strategy. This is their end-run around the Second Amendment. Flood the country with unAmerican crazies who exploit the right to bear arms so that the voters will vote to repeal it. This isn't accidental. They planned this. Just like when Cloward and Piven flooded the New York welfare rolls in an effort to collapse the state economy. This is how the left does war. This is no accident. Alinsky taught them to collapse the system so that they could build their "utopia" from the ashes.

(06-16-2016 07:30 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  The Anonymous Conservative isn't fucking around in this article.

The worst mass shooting incident in history is the only one where the first gay guy to escape barred the back door and then stood there holding it shut while listening to everyone else trapped inside beat on it as they were desperately trying to get out.

This is the first mass shooter incident where the only way out was past the shooter, who was mowing people down left and right. That is why there were 50 dead.

Everyone needs to blame that little gay Mexican as much as the gunman, and point out his complicity is as great as the shooter’s, and far more than the gun’s complicity. I’d call for a ban on little gay cowards who are out for themselves, before we ban any guns, and point out that it would probably have saved more lives in this case.

That is an amygdala hijack which will make any leftist thus confronted not want to talk about it anymore. Either they need to defend a gay guy whose textbook selfish rabbit behavior was wholly indefensible, or they need to acknowledge his behavior, which itself is hijacking to them, because they know they would do the exact same thing. That subtle sense that you are calling attention to the leftist’s innate cowardice is guaranteed to be immensely triggering, and produce an immediate retreat.

It isn’t as satisfying as full on K-selection, but until the Apocalypse starts, it would be enough.

When it was mentioned earlier in the thread, I had just put it off as nonsense. Like some stupid witness horseshit, or something people would say if they were having trouble opening a door.
Someone actually held the door closed, trapping people inside.
That's some serious fucked up shit. Dude needs to be arrested and put on trial immediately! That's the kind of shit that needs to be made an example of, for the good of society.

(06-16-2016 02:32 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  

Any man who has done as many drugs as Bob Weir has done for as long as he has done them is legally retarded. Then add the social isolation of being a wealthy celebrity for his entire life and the social retardedness is amplified by a power of ten. He has as much intellectual credibility as a pet dog. Just sing your songs Bob, so that the other legally retarded kidults can sway badly to them. Try not to pass out in the middle of a set.

(06-16-2016 07:44 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 07:30 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  The Anonymous Conservative isn't fucking around in this article.

The worst mass shooting incident in history is the only one where the first gay guy to escape barred the back door and then stood there holding it shut while listening to everyone else trapped inside beat on it as they were desperately trying to get out.

This is the first mass shooter incident where the only way out was past the shooter, who was mowing people down left and right. That is why there were 50 dead.

Everyone needs to blame that little gay Mexican as much as the gunman, and point out his complicity is as great as the shooter’s, and far more than the gun’s complicity. I’d call for a ban on little gay cowards who are out for themselves, before we ban any guns, and point out that it would probably have saved more lives in this case.

That is an amygdala hijack which will make any leftist thus confronted not want to talk about it anymore. Either they need to defend a gay guy whose textbook selfish rabbit behavior was wholly indefensible, or they need to acknowledge his behavior, which itself is hijacking to them, because they know they would do the exact same thing. That subtle sense that you are calling attention to the leftist’s innate cowardice is guaranteed to be immensely triggering, and produce an immediate retreat.

It isn’t as satisfying as full on K-selection, but until the Apocalypse starts, it would be enough.

When it was mentioned earlier in the thread, I had just put it off as nonsense. Like some stupid witness horseshit, or something people would say if they were having trouble opening a door.
Someone actually held the door closed, trapping people inside.
That's some serious fucked up shit. Dude needs to be arrested and put on trial immediately! That's the kind of shit that needs to be made an example of, for the good of society.

Yeah but how does a "little gay coward" hold a door closed with multiple people on the other side fighting for their lives trying to push through, kick it down and shoulder ram it?

