FYI, Round Trip flight from D.C. to Santiago, Chile for $171

Content isn't my issue

Clarity

WIA

Thanks Dimebait, will be just in time for my Southern SA conquest later next year!

-CD

(11-29-2016 12:23 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  FYI, Round Trip flight from D.C. to Santiago, Chile for $171

It's now showing $300. Still a good deal. Anything south of Lima starts getting into the $800-$1,000 range. I almost feel like buying it just for shits and giggles, maybe my dates will line up next year.

(11-29-2016 01:32 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Content isn't my issue

Clarity

WIA

I understand. It can be like a catch twenty-two sometimes, but the outline is the roadmap. When I was doing research on writing my own Kindle books, an author suggested combing through similar books (even if just the table of contents) to see other authors strengths and weaknesses. He also suggested analyzing the readers comments for similar themes where the author may have come up short, and better expound on those issues in your own book.

Hit up some of the authors forums out there for some good input.

GL

This popped up on another board

Back in my day, if you saw a girl, you had to work up the courage to talk to her. If you were lucky, you had a older family member to show you his skills, but by and Dad/uncle/older brother was just telling you what worked for them, or what they heard.

Even players with sons don't necessarily pass on the nuts and bolts of pimping.

So coming up, I had some basic idea to be confident and be funny. That and $5 will get you a coffee at Starbucks.

I'm thinking that a lot of guys in 2016 aren't getting bad advice from Dad, they're going straight to Google.

And they're finding game, not just regular dating. I don't think this is a good thing to be honest.

Thoughts?

WIA

I'm planning on teaching my kid (whenever I have one)... How depth I would like to go is the question. But I wont leave him in the cold to figure it all out alone.

I've been focusing on building my boys self-esteem up and just how to be good men in general. I think overcoming social awkwardness will have a long lasting positive impact. I also hammer home the fact that no women (or anyone for that matter) is any better or worse than you.

Definitely feel both of you on that. That would be a good post, and I think we've touched on it a bit in this one. Little Archie will be trained to be an approach monster and conversationalist from the womb. No need to break out the three steps to dark triad

I'm talking about these 19 year old dudes though. They're skipping both the basic socialization, and the basic dating stuff and coming straight to places like this. They haven't even tasted the blue pill, but they're extra red pill.

I think that a young guy needs to know what normal is, before they can appreciate what we talk about.

WIA

(11-30-2016 02:16 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  I've been focusing on building my boys self-esteem up and just how to be good men in general. I think overcoming social awkwardness will have a long lasting positive impact. I also hammer home the fact that no women (or anyone for that matter) is any better or worse than you.

This. A lot of lizards will plant this seed in the mind that there is that one. The truth is, there are many ones out there. If these 'ones' existed, divorce wouldn't exist at the astronomical rate that it does.

(11-30-2016 02:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Definitely feel both of you on that. That would be a good post, and I think we've touched on it a bit in this one. Little Archie will be trained to be an approach monster and conversationalist from the womb. No need to break out the three steps to dark triad

I'm talking about these 19 year old dudes though. They're skipping both the basic socialization, and the basic dating stuff and coming straight to places like this. They haven't even tasted the blue pill, but they're extra red pill.

I think that a young guy needs to know what normal is, before they can appreciate what we talk about.

WIA

They also need to meet good lizards as many of reflect the company we keep. A lot of these modern lizards are playing the field heavy. If a young guy goes in there on some traditional style, he's going to go home with an unusual taste in his mouth.

These ladies got too much internet access!
Dated this one that had terabytes of flix.

I'm not going to judge, or be judged, but I know that stuff does something to your mind.
And she was getting hit up online all the time.

She's living in a world that she is ill prepared for

WIA

I do think chicks have a distorted view of reality and unrealistic expectations based on so many simps sliding in their DM's. Hell, they don't even have to be on a dating site to get hit up non-stop. Bishes think there is always something better around the corner.
Man, fat bishes, basic bishes, wolf looking bishes, all of them, constantly getting likes and attention they wouldn't normally see in real life.

if most of the cute girls you see are at convenience store or on the street, how does one work that angle?

Co-worker is having a house party in a few weeks. She had some cute friends last time I was there...

I know I should get her to introduce me to her friends, but after that...then what?

Edit: Squash that, I just need to get my car up here. This no-car life style just ain't workin'.

If you don't have any values or spirit to your personality then your game and relationships are going to suffer.

It's one thing to approach, however if you're fundamentally selfish or only concerned about getting laid rather than adding value to the girl's life then your relationships are going to be broken or purely transactional.

