(11-10-2016 06:10 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:39 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 02:22 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Archie after observing the rest of the forum I found out that the travel and black threads are the best place to stay around here.

There's way too much arguing on here and dare I say racism as well (not just again blacks either)

What that dude posted in that Croatia thread was sickening. You would think after meeting so many people here and see how us brothers here you would think different. Some people man.

It's called hate, jealous and envy.

I will be leaving as well, we will be revealing a new site soon.

I will let Moma drop the details...

I am sad to see both of you brothers moving on.

Hell it was because of your threads and contributions that I developed the traveler mentality. Rudebwoy & West Indian Archie I owe you both a debt a of gratitude.

Please make sure you let us know where you guys are moving on to.

Ogunn - thanks for the nice words.

We live in a glorious age, where we can travel and see foreign places.

A lot of these places were simply unattainable before or just too damn expensive to visit.

I just booked a cheap flight to Iceland and finally convinced one of my naysayer friends to join me. This will be my 3rd trip to Iceland, which seems crazy even for a travel guy like myself.

http://thebiglead.com/2016/11/10/florida...nnu-smith/

*pours out some Appleton Rum for Jariel*

The typical lesson from celebrity guys getting fucked over by chicks is all that height, muscles, fame, money - is no substitute for not understanding how women behave generally and how your woman behaves in particular.

You know how much pussy these athletes get?
You know how little game they have?

But that's not why I find this particular case interesting.

She went to extremes to get his attention.

A big part of the LTR game is not letting a woman become the center of your life. If you're always attentive to her needs, solving whatever problem you throw at her - won't be too long until she starts wearing heels to the grocery store.

But Archie, Olga already goes to the gym in full make up - she takes an hour to get ready for the yogurt place....

The chick is advertising, and is always in advertising mode. Have you people learned nothing about hypergamy?

....A digression

So by solving all of her problems, being the go to guy for everything - you lose your sexy. Not because you're smart, but because you're investing in her, and she's not investing in you. You're reacting to her, and she's not reacting to you.

You've lost "hand"

So the veteran player advice is making her support your mission. And if she doesn't invest in you, you cut her loose.

This is a case where a dude took it to the extreme.

This chick needed attention, and he wasn't paying attention.
So she ended his career. She'll catch a few months in jail, get some anger management training have the baby, and now he's on the hook to send her money.

Where that money is gonna come from?

Guys yammering about
- how he shouldn't have been living with her
- he shouldn't have knocked her up
- she's only a 5.5 on a good day
- Latina? That fiery passion gotta go somewhere...

They don't get it. Time Machine Players...

He was so into his own mission that he didn't pay attention to her behavior, and now he's paying the cost.

Game saves lives.
Game saves careers.

WIA

Good post, WIA.

Cause I'm going to be real.

(11-13-2016 11:00 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Guys yammering about
- how he shouldn't have been living with her
- he shouldn't have knocked her up
- she's only a 5.5 on a good day
- Latina? That fiery passion gotta go somewhere...

After reading the article, this was me at first.

And those aren't bad points. After all, he's a college dude about to enter the NFL, even if he loves her he should have been wrapping that shit up. Not to get all Gorilla Mindset, but if your mission is that important then you have to focus your life accordingly, and that means not getting bogged down by crazy bitches.

In this defense, that thought process requires life strategic thinking, which isn't something that most people are taught by either school or parents.

But your point resonated with me:

Quote:....A digression

So by solving all of her problems, being the go to guy for everything - you lose your sexy. Not because you're smart, but because you're investing in her, and she's not investing in you. You're reacting to her, and she's not reacting to you.

You've lost "hand"

So the veteran player advice is making her support your mission. And if she doesn't invest in you, you cut her loose.

This is a case where a dude took it to the extreme.

This chick needed attention, and he wasn't paying attention.
So she ended his career.

This really connected with me, because I've been the Captain Save-A-Ho where I was giving some chick all my time and attention.

And what happened, time and again, among chicks from all races/classes/religions, was A) They take your ass for granted, cause like you said, they have no skin in the game, and girls who demand that much attention are usually extra extra crazy B) They come to constantly expect that level of attention. It's like you meet a girl who's blowing you like a vacuum 5 days a week every day, then you're with her for a while and it goes down to twice a month. We wouldn't be cool with that.

Chicks are like that with attention: you can't go from seeing/texting/calling/skyping for hours everyday to a GM text once a week.

