(05-01-2019 10:20 AM)Going strong Wrote:  One might start to wonder if the real target all along was never Venezuela, but Cuba.

I mean, things currently stand like this: Maduro has not received his (not costly, mind you, your taxes wouldn't be raised) Hellfire missile, and instead he rejoices, exercises (the dude has lost weight and looks rejuvenated, happy as fuck) and actually strengthens his grip on power - but meanwhile, Cuba is about to lose the whole imported oil from Venezuela, plus the Helms-Burton exemptions lifted (which could soon spark a vicious economic war with the EU that swore to retaliate), plus a possible, quote, "full blockade". Grim perspectives indeed for Cuba.

So at the end of the day, Maduro survives and laughs (and sends its oil and gold to Turkey, bye bye Havana), but Cuba meanwhile will suffer like never before. Was it the goal all along?

Mind you, I don't see how the US could accommodate millions and millions of (Cuban, if you know what it means: real tough, and street-sharp, people) refugees in Florida, if the Cuban government is ultimately strangled, but who knows, maybe there is a master-plan somewhere, for Cuba?

In any case, one also has to wonder what Cuba is gaining, today, by backing Maduro?, if Maduro for the foreseeable future can not export anything of value anymore to Cuba. Where is the net gain for Cuba, now that Maduro cannot export oil? Keeping face, sure, but what else?

So if I were the (well-educated) Cuban president, I would urgently negotiate with Guaido and/or Leopoldo Lopez (or who knows, with President Trump himself, a NK-like scenario), to find a new ally, an ally that will be able to export oil soon. And I would do it fast, before the Russians hurriedly replace Cuban officers with their own, with Maduro's blessing.

^ Pressure on Cuba would certainly be one way to make sure to keep Florida red in 2020.

Rumor has it that Maduro, yesterday, was about to climb aboard a plane (a Bombardier GE), heading in panic to Havana. And supposedly, the Russians ordered him off the plane.

Well, as I wrote here, https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-55800...pid1951687 , Maduro has no valid option to flee, anywhere. So, I am surprised by this rumor.

I might see, maybe, the Russians or Turks (very reluctantly) giving asylum to Maduro, but, in my opinion the Cubans cannot accept Maduro on their territory.
I was in Cuba not long ago, and saw that Maduro is loved (to an extent, but quite sincerely) by most people here, as "a brave hero who'll give his life for the cause" . So, if Cuba were to take Maduro in as a defeated coward, it'd be catastrophic for the global impetus and self-esteem of Cuban people.

So I think that for Maduro, there is no other exit from Venezuela than (victory or) death. Being death by Hellfire, or back-stabbing assassination by his caretakers, disguised as death while fighting (like for Allende). Or alternatively, Defense Minister Padrino could listen to his own family (which has just posted an emotional video urging him to turn against Maduro), and maybe detain Maduro, eventually sending him to The Hague or some? That would make Padrino a major global actor and maybe allow him to lead a transitory government alongside Guaido (or Leopoldo)?

Imagine unironically supporting (((CIA))) backed rebels against a Russian ally in 2019.

(05-01-2019 03:58 PM)Going strong Wrote:  Rumor has it that Maduro, yesterday, was about to climb aboard a plane (a Bombardier GE), heading in panic to Havana. And supposedly, the Russians ordered him off the plane.

This is probably just U.S. misinformation to try to demoralize the government. At this point I imagine Pompeo and Bolton are becoming frustrated that Guaido is a total failure, and are becoming more desperate, so they make these kinds of claims.

Tucker Carlson has come out against US involvement in Venezuela.

Yes, Russia is now getting all the blame, what a surprise. The coup would have been quick and easy if only Russia didn't stop him from getting on that plane. How dare Russia interfere in our backyard, our hemisphere?!?!?!?!?? The audacity. It's like there is no self awareness here, for fucks sake you can't go out of your way to piss of countries such as Russia and then act incredulous when they don't just roll over and play ball. Oh right I forgot, Ukraine was just a happy accident, a totally normal and organic coup or whatever.