Wouldn't 3 or 4 skinny little fags on the other side be able to knock 1 coward faggot over?

I guess it's just insane to me because our minds don't work that way. The scared rabbit self-preservation of these r-selected people is unknown to most of us.

To think they were standing there holding the door while people yelled for help, how many times could that happen? They just waited there listening til the people stopped screaming and died? Repeatedly?

Maybe he pad locked the door on the way out or jammed it shut somehow, but there's no way he was Hodor'ing it and holding back more than 1 or 2 people by himself.

And if they locked it, why not just run the fuck away? If that is what happened though, yeah fuck that little homo, throw the book at him too

I thought about that too, but it was probably a security door, with the kind of handle that you can just hold up on or something. Just stick a bar under it.
Was he saying someone was helping him do it too?
edit:

Quote:Patron: We just started pushing and pushing and then when we got that 10 second break we went to this alleyway which led for only employees and we tried, me and this random guy, tried blocking the door. At that point like I said the bullets were getting louder and closer. So we blocked this door and we did hear banging. I pray it wasn’t anyone trying to escape because I would forever feel guilty.

Not sure if this was in the thread:

Quote:The owner of a Florida gun store said he tried to alert the FBI to a "very suspicious" man later identified as Orlando nightclub shooter Omar Mateen after Mateen tried to buy body armor and bulk ammunition from the store.

Robert Abell, a co-owner of Lotus Gunworks in Jensen Beach, Florida, told ABC News today that a man entered the store five or six weeks ago and asked specific questions about high-end body armor. When employees said the store didn't carry the body armor he wanted, Abell said, the man made a phone call in a foreign language, hung up and then asked about ammunition in bulk.

Abell said a member of his staff thought the questions were "odd" and made him uncomfortable, so he turned the man away.

Abell added that they thought the man was "very suspicious," so they called the local FBI office in West Palm Beach and reported the incident. But they didn't have the man's name, since no sale was made, and the only surveillance footage they had was grainy.

"We gave them information and everything that took place, and that was the end of the conversation," he said.

There was a follow-up conversation with agents, Abell said, but the FBI never visited the store or investigated further.

https://gma.yahoo.com/orlando-shooter-tu...ries.html#

Gonna ask the same damn question I asked elsewhere: Why the fuck am I paying 40%+ of my income for these assholes to "protect" me and work their way into taking my only means of real self defense away?

These three quotes from earlier in the thread caught my eye:

(06-12-2016 09:52 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  The sickest aspect of this event hit me when I watched NBC interviews. Call me crazy, but people in the club and nearby were being interviewed - by multiple reporters - they had a smirk (as in choking back a smile), as in excitement, to either be on TV or thrilled by the insanity of the event (or just that gay they can't hide their "happiness").

(06-12-2016 10:57 PM)Clockwerk Wrote:  Can someone explain to me how 200+ people are not able to vacate a club within a three hour time period and allow themselves to be shot?

(06-12-2016 11:19 PM)weambulance Wrote:  It's also normal in an active shooter situation for people to just sit there and let themselves get shot. That's exactly how it went for most of the victims at VA Tech, for example.

Pathetic how so many would just wait to die instead of formulating a plan. They had hours. From the interview earlier in the thread with the guy who was holed up with a group in the bathroom, we know that all they did was hide in the stalls like sitting ducks, even as they heard the shooter getting closer and closer. How about: okay, the three of us will be on this side of the door when he comes in ... and you three on the other side ... and just tackle him. Yeah, some of us will die but not all of us. Otherwise we're all going down. Sounds like a no brainer.

Quote:Via Daniel Hopsicker’s MadCowNews:

The father of the man who slaughtered 50 people in the Orlando nightclub shooting Saturday night is a longtime CIA asset, whose TV show receives funding from the Voice of America -Dari. Pictured below is Seddique Mateen with California Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher.