Again, in his defense, some of that Captain Save-A-Ho-ism comes from small thinking/lack of life stratgic vision, some of it comes from lack of confidence, and some of it can come from the gynocentric thinking men are raised with to put women's needs first. I used to refuse to let women do things for me, thinking that a "real man" took care of both himself and his woman. It was a terrible thought process that failed me time and again. I cold see a young dude like him giving so much, and her expecting everything from him all teh time, that when he got busy with his mission she freaked out. And the fucked up part was even though his busyness pissed her off, while he was working so hard he probably thought, "When I'm in the NFL and making bank, then we both will be set for life."

(11-13-2016 11:00 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  http://thebiglead.com/2016/11/10/florida...nnu-smith/

....A digression

So by solving all of her problems, being the go to guy for everything - you lose your sexy. Not because you're smart, but because you're investing in her, and she's not investing in you. You're reacting to her, and she's not reacting to you.

You've lost "hand"

WIA

This describes to the letter two of my friends who are constantly surrounded by hot women friends that they are not sleeping with. These two guys must be in the Websters Dictionary under Friend Zoned.

They give the excuse that "Oh we are just friends." But they go everywhere with these chicks. If you were to look on their Facebook pages you would think these guys were in relationships with some of these girls.

The funny thing is, 4 of us have banged a bunch of these girls. And we didnt do it by always being available, always fixing there problems. Always showing up to their events. Always inviting them out. (Hell a couple of times I had to uninvite a couple of them.)

When it comes to the ladies its better to under invest than over invest!

(11-13-2016 12:16 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  And what happened, time and again, among chicks from all races/classes/religions, was A) They take your ass for granted, cause like you said, they have no skin in the game, and girls who demand that much attention are usually extra extra crazy B) They come to constantly expect that level of attention. It's like you meet a girl who's blowing you like a vacuum 5 days a week every day, then you're with her for a while and it goes down to twice a month. We wouldn't be cool with that.

You know what I'm talking about through experience!

This is why i feel a lot of what I have to offer game wise, is really for cats that have gotten over "approach anxiety" and tactics.

Young dudes and new cats are often over-impressed with being able to come up with lines on the fly. Freestyling the banter is so amazing. But there are basic rules to this stuff, and once you get them, once you have goto lines, once you've seen the short game - your game should move up.

(11-13-2016 12:16 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  Chicks are like that with attention: you can't go from seeing/texting/calling/skyping for hours everyday to a GM text once a week.

Again, in his defense, some of that Captain Save-A-Ho-ism comes from small thinking/lack of life stratgic vision, some of it comes from lack of confidence, and some of it can come from the gynocentric thinking men are raised with to put women's needs first.

This is the truth.

But where I think veterans can go too far is blaming guys for their condition.

You can't think your way out of this one. Because it's bigger than what you can see. And if you can't see the whole picture, get all the facts, know some of the underlying behavior, you're groping around in the dark looking for a light switch that's not at arm level.

A guy needs to be taught some of these lessons by a guy with more experience, a guy he can respect. Finding that guy is tough. I know i've had to piece together things from what I've seen other guys do. Then try it out. But I needed to have that overall mindset to 1) believe it's solvable, 2) look outside of myself and my experiences to solve it.

Part of the search for answers, is this guy getting the results I want?

I've seen other guys deep in the game say that - and it made me realize - that dude was totally right - but also - he didn't have the results that I wanted. I didn't discount his advice, I just relabeled the tool as a ratchet, as a jack hammer, as a computer programming language. This is what this guy's game is good for. Here's how he does it. I can go full force on that, or I can take parts of it and test it. Some stuff that he does can't be done without going whole hog.

(11-13-2016 12:16 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  I used to refuse to let women do things for me, thinking that a "real man" took care of both himself and his woman. It was a terrible thought process that failed me time and again. I cold see a young dude like him giving so much, and her expecting everything from him all teh time, that when he got busy with his mission she freaked out. And the fucked up part was even though his busyness pissed her off, while he was working so hard he probably thought, "When I'm in the NFL and making bank, then we both will be set for life."

Bruh...

I think it got mentioned in the player thread or this one, but Gary Brodsky was saying that If a chick is coming through to your spot, stopping by the grocery store, and asking if you need anything - make her buy something for you. Maybe you just went to the grocery store, make her bring some cauliflower anyway. It's funny that it resonates with me now, but when I was reading heavy pimp game stuff - it didn't pop out to me then. I'm reading some pimp stuff now, (Gentlemen of Leisure) - and a lot of the actions are making a whole lot of sense to me.