People have called me selfish in the past

All relationships are transactional. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

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My question is more me complaining about logistics. I'm just not seeing women that often right now because I spend three hours commuting on the bus to and from work. Fewer approaches = sad Basket

I could just uber every night to bars downtown but that's a slippery slope

Bars in my local area are all dudes by the time I get back from work

the struggle is real

(11-30-2016 10:09 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  If you don't have any values or spirit to your personality then your game and relationships are going to suffer.

It's one thing to approach, however if you're fundamentally selfish or only concerned about getting laid rather than adding value to the girl's life then your relationships are going to be broken or purely transactional.

Relationships are transactional. This goes for all relationships, not just the intimate ones we have with lizards. The thing is, we often seek encounters with lizards not knowing the value we carry as men. If you take away the sexual appeal that many lizards have, a lot of them are dull and uninteresting. I have been perusing social media these days in an observatory fashion, some lizards have sexy bodies and tons of thirsty followers. These lizards have confused this attention (large social following) with thinking they can now branch out and actually say something that they think is socially relevant.

I am thinking 'Be quiet and let me see that sparse bit of cloth straining against your crevice and more of that feminine flesh. Ain't no one trying to hear the rest of your shyt'.

My question about "then what?" was a bad one because I didn't give any context. not a good question.

so the scenario is your lone wolfin in a club, and you see a two set at the bar. It's too loud to spit, so you decide to go non-verbal.

What would you open with?

We're talking about getting emotional reactions out girls.

Ideas: Stand next to them and clap real loud?

Take up a lot of space and stretch like you're warming up to dance.

lots of the girls i like tend to be in loud joints. i can dance, i can caveman and walk up to a girl pull her away

but what would you do to draw them in? to get them to come to you? w/o words?

nother scenario

bar, three set, tall girls standing at the bar. wearing heels, jeans, revealing top, hair is straight. none of them are paying attention to you. wack pop music, but at least they can hear you

staying on the topic of emotions

"daamn, y'all smell that? someone's got some dank bud/weed/tree" make a face like you smelled something pungent

they'll at each other and say no, but at least they'll be sniffing

or how about one where you walk up to them, point at the ceiling. after they look up, step on one of their toes. This will surprise the girl whose foot you stepped on. She might say "what was that?!" or "why'd you do that?"

Or how about this, you're standing at the bar, next to two girls. My first thought is "you two look like sisters"

How about "you two could be twins" when two girls are obviously different races?

Or if they look alike, you say "which one of you was the outfit coordinator for tonight?"

Edit: Even better "lemme guess, you *gesture toward one of the girls* picked the outfits for tonight"

Moma you're right that all relationships have an element of give and take. However your relationship with a Bro is different from your relationship to the pizza guy...(Unless they're the same person:-)

Seriously though... Maybe a better term is one dimensional relationships...where people are not really interested in your well being only how they can benefit from the situation.

*grabs pen and pad*

This is gonna be good

WIA

(11-30-2016 01:12 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  This popped up on another board

Back in my day, if you saw a girl, you had to work up the courage to talk to her. If you were lucky, you had a older family member to show you his skills, but by and Dad/uncle/older brother was just telling you what worked for them, or what they heard.

Even players with sons don't necessarily pass on the nuts and bolts of pimping.

So coming up, I had some basic idea to be confident and be funny. That and $5 will get you a coffee at Starbucks.

I'm thinking that a lot of guys in 2016 aren't getting bad advice from Dad, they're going straight to Google.

And they're finding game, not just regular dating. I don't think this is a good thing to be honest.

Thoughts?

WIA

That's so true it's not even funny. Those guys want to run while they don't even know how to walk properly. Meaning that the don't have basic socialization skills down, poor social awareness and little to no knowledge of female nature. They've never had a proper GF, have few or zero girls as friends, hang out with suckers, and allow other dudes to tool them. Basically they start at level -10 and now they hit google and dive deep into game. And of course they want it all as fast as possible so they consume level +10 content without making it to the level 0 first.

It's brutal to watch them struggle with it.

Forums were full of them. Game stuff, I mean real game stuff, is actually crippling them. It only exposes their basic incompetencies as they go. You can't get it how to drift a car with understeering before you know how to drive. You can't know how to escalate on a girl properly before you can be normal and cool in her presence. That's how it looked like. Those were the guys who always wanted to know how to just get outside for a moment, talk to one girl and drag her into their place asap.

I definitely think that guys are way too impatient in a way that they want to know it all right away. Step by step process is a lost art.

(12-01-2016 09:10 AM)XXL Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 01:12 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  This popped up on another board

Back in my day, if you saw a girl, you had to work up the courage to talk to her. If you were lucky, you had a older family member to show you his skills, but by and Dad/uncle/older brother was just telling you what worked for them, or what they heard.

Even players with sons don't necessarily pass on the nuts and bolts of pimping.

So coming up, I had some basic idea to be confident and be funny. That and $5 will get you a coffee at Starbucks.

