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worldwidetraveler · 2019-02-26 19:01:00 · #1311
(02-26-2019 11:31 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  You don't deserve to be treated on moral grounds.

He's no better than the liberals who developed this narrative of MAGA white nationalist going around and bleaching innocent black gay men. It fits their narrative so they wish it to be true. When it isn't true, the cognitive dissonance sets in and they sound crazy.
SamuelBRoberts · 2019-02-27 07:30:00 · #1312
(02-26-2019 05:56 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Remember the first casualty being truth?

With any luck, the first casualty of war will be Jorge Ramos. Is he still locked up or did they let him go?
Mekorig · 2019-02-27 08:13:00 · #1313
Ramos is already in Miami after beign deported. Maduro can be a 2 pesos dictator, but he is not fool enough to dissapear a well know foreign journalist.
911 · 2019-02-27 11:57:00 · #1314
Maduro is nowhere near a proper dictator, Assad or Gaddafi, who fit that bill (although both are clearly better for their country than the globalist aternative) would have had all opposition leaders purged, pronto. He's not even a Putin-grade strongman, he's got more than enough basis for charging Guaido with treason and arresting him.
Luvianka · 2019-02-27 18:04:00 · #1315
I told you so from the very beginning -It's about oil. In order ta save the petro-dollar and to face its two geopolitical rivals, China & Russia, the US will wage war against Venezuela to capture the largest oil reserves in the World.
US amasses special ops in Puerto Rico, army in Colombia to oust Maduro according to the Russian Security Council.
By deploying troops and special ops forces to Puerto Rico and Colombia, Washington is getting ready to intervene in Venezuela and topple its leader, the secretary of Russia’s Security Council said.
The US is “preparing for a military invasion” in Venezuela, Nikolai Patrushev told Russian media on Tuesday.
The relocation of American special forces’ units to Puerto Rico, the deployment of the US Army units to Colombia and other facts evidently show that Pentagon is enhancing its military in the region in order to use it in ousting… President [Nicolas] Maduro.
“The people of Venezuela understand this clearly,” Patrushev said, adding that this notion increases popular support for Maduro and drives the government to reject the aid offered by “an aggressor state.”
Shame on you, America! Shame on you!
Nater · 2019-02-28 17:40:00 · #1316
I think things will get more interesting next year . After the US presidential election. The US will get more aggressive no matter who the president is.

It's written in the script, Venezuela is the next Libya.
Latinopan · 2019-02-28 19:26:00 · #1317
(02-27-2019 06:04 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  I told you so from the very beginning -It's about oil. In order ta save the petro-dollar and to face its two geopolitical rivals, China & Russia, the US will wage war against Venezuela to capture the largest oil reserves in the World.
US amasses special ops in Puerto Rico, army in Colombia to oust Maduro according to the Russian Security Council.
By deploying troops and special ops forces to Puerto Rico and Colombia, Washington is getting ready to intervene in Venezuela and topple its leader, the secretary of Russia’s Security Council said.
The US is “preparing for a military invasion” in Venezuela, Nikolai Patrushev told Russian media on Tuesday.
The relocation of American special forces’ units to Puerto Rico, the deployment of the US Army units to Colombia and other facts evidently show that Pentagon is enhancing its military in the region in order to use it in ousting… President [Nicolas] Maduro.
“The people of Venezuela understand this clearly,” Patrushev said, adding that this notion increases popular support for Maduro and drives the government to reject the aid offered by “an aggressor state.”
Shame on you, America! Shame on you!

The oil could be already considered USA's, there is not way Russia or China get their hands in Venezuela oil. Is geographically impossible for China or Russia to try anything in Latin America.
nomadbrah · 2019-02-28 20:24:00 · #1318
I don't get how people going on and on about optics, suddenly think bombing Venezuela is a good idea.

I mean, Venezuelans might be mostly brown, in fact there's a clear racial divide here (chavistas are brown, opposition whiteish).

So Trump is going to go bombing on a bunch of "christian natural conservative" browns?

If you spray them with water at the border, then you're awful and Ivanka cries and Trump caves, but if you hose them with hot lead from a gunship, then it's freedom baby?

Man, it must be difficult to be a brainlet cuckservative.
Leonard D Neubache · 2019-03-01 05:44:00 · #1319
It actually much easier. My team good. Their team bad. My team yay. Their team boo.