She's investing.
She's making herself happy, by making you happy.

WIA

(11-13-2016 12:31 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 11:00 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  http://thebiglead.com/2016/11/10/florida...nnu-smith/

....A digression

So by solving all of her problems, being the go to guy for everything - you lose your sexy. Not because you're smart, but because you're investing in her, and she's not investing in you. You're reacting to her, and she's not reacting to you.

You've lost "hand"

WIA

This describes to the letter two of my friends who are constantly surrounded by hot women friends that they are not sleeping with. These two guys must be in the Websters Dictionary under Friend Zoned.

They give the excuse that "Oh we are just friends." But they go everywhere with these chicks. If you were to look on their Facebook pages you would think these guys were in relationships with some of these girls.

The funny thing is, 4 of us have banged a bunch of these girls. And we didnt do it by always being available, always fixing there problems. Always showing up to their events. Always inviting them out. (Hell a couple of times I had to uninvite a couple of them.)

When it comes to the ladies its better to under invest than over invest!

If he was game savvy, he'd figure out how to pimp those friendships - even if he isn't fucking them.

Having a female friend, even if it's a fake friendship like he has, can be very valuable.

If he wants to turn that shit around, he has to realize what he's dealing with. He has to understand the nature of woman in general, and these women specifically.

If he actually starts treating these bitches like friends of his, like you might tell your boy you gone fire up the grill, he need to bring some brews - He could vastly improve his life.

Instead, he's trying to nice his way into the pussy.

If you're "friends" with a stripper, and she's fucking some rapper/drug dealer or whatever. It ain't like she doesn't get other offers from rapper/drug dealers, rich guys, meatheads.

You don't want to ask her what she thinks, you want to know
- where they met
- what he said
- what he was wearing
- who his boys were

^You want to learn what kind of things the man does that made her respond.

When you ask your female friend about a dating issue you're having, you're not looking for advice per se. You're really digging into how she thinks. It's not even what she says, it's how she says it.

For my day job, I have my clients fill out a worksheet.
The worksheet is far longer than it should be, and like a scientologists, questions 1 and 18 are slightly similar.

I learn some stuff from what the client actually says.

I learn far more in how far they get.

If somebody gets through the whole thing, or they write good and thoughtful answers - that tells me a lot more about their character than what they say to me. This way of thinking was gleaned from an old job and later on reading about GRIT - How I adapt game from other places to help me.

So the TLR

1) Your fake female friends, chicks you're scheming on but failed cause you were trying to invest/nice your way into the pussy

2) Make them into actual friends. It will probably help to verbalize to the broad, "You're actually in my friend zone"
- a good conversation can actually come out that...topic for another time

3) Be actual friends
- invite them out
- pick their brains
- learn from their reactions - how to pull.

4) You've got to be careful about the investment you make
- You have to be able to say no.

WIA

Football players, boxers, singers and actors always seem
to have bad luck when it comes to women...

Even Usher who got married again last year has had a tough time in the past.
And let's not even talk about our brother M. Strahan...He's got everything going for him
and yet he still struggles to get quality dimes...personally I wouldn't be interested in dating
the exes of other celebrities...unless it's Scarlet Johannson:-)

Maybe it's self sabotage...or maybe it's just isolation and the fact that
they're so busy with their careers that they really don't have the time
to practice game (without the benefit of fame and celebrity)
and develop their skills.

Those guys have all types of girls throwing ass at them all the time.

I mean how do you tell who is genuine and who is fake? Yeah sometimes its obvious and sometimes not.

That is why ive always I said I would love to be rich but not be famous.

You could always hide your wealth from a girl if you really wanted to.

1) fame is a tough problem, but it ends up being about control of self.

2) money over fame,, agreed

3) hide the wealth

Don't know how I could enjoy it and hide it at the same time.

A 2 bedroom apartment in lower Manhattan screams seven figures, more money than most humans will ever see.

WIA

I dropped my 6 year in Germany thread for anyone that is interested.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-59335.html

I had alot of trouble condensing everything into 1 thread because I just have so much damn information. If anyone wants to know more feel free to hit me up.

I would like to elaborate on this topic:

Why would anyone who is expert in sales..particularly cold calling have approach anxiety? Can they not just make the mental switch accordingly?

