(12-08-2016 05:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  What's more important

Offensive game - how to pull chicks

Defensive game - ? How to live with them and keep your money and sanity. *snickers*

WIA

As I understand it. You need to be able to master Offensive Game first before you can successfully move on to Defensive Game.

In other words if you cannot consistently pull quality women IE ONS, day 2 or 3 lays. STR, flings etc (Offensive Game or Short Term Game)

How will you ever be able to maintain a LTR with a quality woman (Long Game, girlfriend, marriage, mother of your children)

With that in mind Offensive game is more important.

Correct me if I got it wrong.

There isn't a right answer.

A good offensive game means you can take an L, but you can't seemingly get a good defensive game unless you have that background of experiences.

WIA

I just thought of something. One element of advanced game would be if you are able to get a lizard to shag your mate(s) on a consistent basis. That means you are actually able to sell his sexual value. I know a guy who seems to have this art downpacked.

What's your take? Is this part of advanced game or nay?

I just want a wife who's gonna continue to dome me up when I'm old and the kids are grown.

Game on brothas

(12-08-2016 07:16 PM)Moma Wrote:  I just thought of something. One element of advanced game would be if you are able to get a lizard to shag your mate(s) on a consistent basis. That means you are actually able to sell his sexual value. I know a guy who seems to have this art downpacked.

What's your take? Is this part of advanced game or nay?

Definition of pimping

WIA

(12-08-2016 06:27 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 05:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  What's more important

Offensive game - how to pull chicks

Defensive game - ? How to live with them and keep your money and sanity. *snickers*

WIA

As I understand it. You need to be able to master Offensive Game first before you can successfully move on to Defensive Game.

In other words if you cannot consistently pull quality women IE ONS, day 2 or 3 lays. STR, flings etc (Offensive Game or Short Term Game)

How will you ever be able to maintain a LTR with a quality woman (Long Game, girlfriend, marriage, mother of your children)

With that in mind Offensive game is more important.

Correct me if I got it wrong.

Not sure if I necessarily agree.... I know guys who can date/be in relationships with hot girls but can't really "pull" chicks when they're not dating them. And there's vice versa I can pull girls short term but I have shitty retention.

(12-08-2016 10:52 PM)Unchained Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 06:27 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 05:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  What's more important

Offensive game - how to pull chicks

Defensive game - ? How to live with them and keep your money and sanity. *snickers*

WIA

As I understand it. You need to be able to master Offensive Game first before you can successfully move on to Defensive Game.

In other words if you cannot consistently pull quality women IE ONS, day 2 or 3 lays. STR, flings etc (Offensive Game or Short Term Game)

How will you ever be able to maintain a LTR with a quality woman (Long Game, girlfriend, marriage, mother of your children)

With that in mind Offensive game is more important.

Correct me if I got it wrong.

Not sure if I necessarily agree.... I know guys who can date/be in relationships with hot girls but can't really "pull" chicks when they're not dating them. And there's vice versa I can pull girls short term but I have shitty retention.

When I say high value I dont just mean good looking. I am talking about women who are loyal, feminine, funny, and sexy. These women take pride in their appearance. They often look several years younger than what is considered the norm. Not because they had work done, but because they watch what they eat and hit the gym on the regular.

Maybe your experience differs from mine. But the handful of guys a I know with women like this in happy LTRs. Are the same guys that pulled the most women when they were single.

As far as long term retention WIA is right. You do need the experience of having LTRs to truly understand the difference in dynamics.

I found out about formal game well after I got divorced. Had I known about game prior to dating my exwife. I probably would still be married to her.

What I think most guys dont understand about LTRs is that IMO they require MORE and not LESS work than being single.

I know a lot of guys who think they can relax or not have to go out as much when they are in LTRS. Or they can slack off on the workouts and not spend as much money on clothes.

Even when they are in LTRs my boys still end up going out 2 - 3 times a week to dinners. They also seem to go to some event every other weekend with their chicks. It is not enough to just be with a high status male. Women need to be seen with this high status male. They especially need to be seen by friends and family. This raises there status among their social circle.

Guys complain how their girl is constantly giving them shit about silly things. This happened to me in LTRs. Even after you lock them down women will still constantly shit test you. Its a subconscious thing where they test you to see if you still have the Alpha traits they fell in love with. What I didnt understand when I was married. Was that I should have not given in to any of this nonsense. Once you do, the shit tests will continue in frequency and severity. The less you give in to her the less shit test she will feel the need to send your way.