Until the consequences of ignorance come home to roost living life that way is much more easy and pleasant. It's one of the injustices of the modern era that most boomers will never live to suffer the consequences of that choice to be ignorant.
infowarrior1 · 2019-03-01 08:38:00 · #1320
(02-27-2019 11:57 AM)911 Wrote:  Maduro is nowhere near a proper dictator, Assad or Gaddafi, who fit that bill (although both are clearly better for their country than the globalist aternative) would have had all opposition leaders purged, pronto. He's not even a Putin-grade strongman, he's got more than enough basis for charging Guaido with treason and arresting him.

Why can't Maduro do a slow transition to a China like Economy? Is there anything he can do to resolve this crisis?
lonewolf1992 · 2019-03-01 09:08:00 · #1321
I respect those who are against the military intervention as you know, 'venezuela is none of our bussiness' and that is completely reasonable. Now I think is maybe is due to language barrier that some folks in here even have some sympathy for Maduro. The guy is literally one the most stupid, silly and naive 'politicians' we have seen in our lives, from the left and right we call him 'maburro' that stands for donkey. Even Chavez was a clever socialist piece of shit but the venezuelans know he was no pussy. Maduro is complete idiot you just have to see all the stupid things he say in his speeches. Man I fucking hate that pig. Cheers to everyone.
BBinger · 2019-03-01 11:34:00 · #1322
(02-27-2019 11:57 AM)911 Wrote:  Maduro is nowhere near a proper dictator, Assad or Gaddafi, who fit that bill (although both are clearly better for their country than the globalist aternative) would have had all opposition leaders purged, pronto. He's not even a Putin-grade strongman, he's got more than enough basis for charging Guaido with treason and arresting him.

I mentioned upthread, but the closest historical parallel in my reading is Spain's Franco. Both Maduro and Franco got stuck in their positions due to a lack of other men stepping up. Maduro is stuck with the job running Venezuela for a lack of any other strong men who can step up to the job.

Maduro is clearly not very good at the job of running a country by most measures, but driving a state is harder than driving a bus.

(02-28-2019 07:26 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  
(02-27-2019 06:04 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  I told you so from the very beginning -It's about oil. In order ta save the petro-dollar and to face its two geopolitical rivals, China & Russia, the US will wage war against Venezuela to capture the largest oil reserves in the World.
US amasses special ops in Puerto Rico, army in Colombia to oust Maduro according to the Russian Security Council.
By deploying troops and special ops forces to Puerto Rico and Colombia, Washington is getting ready to intervene in Venezuela and topple its leader, the secretary of Russia’s Security Council said.
The US is “preparing for a military invasion” in Venezuela, Nikolai Patrushev told Russian media on Tuesday.
The relocation of American special forces’ units to Puerto Rico, the deployment of the US Army units to Colombia and other facts evidently show that Pentagon is enhancing its military in the region in order to use it in ousting… President [Nicolas] Maduro.
“The people of Venezuela understand this clearly,” Patrushev said, adding that this notion increases popular support for Maduro and drives the government to reject the aid offered by “an aggressor state.”
Shame on you, America! Shame on you!

The oil could be already considered USA's, there is not way Russia or China get their hands in Venezuela oil. Is geographically impossible for China or Russia to try anything in Latin America.

There's this specialized type of boat optimized for nothing other than moving large amounts of oil between continents.

In related matters... Artisan gold mining is a thing in Venezuela. Small groups of men going into the jungles and mountains with hand tools to produce ~10 grams of gold per man-month. Venezuela isn't just oil rich, it is mineral rich. And tropical beach paradise rich. Venezuelan cuisine is pretty good too.

(03-01-2019 08:38 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  
(02-27-2019 11:57 AM)911 Wrote:  Maduro is nowhere near a proper dictator, Assad or Gaddafi, who fit that bill (although both are clearly better for their country than the globalist aternative) would have had all opposition leaders purged, pronto. He's not even a Putin-grade strongman, he's got more than enough basis for charging Guaido with treason and arresting him.

Why can't Maduro do a slow transition to a China like Economy? Is there anything he can do to resolve this crisis?

