I been reading up more on Jeff Sessions since he's a guy that's in Trump's inner circle and someone who Trump seems to take heed in a lot when it comes to making policy decisions, especially on foreign affairs. Session and his staff (particularly Stephen Miller) have been instrumental in crafting Trump's nativist, nationalist policies. If we are now starting the hear the term "nationalist" and "globalist" pop up more in mainstream media a good part of the credit needs to be given to Sessions and Miller.
Quote:At 69, Sessions sees the nation-state as the heart of his political mission. Day to day, he leads Trump’s foreign affairs advisory group, courts GOP officials for the Trump campaign and serves as a liaison with organizations such as the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society. But, on a deeper level, the Republican senator is thinking about a nationalist revolution.
(07-16-2016 03:25 PM)greekgod Wrote: Did anyone notice that Trump's body language and everything wasn't great? There was a reluctance there.
Pence seems happy as a clam but Trump seems wishy washy towards Pence. Thoughts?
Trump listened to his advisors and went against his gut and he's still unhappy and sulking about it.
But that's OK -- if Pence shores up the party base, fundraises well, and continues to be a steady and solid presence, Trump will accept him and slowly come to like him over time.
From all the reporting, his gut instinct was to go with Christie which would have been an unmitigated disaster. Manafort and the kids prevailed, thank God.
Trump can be very childlike in a loveable way. If he doesn't get to do what he wants he can stay in a bad mood for a while. But he gets over it.
(07-16-2016 03:25 PM)greekgod Wrote: Did anyone notice that Trump's body language and everything wasn't great? There was a reluctance there.
Pence seems happy as a clam but Trump seems wishy washy towards Pence. Thoughts?
I think he picked him reluctantly only because Manafort told him to.
Not to revive the discussion about whether Pence was the right choice in terms of policy or this or that. I don't think it was a good choice simply because Trump doesn't like him. You need at least some good chemistry to stay in a good mood when you're campaigning together. I don't see this happening with the two. Additionally, I don't like him. Not only for the things he said about TPP and Trump's policy proposals. Rather because I didn't know much about him when I watched his Hannity interview but just seeing and hearing him invoked a feeling of uneasiness and even outright aversion in me. I was surprised to see him praised by many on and outside the forum. Something about him makes him seem untrustworthy and "false" to me. Like an uncle that could rape his niece and then go talk about importance of family at the dinner table. I'm usually against using emotions as rationale but I like to think of myself as being good at "reading people" and these kinds of reactions in me have usually proven to have been justified after a while. I wouldn't have liked Newt either but still a little more than him. Christie is corrupt but I actually like the guy - partly because he's very predictable and somewhat direct. - Seems like my impressions about who is likeable and who is not align with Trump, at least in these cases.
Newt and Christie would have been a bad pick in terms of public perception though, so I was hoping the rumors about the three being options were just distraction to get the media talking and the people on the edge to then pick someone entirely different who's actually a good man but no one expected. I guess you can't find such a guy in important positions of American politics, so Trump probably bit the bullet and chose Pence. We'll see if it was the right choice.
Yeah, I don't like the Manafort character either and the admiration for him is completely undeserved, there's been flip flopping and excuse making and deleted tweets for the first time. Manafort is the typical front runner.
Where do you guys get your info regarding all this insider chatter surrounding Manafort and his team, seriously? Sounds like bullshit to me unless you can post a link.
But I think the contrast with Trump is really going to be great for persuasion the more I look at it.
Sure he's been a cuck but he's visibly a good man, not a scheming Machiavellian globalist like the Bushes and McCain or a stiff in a suit like Mittens.
Hillary's already getting nasty on him, and I think it is going to backfire because of her own slimy image as a contrast. Here's the wicked witch attacking a good man.
Mike Pence is kind of a living embodiment of law 22 - use the surrender tactic to transform weakness into power.
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I recognize Pepe the Frog, but what meme does the White dude (Pence's avatar) represent?
Like Brendan said above, it's the "feels guy" who's evolved, in my opinion, to represent a more "normie" person relative to Pepe representing your typical 4chan resident.
And it works out since they already had Trump aligned with Pepe and Pence is your typical con(cuck?)servative politician.
Quote:Politicians, they’re just like Us! Newly named vice presidential hopeful Mike Pence tweeted about eating dinner at a New York Chilis with his family on Saturday, July 16, and Twitter users instantly reacted to the image.
