(10-30-2016 10:30 AM)Huey Wrote:  Aside from the "standard" (cold approach, escalation/attraction, close) approach...

- LTR management
- social circle
- body language / subcommunication


Those three aren't covered in-depth in most game books. Everything else has been done to death imo.

Those are intermediate topics.

LTR Stuff is basically the hardest game there is because by getting into a monogamous relationship - you're basically taking away your most valuable tools

Social Circle - An intermediate/advanced topic that should have stuff in the beginner's area

Body Language/Sub Com - hard to describe in print.

A lot of Aspie's and guys who have poor base level socialization - can't tell when people are frightened, scared, mad, et cetera. I can't help those dudes. 1-5% by my count. Though the post a shit load on forums.

But then there are "regular" guys that just don't even put themselves in the shoes of others. Not sociopaths/narcissists, but just clueless. %20-30%

And finally there are the "good boys". They are too aware of shit, and want to keep things chill so as not to upset anyone.

Like everything - a guy can be smidge Aspie in some contexts, clueless in other contexts, and deathly afraid of violating social norms in other contexts. He has all three archetypes within him, even though most of the time he's one thing.

For example, When I've been abroad, I'm entirely clueless about what is acceptable.

At home, you guys have seen me obsess with these morning train approaches. Any other time, I know what to do. But since I'm in my head, and in the heads of these chicks, and in the heads of a crowd - I can't just start spitting because I "know" it's going to fall on deaf ears, and result in negative reactions.

I'm too aware of the social context/social dynamics.

This is because I was firmly embedded in the matrix, very well programmed.

I suspect a lot of high achieving black dudes deal with this, more so than white guys, because in order to get some level of success within a majority white society - you have to accept a whole lot White Social Programming.

With our Asian and Indian brothers, I see how much they've swallowed the Kool Aid, that they pick names like Connor or Hank so a broad doesn't have to pronounce Maruthhur Gopalamenon Ramachandran.

...

But the topic was body language and sub-communication.

Stuff like her body turned away, versus turned towards - that's basically universal. Stuff like the pee pee dance that little kids do - universal.

Other stuff, like if she starts playing with her hair - is that boredom (bad) or preening (good)? That's not even something that shows up infield that's useful - it ends up being idiosyncratic to the girl.

A chick that's really on her game, like a stripper - she'll put her hand on your chest way before you get other signs that the chick is in to you.

There's a certain rhythm to the game, a chick is mad then indifferent then mildly interested then interest piques, then she can't get enough of you, then she starts touching you.

So if a chick breaks the touch barrier quickly and in such a way that shows interest - a super hot chick that's very outgoing is seeing if you jump at the bait.

A new guy will think it's on. He will then joke harder, or try and reciprocate.

But the touch itself, - it fucks with your mind. It pushes you off your game.

A player that gets the game, will actually say the chick is socially violating him, and push her away. When you say NO to a fine ass bitch - that often drives the attraction through the roof - and then you go into the sequence.

*it's funny how much I can punch out just answering questions, but sitting down to right w/o answering one person's issue is much harder.

WIA

(10-30-2016 10:44 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 09:41 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  The book I really want to write is for intermediate guys, and the book I want to read is how to become Barack Obama. That Bill Clinton level game

WIA

THIS! Too many of these books and advice is geared towards beginners. I don't blame them as I think it's fair to assume that these guys make up 90%+ of guys seeking advice on game. Most true intermediate and advanced level players are satisfied with their results.

Example: I banged 3 chicks, 2 7s 1 6.5 in the last 2 weeks. Most of my friends thinks that bad ass, but i'm not satisfied. I still feel my game is intermediate and i'm looking for ways to advance. I want to get to that level where game transcends opposite gender attraction, banging sarah at the bar etc. Something not to develop algorithms, but more to develop the advanced player mindset. Something like 48 laws of Power, but that's still based on a set of rules because someone else discovered it.

I think a book on creating mentalities that lead to something like Mode one, Bang, 48 laws of power is in order.

-CD

You doing good.

Part of the issue with getting better is defining better.

Do you want your cold approach game to be so cold, that you're doing the least but getting the most?

Maybe you want to max out your online game, and you do that by using internet marketing techniques

Maybe you want some primal, parachute me into the jungles of Venezuela, and I can communicate with a girl on a basic level, that I leave with the Chief's daughter and his blessing.

Or maybe you just want to fuck objective 10's. Fashion Models, Rap Video/Instagram bitches. You don't even see those bitches in real life, but her profile says she lives in your Metro Area. Where the fuck are you?

Or maybe you want to be "that dude", where you walk up in the spot - the dj shouts you out - but the VIP chicks is like "Who dat? How does he know everyone?"

Or you might be the dude that can make any group of people happy.

Or maybe, you want to spit game at a chick, and she's yours forever. She'll do anything for you, just to be around you. She'll bring other chicks to you. - i.e Pimp game.

That's what an intermediate game set of books would look like to me. And in my own life, I've only scratched the surface on most of those topics.

WIA

I'm with you on that Bill Clinton Barrack Obama type game shit.
My notch count hit triple digits years ago but would still consider myself intermediate at best.

(10-30-2016 12:01 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 10:44 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 09:41 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  The book I really want to write is for intermediate guys, and the book I want to read is how to become Barack Obama. That Bill Clinton level game

WIA

THIS! Too many of these books and advice is geared towards beginners. I don't blame them as I think it's fair to assume that these guys make up 90%+ of guys seeking advice on game. Most true intermediate and advanced level players are satisfied with their results.