Well, Maduro can keep drilling the military and winning elections by large margins by pointing at the loud enemies outside the gates. Maybe along the way he gets better at running a state by taking lessons from Putin, Ergodan, and Xi?

Voters in democracies generally don't pick the best. Not the best people, not the best outcomes. Consider Trump is the best person the US could get now even though there was a time New York had even more serious businessmen and managers who make Trump look like a clown. It's too late to vote for them though because they are all dead. Trump's all the US has left which means he can't surround himself with good people. This means Madame Secretary Pompeo and John Bolton beating war drums because the only other people with experience want to paint the world pink for Soros.

This standoff is making the US state department "soft power" apparatus look very impotent on the world stage. I see no reason why a US military intervention in Venezuela would be any less embarrassing than Iraq, Libya, or Syria.

(03-01-2019 09:08 AM)lonewolf1992 Wrote:  I respect those who are against the military intervention as you know, 'venezuela is none of our bussiness' and that is completely reasonable. Now I think is maybe is due to language barrier that some folks in here even have some sympathy for Maduro. The guy is literally one the most stupid, silly and naive 'politicians' we have seen in our lives, from the left and right we call him 'maburro' that stands for donkey. Even Chavez was a clever socialist piece of shit but the venezuelans know he was no pussy. Maduro is complete idiot you just have to see all the stupid things he say in his speeches. Man I fucking hate that pig. Cheers to everyone.

Maduro doesn't seem anymore dishonest than Peron, Lula, the Kirchners, Pepe Mujica, or Mother Merkel. Democracy has a structural problem in the inadequacy of the common homo sapien. People suck and they make bad decisions.

A lot of Venezuelan voters like Maduro and they respond enthusiastically to his sales pitch. Cubans overwhelmingly voted for a constitution that keeps the same people in power. Nearly 87% of ballots in favor, ~9% opposed, and 4.5 percent of ballots were blank or spoiled. When's the last time a US election reported the number of blank or spoiled ballots instead of engaging in "hanging chad" wank over "voter intent" after the fact.

Maduro is a problem for people in Venezuela who want a high standard of living, but he is a godsend for people who want to bucket crab their way to equality.

Chavez being clever is not a credit to Chavez. Chavez being clever is how Maduro got stuck leaving behind a comfortable life as the coolest of the bus drivers to try to drive an absolute mess now that the clever's run out. Clever hacks are why contemporary computing is an absolute mess. Venezuela is what happens when someone tries to run a country in the same way.
Luvianka · 2019-03-01 13:06:00 · #1323
Oh, God! Day after day reality shows up.
Since Mr MAGA wants to rob Venezuelan oil to save the American economy from collapse now Venezuelan Government is moving to... Russia!
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Venezuelan Vice President Delcy Rodriguez hold a joint press conference in Moscow as part of her official visit.
Venezuelan Vice President Delcy Rodriguez, speaking at a press conference, said that Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has decided to close PDVSA's office in Lisbon and move it to Moscow.
Nice move, however I'd move it to Shanghai and Hong Kong.
SamuelBRoberts · 2019-03-01 17:52:00 · #1324
(03-01-2019 09:08 AM)lonewolf1992 Wrote:  I respect those who are against the military intervention as you know, 'venezuela is none of our bussiness' and that is completely reasonable. Now I think is maybe is due to language barrier that some folks in here even have some sympathy for Maduro. The guy is literally one the most stupid, silly and naive 'politicians' we have seen in our lives, from the left and right we call him 'maburro' that stands for donkey. Even Chavez was a clever socialist piece of shit but the venezuelans know he was no pussy. Maduro is complete idiot you just have to see all the stupid things he say in his speeches. Man I fucking hate that pig. Cheers to everyone.

If he's willing to throw George Ramos in jail, how bad a guy can he be, really?
Foolsgo1d · 2019-03-01 21:35:00 · #1325
(03-01-2019 09:08 AM)lonewolf1992 Wrote:  I respect those who are against the military intervention as you know, 'venezuela is none of our bussiness' and that is completely reasonable. Now I think is maybe is due to language barrier that some folks in here even have some sympathy for Maduro. The guy is literally one the most stupid, silly and naive 'politicians' we have seen in our lives, from the left and right we call him 'maburro' that stands for donkey. Even Chavez was a clever socialist piece of shit but the venezuelans know he was no pussy. Maduro is complete idiot you just have to see all the stupid things he say in his speeches. Man I fucking hate that pig. Cheers to everyone.