The identification of shooter Omar Mateen also involved deception. He was said to work for a security company called G4S, which few have ever heard of. However, “G4S” is merely a re-branded “Wackenhut Corporation,” a name with a storied reputation for scandal in the U.S. and around the world.

Rohrabacher has stated that he sees radical Islam as the source of a major terrorist threat to the U.S. Calls to his office today to request comment on whether he views CIA assets relocated in the U.S. as a terrorist threat have not been returned.

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/homegrown...set_062016

http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/06/13/orl...cia-asset/

ElFlaco. Listen to what Jesse Hughes, who lived through the Bataclan massacre as a performing musician, had to say about that:

(06-16-2016 02:26 AM)Sean Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 02:23 AM)kaotic Wrote:  You realize this affects us all right ? Not just those LGBT.

The fact that some crazy mother fucking Islamist Terrorist blew away that many people in a night club is another wake up call, of what we imported and created.

You should care, you should see how the current administration and media are acting.

This isn't a yawn moment. This is a very critical moment for our country and yours.

Especially with Trump's incoming presidency and Americans being sick and tired of being told lies and fed BS.

You're in this fight whether you like it or not. This isn't something you wave your hand to go away at.

As a practicing, Bible believing Christian, this world means little. If two hordes of those that hate those of us like me get into a gunfight (albeit one sided...), not my problem. ZFG. Both groups involved, Muslims and homosexuals, hate western civilization, hate the Christian morality that made the world west of the Danube, and hate pretty much all 10 Amendments of your Bill of Rights.

You want me to worry about what they think? How many of those killed, Mateen included and his family, do you think voted for McCain or Romney? Losers, both, but not Obama and his entourage. How many do you think would vote to repeal the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th thru 8 inclusive amendments if it meant that Christians, Alt-Righters and Republicans would be punished? I'd say north of 85%.

You want me to care about them? Nope, not even a bit. Again, sad they died, human life is precious but anything else? Nothing.

We have very different opinions on this matter.

First, you say "As a practicing, Bible believing Christian, this world means little" as if to imply that bible believing Christians don't care about this world. Even though I'm not one I'd argue that the vast vast majority of bible believing Christians do care about this world and do care about what happens here and now and the future on this planet. That kind of apocalyptic disregard for this world strikes me as anti life.

Second, Kaotic is right, this is not just an attack on gays, it's an attack on our societies and ways of life and it's an attack on our freedoms and culture. Men having sex with each other disgust me but I want to live in a world where they have the freedom to do it if they so want to without being slaughtered (as long as it's in private and the whole gay lifestyle thing is not constantly shoved down our throats at every moment). Just because you don't approve of them it doesn't mean you shouldn't care, Islam is at war with everyone, gays, women, blacks, whites, asians, christians, hindus, anything else that's not islamic and even other muslims. This affects us all.

Rare moment of amusing sanity from a woman on the subject of "We all just need to love more to stop ISIS:"

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezv...6130281568

Quote:As the frequency of these attacks increases, so do the common responses. A growing trend among these is that love is the only antidote for terrorist hatred. Certainly, the victims of these attacks need the utmost love and solidarity. However, showing love toward victims is not the only story put forth by commentators.

In his viral speech about overcoming ISIL with love, Waleed Aly said “preaching hate at a time when what we actually need is more love, you’re helping ISIL.”

The notion that each of us is responsible for moderating our emotional response to terrorism lest we increase the risk of more violence, is precisely the attitude that lies at the heart of victim-blaming.

“You’d better be loving and keep quiet or else you might set him off worse than before” is exactly the kind of psychological manipulation used against battered spouses and partners who are held responsible for domestic violence committed against them.

Expecting those at risk of terrorist violence (the general public) to show solidarity with an ideology that is used to justify violence against them is in essence shifting responsibility away from the attacker’s attitudes and onto the victims’ behaviour.

“Why didn’t you avoid this” victim-blaming is usually used against domestic violence victims, and is now being drawn against victims of terrorist violence. “Why didn’t you just leave?” - “Why didn’t Charlie Hedbo just remove the cartoon?”

