Actually, its our problem (we sudacas, you know), when a braindead commie brings "russian military advisors" to the continent, with their background of supporting artificial separatist movements. And yes, we already have evidence of SEBIN guys meeting with the mapuches and other commie shit in the country, and that only in Argentina. There is a very funny anecdote on how some SEBIN guys got in the open in 2014 when one killed another guy over a women here in Buenos Aires. Turn out that they were not oficially listed by the Venezuelan Embassy as oficial agents...ups!

They don't give up... i'll give you that.
So, now secretary of State, the neoconservative John Bolton, just had a meeting with Brazilian Defense minister to discuss new plans of the invasion of Venezuela. Did Mr MAGA promise a share of Venezuelan oil to Bolsonaro?

Are there still people who class themselves as well versed who truly believe this isn't a ploy to get the oil and remove Russia and Chinese influence from SA for good?

They made a fuck up. Colombia and Brazil lost their balls and refused to act as launch pads for the US freedom machine and this gave Russia a chance to send in bodyguards and other specialists to assist with security issues.

Now we will see Mr Bolton using his powers of persuasion to get his way so his masters can get Venezuela.

Russia has now shown interest in keeping the status quo so I guess it gets interesting from here.

Russia is not even a state, it’s more or less a dysfonctionnal society that’s talent and history has been robbed by people who don’t care about its people and only further their own interests and this has been going on for 102 years now.

They contribute nothing to the world. Which is a shame because it’s peole have so much potential and good genes.

Not sure why
Some posters here seem happy because mother Russia managed to fly a couple of old planes all the way to Venezuela an accomplishment in itself. China and Russia have no business in the americas from Hudson Bay all the way to the falklands that’s how I see it.

Why can't this be as simple as:

- US wants Venezuela to be stable again.
- Brazil wants an end to VZ refugees.
- Colombia wants an end to VZ refugees.
- They have lots of oil, yes, and they can pay for their own stability.

Hope they get their country back. Close family friends grew up there and wax nostalgia for their days there in the 90's. It should not be in the shape it is, and ideally its at the bottom now and everyone can work together - including Russia - to make this a reality.

Where did you learn about Russia's history, Curunir? Do you think Trudeau cares about his people more than Putin does, to the point where Junior is aggressively implementing his father's grand replacement plan? Do you think Putin would want that type of demographic warfare on his people?

And have you ever read anything by Solzhenitsyn, and are you familiar with any his work as a historian and gulag survivor?




In any case, I've done a lot more research on Venezuela, talked with many local refugees, including a pretty bright and woke buddy from Maracaibo. The picture is not black and white, the Chavistas do have their warts. I still think the US should stay away and let the economy rot to the point where Venezuelans will vote Maduro out. Any aggressive interventionism will only end up backfiring. People like Bolton and Abrams are too evil and short-sighted to see this.

Does anyone know about the Koch brothers?

Venezuela suffering another major power outage. People I know there are in complete darkness for the past 2 days.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...er-outages

(03-26-2019 09:12 PM)Laner Wrote:  Why can't this be as simple as:

- US wants Venezuela to be stable again.
- Brazil wants an end to VZ refugees.
- Colombia wants an end to VZ refugees.
- They have lots of oil, yes, and they can pay for their own stability.

Hope they get their country back. Close family friends grew up there and wax nostalgia for their days there in the 90's. It should not be in the shape it is, and ideally its at the bottom now and everyone can work together - including Russia - to make this a reality.

Only in a perfect and responsible world, but at last we live in world, run by psychopaths.

(03-26-2019 07:08 PM)Curunír Wrote:  Russia is not even a state, it’s more or less a dysfonctionnal society that’s talent and history has been robbed (((by people who don’t care about its people))) and only further their own interests and this has been going on for 102 years now.

They contribute nothing to the world. Which is a shame because it’s peole have so much potential and good genes.

Not sure why
Some posters here seem happy because mother Russia managed to fly a couple of old planes all the way to Venezuela an accomplishment in itself. China and Russia have no business in the americas from Hudson Bay all the way to the falklands that’s how I see it.

There ya go. Fixed it for you.

Those same people fled to America after the Russians finally cottoned on their bullshit and now they're trying to fuck heritage America by sucking it dry too.

They're the ones that want this war and they're playing the useful idiots like a well tuned violin.

(03-26-2019 07:08 PM)Curunír Wrote:  Russia is not even a state, it’s more or less a dysfonctionnal society that’s talent and history has been robbed by people who don’t care about its people and only further their own interests and this has been going on for 102 years now.

They contribute nothing to the world. Which is a shame because it’s peole have so much potential and good genes.

