(06-24-2017 05:03 PM)kosko Wrote: Ivana's family raised the boys. Trump didn't event talk to Don Jr much until he was around 18-19 years old. I'm just putting this out there for clarity. Ivanka is the splitting image of her father as he had constable influence on her upbringing versus the boys.
Could you expand on this; It's hard for me to believe that Don Jr revers his dad so highly and his father "barely spoke to him" for the first 20 years of his life.
He's in his late 30s now I believe and seems to be a very well balanced human being and family oriented.
Trump did not have a good relationship with his boys. It was off and on with Don Jr and non existent with Eric until they became older. This isn't hard to understand. Momma ran the show post divorce and to be frank, Donald took Ivana for a ride by cheating on her and being the pimp he is. It isn't rocket science to think the boys viewed their father as piece of shit for Donald dogging their mother like that.
Another clue, Don Jr's outdoor love came from camping and hiking trips in Europe. Donald is my my dude but his idea of outdoors was playing golf. He isn't a hunter or any of that so where did the boys learn all that? Ivanka meanwhile was right at home with the the bulk of Donald's attention. All the kids split time between parents but Ivanka spent as nch time with her father as she could - she is "Donald Jr." Ivanka is the classic case of bullet proof confidence that comes from a strong father figure in a daughters upbringing. She was a daddy's girl through and through and Donald rewarded her with his undvided attention when possible. She even has the Trump mannerisms down. Ivanka gets lots of hate for her views and how she acts but I like to study her actions as I hope if I have a daughter one day you can raise it up to be like Ivanka.
(06-24-2017 05:09 PM)Mage Wrote:
(06-24-2017 05:03 PM)kosko Wrote: Ivana's family raised the boys. Trump didn't event talk to Don Jr much until he was around 18-19 years old. I'm just putting this out there for clarity. Ivanka is the splitting image of her father as he had constable influence on her upbringing versus the boys.
I myself would prefer a high achieving father who talks to me rarely over a "close" father who is doing the dishes.
If the father is a high achiever with high morale like Trump does, that sets an example for the boys automatically no need to spend too much time together. And the time spent together should be when the child is a young man not a boy - that's when the most crucial lessons need to be thought.
Fathers need to be present but the idea that they should be as present as much as women is feminist bullshit.
Father is more like something to strive for and maybe whom to surpass to. He may even be dead but you will take pride all life if he was a great man.
Greatness is more important than family for men and even children know that.
This can be true. But... It is a different things when the father is a omnius figure in the shadows looming, but still around. That example wass how my father was as he was around but not that much. He was like a cloud that hung over and his influence was indirect that way.
My take it is different if the father didn't have a clear stake in the upbringing. He does not have to be there every moment but his presence just be established. It just be his domain and house that you are a part of and the tone of his raising and rule must be there. This is a different aspect of a part time father who gets 2 weeks a month with his kid when the kid is part of the feminine mothers domain the majority of the time.
Don Jr wasn't raised By Donald, and they had a stint of not having any sort of relationship for many years. Donald and Don Jr only started taking again when Don Jr was almost done school and was getting to deep with drugs and other crap and getting fat. Likely both wised up and realized that their relationship was a missing link to many problems in there lives and patched things up. Prior to that with the zero relationship they had, I dont think Don Jr cared who his father was. In that siituation it does not matter whom or what your father is if he is on the tash pile in your mind.
I certainly don't want this to turn into some sort of gruesome prediction, but Ivanka seems to be becoming the American Princess Diana.
There are differences for obvious reasons, but she seems to have become that almost ephemeral creature that effortlessly gathers celebrity and brings radiance wherever she goes.
I would go as far to say that if the American media were not so relentlessly anti-Trump then this post would be a recognition rather than a premonition.
I'm not personally as awestruck by her, but among the proles I can imagine her garnering that same kind of wide-scale adoration that the Princess of Wales held. Frankly if anything bad happens to the Diamond Don then perhaps it will be Ivanka that crusades apolitically and gathers enormous support as the people's princess of America.