In recent months there is a growing number of articles that direct non-Muslims to show solidarity with Islam and Muslim people. “Support your local mosque”, one article instructed. Coincidentally, at the time I was staying right across the road from an elaborate mosque in a small Indonesian village.

While I was welcome to enjoy the prayer songs that rung out across the village, I was nonetheless not welcome inside the mosque — along with the rest of the female population. The mosque also directed me to not wear my bikinis — in a sweltering beachside village. The bikini policy pales in comparison to the debate over whether Balinese women can wear traditional long-sleeve lace-adorned Kebaya dress, but I digress.

In effect, women are being held responsible for showing solidarity with a religion that actively seeks to undermine their rights, lest they be denigrated as phobic or inciting hatred and terrorism against themselves.

Expecting women to sacrifice their freedoms for any religion is tyrannical. And to link the criticism of religion to somehow invoking violence is psychological manipulation of the highest form. This is the “she asked for it” of religious totalitarianism.

The assumption behind the “love can cure terror” theory is that a sense of goodwill can placate potential abuse before it starts. Yet goodwill requires an open line of communication, the kind of dialogue that is not often possible in religions that disallow women and other minorities from equal participation.

In fact, open dialogue with leaders of Islam can lead to dire consequences. In a recent interview with Afghan MP Nazir Ahmad Hanafi, VICE interviewer Isobel Yeung respectfully asked the MP’s views on rape within marriage. He responded that he should “give you to an Afghani man to cut your nose off”. Some translators argue that “cut your nose off” is used in place of “rape”. Indeed, in contexts where one’s basic freedoms are under threat, the only healthy response is boundaries for personal safety.

Seeking to offer “love” or rather “tread on eggshells” to avoid backlash in such situations only enables abusers to feel vindicated and further tightens the grip of control they seek to maintain. There is ongoing debate over whether Orlando’s tragic attack was fuelled by Islamic extremism, or pure homophobia — with an obvious connection between the two. What is certain however, is that the Islamic ideology underpinning a growing global scourge of terrorism is not one that supports women, nor gays and lesbians, nor nonbelievers of any kind.

The public is not responsible for placating potential extremists within any ideological, religious or political group. Abusers’ actions are their own responsibility and theirs alone. This is a common teaching of the political Left when it comes to domestic violence; it is time the same thinking is applied to religious terrorism.

Certainly, misdirected anger will not resolve the issue of Islamic extremism. There have been cases of vigilante violence that serve only to exacerbate the issue. In particular, approaching or attacking innocent Muslim women only replicates the misogyny and extremism of terrorists themselves.

Yet, anger — when used in the right way — is a healthy, healing and valuable emotion. The public is justified in their anger, and this energy can fuel the necessary critique and hard questions that need to be directed toward the ideologies, the institutions, the funding bodies and leaders behind this extremism.

It is not blind love, nor well-meaning denial, but intelligent and firm debate that is needed in the conversation on Islamic terrorism.

Laura McNally is a psychologist, author and PhD candidate. Her doctoral research examines the social implications of corporate social responsibility. She provides regular commentary on issues related to gender and social inequality.

Broken clock is right twice a day. It's a nice thought bubble to fuck a leftie's mind with: "When you say the West asked for this you are victim blaming. You wouldn't say a battered wife just needs to show more love, why are you saying bomb victims do?"

(06-16-2016 08:59 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  Pathetic how so many would just wait to die instead of formulating a plan. They had hours. From the interview earlier in the thread with the guy who was holed up with a group in the bathroom, we know that all they did was hide in the stalls...

Well, a big reason why many of them went there was to be holed up with a group in the bathroom...