Although women are not as visual as men. And some will claim to prefer a cuddly body to a hard one. Once you stop working out and keeping up with the wardrobe. You will get less looks and flirtatiousness from other females when you are out with your chick. This will decrease the amount of jealously she feels. Which in turn overtime will make her feel less attracted to you. Not to mention if she kept herself tight. She will enviably start making mental comparisons between you and the bunch of dudes that are still up her ass, this will lead to temptation and over time this with other areas of neglect make a great recipe of infidelity.

These are just some of the reasons I think LTRs are way more work than just STR.

LTR is way way way harder than being single... I mean some of the skills from being Single transfer over to LTRs but Ogunn you hit the nail on the head.

Interesting stuff on the LTRs - this thread delivers again.

In contrast, on some other threads, some guys keep insisting that being in an LTR means you're not gaming. Thus, I have to keep reminding guys that an LTR doesn't make you immune to the sexual market.

Just now I put it this way: would you keep your LTR 9 if every other girl magically became a 10?

(12-08-2016 10:16 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  I just want a wife who's gonna continue to dome me up when I'm old and the kids are grown.

Game on brothas

What do you require from your wife? Have you had the near perfect (as close to what you think is realistic) before?

(12-08-2016 10:52 PM)Unchained Wrote:  Not sure if I necessarily agree.... I know guys who can date/be in relationships with hot girls but can't really "pull" chicks when they're not dating them. And there's vice versa I can pull girls short term but I have shitty retention.

Pardon me if I am clueless but how hard is it to date a hot lizard over an average one? Once you have pulled her, you are just playing maintenance game, right?

A lizard's greatest power is the sexual potential of her untested poosy which is presented to her suitors. There is a saying, the only thing greater than poosy is new poosy. Once she has given it, she no longer retains the same power which is why sluts run the risk of devaluing their market value. For example, here are two lizards. Lizard A is a 9 and not many have had sex with her. It's rumoured that she has only been in relationships with out of towners who nobody knows. Now Lizard B is also a 9 and many men in the city have had sex with her. They may not boast that she is a slut but it's understood that Gary, Tim and Harry have fcuked her already.

Now a man who has not yet had sex with either of them comes up and perceives both lizards. Given that every other thing is the same (remember they are both 9s), which lizard will hold the higher value for the man?

I am illustrating the story above to say that the lizards greatest bargaining chip here in the West is her punani. This is why so many mediocre lizards have been able to edge so far. The mediocrity has actually been able to edge from the lizards look to now any reasonable female with a warm snatch.

Once you hit that 9 once, twice whatever, the power is gone and you are dealing with the same issues, by and large, that one would experience with any other lizard. The only difference is that, because of her looks, she would experience more propositions than a normal lizard and with social media, normal lizards are absolutely flooded with hunters. This may have her behaving a bit uppity in her relationship but it's still essentially the same shyt.

(12-09-2016 12:40 AM)Ogunn Wrote:  Although women are not as visual as men. And some will claim to prefer a cuddly body to a hard one. Once you stop working out and keeping up with the wardrobe. You will get less looks and flirtatiousness from other females when you are out with your chick. This will decrease the amount of jealously she feels. Which in turn overtime will make her feel less attracted to you. Not to mention if she kept herself tight. She will enviably start making mental comparisons between you and the bunch of dudes that are still up her ass, this will lead to temptation and over time this with other areas of neglect make a great recipe of infidelity.

These are just some of the reasons I think LTRs are way more work than just STR.

The bolded is true. Lizards like to have stuff that other lizards desire. If she is sporting some scruffy looking husband and your other values are not high to compensate, you will have to remain sharp to keep her from testing you.
However, this starts to leak back into the debate on how important looks are to game....lol

That makes sense...healthy LTRs or relationships in general
help keep a girl in shape mentally and emotionally.

In my experience I've noticed there are 4 different types of girls...
1. Women in a relationships(married or dating)
2. Women in between relationships(4-6 months)
3. Women not in relationships(6-36 months)
4. Women with cats (a.k.a The Crazy Cat lady)

Just from a conversational point of view, women who are either
in relationships or in-between relationships seem to be easier
to talk to and know how to play the game...i.e they are easier to date...

Whereas women not in relationships (such as divorcees etc) tend
to have a harder time interacting with men because they've had less recent
practice when it comes to dating.

Going after the low hanging fruit might actually hold you back long term
when it comes to getting a quality girl.

I realized that my game suffered from a lack of velocity...not meeting enough girls
on a regular basis. In that scenario, you're going too slow to catch quality girls in-between
relationships so you never really break through the glass ceiling and get the girls you want.