“Busy weekend in NY!” he captioned the photo, in which he and his daughter sit on one side of the booth while his wife, Karen, smiles from the other side. “Enjoying a quick dinner with the family at @Chilis. Looking forward to getting back to Indiana.”
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It didn’t take long for memes and commentary about Pence’s restaurant choice to crop up all over the Internet. With New Yorkers up in arms over his choice of a chain restaurant over hundreds of other four- and five-star establishments.
Busy weekend in NY! Enjoying a quick dinner with the family at @Chilis. Looking forward to getting back to Indiana. pic.twitter.com/SUFjYcvQpH
— Mike Pence (@mike_pence) July 16, 2016
.@mike_pence this is an insult to the people of New York.
— Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) July 16, 2016
@mike_pence you came to New York City and went to @Chilis???? Shameful.
— Dion Rabouin (@DionRabouin) July 16, 2016
.@mike_pence @Chilis pic.twitter.com/iSZocm4rG9
— Marlow Stern (@MarlowNYC) July 16, 2016
Hey @mike_pence, you know we have 18,000 restaurants in NYC, right?
— John Avlon (@JohnAvlon) July 16, 2016
@mike_pence @Chilis @mike_pence @Chilis But the best taco bowls are made in Trump Tower Grill. I love Hispanics!
— Dan Ozzi (@danozzi) July 16, 2016
Such a shame there are no good restaurants in New York and you were forced to eat at Chilis. https://t.co/g97ZYQ8IQD @mike_pence
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) July 16, 2016
Bruh you're eating dinner at 4 @mike_pence @Chilis
This is a GRAVE f'ing error by elitist SCUM, and a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY for the Trump campaign.
These people are ***MOCKING a normal American family because they went to a meal in Chili's instead of going to some -- I don't know -- artisanal Thai pizza fusion parlor in Bushwick?*** -- really, can they be this dumb?
Yes -- they're that dumb. And the Trump campaign should be all over this, retweeting Pence's tweet and pic and the disgusting reactions to it, and spreading it everywhere on social media.
This is a goldmine -- PLEASE tweet this at Trump, Scavino, Bill Mitchell and other Trumpers online and make them understand this.
They are literally mocking and snarking about a family from Indiana having a normal meal in the city.
Charles Johnson in those comments is a cuck. He runs a formerly conservative blog that used to be big. He eventually completely reversed his opinions 180* and lost most of his loyal readers and commenters. I assume he married or dated a liberal. It was a decent blog before he went on his creationism rant and completely changed his views.
Food hipsters are horrible people. Eating food you think is trendy to virtue signal is the dumbest and most vapid shit ever. NYC and the west coast is full of morons like this. A lot of these guys glom onto food trends for exactly this reason.
I cook and love all different types of food and really there should only be two classifications when it comes to food. Whether you personally think it's good or not. That's it.
(07-16-2016 07:44 PM)Samseau Wrote: LOZ, the liberals seriously think they are superior because of where they eat. One of the most pathetic things anyone can imagine.
Chilis margaritas are stellar. Drunk hos at the bar make it a win win!
A large group of patriotic motorcycle enthusiasts will be among the visitors to Cleveland Ohio next week for the Republican National Committee meeting that will nominate business mogul Donald Trump to be the Republican nominee for President of the United States.
Bikers for Trump aren’t going to Cleveland looking to cause trouble but will be on hand to counter thousands of professional leftwing agitators planning to disrupt the Republican nominating convention.
“We will be there to make sure that the delegates are allowed to exercise their right to peacefully assemble,” Bikers for Trump organizer Chris Cox told Breitbart News in an exclusive interview. “We’ve seen how these paid agitators have thrown eggs and gotten violent at other Trump events around the country and we’re not going to put up with it.”
Cox emphasized that Bikers for Trump weren’t looking for trouble at the convention. “Veterans are the backbone of the biker community,” Cox continued. “We are patriots and unlike Black Lives Matter and the other leftist idiots, we love our cops. You won’t find one biker in Cleveland jumping on cars, lighting fires, or doing any of the other stupid things we’ve gotten used to seeing on TV the last few months.”
“Big” Jim Williams of Riders USA held a “Bikers for Trump” sign up at a rally in Arizona on July 10th, 2015 and the photo went viral. “I went to that first Trump rally with my Bikers for Trump sign and the next day the picture was all over the internet,” Big Jim told Breitbart News. “Donald Trump will say the things that need to be said and do the things that most politicians are too afraid to do.”