(06-15-2016 01:10 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  WTF





http://archive.is/84dFr

(06-16-2016 05:35 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 05:22 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  Well, how about the designated driver is allowed to carry in club/bar/etc.? 0% tolerance for b.a.c. if carrying.
At least the bartender should be armed.
Churches allow people to open carry to service, depending on the region you're in, it's treated like an article of clothing. If some of the congress who got killed in that church shooting were carrying, definitely would've been less dead, and the media wouldn't have said shit about it due to a private citizen saving the day with a firearm.

Instead of discussing making areas less safe (banning guns, gunfree zones, restrictions), they should be talking about ensuring safety, ie. arming more people responsibly. Like vaccines, inoculating the community so those who are vulnerable don't get infected.

Well in Texas at least, you cannot bring any gun inside a 51% place. Churches is up to the individual church here. Mine bans open and concealed with pisses me off. It's hard enough to find a good enough church that even Dalrock could approve, I'm not willing to look for another.

I agree with you on the media would not have liked talking about how a person put down an attacker. Local media would like it, but that would be it, they love bragging on local folks.

I fully agree on making pushes and drives to educate and arm folks. As much as the national govt hates that, not every state would be on board either. Even the ones with concealed carry unfortunately.

In Florida concealed permit holders are not allowed to carry in the "bar area" of a restaurant or in an entire place whose primary business is alcohol. It's about the place not the intent. The club would be a place entirely off limits to concealed carry except for employees who ARE allowed to carry in their own place of employment.

You are not allowed to sit at a bar for lunch even if you are not drinking and concealed carry, but you are allowed to go to dinner and have drinks while carrying. There is an important thing to know. If you get drunk defined as beyond the legal driving limit, you may go home carrying, but if you TOUCH your weapon while drunk it is an automatic felony.

Most of the Florida gun laws are pretty common sense and there are some special state quirks that a new resident or visitor would want to know. For example no one can be told by an employer that they cannot leave a gun in their car in their work parking lot, it is a protected right to drive to work and leave your gun in your car. You do not need a permit to have your gun in your home or business, and in regards to your auto, no permit is required as long as your weapon requires two steps to get to it in the car. Like, in the glovebox and in another holster with a snap. But if you do have a concealed carry permit the two steps doesn't apply you can just carry concealed, in your pocket, on a belt, purse etc, unholstered if you like.

You can open carry in your business or on your property but otherwise Florida is not very friendly to open carry. Some new law that would have changed that died. There used to be a really tough warning shot law that basically said if you fire a warning shot you get 20 years. The point is you don't use a deadly weapon unless your life is in danger and you have to shoot the PERSON. That changed to three years I think. The other thing is Florida does not tolerate brandishing of any kind. You cannot be in an argument or even be under threat and SHOW your weapon, "Hey MoFo I have a gun." Again, if you need your weapon it is because your life is in danger and you are going to use DEADLY force. If this kind of thing interests you you MUST read Florida Firearms Law Use and Ownership by Jon Gutmacher. If you bought a gun in Florida and they didn't MAKE you buy this book they did you a disservice.

The concealed carry permit requires a class and an FBI background check. I hope after seeing this story more bar owners and employees will think about concealed carry and training. The more good people have guns the less whatever this was will happen.

If I meet a terrorist OR a false flag freedom stealing operative, I will introduce them to My Good Friend Dan Wesson, and do my best to put a stop to their plans. My plan was designed in 1911 and still works today.

The media wants us to think that the fags were helpless and that seems to be part of the narrative, but not all fags are "fags," some are real men, ex-mil, even "alpha." All of them and us too for that matter can and should learn to value self-defense.

I hope this backfires on the (either Muslims or SJW operatives) and more Good Americans, of all flavors and colors arm up and defend their rights against all the forces of evil that so desperately want them to live in fear and give up not only their guns and freedom but their very VOLITION.

(06-16-2016 04:58 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  ...
I get what you are saying but it is a little more nuanced than that. In this case, you are trying to control access to legal purchased firearms to known dangerous terrorists. The secret villain on no one's watchlist getting guns is always going to be a problem. The objective should be to close this "common sense" loophole in a manner that won't impede a legitimate citizen from gaining access.