For instance, most all around athletes won't have an issue crossing over to another sport. For example, Lebron James and Allen Iverson were outstanding high school football players. Making the transition to basketball wasn't too hard.

I have done cold calling before, both face to face (used to sell window attachments in Sutton) and telephone (timeshares from Croydon) and it felt humiliating to get the phone slammed down in my ear or told to the face to bugger off.

For someone who has mastered that field, what reason would they still have approach anxiety? They already know the maths favours them..

(11-14-2016 08:18 PM)Moma Wrote:  I would like to elaborate on this topic:

Why would anyone who is expert in sales..particularly cold calling have approach anxiety? Can they not just make the mental switch accordingly?

For instance, most all around athletes won't have an issue crossing over to another sport. For example, Lebron James and Allen Iverson were outstanding high school football players. Making the transition to basketball wasn't too hard.

I have done cold calling before, both face to face (used to sell window attachments in Sutton) and telephone (timeshares from Croydon) and it felt humiliating to get the phone slammed down in my ear or told to the face to bugger off.

For someone who has mastered that field, what reason would they still have approach anxiety? They already know the maths favours them..

Personally, I found game easier than sales.

When it comes to game, I believe in the product!

However a good game funnel is analogous to a good sales funnel.

One of the thorny issues is whether the girl is qualified.

In game, every chick can buy.
In sales, not every prospect has the money to be a customer.

WIA

(11-14-2016 10:39 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Personally, I found game easier than sales.

When it comes to game, I believe in the product!

However a good game funnel is analogous to a good sales funnel.

One of the thorny issues is whether the girl is qualified.

In game, every chick can buy.
In sales, not every prospect has the money to be a customer.

WIA

Not every lizard is worth selling to. The screening process is to see if she's suitable. She might look like she's out to buy but unsuitable (crazy, just out to waste time, bad breath, smelly fish, taken etc).

Personally, now that I wholeheartedly embrace quality over quantity, I find that cold leads, approaches, prospects, etc is a growing waste of time for me.

Gone are the days where I would invest time to bang a physically attractive, yet mentally, emotionally, financially and intellectually unattractive broad. Only to pretend to be interested long enough to get the panties then putting effort into dodging that bish afterwards.

With cold approaches, it's literally like playing a slot machine, you just never know what you'll get and most of the time its minimum payout.

Social & professional circle game seems to be where its at with me. At least I have a baseline of minimum qualifications to go on. I guess as I got older, my time became more valuable and I quickly run cost-benefit analysis on just about everything in my life from changing my own oil to trying to fuck a uneducated 8

@Dimebait

I've always viewed that stage as another plateau and maturation of your Game. As far as having a renewable pool of talent and having some of your vetting work done for you social/professional circle Game is the future of this thing of ours. As society gets further and further disconnected, people have started looking inward for potential partners. For women it's safe, and comes with a stamp of approval from her friends. We all know the degree of laziness woman have when it comes to finding a mate, so the referral system will at least get a guy in close proximity with the rest being squarely up to him.

Meeting a chick through a warm (see:safe)social environment serves to knock down some the obstacles of integrating yourself into her sphere of influence. I still approach regularly, and I enjoy the challenge but deep down I realize that if a chick already knows how cool of a guy I am through the free advertisement of others than that just increases my odds of success.

(11-15-2016 12:13 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  We all know the degree of laziness woman have when it comes to finding a mate, so the referral system will at least get a guy in close proximity with the rest being squarely up to him.

Man, you ain't never lied! It kills me to hear woman complain about finding a decent man when all they do is sit around on their ass posting selfies all day. Then, they get so gassed up by thirsty innanet cats, they really start to believe their sh!t don't stank.

So what could a good looking chick reveal that would make your say "Nah"?

I've only dated professional chicks for a decade at least, and some stuff that gets a downgrade

- I don't want kids
- in a vegetarian/picky eater

The dilemma I've faced with professional chicks is their relative lack of domestic skills

-Too busy to cook or see the need to regularly
-Cluttered living spaces
-Relative ADHD (Always focused on the next work project/deadline)

Some of these types actually believe their high powered careers/disposable incomes circumvent the need for them to master the basics to not only attract but keep a good man

Pretty much anything in my repertoire of significant turn-offs and/or red-flags.
Can't hold a conversation, socially awkward, intellectually challenged, puts forth no effort, entitled, no manners, etc. The list goes on an on. My point is, looks no longer trump negative attributes.