I remember the Minister of Information in Iraq, that guy was a fucking laugh a day everytime he was on.

Maduro is an idiot, like many SA leaders before him but he is not going to destroy your country like the US would and you dont need to go very far to see proof of this.
CaptainChardonnay · 2019-03-02 13:27:00 · #1326


SamuelBRoberts · 2019-03-02 14:32:00 · #1327
I would let Maduro stay in power if he agreed to put Styx Hexenhammer in a particularly unpleasant prison camp.

Anyway look like we're not invading after all, which is good news!
Go Trump, for not taking neocon bait!
CaptainChardonnay · 2019-03-02 14:44:00 · #1328


911 · 2019-03-02 17:49:00 · #1329
Captn, the Libya vid is by a normie open borders globalist, he presents the Libyan invasion as some kind of well-meaning humanitarian mission that somehow went wrong, as if Iraq never happened, when in fact it was just a mission to destroy the country, destabilize the region (fueling the African immigration onslaught into Europe), and to steal its gold and assets, preventing Gaddafi from establishing an alternative gold-backed organic regional currency. The ensuing chaos after the invasion was by design.

Here's the same normie fruitcake sucking Trudeau's pole:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHQ2lrAjKQk
(no need to click, it's just this fruitcake fawning over Justine T.)
CaptainChardonnay · 2019-03-02 18:02:00 · #1330
(03-02-2019 05:49 PM)911 Wrote:  Captn, the Libya vid is by a normie open borders globalist, he presents the Libyan invasion as some kind of well-meaning humanitarian mission that somehow went wrong, as if Iraq never happened, when in fact it was just a mission to destroy the country, destabilize the region (fueling the African immigration onslaught into Europe), and to steal its gold and assets, preventing Gaddafi from establishing an alternative gold-backed organic regional currency. The ensuing chaos after the invasion was by design.

Here's the same normie fruitcake sucking Trudeau's pole:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHQ2lrAjKQk
(no need to click, it's just this fruitcake fawning over Justine T.)

He had some interesting "official narrative" takes that I didn't know about which is why I posted.
RexImperator · 2019-03-04 14:45:00 · #1331
I read that Elliot Abrams is pushing to get TPS declared for Venezuelan migrants to the USA.

“Invade the world, invite the world” really is a brilliant summation of neoconservatism.
Samseau · 2019-03-04 16:16:00 · #1332
Why anyone here shills for Venezuela is beyond me. He's a mass-murderer.

Not only do our allies, Brazil and Columbia, hate Venezuela, but the Chavistas are responsible for creating huge waves of refugees that are pushing northward into the USA.

He is a ruthless commie who deserves to be treated as he treats his people, with no mercy.

Drop a few hundred megaton bombs on his head. Let the right wingers take over the country and hopefully the people remain inside Venezuela instead of flooding our borders.
Foolsgo1d · 2019-03-04 18:23:00 · #1333
(03-04-2019 04:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Why anyone here shills for Venezuela is beyond me. He's a mass-murderer.

Not only do our allies, Brazil and Columbia, hate Venezuela, but the Chavistas are responsible for creating huge waves of refugees that are pushing northward into the USA.

He is a ruthless commie who deserves to be treated as he treats his people, with no mercy.

Drop a few hundred megaton bombs on his head. Let the right wingers take over the country and hopefully the people remain inside Venezuela instead of flooding our borders.

Its always amusing to see so-called America First people hoping for the destruction of a country close to them.

"Shilling"

Please point out where Maduro is a mass murderer. I'm dying to see those stats. Oh and while you're at it please tell me how many people died in Iraq 2.0?
911 · 2019-03-04 19:09:00 · #1334
(03-04-2019 02:45 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  I read that Elliot Abrams is pushing to get TPS declared for Venezuelan migrants to the USA.

“Invade the world, invite the world” really is a brilliant summation of neoconservatism.

Abrams is a neocon Jewish supremacist, who after being discredited in the Iran Contra affair went into retirement from politics, and wrote some personal memoirs about his philosophy for his own community, clearly laying out the double standard.