Big Jim will be making the long ride from Phoenix to Cleveland to be in Cleveland during the convention and he sent a letter to his fellow bikers telling them why they should join him. In a copy of the letter provided to Breitbart News he says:
The fact of the matter is we have become a nation of slaves… Now more than ever we need to come together as a nation and stand against tyranny and corruption. We need to stand against paid thugs and show them that things are done differently in America. If we don’t stand now, in Cleveland we are giving it to the third world thugs and will never get it back. We will soon be like every other cess pool of socialism or communism that these people are coming from and the things that we are so addicted to, that kept us from standing up will be gone and we will be powerless, living life the way we are told to live it. Our lives will be worthless and meaningless.
None of the bikers Breitbart News spoke with wanted to say how many would attend. “The city of Cleveland gave us a hard time with our permits and so we haven’t really counted how many people are coming,” Cox said. “It’s probably better because I want to work with all the other people who are drawn to be there. I’ll be meeting with the secret service and the state and local police to let them know what we’re all about.”
The bikers have also had significant success spreading the word on social media. The Facebook, “Bikers for Trump 2016” has more than 70,000 likes and has had months in which their reach counted in the millions. This video posted in April has nearly 250,000 views:
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In route to Trump Rally in Albany.??????
Big Jim of Riders USA laid out what’s at stake in his letter:
We will fight, or we will comply. Everybody talks a good game. Everybody gets piss ed of and pounds their chest. But very few people ever show up to fight. Like I said, the opposition wants it more than we do. Otherwise we would show up. Nothing could stop us. I am only one man. I can’t do much by myself, and I can’t afford to go. But I will be there.If we succeed in Cleveland, dealing with Hillary will be easy. If we lose in Cleveland you might as well get used to the smell of her ass, because you will be kissing it to survive. We have an opportunity to stand for freedom.What are we going to do.
Edit: Wouldn't it be nice if we had Russian bikers join the Bikers for Trump?
At first I wasn't too hot on the Pence pick, but I've warmed to it. He comes across as very level headed and family oriented. He's a good counter balance to Trump and I think he will handle himself well in interviews and the VP debate.
There is a new frenzy of manufactured outrage on social media over some (ill-advised) comments that Trump made today. This could be damaging to him and he needs to correct the record on this ASAP.
Here is the background. On the last night of the DNC, there was a brief speech given by a man named Khizr Khan, who spoke with his wife standing beside him:
In brief, this is a Muslim American family whose son was a US Army captain. He was killed in action in Iraq in 2004 while protecting his unit and posthumously awarded the Bronze Star and Purple Heart. His father spoke for about 7 minutes and denounced Trump's proposal for a ban on Muslim immigration to the US. Among other things, he took out a copy of the US Constitution and theatrically asked if Trump had ever read it, and he also addressed Trump and asked, "what and who have you sacrificed"? This speech was widely hailed as "electrifying" and "the most emotional moment of the convention".
On ABC's "This Week" (set to air tomorrow, but ABC released a segment today to get the feeding frenzy going and cause maximum damage to Trump), Trump was asked to address Khan's remarks. This was a trap set for him to bait him into saying something inadvisable, and they got what they wanted. First, Trump wondered why the wife said nothing -- perhaps she wasn't allowed to, being a Muslim (but they have an interview given jointly by the couple in which the wife does speak and then breaks into sobs). Worse, when asked the question "what sacrifices have you made", he very Trumpishly spoke of how he made "a lot of sacrifices", such as working very hard and creating jobs for thousands of people.
Unsurprisingly, #TrumpSacrifices is now trending on Twitter. SJW scum who could not possibly give a shit about this man who was killed, or anyone else, are pretending to be shocked by Trump's "callousness" and "narcissism", and mocking him for daring to speak as if he's made "sacrifices" in any way comparable to parents losing a child in a war. They note that he never even bothered to thank the Khans for their son's service or honor their sacrifice, etc.
The whole thing is a disgusting spectacle of cant at its worst. The loss of a son at war is tragic but it -- of course -- does not give these people any particular moral or other authority. The speech itself was demagoguery in it purest form; the grief that these parents no doubt feel has nothing to do with the merits of Trump's proposal, intended to protect Americans from an ever growing wave of Islamic terrorism -- instead they simply seek to disqualify that proposal on emotional grounds.
