(02-24-2019 06:39 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Marco Rubio posting pictures of Gadaffi and implying that he wants to do to Venezeula what we did to Libya.

That foamboy faggot had better not get what he wants.

I checked... This is a real tweet from a politician. These sadistic war mongering fucks don't even hide it anymore.

Why doesn't Maduro order the arrest of Guiado?

Also, journalist Max Blumenthal went to Caracas and found out that supermarkets are fully stocked

https://www.rt.com/news/452158-blumentha...t-shelves/

(02-24-2019 12:35 PM)911 Wrote:  

Venezuela's economy tanked more recently, most likely because of stepped-up US sanctions and globalist economic hit jobs, because they were actually doing fairly well the decade before under Chavez, it's not like Maduro changed the course.

Venezuela's economy tanked for the same reason Saudi Arabia's economy will tank when the oil runs out.



Notice anything in common between the Venezuela GDP and crude oil prices around 2002?

Venezuela's government did exactly the same thing that most dumb governments do: overspent a commodities boom.

Oh, and this thing?



Read the source. It's Fox News as at the year 2010, you know, back before Maduro went and nationalised most of the country's crucial resources, i.e., food.

Agree with this.

(02-24-2019 07:16 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Why doesn't Maduro order the arrest of Guiado?

Also, journalist Max Blumenthal went to Caracas and found out that supermarkets are fully stocked

https://www.rt.com/news/452158-blumentha...t-shelves/

RT is a leftist newsmedia. That shit is staged. There are 2.000.000 Venezuelans in Colombia! And my country is a shithole, I don't feel bad admitting we are pretty fucked up! And guess what, Those venezuelans are better off in here than in Venezuela. It's like the colombian dream to them. They are literally thankful they can go eat empanadas and go to the grocery store. Go figure how things are in venezuela. I have not so close venezuelan family who arrived here three years ago and left their properties and belongings to earn a 200 USD a month and have some better future in here. I used to work with an ex-supreme court lawyer from venezuela who was taking calls in a call center earning 300 USD a month. Bussiness men, doctors, lawyers, highly educated people are coming and literally working in low-paying jobs. I feel like an american now lol. You can even get a hot venezuela girl to fuck you for 10 or 8 USD so she can send some money to her family back. I don't want a full scale war near my country but I don't know if venezuela can turn into a small North Korea if we keep maduro in power. I don't know if that retarded comunist regime can give in peacefully. Socialism is EVIL.

(02-24-2019 01:27 PM)911 Wrote:  

(02-24-2019 01:04 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Quote:Venezuela's economy tanked more recently, most likely because of stepped-up US sanctions and globalist economic hit jobs, because they were actually doing fairly well the decade before under Chavez, it's not like Maduro changed the course. It's pretty similar to the way Iraq's economy cratered in the 90s under US sanctions.

OR, it's a common feature of bloated socialist mastodons to eventually implode in a spectacular fashion, because bloated socialist policies eventually result in chickens coming home to roost, whether these policies are run by a "benevolent prime minister" like Chavez or a "brutal dictator" like Maduro. For an example just check out Yugoslavia, which inevitably experienced tremendous hyperinflation/shortages and eventually collapsed despite its favorable position, fairly moderate socialism and a ton of foreign aid/remittances.

And in regards to US sanctions, there is much more to the world than US. Go trade with Russia, China, Latin America, Africa and Asia instead of blaming it on a country 1000 miles away.

Venezuela has a mixed economy, with a large private sector:



^^^^This is not Tito's economy.

It's not, but:

A) This is from 2010, just a few years after Chavez started the socialist project in 2007 and Maduro continued driving it. For example, in 2010 and 2011 Maduro started confiscating oil rigs, a far more severe move than simply buying out some companies like in 2007, so there's no way this chart reflects those events.

B) If we have all been wrong about Venezuela all along and it's actually a free market economy similar to Norway, why do all the world's socialists hail it as an example and its ruling party is called Socialist?