The way I see it, women are nickel a dozen, especially professional single black women (which I primarily date), if she gives me no reason to pursue, I don't. It's just that simple.
I'm looking for a Marilyn Mosby mixed with Porsha from RHWOA in her Kordell Stewart days. I know this seems like a tall order, but shit, I consider myself Barrack Obama-esque w/ a slice of Ice Cube, lol

(11-15-2016 01:37 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  So what could a good looking chick reveal that would make your say "Nah"?

I've only dated professional chicks for a decade at least, and some stuff that gets a downgrade

- I don't want kids
- in a vegetarian/picky eater

I can't stand lizards with pets. I was dealing with one lizard and she was pretty, reasonably educated (bachelors working on her masters) and travelled (lived in Europe for a bit).

However, she had this fcuking little dog. She also couldn't cook and had no shame in it.

Watching Malcolm X, made me think of WIA

Malcolm kicks a lot of actual game in his autobiography, The whole chapter about Sophie.

But MLK Jr was the real player. FBI was going to blackmail him over extramarital affairs.

Man, if I could rap with a preacher behind closed doors, lol.

WIA

(11-13-2016 10:55 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 06:10 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:39 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 02:22 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Archie after observing the rest of the forum I found out that the travel and black threads are the best place to stay around here.

There's way too much arguing on here and dare I say racism as well (not just again blacks either)

What that dude posted in that Croatia thread was sickening. You would think after meeting so many people here and see how us brothers here you would think different. Some people man.

It's called hate, jealous and envy.

I will be leaving as well, we will be revealing a new site soon.

I will let Moma drop the details...

I am sad to see both of you brothers moving on.

Hell it was because of your threads and contributions that I developed the traveler mentality. Rudebwoy & West Indian Archie I owe you both a debt a of gratitude.

Please make sure you let us know where you guys are moving on to.

Ogunn - thanks for the nice words.

We live in a glorious age, where we can travel and see foreign places.

A lot of these places were simply unattainable before or just too damn expensive to visit.

I just booked a cheap flight to Iceland and finally convinced one of my naysayer friends to join me. This will be my 3rd trip to Iceland, which seems crazy even for a travel guy like myself.

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(11-13-2016 10:55 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 06:10 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:39 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 02:22 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Archie after observing the rest of the forum I found out that the travel and black threads are the best place to stay around here.

There's way too much arguing on here and dare I say racism as well (not just again blacks either)

What that dude posted in that Croatia thread was sickening. You would think after meeting so many people here and see how us brothers here you would think different. Some people man.

It's called hate, jealous and envy.

I will be leaving as well, we will be revealing a new site soon.

I will let Moma drop the details...

I am sad to see both of you brothers moving on.

Hell it was because of your threads and contributions that I developed the traveler mentality. Rudebwoy & West Indian Archie I owe you both a debt a of gratitude.

Please make sure you let us know where you guys are moving on to.

Ogunn - thanks for the nice words.

We live in a glorious age, where we can travel and see foreign places.

A lot of these places were simply unattainable before or just too damn expensive to visit.

I just booked a cheap flight to Iceland and finally convinced one of my naysayer friends to join me. This will be my 3rd trip to Iceland, which seems crazy even for a travel guy like myself.

Can you elaborate on the draw to Iceland ? I was there for a 5 hour layover, and had a great vibe about the city...Its been on my radar ever since

(11-14-2016 11:11 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 10:39 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Personally, I found game easier than sales.

When it comes to game, I believe in the product!

However a good game funnel is analogous to a good sales funnel.

One of the thorny issues is whether the girl is qualified.

In game, every chick can buy.
In sales, not every prospect has the money to be a customer.

WIA

Not every lizard is worth selling to. The screening process is to see if she's suitable. She might look like she's out to buy but unsuitable (crazy, just out to waste time, bad breath, smelly fish, taken etc).

What would be helpful is to see some real stats on approaching
i.e out of approaching 100 women, what are the avg success ratios
based on time spent following up...ie calling and setting up dates...
within a quality range of 8-9.

Ideally, you'd want women to connect with you instead of the other way round...
it's just too time consuming to chase and filter...it's not even sustainable.

It does takes extra work, however becoming an authority, coaching etc...
helping people get to the next level, providing a service can definitely help
get in front of that perfect prospect...and reach a girl who's already attracted to you.