The fact that a guy on a terror watch list, getting radical inside our country, obtained a state gun license because he had no felonies, is an obvious hole in our legal system. His license should have had some action taken upon it or something else. Would it have stopped this killer? Probably not, but that hole still needs to be addressed or filled in some way.

People will always be able to buy hot guns, ghost guns (no serials or fake ones), and other illegal weapons from places like Arizona, SF, etc. from illegal sellers. On paper there are laws for this, just need better enforcement. Once terrorists start using avenues like this, then we are going to have to go back to the drawing board again and address that. Let's get that low hanging fruit first.

Want we do not need to do is adopt a "fuck it" attitude in either direction, for or against gun control. We have not banned cars and drunk driving is a bigger problem. Sometimes laws don't work, but creative incentives might (ie public transportation). Outright banning guns or even all forms of Islam is not feasible. Americans should be able to put some braintrust together and do better than this. When guys think stuff like, "it's just fags, I don't care much." That misses the big picture. Today it's gays, tomorrow it will be some other group the Muslims will hate.

If an immigration ban ends up being the best workable solution, and we just have to constantly wack and track the ones here already, that get radical as they spring up, so be it! We still need to think through all the possible options and do the due diligence to close any holes and outstanding issues.

So wrong.

Do you have any idea how easy it is to get on a government watchlist? The government you intend to trust with this power to disarm "troublemakers" is currently waving a big old white flag to islam and globalism while simultaneously villainising nationalists and constitutionalists as domestic terrorists just waiting to blow.

Just who do you think this "common sense" gun control is going to be aimed at? On what planet do you suddenly expect your hostile government to use such powers to restore a state of sanity that it has busily been destroying at every opportunity for decades.

I can't even begin to emphasise this enough. If you think that at this terrifying point in global history that granting your government the ability to take guns from people they designate as "the wrong sort" because it might have prevented a muslim shooting a bunch of gays, then you, sir, are out of your gourd, and I say that with the highest respect that your rep level can afford.

(06-16-2016 08:59 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  Pathetic how so many would just wait to die instead of formulating a plan.

Watching interviews with some of the survivors — and I really hate to say this — it's some of the most effeminate sissies I've ever seen in my life.

And they're the ones who made it out alive.....

One who didn't survive, who was holed up in the bathroom apparently for some time, texted his mother: "Mommy I love you," and "I'm going to die."

Can you imagine Rambo or MacGuyver in that situation, texting his "Mommy" that he's "going to die"?

Fuck that shit. Fight for your life. Figure out a plan. Strategize. If there's no other option, bum rush the motherfucker.

In all situations in life, you must refuse to be a victim. You must never, ever cower and cry in fear. If you're going down, you will not do so without a fight.

There's a reason faggot and gay are insults

There's a lot of compassion shaming here that misses the entire point.

If a woman I know is getting beaten by her boyfriend do I rush to bash him? No. You know why? Because in most instances she will take the side of the abuser and I will end up in jail. How do some of you guys not see this?

Compassion, sympathy and protection for gays begins when they cease their anti 1A bullshit, their anti 2A bullshit, admit they were wrong and ASK for our help.

Prior to that you are, as another member put it, casting pearls before swine. It would be like rolling into Italy on 03/09/43 and mincing around under machine gun fire, crying over dead Italian soldiers "because he was probably drafted and didn't really want to fight us and he's just been caught up in something bigger than himself and boo hoo hoo."

Do the concern-shamers have the slightest clue about what's at stake here? Do you seriously think the extent of the future troubles will be having to put up with a few more depressing minority-on-minority shootings? Do you have any idea how many people in the last century were marched to death, put against walls and shot, imprisoned and worked to death or simply put in camps and starved, so many of which allowed their tribal instincts to be blunted by the childish notions that "we're all people and in the end they'll see that we're not the enemy."