Here below are some excerpts from and comments about his book, "Faith or Fear", which show the double standards on two levels, both in his belief that American culture is encroaching on Judaic values (with ironically, liberal Judaism driving that culture), and on his level as a high-level neocon political operative who has been actively fueling mass immigration from Latin America by destabilizing countries like Nicaragua and Honduras, which weakens and dilutes heritage American culture, just as his neocon colleagues have destabilized the middle east in order to flood Europe with migrants, weakening European culture.

He's strongly against intermarriage with goyim, which he views as "pollution of Jewish identity":

Quote:the accommodationists are wrong. Intermarriage is both inevitable in our open society, and immensely threatening to Jewish continuity here. The Jewish community must avoid excuses and circumlocutions, and recognize that only a powerful Jewish identity built on the faith and practice of Judaism can enable young American Jews to resist the temptation of intermarriage. Only that faith can explain to them why they should resist the melting pot and build a family that takes its place in the covenant of Abraham.

Quote:Elliott Abrams’s book, Faith or Fear. He wrote it a dozen years ago, during his lion in winter phase, when he probably thought he’d never get back into power. Its credo: Jewish "separatism," which Abrams openly praises. He suggests that Jews should sit shiva (mourn as dead) Jews who marry out.

"Scolding, rejection, and exclusion" worked, he says. Now’s the time to elevate "separatism and particularism, group identity and group survival, above social integration, individualism, and liberal ideals." Strong medicine? "Wrenching changes" are necessary in the Jewish community to avert the pollution of Jewish identity and community. The walls have to go back up.

It’s not just intermarriage, it’s Christian values, "in which personal faith is the key and community membership and solidarity are of much less importance." These individualistic Christian "traditions" leak into intermarried households. Whereas the Jewish "covenant with God… imposes special obligations upon [Jews]" to inculcate that aforesaid "community membership and solidarity." The Jewish community has been "wrecked" by intermarriage, and every Jew must "instruct his or her children in Judaism, not in the virtues of free thinking. Judaism imposes obligations binding on one and on one’s offspring."

Quote: CounterPunch magazine ran an extensive article on one of the leading neoconservatives, Elliot Abrams. The article shows clearly the thoroughly Jewish roots and currents that make the neocon movement nothing more than a Jewish supremacist apparatus. One of the more revealing quotes shows that Abrams had even written a paper on how American secularism is a threat to Jewish identity. Yes, Jewish identity is paramount, and Jewish success and power is dependent on destroying the “identity” of those who might oppose the Jewish identity and agenda. Abrams and all the Jewish neocons operate under the guiding principle that the more fractured and multicultural a society is the more amenable it is to Jewish ultra-ethnicism. One fascinating area is how many of the Liberals who opposed the war are now in lockstep with the Neocons. But, then when you examine the ethnic identity of those liberals you find again the one linking, powerful factor in the world’s political dynamics: Jewish supremacism. Even if support of Israel’s ultra-racist agenda is a violation of every liberal taboo, so be it, for it is not about liberalism or conservatism at all, it is simply about Jewish supremacism.

Quote: Jews are "above all members of a religious community," he wrote in that book, his emphasis. "Outside the land of Israel, there can be no doubt that Jews, faithful to the covenant between God and Abraham, are to stand apart from the nation in which they live. It is the very nature of being Jewish to be apart–except in Israel–from the rest of the population."



Knowing precisely how Abrams feels about the danger of the melting pot "polluting" his tribe, it's fairly clear what his goal is when he destabilizes Central America, and advocates for letting in refugees from Latin America and other places like Haiti (see his article below). So if Venezuela is thrown into a Syria-like 10 year civil war with 5 million refugees, look for Abrams and his fellow neocons to advocate for open borders.




Elliott Abrams: Let more Haitians move to U.S.


Elliott Abrams | senior fellow at National Council on Foreign Relations Jan 23, 2010

The outpouring of pledges to “rebuild” Haiti has spurred debate about how much aid will be needed, for how long and who could administer such a large program efficiently. In 2008, the last year for which statistics are available, Haiti received more than $900 million in all forms of aid, and many analysts suggest that total must be doubled if “recovery” is to happen. But it is doubtful whether such additional commitments will be made — and kept — as Haiti moves off the front pages.