True for the most part, but you gotta remember Russia was basically raped and left for dead twice in one century. And I'm not even counting WW2 which left over 25 million dead. What do you expect? It's gonna take time and lots of effort to rebuild, but there's no question that the country is on the right track. On my last visit to Moscow, I was stunned by the level of development, cleanliness of the streets, and things like that. Outer regions - less so.

Also, I'm not sure about Russia contrubuting "nothing". They've churned out tons of physicists, engineers, mathematicians, literary icons, artists, and so on.

Plus the AK.

Baby steps..

(03-27-2019 02:16 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Does anyone know about the Koch brothers?

Yes, the Koch bros are very important figures in the Venezuela stakes, they own the giant refining operation that process Venezuelan crude in Corpus Christi, TX. I've covered it in this post:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-55800...pid1950378

(03-27-2019 03:08 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 07:08 PM)Curunír Wrote:  Russia is not even a state, it’s more or less a dysfonctionnal society that’s talent and history has been robbed by people who don’t care about its people and only further their own interests and this has been going on for 102 years now.

They contribute nothing to the world. Which is a shame because it’s peole have so much potential and good genes.

True for the most part, but you gotta remember Russia was basically raped and left for dead twice in one century. And I'm not even counting WW2 which left over 25 million dead. What do you expect? It's gonna take time and lots of effort to rebuild, but there's no question that the country is on the right track. On my last visit to Moscow, I was stunned by the level of development, cleanliness of the streets, and things like that. Outer regions - less so.

Also, I'm not sure about Russia contrubuting "nothing". They've churned out tons of physicists, engineers, mathematicians, literary icons, artists, and so on.

Plus the AK.

Baby steps..

Russia has made invaluable contributions to European and world culture. Only French literature comes close to the Russian body of work in that field. I would guess Curunir has no use for Dostoevsky, Tolstoy or Chekov, or for Tchaikovsky who has almost single-handedly revived and preserved the traditional form of ballet in the West.

The Bolcheviks stunted Russia's culture by literally genociding nearly half of Russia's population, mostly the better, more cultured half of their people, fueled by a deep-seated tribal hatred. If it wasn't for them Russia would have had over 300 million white Christians today, and would be a thriving cultural and economic power on par with China or the US.

(03-27-2019 11:37 AM)911 Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 03:08 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 07:08 PM)Curunír Wrote:  Russia is not even a state, it’s more or less a dysfonctionnal society that’s talent and history has been robbed by people who don’t care about its people and only further their own interests and this has been going on for 102 years now.

They contribute nothing to the world. Which is a shame because it’s peole have so much potential and good genes.

True for the most part, but you gotta remember Russia was basically raped and left for dead twice in one century. And I'm not even counting WW2 which left over 25 million dead. What do you expect? It's gonna take time and lots of effort to rebuild, but there's no question that the country is on the right track. On my last visit to Moscow, I was stunned by the level of development, cleanliness of the streets, and things like that. Outer regions - less so.

Also, I'm not sure about Russia contrubuting "nothing". They've churned out tons of physicists, engineers, mathematicians, literary icons, artists, and so on.

Plus the AK.

Baby steps..

Russia has made invaluable contributions to European and world culture. Only French literature comes close to the Russian body of work in that field. I would guess Curunir has no use for Dostoevsky, Tolstoy or Chekov, or for Tchaikovsky who has almost single-handedly revived and preserved the traditional form of ballet in the West.

The Bolcheviks stunted Russia's culture by literally genociding nearly half of Russia's population, mostly the better, more cultured half of their people, fueled by a deep-seated tribal hatred. If it wasn't for them Russia would have had over 300 million white Christians today, and would be a thriving cultural and economic power on par with China or the US.

I think I made it clear that my comments were post-October revolution Russia and all the way to today. No contestation of how the two world wars, Bolchevism, Stalin or even Putin (who only cares about his bottom line and who has enriched oligarchs who exported capitals out of Russia by about 80 billion) have influenced the condition of Russia today, who is hated by most of its former satellites.

Still, Russia has no business in Venezuela propping up a semi-communist regime that is self-depleting faster than the Russian Ruble.

(03-27-2019 02:16 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Does anyone know about the Koch brothers?

I worked at one of their fertilizer plants in Manitoba,Canada a couple of years ago, it was a nice facility and super safe, maybe a bit too safe for my liking. I’ve also worked at massive refineries and oil sands mines owned and operated by the scary big oil companies like Exxon, BP, Shell, etc. Hopefully working class Venezuelans never have to live through the horror that I do by working for a large multinational company and in return earning a steady pay cheque, health benefits, pension, etc.

∆From watching documentaries you get the impression that American corporations on South America is a bad thing. Damned if you do damned if you don't.