Anyway. Not liking what I'm hearing from conservatives. It's like there exists no psychological barrier between the decision to deploy troops. Just way too eager to overthrow Maduro and send troops in if necessary. It shouldn't be an option on the table whatsoever. That's madness. Not one death would be worth "liberating" the fucking Venezuelans. I don't give a shit about them or that country. We've had communist Venezuela in existence for how long now? And all of the sudden it's just intolerable having them there. Something must be done. Right. Now.

More like, something is being done to make politicians all worked up over this. Yes, we must give them Freedom Loving Democracy. And we will start by telling them who their leader is for them. How democratic.

Why? Why can't we just mind our own fucking business and work on our own damn country for once? We have a mountain of problems but regime change and throwing troops away is much more critical? Stop talking in Spanish. Stop saying we're with the Venezuelan people. Shut up about "Worldwide Citizen" bullshit. Start showing some damn loyalty to your own country and realize the average American couldn't care less about this. I can't believe I just voted for Rick Scott to the senate and he's already advocating to send troops to die in some irrelevant completely unnecessary situation.

I'm so done with politics. Conservatives have no ideas besides going to war or antagonizing with every meanie poopy head on the planet. Liberals don't even believe in the nation state as a concept and still do regime change anyway. It's all so tiring. I feel nothing but disgust anytime a politician from my country speaks. With the exception of Rand Paul.

(05-01-2019 04:19 PM)Once Was Not Wrote:  Yes, Russia is now getting all the blame, what a surprise. The coup would have been quick and easy if only Russia didn't stop him from getting on that plane. How dare Russia interfere in our backyard, our hemisphere?!?!?!?!?? The audacity. It's like there is no self awareness here, for fucks sake you can't go out of your way to piss of countries such as Russia and then act incredulous when they don't just roll over and play ball. Oh right I forgot, Ukraine was just a happy accident, a totally normal and organic coup or whatever.

Yeah and apparently "Hezbollah" is there in Venezuela too (?). Now they're talking about Iran as well. Isn't it great how everything circles back around to Iran?

This is the kind of shit my politicians will pull out of their ass to drag us into another disastrous mess of a military invasion.

Russia has secretly installed nuke missiles in Venezuela, US politician claims in chilling echo of Cuban Missile Crisis

Quote:RUSSIA has secretly installed nuclear missiles in Venezuela a US politician has sensationally claimed in a chilling echo of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Republican congressman Mario Diaz-Balart said he believes Vladimir Putin's hidden nukes are now a direct threat to the "national security" of the United States.

He made his astonishing allegations hours after Venezuela was pushed to the brink of civil war when opposition leader Juan Guaido called for rival Nicolas Maduro to be ousted from office.

Diaz-Balart told Fox News if Maduro stays in power it could be "an open door for the Russians and for the Chinese and for others to increase their activity against our national security interest."

Journalist Tucker Carlson then asked: "Are you suggesting they are going to invade?”

“The closest we ever came to nuclear war was because the Russians put missiles, right, nuclear missiles in Cuba,” replied Diaz-Balart.

“Are you saying the Russians will put nuclear missiles in Venezuela?” Carlson asked.

“What I am suggesting is that they are already there,” answered Diaz-Balart, without offering any evidence to back up his claim.

In any case, Soros and the Globalist Establishment have already (more or less) written Maduro off, and are actively preparing their next Reformed-Chavista candidate, for the Venezuelan presidential elections (to be held once Maduro is dead or in The Hague).

It's a full-Establishment Soros-approved wunderkid, named Temir Porras (I know a female cousin of this dude, amusingly) and residing in the comfort of a wealthy neighborhood here in Paris.

So we might have an election at the end of the year, pitting Leopoldo Lopez (or J. Guaido) against Temir Porras. In both cases, Cuba (and Russia) would get nothing of value from either candidate, by the way.

Seems like the incompetent affirmative action cucks in the CIA failed as predicted.

You can't keep hiring people based on political ideology over skills for decades and maintain competence. This is the second failed coup they attempt.

Trump looks like a buffoon, dare I say, again, while his boomer base is sitting at home frothing and narcissistically lashing out at him for making them feel weak by proxy.