Quote:WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court enters its final week of work before a long summer hiatus with action expected on the Trump administration's travel ban and a decision due in a separation of church and state case that arises from a Missouri church playground.
The biggest news of all, though, would be if Justice Anthony Kennedy were to use the court's last public session on Monday to announce his retirement.
(06-24-2017 10:17 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote: I certainly don't want this to turn into some sort of gruesome prediction, but Ivanka seems to be becoming the American Princess Diana.
There are differences for obvious reasons, but she seems to have become that almost ephemeral creature that effortlessly gathers celebrity and brings radiance wherever she goes.
I would go as far to say that if the American media were not so relentlessly anti-Trump then this post would be a recognition rather than a premonition.
I'm not personally as awestruck by her, but among the proles I can imagine her garnering that same kind of wide-scale adoration that the Princess of Wales held. Frankly if anything bad happens to the Diamond Don then perhaps it will be Ivanka that crusades apolitically and gathers enormous support as the people's princess of America.
She is the "model American woman" but still, half the country hates her. Bitches hate on her because she is winning at life, other bitches and soy males hate on her due to her politics and such. Sure every dude would bang Ivanka, every girl would secretly want to be her but she does not have that level of admiration. I was young for Diana's years but I remember the clutch grab she had on the masses.
Also, Ivanka has not gone astray and defy her family and what not. When Ivanka moves to Miami and starts banging Football players then we can talk. That would be the level of degree change that would be needed like when Diana fucked up and told the Royals to get fuck off and went to go get in nice with rich folks in Cannes and get cozy with a rich brown guy.
The only American woman who has the clutch on America like Diana did in the UK and the former colonies would be Kim Kardashian. Thin about what American woman who tragically lost her life would be wall-to-wall non-stop on the news. Kim K is on that level when she got robbed it was breaking news on CNN and shit.
(06-24-2017 11:23 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote: I don't know what it is about Ivanka, but 'ear me now.
My wife is a typical latina when it comes to being catty about other women, particularly pretty ones.
She knows very little about politics but back when Trump was running I was talking about the campaign and she says to me:
"Have you seen his daughter?"
"Yeah", I say, "what's her name, Ivanka or something...?"
She sighs with appreciation. "She is just so beautiful."
And I'm sitting there thinking...
The princess fantasy runs deep in some chicks. If not all.
(06-24-2017 10:17 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote: I certainly don't want this to turn into some sort of gruesome prediction, but Ivanka seems to be becoming the American Princess Diana.
As we've seen, people attack her as a vicarious way of attacking Trump.
There are a lot of crazies out there.
There are a lot of people who want to lean in on and control DJT, so making her feel legitimately threatened could be a way of pressuring him.
Trump did not have a good relationship with his boys. It was off and on with Don Jr and non existent with Eric until they became older. This isn't hard to understand. Momma ran the show post divorce and to be frank, Donald took Ivana for a ride by cheating on her and being the pimp he is. It isn't rocket science to think the boys viewed their father as piece of shit for Donald dogging their mother like that.
Another clue, Don Jr's outdoor love came from camping and hiking trips in Europe. Donald is my my dude but his idea of outdoors was playing golf. He isn't a hunter or any of that so where did the boys learn all that? Ivanka meanwhile was right at home with the the bulk of Donald's attention. All the kids split time between parents but Ivanka spent as nch time with her father as she could - she is "Donald Jr." Ivanka is the classic case of bullet proof confidence that comes from a strong father figure in a daughters upbringing. She was a daddy's girl through and through and Donald rewarded her with his undvided attention when possible. She even has the Trump mannerisms down. Ivanka gets lots of hate for her views and how she acts but I like to study her actions as I hope if I have a daughter one day you can raise it up to be like Ivanka.