(03-14-2019 07:59 AM)Going strong Wrote:  By the way, one might want to read the article 187 (numeral 11: 11. Autorizar el empleo de misiones militares venezolanas en el exterior o extranjeras en el país) of the Venezuelan constitution...
http://constituciondevenezuela.com/articulo-187/

Quick translation: "it corresponds to the national assembly (...) to authorize the use of Venezuelan military missions abroad or the use or foreign military missions in the country"

^Funnily (or not) enough, it's actually Russia that has used (or circumvented?) this Venezuelan-Constitution article, to justify the arrival by plane of 100 of its troops to Caracas, couple of days ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eur...story.html
"Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said in a statement late Tuesday that the presence of Russian military personnel in Venezuela is “in strict accordance” with the Venezuelan constitution and a bilateral agreement on military cooperation. She said that it doesn’t require any approval by Venezuela’s opposition-controlled National Assembly"

Seems that the Venezuelan Constitution "forgot" to state that this 187-11 article was exclusive of any other bilateral agreement? But wasn't it implied anyway, by the term "corresponde"?


^Maria Zakharova , WB, Would Tentatively Interpret Venezuelan Constitution with
https://www.rbth.com/arts/2017/07/03/sla...rts_794555

nice pegs, solid rack, WB.

(03-28-2019 06:41 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 07:59 AM)Going strong Wrote:  By the way, one might want to read the article 187 (numeral 11: 11. Autorizar el empleo de misiones militares venezolanas en el exterior o extranjeras en el país) of the Venezuelan constitution...
http://constituciondevenezuela.com/articulo-187/

Quick translation: "it corresponds to the national assembly (...) to authorize the use of Venezuelan military missions abroad or the use or foreign military missions in the country"

^Funnily (or not) enough, it's actually Russia that has used (or circumvented?) this Venezuelan-Constitution article, to justify the arrival by plane of 100 of its troops to Caracas, couple of days ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eur...story.html
"Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said in a statement late Tuesday that the presence of Russian military personnel in Venezuela is “in strict accordance” with the Venezuelan constitution and a bilateral agreement on military cooperation. She said that it doesn’t require any approval by Venezuela’s opposition-controlled National Assembly"

Seems that the Venezuelan Constitution "forgot" to state that this 187-11 article was exclusive of any other bilateral agreement? But wasn't it implied anyway, by the term "corresponde"?


^Maria Zakharova , WB, Would Tentatively Interpret Venezuelan Constitution with
https://www.rbth.com/arts/2017/07/03/sla...rts_794555

Am I the only one that is mystified by the Russian moves here?

I thought Putin played a blinder on Syria, holding out on going charging in to his allies aid with full weaponry when he had every right to..

yes, I know.. advisors, materiel, intelligence, special forces and technicians but no carpet bombing, attack helicopters, no Stalins organs in full deployment.

To the point where Qatar, Saudi, the US, Britain, Turkey didn't even expect them to deploy. Then bang, they bombed the shit out of Isis.

And what was even better.. Then they got out. Twice...

they went down there and as soon as they weren't needed they pulled back and sailed their aircraft carrier home. (Albeit, money was an issue probably).

But this.. I suspect in some ways its just a demonstration of tokenism because they could well benefit from having skin in the game without having to do too much.

But balancing that is the fact that this is not in their hemisphere, certainly not in their sphere of influence.

If I was an American govt appointee I would be pissed. I see it as a naked aggression toward the US.

Yes the US and Nato are constantly interfering where they aren't asked to all over the world. But that's like the question - "why does a dog lick its balls?.. Because it can."

This is an American sphere of influence.

Im not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing: it just is. Russia is sticking its beak in in a place where they aren't welcome.

International solidarity and states like Venezuela's rights to choose their allies be damned.

Russia cannot sustain overseas campaigns against proxy-enemies like the US in far flung parts of the world. Venezuela might be an aggrieved party in all of this but that doesn't mean Jack.

If Vietnam started trying to cultivate Myanmar or North Korea - China would not put up with that for a second.

Similarly Russia, in my view, are sticking their necks out here.

EDIT: WNB Russian Chick above.

WABJWWWNOTV - Would accept BlowJob Whilst Watching World news on TV.

I watch with delight Russia interfering in America s zone of influence .
What happened in Ukraine and in Georgia in particular gives the moral right for Putin to do this .
In my opinion Russia should take Alaska back

(03-27-2019 03:08 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 07:08 PM)Curunír Wrote:  Russia is not even a state, it’s more or less a dysfonctionnal society that’s talent and history has been robbed by people who don’t care about its people and only further their own interests and this has been going on for 102 years now.

They contribute nothing to the world. Which is a shame because it’s peole have so much potential and good genes.