I'm thinking that a lot of guys in 2016 aren't getting bad advice from Dad, they're going straight to Google.

And they're finding game, not just regular dating. I don't think this is a good thing to be honest.

Thoughts?

WIA

That's so true it's not even funny. Those guys want to run while they don't even know how to walk properly. Meaning that the don't have basic socialization skills down, poor social awareness and little to no knowledge of female nature. They've never had a proper GF, have few or zero girls as friends, hang out with suckers, and allow other dudes to tool them. Basically they start at level -10 and now they hit google and dive deep into game. And of course they want it all as fast as possible so they consume level +10 content without making it to the level 0 first.

It's brutal to watch them struggle with it.

Forums were full of them. Game stuff, I mean real game stuff, is actually crippling them. It only exposes their basic incompetencies as they go. You can't get it how to drift a car with understeering before you know how to drive. You can't know how to escalate on a girl properly before you can be normal and cool in her presence. That's how it looked like. Those were the guys who always wanted to know how to just get outside for a moment, talk to one girl and drag her into their place asap.

I definitely think that guys are way too impatient in a way that they want to know it all right away. Step by step process is a lost art.

Theres a guy on the forum right now im trying to help with this same fucking problem

They all want the success TODAY and NOW. If you break the shit down into smaller goals and get good at one part of game and then move on to the next your game will naturally get better.

This dude is trying to get girls in the bed before even mastering the approach, dancefloor game or anything like that... its unreal and even frustrating to watch.

I remember being 16 and going to teen nights at the club and just being happy with the basics.

- learning how to dress
- learning how to approach girls and not get blown out
- how not to take blowouts personally
- dancefloor game

the biggest accomplishment when I was 16 was getting a phone number!

(11-30-2016 02:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Definitely feel both of you on that. That would be a good post, and I think we've touched on it a bit in this one. Little Archie will be trained to be an approach monster and conversationalist from the womb. No need to break out the three steps to dark triad

I'm talking about these 19 year old dudes though. They're skipping both the basic socialization, and the basic dating stuff and coming straight to places like this. They haven't even tasted the blue pill, but they're extra red pill.

I think that a young guy needs to know what normal is, before they can appreciate what we talk about.

WIA

Well at this point I'm not sure what's worse. The guys that are failing without any game knowledge or the guys failing with it. The difference is pretty slim, but key in different ways.

The guys with no game knowledge leave their dignity at the door with their words and are otherwise consistent with their actions with that mindset. The problem with game guys is that though their words have *some* dignity, but their actions reek even worse of a lack thereof.

The other big thing is that the latter guy does even more damage to the average woman than they realize. They piss them off and make it harder. While the former guy is just the average simp so he's already in the garbage category.

And to be completely honest I sometimes feel like going off on them in the day to day and have to bite their heads off because more than anything they lack the shame of the average "beta". They'd come up to a table with girls I'm at and they'll not only disrespect the guys by just thinking they can sit down without even a greeting and by being interesting, but then directly try to cut into a conversation to blatantly hit on the chick thinking they can "AMOG".

They may call it "player hating", but some of these fags do need to be cut down a few sizes. Worst part they use PUA jargon out in the open like its 2005. Pretty sad stuff.

(12-01-2016 04:12 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  the biggest accomplishment when I was 16 was getting a phone number!

God you're bringing back some memories. A kiss on the cheek would make me blush from ear to ear and I would be satisfied with just that for a while. I could only mumble for a few minutes after that when someone tried to make conversation and it felt like my brain short circuited .

(12-01-2016 04:59 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  And to be completely honest I sometimes feel like going off on them in the day to day and have to bite their heads off because more than anything they lack the shame of the average "beta". They'd come up to a table I'm at with girls and they'll not only disrespect the guys by just thinking they can sit down without even a greeting and by being interesting, but then directly try to cut into a conversation to blatantly hit on the chick thinking they can "AMOG".

They may call it "player hating", but some of these fags do need to be cut down a few sizes. Worst part they use PUA jargon out in the open like its 2005. Pretty sad stuff.

This drives me up the goddamn wall.

I used to hang with this one guy on a weekly basis. Introduced him to the manosphere in the hopes that he'd lose his virginity in the his 30s by at least trying some approaches and getting some numbers.

Eventually we had a falling out. A year later I run into him a few times. Brings up the worst heartiste shit at inappropriate times with mixed company. I try to describe the look a girl was giving me, he wasn't understanding, and brought up the thousand cock stare. I just glared at him.

Was just about to approach a cute brunette too but there's an anti-game sphere around him that dries any pussy within a 30ft radius worse than the Sahara. He just stared at them. Motherfucker. Now you're going to talk inane shit while they're in earshot and stare in an awkward manner. Way to go.