(06-24-2017 05:09 PM)Mage Wrote:
(06-24-2017 05:03 PM)kosko Wrote: Ivana's family raised the boys. Trump didn't event talk to Don Jr much until he was around 18-19 years old. I'm just putting this out there for clarity. Ivanka is the splitting image of her father as he had constable influence on her upbringing versus the boys.
I myself would prefer a high achieving father who talks to me rarely over a "close" father who is doing the dishes.
If the father is a high achiever with high morale like Trump does, that sets an example for the boys automatically no need to spend too much time together. And the time spent together should be when the child is a young man not a boy - that's when the most crucial lessons need to be thought.
Fathers need to be present but the idea that they should be as present as much as women is feminist bullshit.
Father is more like something to strive for and maybe whom to surpass to. He may even be dead but you will take pride all life if he was a great man.
Greatness is more important than family for men and even children know that.
This can be true. But... It is a different things when the father is a omnius figure in the shadows looming, but still around. That example wass how my father was as he was around but not that much. He was like a cloud that hung over and his influence was indirect that way.
My take it is different if the father didn't have a clear stake in the upbringing. He does not have to be there every moment but his presence just be established. It just be his domain and house that you are a part of and the tone of his raising and rule must be there. This is a different aspect of a part time father who gets 2 weeks a month with his kid when the kid is part of the feminine mothers domain the majority of the time.
Don Jr wasn't raised By Donald, and they had a stint of not having any sort of relationship for many years. Donald and Don Jr only started taking again when Don Jr was almost done school and was getting to deep with drugs and other crap and getting fat. Likely both wised up and realized that their relationship was a missing link to many problems in there lives and patched things up. Prior to that with the zero relationship they had, I dont think Don Jr cared who his father was. In that siituation it does not matter whom or what your father is if he is on the tash pile in your mind.
These are some big claims Kosko, I doubt I'm the only one who would like to see some proofs for these claims. Seems odd to me that Ivanka is around her father but not the sons. The sons had no relationship with Donald and yet they are inheriting the Trump corporation and run it? That story doesn't add up...
Offense is the best defense. Time to appoint a special "Clinton" prosecutor to take a deep dive into Clinton Foundation, emails, etc. Bring in every high level Clinton associate to testify.
Quote:President Trump will stick with the same list of potential nominees for the next Supreme Court vacancy, he told The Washington Times in an exclusive interview
Mr. Trump shook the election campaign last year when he announced a list of 21 potential Supreme Court nominees, selected with the help of the Federalist Society and The Heritage Foundation. The list was an instant hit with conservatives and helped cement the candidate’s support among the Republican base.
“It’s a great list. From the moment I put that list out, it solved that problem. And I was proud to say it was my idea,” he said.
Mr. Trump said he has heard rumors that one of the justices will retire when the current court session ends in June but that he doesn’t have any inside knowledge.
“I don’t know. I have a lot of respect for Justice Kennedy, but I just don’t know,” Mr. Trump said, referring to the senior member of the bench, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy. “I don’t like talking about it. I’ve heard the same rumors that a lot of people have heard. And I have a lot of respect for that gentleman, a lot.”
Mr. Trump said conservative voters should be assured that his next choice will be “really talented and of our views.” Asked specifically whether he would pick from the list of candidates he put forward in the campaign, Mr. Trump was unequivocal: “Yes,” he said, adding, “That list was a big thing.”
Democrats rallied near-unanimous opposition and mounted a filibuster in the fight over Justice Gorsuch, forcing Senate Republican leaders to trigger the “nuclear option” and take a shortcut to change the rules.
(06-25-2017 11:44 AM)Phoenix Wrote: I'm sure this has been posted already, but I watched it recently and it's so good.
Proof that ten cent whore Megyn Kelly is a Russian agent. How else can you explain teeing them up so perfectly time and time again for President Putin to so deftly knock out of the park over and over again?