True for the most part, but you gotta remember Russia was basically raped and left for dead twice in one century. And I'm not even counting WW2 which left over 25 million dead. What do you expect? It's gonna take time and lots of effort to rebuild, but there's no question that the country is on the right track. On my last visit to Moscow, I was stunned by the level of development, cleanliness of the streets, and things like that. Outer regions - less so.

Also, I'm not sure about Russia contrubuting "nothing". They've churned out tons of physicists, engineers, mathematicians, literary icons, artists, and so on.

Plus the AK.

Baby steps..

Russia had to contend with the mongols too:




Mongols entrenched serfdom and which would ultimately end in Europe but not in Russia until more modern times.

And the genocide of the majority of the population didn't help either.

(03-30-2019 01:06 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  I watch with delight Russia interfering in America s zone of influence .
What happened in Ukraine and in Georgia in particular gives the moral right for Putin to do this .
In my opinion Russia should take Alaska back

What happened in the Ukraine and Georgia, is that V. Putin reined in the Russian tanks when they could have reached and taken Tbilissi in half an hour and Kiev in three hours. And Vladimir Vladimirovich very probably acted wisely, as both Georgia and Ukraine would have been a heavy burden on the Russian Federation. So Putin, a very careful and cautious leader as usual, acted with a lot of calm and restrain, and just took a little bit of these territories (when he could have taken the whole territory of Georgia or Ukraine, easy).

So it is a bit surprising to see RF President Putin sending troops and material now to Caracas: bold move indeed. Especially as President Trump is now cleared from the Mueller witch-hunt, and therefore, back in full might.

My guess is that Putin has to give some symbolic bone to the oligarchs who invested in Venezuela. But hopefully Putin will not cross too many red lines in Caracas, as Venezuela is a fight that the Russians cannot win in the medium or long-term, if the USA decides to act.

Granted, it appears less and less certain by the week that the USA will really intervene (and thus quickly and easily crush Maduro, as their military might would guarantee). I mean, when the chief of staff of Guaido received a beating by Maduro supporters and was unceremoniously dragged to jail, it was apparently a first sign that maybe, the USA is considering not intervening, for the time being.

But I would still put the probabilities of President Trump terminating Maduro by the end of Spring, at say 70%. We'll see.

With about a quarter of the country being hardcore Chavistas, making up most of the army, and the majority of poorer minorities with less to lose in a fight, what makes you think that a military operation would be successful at holding power?

I seriously doubt Trump will do any large-scale military invasion before the elections, this would be political suicide. You can't reuse the Saddam-WMD playbook there. And even after November, it would take a large number of boots on the ground to secure and hold the country, and to fight the ensuing urban and rural guerilla warfare, can't see that happening.

(03-31-2019 09:31 PM)911 Wrote:  With about a quarter of the country being hardcore Chavistas, making up most of the army, and the majority of poorer minorities with less to lose in a fight, what makes you think that a military operation would be successful at holding power?

I seriously doubt Trump will do any large-scale military invasion before the elections, this would be political suicide. You can't reuse the Saddam-WMD playbook there. And even after November, it would take a large number of boots on the ground to secure and hold the country, and to fight the ensuing urban and rural guerilla warfare, can't see that happening.

Well, I think that Venezuelan soldiers would absolutely not fight with bravery or dedication, should the US send elite troops. Venezuelan soldiers would quite certainly flee, desert, use their weapons to steal from stores or kill their officers, or just lay low. Remember Saddam's Irakian "soldiers", the cowards?

But you are probably right anyway, President Trump should probably not put many boots on the ground. A guided missile or two (or twenty if Maduro is not directly targeted and instead it's the military bases of its "supporters" that get destroyed) should and I guess will eventually suffice.

And remember that CNN would not even protest that much if Maduro receives a missile through the window while sleeping. I mean, the demonization of Maduro has been efficient throughout the political field in the West, ha has almost no MSM supporter left (but that might change if he survives a few weeks more, as Venezuelan money is being moved to MSM bank accounts these days).

(03-30-2019 10:47 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  Russia had to contend with the mongols too:




Mongols entrenched serfdom and which would ultimately end in Europe but not in Russia until more modern times.

And the genocide of the majority of the population didn't help either.

Look, at some point there has a to be a limit how far into the past you can lay blame for current circumstances. Communism I can understand, that was very recent, but Mongols - that happened almost 1000 years ago. If you can't recover from a disaster in 1000 years, what does it say about you? It's like Arabs claiming they would have ruled the world if those bad bad Mongols hadn't sacked Baghdad in 1258, or Mexicans claiming that they had an awesome thing going on until the arrival of Conquistadors. What would we tell to an Italian claiming that Italy would have become an awesome world power if it weren't for that pesky fall of Western Roman Empire?

This sort of complaining just makes a nation look sad and embarrassing.