(02-24-2019 07:43 PM)lonewolf1992 Wrote:  I don't want a full scale war near my country but I don't know if venezuela can turn into a small North Korea if we keep maduro in power. I don't know if that retarded comunist regime can give in peacefully. Socialism is EVIL.

Socialism isn't inherently evil, it just requires an ethnically homogeneous, high trust, high average IQ population, like Japan, Germany, or Scandinavian countries. Socialism also needs to be combined with nationalism to be successful, or you get the case of modern Europe subsidizing their own invaders.

In any case, the current situation in Venezuela has nothing to do with American interests. There is no real "American foreign policy" as long as the U.S. government remains under Zionist occupation. All of this isn't being done for the American people, ultimately its being done for the benefit of someone else -- ZOG. With that in mind it is hard to see any reason to support another dumb intervention that just serves the interest of ZOG.

Love the people posting graphs, stats and what not about the Venezuelan economy.

Did I miss the posts about the 80 000% inflation in 2018 and the fact it could hit 1 000 000% in 2019? Or the GDP growth for the last years? -6.0% (2015), -16.5% (2016),
-14.5% (2017e), -14.3% (2018f).

Never seen so much people scared that socialism would be crushed than on this thread. Now we also have posters saying it's actually a jewish plot against Maduro that's new. In fact why not do a two for one? Cubans are fed up to the neck also, I went on vacation there and poor people were telling me they can't eat meat, chicken, only rice and beans. Such a beautiful country with beautiful people, ruined by socialism. Reminds me of Venezuela.

Yeah, that's what everybody is scared of. Socialism being crushed.

Not another Iraq or Afghanistan, wasting lives and billions of dollars, we're all big fans of socialism and worried that it will "crushed".

(02-24-2019 07:43 PM)lonewolf1992 Wrote:  

(02-24-2019 07:16 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Why doesn't Maduro order the arrest of Guiado?

Also, journalist Max Blumenthal went to Caracas and found out that supermarkets are fully stocked

https://www.rt.com/news/452158-blumentha...t-shelves/

RT is a leftist newsmedia. That shit is staged. There are 2.000.000 Venezuelans in Colombia! And my country is a shithole, I don't feel bad admitting we are pretty fucked up! And guess what, Those venezuelans are better off in here than in Venezuela. It's like the colombian dream to them. They are literally thankful they can go eat empanadas and go to the grocery store. Go figure how things are in venezuela. I have not so close venezuelan family who arrived here three years ago and left their properties and belongings to earn a 200 USD a month and have some better future in here. I used to work with an ex-supreme court lawyer from venezuela who was taking calls in a call center earning 300 USD a month. Bussiness men, doctors, lawyers, highly educated people are coming and literally working in low-paying jobs. I feel like an american now lol. You can even get a hot venezuela girl to fuck you for 10 or 8 USD so she can send some money to her family back. I don't want a full scale war near my country but I don't know if venezuela can turn into a small North Korea if we keep maduro in power. I don't know if that retarded comunist regime can give in peacefully. Socialism is EVIL.

Lonewolf1992, i admire your intentions, but arguing with some people in this forum that took the "USA is evil everytime/Jews are controlling everything" hook way deep is futile.

My experience with Venezuelans here in Argentina is the same as you. I actually know some of them, and even bang a good number of venezuelan girls. Everyone of them hate Chavez/Madure/Lefties. Heck, one of them, humble guy who left everything and came by fucking bus from there with his mother, almost kick the crap out of a champagne lefty we meet in Palermo.

(02-24-2019 08:18 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Yeah, that's what everybody is scared of. Socialism being crushed.

Not another Iraq or Afghanistan, wasting lives and billions of dollars, we're all big fans of socialism and worried that it will "crushed".

How can you compare helping Cubans or Venezuelans live a better life and be free of socialism to Iraqis and Afghans that share no ressemblance with western values and whose countries to the West have no interest. Invading them were terrible mistakes, no one as of now I think is talking about a full scale invasion, I think some people like me are cheering for Maduro to fall because he's an idiot so was Chavez and he ruined that country. Are all members here supposed to be for Maduro? Against regime change there? Is that an expectation for you?