Far worse than that is the manufactured outrage of the SJW hordes who care nothing whatsoever for any of these lives: neither the Muslim American army captain KIA in Iraq, and still less -- if possible -- for the endless innocents beheaded, trampled, shot, and mutilated in a numbingly endless procession of Islamic savagery which Trump seems to be the only one to talk about. The barbarities of Nice, Paris, Brussels, Orlando etc etc are as nothing to them -- utterly ignored and instantly forgotten; all that matters is that Trump does not have the perfect canting instincts required of him at all times, and responds like the blundering naif that he sometimes is with a defense of his own life and endeavors when he feels set upon and attacked.
Nevertheless, this is now a mess that must be dealt with. Trump's vaunting of his own "sacrifices" on an equal footing with a family that lost their war hero son will be used against him over and over. It feeds into a narrative that he is selfish, self-absorbed and callous. This can hurt him with some normal Americans who might otherwise support him.
Trump needs to address this in person. He should say something along these lines (say it in person, not just issue a statement):
I honor the great sacrifice made by the Khan family, and their son's service to our country. I have worked all my life to build a business and raise a family, and I cannot imagine what it would be like to have a child taken from me at such a young age. No sacrifice I might have made could possibly compare to this, and I apologize that my words seemed to imply otherwise.
I want to say something about Mr. Khan's speech. Their son was a patriotic Muslim American, and there are so many others who live here and love their country. I know this and I honor their patriotism and their love of country. We are lucky to have them here.
But we cannot ignore the savagery of radical Islamic terrorism. Seemingly every day there is a new attack, more barbaric than the previous one. In Nice, France, a savage Islamic terrorist rammed his truck into a crowd including many children, killing scores and scores. Not so long ago, an Islamic terrorist slaughtered young LGBT Americans in Orlando, killing almost 50. Just this week Islamic terrorists burst into a church in France and beheaded an 85 year old priest. All these savages swore allegiance to ISIS.
We cannot just ignore this problem and pretend it's not there. The first and foremost responsibility of a country is to protect its citizens. For people who want to come into this country from parts of the world that have been compromised by this savage ideology, we have to figure out a way to vet them with great thoroughness, to make sure they are not coming here to harm us. I stand by my proposal that until we figure out how to do that, we cannot take the chance of admitting people here. Just one terrorist can slaughter scores of innocent people. Someone has to stand up for them.
For all the good Muslims who live here in America, and those who are abroad, you have to help us eradicate this scourge of radical Islamic terrorism. You must fight it in your own communities, you must report people who engage in it to the proper authorities. You cannot tolerate this murderous ideology in your midst. We are going to defeat it and you can help us. I want your help.
Thats playing to their mindset and victim olympics. It was bait and Trump shouldn't take it.
If he redacts his statement he can be seen as weak and made to look foolish, second-guessing himself on touchy subjects and thats what the DNC and Hillary campaign will take advantage of. They'll start pulling out every sob story to pump up emotions.
You're right, these people don't give a fuck about the dead soldier or thousands of soldiers who are at the mercy of PTSD and a society which just doesn't care nor how to deal with them. Doesn't mean they won't use him and others to further their cause.
(07-30-2016 07:32 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote: There is a new frenzy of manufactured outrage on social media over some (ill-advised) comments that Trump made today. This could be damaging to him and he needs to correct the record on this ASAP.
Here is the background. On the last night of the DNC, there was a brief speech given by a man named Khizr Khan, who spoke with his wife standing beside him:
In brief, this is a Muslim American family whose son was a US Army captain. He was killed in action in Iraq in 2004 while protecting his unit and posthumously awarded the Bronze Star and Purple Heart. His father spoke for about 7 minutes and denounced Trump's proposal for a ban on Muslim immigration to the US. Among other things, he took out a copy of the US Constitution and theatrically asked if Trump had ever read it, and he also addressed Trump and asked, "what and who have you sacrificed"? This speech was widely hailed as "electrifying" and "the most emotional moment of the convention".
On ABC's "This Week" (set to air tomorrow, but ABC released a segment today to get the feeding frenzy going and cause maximum damage to Trump), Trump was asked to address Khan's remarks. This was a trap set for him to bait him into saying something inadvisable, and they got what they wanted. First, Trump wondered why the wife said nothing -- perhaps she wasn't allowed to, being a Muslim (but they have an interview given jointly by the couple in which the wife does speak and then breaks into sobs). Worse, when asked the question "what sacrifices have you made", he very Trumpishly spoke of how he made "a lot of sacrifices", such as working very hard and creating jobs for thousands of people.