And as for the quality girls who are still fresh (i.e 6-15 months single), a lack of velocity also prevents
most guys from even meeting these girls...thus the glass ceiling remains firmly in place...until it is
shattered with daily productivity.

(12-08-2016 10:52 PM)Unchained Wrote:  Not sure if I necessarily agree.... I know guys who can date/be in relationships with hot girls but can't really "pull" chicks when they're not dating them. And there's vice versa I can pull girls short term but I have shitty retention.

This I'd love to hear more about.

WIA

(12-09-2016 06:25 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 10:16 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  I just want a wife who's gonna continue to dome me up when I'm old and the kids are grown.

Game on brothas

What do you require from your wife? Have you had the near perfect (as close to what you think is realistic) before?

To get through the door
- face, body, style, and habits to maintain
- educated

But the real meat of the relationship is how wet deal with each other when times are bad, but also when they're boring.

If I find myself with a chick, and feel that I need to keep her entertained, keep her occupied, that means I made a mistake.

As player/pimp/alpha as you are,, it's been my experience that women want increasing levels of attention. When you give it to her you're on the hook for MORE. When you don't, she looks elsewhere. Reality tv, romance novels, workplace drama, her family and friends.

My work around has been to either not get involved, consider the nuclear options like marriage and kids...

But now, I just accept that this broad is going to be a broad despite my best efforts.

A thing I've learned
- you get used to a pretty face
- the sex gets predictable

But I don't really start trying to reclaim ownership until someone else starts to value something that I'm bored with. Her too.

More than a few times a young chick has tried to catch my eye when I was with.a girl already. My girl would get very possessive, and that would carry over.

So now I'm thinking that it's crucial, especially in this day and age, - when people don't meet physically - to stay in new social situations AND keep your value up, and your options open.

As men, or me at least, I want to slay dragons and come home to my castle, children, hot meal, and some head.

But the queen needs her palace intrigue, otherwise.

Basically agreeing with what's been written up thread

WIA

Women, especially Black women LOVE to show off & flaunt their beau in front of their perpetually single girlfriends. I definitely believe going out has to be a consistent component of an LTR. Sitting at home eating take out, watching NetFlix won't work to keep her.

In my opinion, Fellas, make sure whomever you consider a candidate for an LTR or future wife has or had a good relationship with her father! Daddyless Daughters are ticking time-bombs.

On keeping a bad bitch, young hottie,

She only wants what other girls want or have.

The younger and hotter, the more likely she is yo follow the crowd.

And she'll swear on everything that she loves, that she is in fact "original".

The women that I meet that aren't on that, are either not that attractive, or the milk has spoiled.

The surefire way to regularly pull top end chicks is to surround yourself with top end chicks. And all of them should new wondering, what is it about this guy that makes these other girls want him.

You basically want to be a male Kim Kardashian, lol.

Why is he famous? He has no talent. No money, not particularly handsome.

The way I talk one on one game now is about making her crave. You get into it with a feisty chick and keep moving the goal posts and changing the rules (like chicks do) the more she unconsciously wants you. That's the psychological basis of verbal game. Because you're fucking with her she decides that your fun.

But she doesn't really have the tools to describe what is happening to her. Chicks are good with that uncertainty.

So externalize that with other chicks. They still want the pretty boys, the rich guys, meatheads, etc. But if you're showing up to spots with two hot chicks, especially if you don't look "worthy", other hot chicks take notice and wonder. What do they see in him?

To bring it back to the LTR, this curiosity about what other girls are doing never ends.

It's Friday, let's chop game

WIA

(12-09-2016 11:01 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  Women, especially Black women LOVE to show off & flaunt their beau in front of their perpetually single girlfriends. I definitely believe going out has to be a consistent component of an LTR. Sitting at home eating take out, watching NetFlix won't work to keep her.
I
In my opinion, Fellas, make sure whomever you consider a candidate for an LTR or future wife has or had a good relationship with her father! Daddyless Daughters are ticking time-bombs.

Dime bringing hot sauce to the fish fry!

I make it a point to meet the friends and family

I want to see how Mom looks. My ex, was mad cute, couldn't see it in her mom though. We break up, she gets a new guy, has a kid, looks just like mom.

*bullet dodged*

Family also likes to interfere. Calling everyday and what not

The friends? You might have pulled her when she wasn't being her real self. Like you catch a church girl at the club, or a ratchet chick at bible study. Who a chick is with others is often different than who she is with you.

WIA

(12-09-2016 05:52 AM)262 Wrote:  Interesting stuff on the LTRs - this thread delivers again.