(02-24-2019 08:29 PM)Curunír Wrote:  Are all members here supposed to be for Maduro? Against regime change there? Is that an expectation for you?

Yeah, I'd expect anybody smart enough to figure out how to use a keyboard to know better than to support "regime change" after all the misery it's caused over the past 18 years.

How dumb do you have to be to look back at the disasters in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, and say, "Let's do it again! This time it'll be different!"?

(02-24-2019 08:25 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  Lonewolf1992, i admire your intentions, but arguing with some people in this forum that took the "USA is evil everytime/Jews are controlling everything" hook way deep is futile.

My experience with Venezuelans here in Argentina is the same as you. I actually know some of them, and even bang a good number of venezuelan girls. Everyone of them hate Chavez/Madure/Lefties. Heck, one of them, humble guy who left everything and came by fucking bus from there with his mother, almost kick the crap out of a champagne lefty we meet in Palermo.

That's a tear-jerking story, but as SamB points out, why in the fuck should we get involved? Whatever is going on in VZ is none of my concern. And I can assure you the average American has bigger priorities, like trying to pay off their emergency room visits and dealing with the higher and higher cost of living. But no, let us invade Caracas because muh humanitarianism.

(02-24-2019 08:48 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(02-24-2019 08:29 PM)Curunír Wrote:  Are all members here supposed to be for Maduro? Against regime change there? Is that an expectation for you?

Yeah, I'd expect anybody smart enough to figure out how to use a keyboard to know better than to support "regime change" after all the misery it's caused over the past 18 years.

How dumb do you have to be to look back at the disasters in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, and say, "Let's do it again! This time it'll be different!"?

The vitriol. I don't get it.

But to respond to your question, maybe because those were all Muslim countries? With crazy people I don't care about? That could only be ruled by dictators and have poor genes?

Maybe because I respect and I'm found of Cuban and Venezuelan people, their intelligence, their creativity, their beauty? Maybe because I see the situation as it is and not through 4 inch thick ideological lenses like you? But the key point: I think the people would SUPPORT the regime change and it would be great. I think people would be flocking in the streets of Havana and Caracas like 1945 Amsterdam. I think it would get Trump reelected. I think it would secure a North South conservative alliance in the Americas. I think a lot of good things would happen.

Come on Sam, it is different this time, they speak Spanish.

To our Latin American posters eager for regime change: maybe you guys can pitch in a few pesos, and volunteer to take up arms to make it happen this time?

I'm surprised this has taken so long. Venezuela has been teetering on the edge for years!

(02-06-2016 02:09 PM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 10:34 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Just watched a video about 720% Hyperinflation in Venezuala.

source: ZeroHedge

Talk about synchronicity. Today, I had lunch with a few friends, one of whom is a respected economist in Venezuela (Ph.D. type) and he is expecting over 700% inflation in 2016 or about 2% per day. He mentioned that some of his banking colleagues consider that 900-1000% as a possibility depending on what transpires with the government bond payments in October 2016. Right now they are working on a gold-swap agreement with Deutsche Bank; which is an interesting economic story in itself. Another of the group mentioned that Venezuela flew in thirty six, 747 cargo airplanes this week loaded with 100 BsF notes.

(02-24-2019 08:55 PM)Curunír Wrote:  The vitriol. I don't get it.

But to respond to your question, maybe because those were all Muslim countries? With crazy people I don't care about? That could only be ruled by dictators and have poor genes?

Maybe because I respect and I'm found of Cuban and Venezuelan people, their intelligence, their creativity, their beauty? Maybe because I see the situation as it is and not through 4 inch thick ideological lenses like you? But the key point: I think the people would SUPPORT the regime change and it would be great. I think people would be flocking in the streets of Havana and Caracas like 1945 Amsterdam. I think it would get Trump reelected. I think it would secure a North South conservative alliance in the Americas. I think a lot of good things would happen.

The people that voted for Trump want this type of bullshit to end. We want to spend money to build up our own country and people.

I'd be more than happy to get some popcorn and watch Canada step up and do it. Have at it. Do some good, man.