Ugh. Sometimes it's like watching lemmings.

How do you know nobody tried to fight back? Charging someone with an automatic weapon isnt the same as charging someone with a knife. The first 5-10 people who rush WILL get shot, so unless you have rallied more than that you are fucked. How sure are you that the people you tried to rally wonr freeze the moment the gunshots ring? Not to mention, alchohol was involved. Keyboard warrioring is unnecessary in a situation like this.

(06-16-2016 02:32 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  



"The lead singer from the Grateful Dead. Completely unable to let go of their dogmas. The boomer generation truly fucked up the world."

I like the Grateful Dead—much like my conservative counterparts, Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson. It’s odd to see Bob Weir speak openly about politics, since the Grateful Dead were notoriously reticent for most of their careers: they rarely spoke on stage, unlike political singers such as Bono. But a cursory overview of Bob Weir’s situation is revealing:

1.) Many fans of the Grateful Dead don’t take his current performances seriously. As far as many Deadheads are concerned, the band ended when Jerry Garcia died in 1995. Many of these fans have stopped going to see the remaining members in concert. Other fans of the band will even mock the remaining members for their attempts to continue playing. No doubt this is frustrating for him.

2.) Bob Weir’s solo career, since Jerry Garcia’s death, has been largely unsuccessful. He has released one album in the last twenty years, Evening Moods, which most of his fans were ambivalent towards. Again, must be frustrating.

3.) He has battled a pain killer addiction over the last few years.

In short…I think that SJW behavior is almost always linked to feelings of personal and/or professional frustration. Think of Lady Gaga, who mocked feminism when she was on top; but then, when her albums started tanking, she began touting SJW platforms in her music.

Being a long-time fan of the band, I was kind of bummed to see this video. I always knew they leaned to the left, but I preferred when they weren’t vocal about it.

Weir is a Bohemian Grove regular.

He and other Grateful Dead members and acolytes are connected with the deep state and the highest echelons of the establishment, while projecting the image of being the polar opposite. Exactly like Gloria Steinem, who was the most important operative in pushing feminism. Steinem posed as a maverick anti-establishment activist but was in fact a CIA-funded demoralization agent whose role was to culturally degrade and socially engineer a vulnerable class of society, women, pitting them against men and breaking down the family foundation.

The Grateful Dead targeted the youth, setting up a breakaway culture that pits boomers against their parents and degrades conservative values. The Dead dumbed down their fans by actively promoting the most destructive drugs (LSD). Their associates manufactured LSD on an industrial scale, which the band promoted and distributed during their tours. And despite producing and distributing literally millions of doses, they only got marginally prosecuted. Many of their contemporaries got locked away for years for far smaller drug offenses.

http://www.gnosticmedia.com/manufacturin...jan-irvin/


When I get a bit of time, I will start a thread focusing on the use of music to disrupt and socially engineer Baby Boomers. This might have been the most radical and successful social engineering project in modern history. It has completely changed Western culture, turning it on its head and nearly marginalizing Christianity in many western countries in the span of a decade.

Funny you mention the grateful dead drug conspiracy. They're on tour and LSD and ketamine have flooded the black market from what I hear.

As a former PCP addict and someone who who's probably dropped 1000 hits of acid I can say firsthand these drugs are evil. They confuse your interpretation of reality and produce a warped false spiritual experience.

The only drug I use now is caffeine and nicotine. Fuck the grateful dead and their CIA drug schemes.

Agree with Leonard 100%

Until gays want our help- stop blaming us -and recognize the problem(Islam), we have NO responsibility to feel anything for them.

The contradiction(no one specifically being called out here):

"Western civ is degenerate and doomed Im gonna move somewhere else. Let this failure of a place burn."
"Hey hey remember to show compassion for these victims that are mostly leftist, likely hate guns, and are #ImWithHer!"

Of course taking moral high ground in public/social media is great. But the forum is supposed to be frank, right?