The way America is seemingly failing in everything they do, I really do wonder if they could even win a war against Iran if they tried. I don't think so. Paper tiger exposed.

(05-01-2019 05:36 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Seems like the incompetent affirmative action cucks in the CIA failed as predicted.

You can't keep hiring people based on political ideology over skills for decades and maintain competence. This is the second failed coup they attempt.

Trump looks like a buffoon, dare I say, again, while his boomer base is sitting at home frothing and narcissistically lashing out at him for making them feel weak by proxy.

The way America is seemingly failing in everything they do, I really do wonder if they could even win a war against Iran if they tried. I don't think so. Paper tiger exposed.

I keep thinking Iran would be the USA's "Stalingrad". We get bogged down there and everything collapses.

Iran doesn't have to beat the USA, they just have to drag it out. The US public is a mix of war weary and simply don't care. A draft would likely be needed and it would be VERY unpopular. Add in the economic upheaval and starting a conventional war in Iran is a disastrous idea.

Iran is over twice the size of Iraq with a far more advanced military. And that doesn't even bring up what would happen if Russia or China gave them any direct support against the USA. Would the USA be willing to have 20,000 military deaths, hundreds of thousands of military injured, for a war half way across the world?

I'm starting to think that foreign intervention is a coping mechanism for a chunk of America that are so obese they have erectile dysfunction.

"We're gonna fuck them socialists so hard!"

Sure, buddy. Send enough troops and you might just feel that forgotten tingle in your nut sack for the first time in decades.

What's just as amusing is imagining how the Democrats are squaring this mess. Socialism good. Russia bad. Does not compute.

(05-02-2019 12:48 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I'm starting to think that foreign intervention is a coping mechanism for a chunk of America that are so obese they have erectile dysfunction.

"We're gonna fuck them socialists so hard!"

Sure, buddy. Send enough troops and you might just feel that forgotten tingle in your nut sack for the first time in decades.

What's just as amusing is imagining how the Democrats are squaring this mess. Socialism good. Russia bad. Does not compute.

80% of the obesity crisis in America can be solved by cutting out sugary drinks/food and refined carbs.

Replaced with more vegetables,meats and dairy including butter.

Cheering for intervention seems to be easier than eating right.

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(05-02-2019 12:48 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  What's just as amusing is imagining how the Democrats are squaring this mess. Socialism good. Russia bad. Does not compute.

They square it all right: Socialism good. Russia not socialist anymore; OK, maybe Russia a bit socialist, but Russians White, so Russia bad, insist, bad. Does compute. Whiteness (very bad) overcomes Remnants-of-socialism (moderately good).

The hatred that MSM, the Clintons, Obamas and the "Democrats" in general, display and feel for Russia, is not political, it's ethnic and religious. For them, Russia is the last big kingdom of bad (totally) White (mostly) Christians. So the hatred of the US Leftists against Russia is understandable. They might like the bit of socialism left in Russia, but they hate the Whiteness of Russia.

Anyway, I see your



and raise it:


^Venezuelan woman killed a few hours ago by Maduro's soldiers or irregulars, and chosen by J. Guaido as symbol

The name, though, Jurubith...

Why do so many Venezuelans have such retarded names?

(05-02-2019 03:57 AM)scotian Wrote:  Why do so many Venezuelans have such retarded names?

It's, as you know, a social marker throughout South America. The more someone is low-class, villero, barrio-dweller, the more he or she will have some ridiculous made-up name.

It's actually something that will impact them throughout their life, as few LatAm employers would hire someone with a ridiculous, never-seen-before name.

Still, the fate of Jurubith, this poor Venezuelan girl shot dead, is sad, whatever her name was. She probably fought (within her modest capacities) for glory or hope, or just out of despair, and received a bullet through the head for it.

Or Guido's troops raped her and put a bullet in the back of her head themselves, then hoisted her corpse up as today's martyr.

We really have not the slightest clue or any shred of evidence what happened to her, or if she even existed.

Besides, what kind of faggots put women in the line of fire?