A regime change or any type of war will not help Trump. If anything, it will hurt him. You don't seem to understand why people voted for Trump to begin with.

(02-24-2019 08:55 PM)Curunír Wrote:  The vitriol. I don't get it.

Libya is now, after our intervention, such a failed state that they're buying and selling slaves in open-air markets. Look at those pictures, they're the result of the last time someone said "Regime change is a good idea." That's where the vitriol comes from, the very real suffering that was caused by this failed idea.

Quote:But to respond to your question, maybe because those were all Muslim countries? With crazy people I don't care about? That could only be ruled by dictators and have poor genes?

So THAT group of brown people is too stupid to enjoy the benefits of regime change, but THIS group of brown people will love it.

Quote:I think the people would SUPPORT the regime change and it would be great. I think people would be flocking in the streets of Havana and Caracas like 1945 Amsterdam. I think it would get Trump reelected. I think it would secure a North South conservative alliance in the Americas. I think a lot of good things would happen.

You think we will, in fact, be "greeted as liberators"?


We had this exact argument with Iraq. It'll be great! The people will flock to the streets and support us!

Yeah, turned out that didn't happen.

(02-24-2019 08:55 PM)Curunír Wrote:  

(02-24-2019 08:48 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(02-24-2019 08:29 PM)Curunír Wrote:  Are all members here supposed to be for Maduro? Against regime change there? Is that an expectation for you?

Yeah, I'd expect anybody smart enough to figure out how to use a keyboard to know better than to support "regime change" after all the misery it's caused over the past 18 years.

How dumb do you have to be to look back at the disasters in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, and say, "Let's do it again! This time it'll be different!"?

The vitriol. I don't get it.

But to respond to your question, maybe because those were all Muslim countries? With crazy people I don't care about? That could only be ruled by dictators and have poor genes?

Maybe because I respect and I'm found of Cuban and Venezuelan people, their intelligence, their creativity, their beauty? Maybe because I see the situation as it is and not through 4 inch thick ideological lenses like you? But the key point: I think the people would SUPPORT the regime change and it would be great. I think people would be flocking in the streets of Havana and Caracas like 1945 Amsterdam. I think it would get Trump reelected. I think it would secure a North South conservative alliance in the Americas. I think a lot of good things would happen.

fatherly embrace.

Speaking of dictators with bad genes, maybe Trump could liberate us first instead? I'll pitch in for that. Come on, we've got almost as much oil as those caribbean wetbacks! And besides, Justin Castro got a smaller percentage of the total electorate than Maduro did in the last election.

No really maduro won more votes than a Canadian politician in an election boycotted by half the country.

And what has that idiot justin Trudeau to do with this I though it was a serious discussion.

(02-24-2019 07:43 PM)lonewolf1992 Wrote:  

(02-24-2019 07:16 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Why doesn't Maduro order the arrest of Guiado?

Also, journalist Max Blumenthal went to Caracas and found out that supermarkets are fully stocked

https://www.rt.com/news/452158-blumentha...t-shelves/

RT is a leftist newsmedia. That shit is staged. There are 2.000.000 Venezuelans in Colombia! And my country is a shithole, I don't feel bad admitting we are pretty fucked up! And guess what, Those venezuelans are better off in here than in Venezuela. It's like the colombian dream to them. They are literally thankful they can go eat empanadas and go to the grocery store. Go figure how things are in venezuela. I have not so close venezuelan family who arrived here three years ago and left their properties and belongings to earn a 200 USD a month and have some better future in here. I used to work with an ex-supreme court lawyer from venezuela who was taking calls in a call center earning 300 USD a month. Bussiness men, doctors, lawyers, highly educated people are coming and literally working in low-paying jobs. I feel like an american now lol. You can even get a hot venezuela girl to fuck you for 10 or 8 USD so she can send some money to her family back. I don't want a full scale war near my country but I don't know if venezuela can turn into a small North Korea if we keep maduro in power. I don't know if that retarded comunist regime can give in peacefully. Socialism is EVIL.