In contrast, on some other threads, some guys keep insisting that being in an LTR means you're not gaming. Thus, I have to keep reminding guys that an LTR doesn't make you immune to the sexual market.

Just now I put it this way: would you keep your LTR 9 if every other girl magically became a 10?

You're abroad, how's black American game philosophy working for you?

I've traveled some, but when I've touched down, chicks are into either my western factor, money factor, or exotic factor.

Our game is culturally specific in some ways.

WIA

WIA,

So how do you become friends with 2 "hot" girls to attract more?

If I hang out with a "hot" chick I'm definitely going to try to bone depending if I can tolerate her. I'm the type of guy with no friends that are girls unless I work with them and it's a different story. If I she an attractive girl I'm going to put my bid in and see if the attraction is mutual.

(12-09-2016 10:16 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 10:52 PM)Unchained Wrote:  Not sure if I necessarily agree.... I know guys who can date/be in relationships with hot girls but can't really "pull" chicks when they're not dating them. And there's vice versa I can pull girls short term but I have shitty retention.

This I'd love to hear more about.

WIA

I've met a few of these guys. Though the most common variant is that they're still with their high school sweetheart.

The other kind I've run into aren't exactly the kind of men I generally like to hang with. They're kind of like Drake with that whole simp until you can steal a guy who doesn't get the score, like Chris Brown, kind of "game". They keep hot chicks around for even a year or two by simping, but that's because they're naturally into causing drama.

They know a guy is with a chick or about to commit to a chick but come in and completely fuck it up for him. Almost by subconsciously embarrassing the guy in question for having someone like him in his group of friends. This mainly due to the fact that they don't even fuck some of the chicks that they stop other guys from fucking/continuing to fuck. They just drive them around and become a good little orbiter listening to their life problems/paying for their meals.

The strangest part about these guys being that all they need is a few moments alone with a chick to do that job.

(12-09-2016 11:08 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 11:01 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  Women, especially Black women LOVE to show off & flaunt their beau in front of their perpetually single girlfriends. I definitely believe going out has to be a consistent component of an LTR. Sitting at home eating take out, watching NetFlix won't work to keep her.
I
In my opinion, Fellas, make sure whomever you consider a candidate for an LTR or future wife has or had a good relationship with her father! Daddyless Daughters are ticking time-bombs.

Dime bringing hot sauce to the fish fry!

I make it a point to meet the friends and family

I want to see how Mom looks. My ex, was mad cute, couldn't see it in her mom though. We break up, she gets a new guy, has a kid, looks just like mom.

*bullet dodged*

Family also likes to interfere. Calling everyday and what not

The friends? You might have pulled her when she wasn't being her real self. Like you catch a church girl at the club, or a ratchet chick at bible study. Who a chick is with others is often different than who she is with you.

WIA

I ignored redflags both in my ex-wife and in my current LTR. Both relationships have resulted in nearly a 20 year time time sink. I overlooked the flags because they made it easy for me to do so by over compensating in areas that I valued while hiding their baggage. But, hey we all gotta learn one way or another.

(12-09-2016 11:40 AM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  WIA,

So how do you become friends with 2 "hot" girls to attract more?

This is where social and professional circle game comes into play. In my experience, dimes love dudes who aren't outcome dependent. Invite one of those bishes out to meet another bish. Explain how she would really get along with so-an-so and you too have a lot in common, etc.

^That sounds like something that I would do after I've smashed a female. I've done some crazy things in my life and have gotten away with it. One thing that I can advise for anyone in this game is to have a lot of confidence. And if your not confident then fake it until you make it.

As Dimebait touched on its still important to take your girl out in a LTR if just for the simple fact that she can see that other girls still do want you.

I learned from making mistakes in prior relationships, that a girl will dress down and try and get you to do the same when going out even somewhere simple. Don't fall for it. It's so she can make the least amount of effort to hold you and to make it so she has less competition.

In reality what helps draw her to you is that competition and the fact that you can be gone with another chick in a day if you wanted. That makes you more attractive to other chicks you see out too since they will wonder why she so drawn to you so hard.

(12-09-2016 11:40 AM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  WIA,

So how do you become friends with 2 "hot" girls to attract more?

If I hang out with a "hot" chick I'm definitely going to try to bone depending if I can tolerate her. I'm the type of guy with no friends that are girls unless I work with them and it's a different story. If I she an attractive girl I'm going to put my bid in and see if the attraction is mutual.

That one track mind is essentially the problem.
You can't be around a hot girl without fucking being on the brain.

You have to explicitly put these chicks in the friend zone. If you can't contain your thirst, you can't do this method.

Luckily there are dozens of ways

WIA