(05-02-2019 04:09 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 03:57 AM)scotian Wrote:  Why do so many Venezuelans have such retarded names?

It's, as you know, a social marker throughout South America. The more someone is low-class, villero, barrio-dweller, the more he or she will have some ridiculous made-up name.

It's actually something that will impact them throughout their life, as few LatAm employers would hire someone with a ridiculous, never-seen-before name.

Still, the fate of Jurubith, this poor Venezuelan girl shot dead, is sad, whatever her name was. She probably fought (within her modest capacities) for glory or hope, or just out of despair, and received a bullet through the head for it.

Similar to Colombia where a common ghetto name is Usnavy, apparently the poor mothers are so impressed by US naval ships that they name their kids after them.

I once knew a thai girl nicknamed Benz after the car.

(05-01-2019 05:45 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I keep thinking Iran would be the USA's "Stalingrad". We get bogged down there and everything collapses.

USA already had it's metaphorical Stalingrad, it was Syria. Not in terms of number of casualties of course, but it was a turning point. I believe that the USA will not get a significant victory from this point on.

(05-02-2019 05:51 AM)FilipSRB Wrote:  

(05-01-2019 05:45 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I keep thinking Iran would be the USA's "Stalingrad". We get bogged down there and everything collapses.

USA already had it's metaphorical Stalingrad, it was Syria. Not in terms of number of casualties of course, but it was a turning point. I believe that the USA will not get a significant victory from this point on.

This could already be true, as you pointed out. But by the actions in Venezuela, and the rhetoric from DC about Iran and Syria, I don't think the elites have given up on any of these regions yet.

Sadly, I still think they will push for war and get their war. But you are probably correct, they will not win these wars and it all began with Syria and how very unpopular it was among the US citizens.

(05-02-2019 05:51 AM)FilipSRB Wrote:  

(05-01-2019 05:45 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I keep thinking Iran would be the USA's "Stalingrad". We get bogged down there and everything collapses.

USA already had it's metaphorical Stalingrad, it was Syria. Not in terms of number of casualties of course, but it was a turning point. I believe that the USA will not get a significant victory from this point on.

I'm beginning to see the relationship between the Dems and the Media as inverted. Not clear how much it is the Dems giving instructions to the media or if it isn't the other way round.

In the view of the ruling class NATO-wide Syria was Trump stabbing the media elite and Obama/ Hilary/ Cameron/ CIA/ MI6 in the back..

It was a victory denied by treachery. Their biggest defeat since Vietnam .. but only in terms of resources, not bodies.

Of course it was a victory for common sense but they don't see it that way.

No matter the cost CNN and their democrat lackeys are determined to have their Middle Eastern war.

(05-02-2019 04:20 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Or Guaido's troops raped her and put a bullet in the back of her head themselves, then hoisted her corpse up as today's martyr.

We really have not the slightest clue or any shred of evidence what happened to her, or if she even existed.

Besides, what kind of faggots put women in the line of fire?

Everything is technically possible, yes. She might have been killed by a number of people, on both and any side, or just by a random bullet flying by, who knows?

I doubt though that she would be an invented persona. An invented person would be named Maria Garcia Fernandez, not some incredible combinations of unique names. Plus, her digital print is clearly visible on the document.

Also, we don't know that she was put in the line of fire. She might or might not have been "fighting", and if so, in the front or middle or rear row, who knows?
.......

Anyway, generally speaking now and not alluding to anyone in particular: I have the feeling that I am one of the few forum members posting on this thread who is not paid by some State actor to do so. I must be doing something real wrong . I'll probably end my life with no datcha in Sochi and not even a condo in Antalya: sad. But, brothers, I do hope that some of you will invite me for a drink , next time I holiday in Simcity or Krasnodar. Or on the Margarita Isla, former pussy paradise, once peace is restored.

(05-02-2019 03:51 AM)Going strong Wrote:  
^Venezuelan woman killed a few hours ago by Maduro's soldiers or irregulars, and chosen by J. Guaido as symbol

The name, though, Jurubith...

Going Strong, have you perhaps heard of this legendary man?