Unsurprisingly, #TrumpSacrifices is now trending on Twitter. SJW scum who could not possibly give a shit about this man who was killed, or anyone else, are pretending to be shocked by Trump's "callousness" and "narcissism", and mocking him for daring to speak as if he's made "sacrifices" in any way comparable to parents losing a child in a war. They note that he never even bothered to thank the Khans for their son's service or honor their sacrifice, etc.
The whole thing is a disgusting spectacle of cant at its worst. The loss of a son at war is tragic but it -- of course -- does not give these people any particular moral or other authority. The speech itself was demagoguery in it purest form; the grief that these parents no doubt feel has nothing to do with the merits of Trump's proposal, intended to protect Americans from an ever growing wave of Islamic terrorism -- instead they simply seek to disqualify that proposal on emotional grounds.
Far worse than that is the manufactured outrage of the SJW hordes who care nothing whatsoever for any of these lives: neither the Muslim American army captain KIA in Iraq, and still less -- if possible -- for the endless innocents beheaded, trampled, shot, and mutilated in a numbingly endless procession of Islamic savagery which Trump seems to be the only one to talk about. The barbarities of Nice, Paris, Brussels, Orlando etc etc are as nothing to them -- utterly ignored and instantly forgotten; all that matters is that Trump does not have the perfect canting instincts required of him at all times, and responds like the blundering naif that he sometimes is with a defense of his own life and endeavors when he feels set upon and attacked.
Nevertheless, this is now a mess that must be dealt with. Trump's vaunting of his own "sacrifices" on an equal footing with a family that lost their war hero son will be used against him over and over. It feeds into a narrative that he is selfish, self-absorbed and callous. This can hurt him with some normal Americans who might otherwise support him.
Trump needs to address this in person. He should say something along these lines (say it in person, not just issue a statement):
I honor the great sacrifice made by the Khan family, and their son's service to our country. I have worked all my life to build a business and raise a family, and I cannot imagine what it would be like to have a child taken from me at such a young age. No sacrifice I might have made could possibly compare to this, and I apologize that my words seemed to imply otherwise.
I want to say something about Mr. Khan's speech. Their son was a patriotic Muslim American, and there are so many others who live here and love their country. I know this and I honor their patriotism and their love of country. We are lucky to have them here.
But we cannot ignore the savagery of radical Islamic terrorism. Seemingly every day there is a new attack, more barbaric than the previous one. In Nice, France, a savage Islamic terrorist rammed his truck into a crowd including many children, killing scores and scores. Not so long ago, an Islamic terrorist slaughtered young LGBT Americans in Orlando, killing almost 50. Just this week Islamic terrorists burst into a church in France and beheaded an 85 year old priest. All these savages swore allegiance to ISIS.
We cannot just ignore this problem and pretend it's not there. The first and foremost responsibility of a country is to protect its citizens. For people who want to come into this country from parts of the world that have been compromised by this savage ideology, we have to figure out a way to vet them with great thoroughness, to make sure they are not coming here to harm us. I stand by my proposal that until we figure out how to do that, we cannot take the chance of admitting people here. Just one terrorist can slaughter scores of innocent people. Someone has to stand up for them.
For all the good Muslims who live here in America, and those who are abroad, you have to help us eradicate this scourge of radical Islamic terrorism. You must fight it in your own communities, you must report people who engage in it to the proper authorities. You cannot tolerate this murderous ideology in your midst. We are going to defeat it and you can help us. I want your help.
Thank you.
I agree, this situation could have been handled better. The way you mentioned in bold would have been nice because it differentiates between Muslims like this man's son, and Muslims like ISIS, although I think saying anything more about it at this point may be seen as disingenuous backpeddling.
Alternatively it would have been nice if he had mentioned that it was Hillary Clinton who supported the war in which this man's son died, not to mention destabilizing Libya and Syria. Because frankly, this Khan guy is a damn sellout for supporting Clinton. Of course, Trump can't say it exactly like that, but I would have loved it if he had said something along those lines that got people wondering: "Yeah, why is he supporting the candidate who helped get his son killed?". That would have completely turned the situation on its head.