First thing about that video is that Blumenthal comes to precisely the same conclusion as anyone with a basic understanding of fiat currency does:

Quote:“There isn’t an issue here with food distribution or food scarcity,” Blumenthal concludes. “The issue is the buying power of Venezuelans has been completely destroyed because their currency has been so badly weakened by hyperinflation, speculation and the flood of dollars that the government can’t control here, as well as hoarding by private capitalist elements that support the opposition.”

Hyperinflation is, at all times and places, a wholly self-inflicted injury. The "flood" of dollars involved are the worthless bolivars that commodities are priced in. If there were a flood of US dollars in the country, the situation would stabilise itself very quickly because the US currency would become a currency that is trusted ... or at least trusted more than the toilet paper the bolivar currently is.

Also standard for government in hyperinflation scenarios: blaming hoarders. The "private capitalist elements" they're talking about are likely Venezuelans who do understand the basics of fiat currency and are accordingly stockpiling small consumer goods in order not to starve. Hoarding is basically the only way you survive under hyperinflationary conditions, because a small consumer good retains its value a lot better than the bullshit currency you bought it with.

Judges, doctors, lawyers, and businessmen working for pennies in other countries is also standard in hyperinflation. Hyperinflation always devastates the middle class, the class that has most of its wealth in currency-denominated assets. The poor are used to playing on Survival Mode and the rich have jets and use them the moment this sort of situation arises.

The useful information out of your on-the-ground is that Venezuelans will bang you for pennies on the US dollar. That's because the US dollar is a more trusted form of currency in Venezuela at this moment. You could offer them a million bolivars and they wouldn't uncross their legs for you. Just have a think about how bad it is in Venezuela, if a Venezuela ex-pat 8 can feed her family for a few weeks on a couple of US dollars.

What's increasingly amazing is the dimwitted premise that the only options on the table are invade/don't.

It goes to show just how degraded the brain of the average person is in this day and age. Or maybe people have been that retarded from the beginning. It's hard to say. But the reality is that most people these days are so numbed in the brain that when the television people say "our options are invade or don't invade" then they just nod dumbly.

"Maduro man bad. Liberation good. Orange man must liberate!"

All I hear on the radio is that Maduro has refused international aid on the border, and the average person is too stupid by an order of magnitude to read bewteen the lines. As if Maduro is just ignoring the free stuff because he obviously wants his people to suffer.

Obviously those supplies come on conditions that the media isn't going to bother to report, conditions doubtless including the admission of thousands of "aid distribution workers" who just happen to be drawing their paychecks from a Langley area code. Few Western dimwits will even bother to ask whether the cost of an invasion would be more/less than just dropping aid into the country gratis, but if you did something as silly as that then you might end up with a food/medicine industrial complex instead of a military industrial complex.

Can't have that, now. What a ridiculous notion.

As someone else said, the government should help out Detroit or some other struggling US cities before it tries to help Venezuela.

(02-24-2019 08:29 PM)Curunír Wrote:  Invading them were terrible mistakes, no one as of now I think is talking about a full scale invasion, I think some people like me are cheering for Maduro to fall because he's an idiot so was Chavez and he ruined that country. Are all members here supposed to be for Maduro? Against regime change there? Is that an expectation for you?

Curunir, maybe there's a reading comphrehension or language gap here, but you keep trying to force the forum into specific labels or camps. It's not a good way to argue as it comes off as intellectually dishonest

It's possible for a man to be against Chavez policies, Maduro, the opposition, AND also against a U.S. military invasion.

I also haven't seen you spell out your perfect solution and timeline. If you are going to attack others, you should have it all figured out first.

(02-24-2019 10:06 PM)zoom Wrote:  As someone else said, the government should help out Detroit or some other struggling US cities before it tries to help Venezuela.

The only problem with that is Curunír isn't fond of Detroit like he is of Venezuela.

I find it reasonable for anyone to have an opinion on the regime changes and wars that the US did screw up. I just find it odd that someone from another country is telling us who we should go to war with because he is found of the people. That has to be a troll account.