Not to mention, brainless flatbacking robot that she is, she can barely contain her throbbing tumescence at the thought of Putin's strong pimp hand smacking her down repeatedly as if she's a trick in a back alley. Think she called him Daddy at one point in that clip but unfortunately didn't come through in the Russian translation.
(06-25-2017 11:44 AM)Phoenix Wrote: I'm sure this has been posted already, but I watched it recently and it's so good.
Proof that ten cent whore Megyn Kelly is a Russian agent. How else can you explain teeing them up so perfectly time and time again for President Putin to so deftly knock out of the park over and over again?
Not to mention, brainless flatbacking robot that she is, she can barely contain her throbbing tumescence at the thought of Putin's strong pimp hand smacking her down repeatedly as if she's a trick in a back alley. Think she called him Daddy at one point in that clip but unfortunately didn't come through in the Russian translation.
It won't be of course but this video should be a real wake up call for the US mainstream media.
Here you have one of the most recognisable of the US media scene being absolutely humiliated onstage by a proper world statesman and someone who, like him or hate him, has a clear understanding of geopolitics and Russia's state interests.
I often watch the clips that get posted here and it's clear that the standard of US political reporting is low. Most shows with the exception maybe of tucker Carlson and the other guy who got fired from fox are talking heads shouting at each other, people trying to get in memorable one liners etc etc.
If you live in that kind of environment, especially Kelly, when you come up againsta seasoned veteran statesman like this, you will be exposed for your complete lack of understanding of the issues of the day and historical context. Note how Putin mocks her for basing a question on feels, note how he's happy to call her out on her bullshit about Syria and muh Russian hacking bs.
(06-25-2017 10:52 AM)Fisto Wrote: Come on Sam, Kosko said "this isn't hard to understand" real condescendingly-like so it must be true and no proof is needed.
No ive read the same thing as Kosko -- his dad cheated on his mom, divorced her and then likely had minimal contact because he was pissed at his dad. Here is a quick thing that came up on google if you search "don jr didn't speak to dad" or whatever:
Quote:5. He didn’t speak to his father for a year after his split from Ivana.
Donald Jr., who was 12 when his father left second wife Ivana for third wife Marla Maples, didn’t speak to his father for a year following the highly publicized split. He blamed the divorce on his father. “And that’s, perhaps, not actually what it was,” Donald Jr. told New York magazine in 2004. “But when you’re living with your mother, it’s easy to be manipulated. You get a one-sided perspective.”
(people magazine)
Also I remember seeing in those Forum posts that Ashley Feinberg found with Gawker. Don Jr was posting on a gun forum and was like "hunting is my main escape now that I don't drink," I remembered that just because I'm also on the wagon and I was like "wow a fellow homie." So Kosko is likely right how Don must have been big on the booze when he was a college student, guy was definitely out of shape.
(06-25-2017 10:52 AM)Fisto Wrote: Come on Sam, Kosko said "this isn't hard to understand" real condescendingly-like so it must be true and no proof is needed.
Go Google yourself. There is a Time and USA Today articles that are not hard to find. Don Jr's Wiki alludes tons period of no contact as well but the Wiki is inaccurate in the duration.
I will provide links when I have time.
Bottom line is. Don Jr was "raised" by his Chezch Grandparents that is who taught him to hunt. Eric was raised by Don Jr.
Ivanka maintained a more direct link with father as she would spend summers in NYC. There are many more candid photos of Ivanka and Donald around and you can't find any of Donald and the boys after they hit puberty.
I was a Trump guy before his politics as I studied his business moves and in many old NYC films where they would interview Donald you could get a mention of Ivanka or causally see her in the background in his office.
I don't hold it against the guy but alot of this apple pie family stuff he projects is manufactured. His family life has always been quirky and unconventional. I give Trump a pass as he did try to make the best out of his situation with his kids. His boys didn't want to talk - fine. His daughter was open so he went all in on her the best he could.