“Rebuilding” and “recovery” would merely take Haiti, this hemisphere’s poorest country, back to where it stood before the Jan. 12 earthquake. Surely, our goal is to do better. We must increase aid but also allow Haitians to help themselves, and there is no way they can do that sitting in a devastated nation. A substantial number of Haitians must be allowed to move to richer countries -- including ours.

Haiti has approximately 9 million citizens, and 1 million to 2 million Haitians live outside their country. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, half a million people born in Haiti live in the United States, and estimates put several hundred thousand in Canada and as many as 100,000 in France. Those migrants send home $1.9 billion in remittances -- double the official aid flows and equal to 30 percent of Haiti’s gross domestic product.

These sums are greatly exceeded by some of Haiti’s neighbors. The 1.3 million Dominicans living in the United States send home $3 billion in remittances, an amount 20 times as much as official aid flows. A million Hondurans living abroad send home $2.7 billion, providing eight times the global foreign aid Honduras receives. The 1.5 million Salvadorans living here send home $3.8 billion, 15 times official aid flows.

A larger Haitian diaspora would be a far better base for the country’s economic future than aid pledges that may or may not be met. If several hundred thousand more Haitians were able to migrate, those Dominican, Honduran or Salvadoran numbers suggest that remittances to Haiti would give its economy a huge and continuing jolt.

This would require Canada, France and the United States -- the First World countries with the largest Haitian diaspora communities -- to adopt a different and more liberal immigration policy toward Haiti. Canada has already stepped up, expediting immigration applications from Haitians with family members living there. Canada’s immigration minister noted that “we anticipate there will be a number of new applications, which we will treat on a priority basis.”

But France and the United States have so far agreed only to no longer send Haitians back to Haiti. Washington has granted “temporary protected status,” or TPS, meaning that deportation of Haitians already in the United States is stayed for 18 months. In fact, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has suggested that Haitians must stay where they are despite conditions on the island, saying in a Jan. 15 statement: “At this moment of tragedy in Haiti it is tempting for people suffering in the aftermath of the earthquake to seek refuge elsewhere. But attempting to leave Haiti now will only bring more hardship to the Haitian people and nation.”

The secretary went on: “The Department of Homeland Security continues to extend sympathy to our Haitian neighbors and support the worldwide relief effort under way in every way we can.”
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Well, not every way we can -- for one of the best ways to help Haiti is to allow some Haitians to move abroad. It is ridiculous to argue that leaving Haiti in the coming year or two “will only bring more hardship to the Haitian people and nation.” Migration would mean that Haiti needs to provide fewer hospital beds, schools, meals and jobs -- and migrants’ remittances will be key to Haiti’s economic recovery for decades to come.

President Obama said that the disaster in Haiti “is one of those moments that calls out for American leadership.” He should be asking Congress not only to provide aid funds but also to allow a significant increase in the number of Haitians legally admitted to the United States -- to several times the roughly 25,000 per year in the past decade. Canada and France should do the same. There are no panaceas for Haiti’s recovery, but any sensible approach must include migration from the island. If the United States is committed to giving Haiti hope for the future, enlarging the Haitian diaspora is a sure-fire way to succeed.

Elliott Abrams, a senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, was assistant secretary of state for inter-American affairs in the Reagan administration and a deputy national security adviser to President George W. Bush. This column first appeared in the Washington Post.
Curunír · 2019-03-04 21:27:00 · #1335
(03-04-2019 04:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Why anyone here shills for Venezuela is beyond me. He's a mass-murderer.

Not only do our allies, Brazil and Columbia, hate Venezuela, but the Chavistas are responsible for creating huge waves of refugees that are pushing northward into the USA.

He is a ruthless commie who deserves to be treated as he treats his people, with no mercy.

Drop a few hundred megaton bombs on his head. Let the right wingers take over the country and hopefully the people remain inside Venezuela instead of flooding our borders.

Yeah, while you left Samseau it seems like every thread in the political forum is just like a balance who finishes by being pointed in the same direction. Anti US anti jewish anti this and that. On this thread we have seen people posting stats for Maduro and even economical charts.

I would find this less absurd if I actually understood the point of some of these posters. I get black pill I get the nihilism, but I don't get is their goal, values or anything.

But yeah Maduro is super popular here he's big. Some guys would cry I think if something bad happened to him.
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