Example: I banged 3 chicks, 2 7s 1 6.5 in the last 2 weeks. Most of my friends thinks that bad ass, but i'm not satisfied. I still feel my game is intermediate and i'm looking for ways to advance. I want to get to that level where game transcends opposite gender attraction, banging sarah at the bar etc. Something not to develop algorithms, but more to develop the advanced player mindset. Something like 48 laws of Power, but that's still based on a set of rules because someone else discovered it.

I think a book on creating mentalities that lead to something like Mode one, Bang, 48 laws of power is in order.

-CD

Part of the issue with getting better is defining better.

WIA

Food for thought here, will ponder over this.

-CD

Also looking for intermediate advice.. Like some of the other guys I don't have problems closing either and can get 6s and 7s consistently but those upper echelon types continue to escape me.

(10-29-2016 07:08 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(10-29-2016 04:44 PM)Wala Wrote:  WIA, I understand the concept you're emphasizing, about getting girls to emotionally react, but I'm having a hard time of coming up with ways to put it into practice. Although it could be due to my limited experience, most women I meet seem to be very disinterested and apathetic towards anything or anyone outside of their little bubble. The cold read makes sense and is one method I have incorporated but telling stories or jokes in a manner to elicit an emotional response seems difficult for me. Do you have any other examples of things you could say to get girls to react emotionally so that I could better understand how to use these techniques?

Off the top of my head

4 options
- cold read
- story
- joke
- non-verbal opener - a) eye contact and say nothing, b) eye contact and pick her up off the floor etc


Or are you asking a different question?

WIA

I understand the cold read. You tell a girl "You look like the type of girl that shops at ..." or whatever. It gets her to invest in the conversation. It's emotionally engaging. What I don't understand is how to do the same thing with telling stories and jokes. So instead of simply telling a story, how do you do it in a way thats emotionally engaging? Do you pause in the middle of the story and ask her a question to get her emotionally invested or what? I have been struggling trying to come up with examples of how to do this, which is why I was asking. And as a side note, I'm def looking forward to that book.

(10-27-2016 01:34 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Yeah I'm black. Just have zero experience with black women.

I've been overseas for close to 6 years.

What?!?!

Dude you have been missing out!

Sisters have the best bodies, the softest silkiest skin. Way less body hair. Natural big tits and firm bubble butts. Sexier voices. Sexier lips. Annnnnd they got the stamina that allows them to take the dick for hours!

Kirdiesel once you go black you may never go back!!!

Gotcha

1) joke/funny story

If the content of the joke is strong, then all she needs to do is hear it, and she laughs. The way all jokes work is that you have to buy in to the way the comedian thinks. Quite literally this is frame.

When she laughs, she's both accepting your view of reality and emotionally engaged.

One joke - joke is funny
3+ jokes - you are funny - you make her laugh - you are valuable

Thing is comedians rarely have top shelf bitches.

So the point with a good joke is after you tell it, you follow up with either an accusation or a cold read to get the engagement, to get the banter, to start some of the I'm a man/you're a woman vibe.

"You would laugh at something like that"

"No I'm not"

Which then leads into qualification.

2) stories

There is this really great recent Mystery lecture where he does this long story about the real history of the Titanic. It's basically a theory about how the ship that actually went down was a different ship, and that it was an insurance scam that went horribly wrong.

https://youtu.be/x_mN2fizzXg

This is the first part, it might be in the other three. His whole point on merge set is great intermediate game.

The point of the story in a performance context is through great telling of the story, you start to question what you think you know.

You're left with the idea, is this true?

But from a game perspective, you're the guy that tells these captivating and immersive stories - value.

Combine the two, questions in your mind + the person able to get you to think/feel - and she wants more from you, so she jumps on the validation funnel and tries to get you to give her more feelings.

From there the player is in this position where she's trying to get something from him, and he's holding it just out of reach.

She's engaged on an emotional level

I'll give you a third that I modified from that same speech

"Who sings that song..."

Sing the chorus from a song that's at least ten years old.

"I know you see it,I know you see it..eeny meeny"

Who sings that song, I love that song..

And when they sing a long with the chorus, they get transported back to ten years ago.
Emotional engagement. That's how all music works, and it primarily operates on a level deeper than language

Joke, story, music, cold read, accusation ...

Since this is the black dude post, if you're at the spot and an old school joint comes on, you can look a chick dead in the eye, with all seriousness, and start doing the Stanky Leg. Works the same way if you're standing right next to her.

Often times you can lead by example and she'll join you. Or for you dudes going after white chicks, you can teach her without saying a word.

The sky is the limit, you're not limited to "who lies more" etc.

If I were going to do the pet shop opener, I wouldn't deliver it earnestly. I'd deliver it with a look on my face, like I was up to something, like it was the start of some joke. I know her sub com would be like, I'm waiting for the punch line. I can play with that tension.

And that's where the game really is. It's messing with her mind, her expectations, and then putting her in a position where she is chasing you for more feelings, for more validation.

WIA

If the content of the joke isn't strong, then the delivery has to be awesome and frame has to be stronger than hers

WIA

Archie - I love your writing.

Remember - Game is sold, never told.

(10-31-2016 07:41 AM)Ogunn Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 01:34 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Yeah I'm black. Just have zero experience with black women.

I've been overseas for close to 6 years.

What?!?!

Dude you have been missing out!

Sisters have the best bodies, the softest silkiest skin. Way less body hair. Natural big tits and firm bubble butts. Sexier voices. Sexier lips. Annnnnd they got the stamina that allows them to take the dick for hours!

Kirdiesel once you go black you may never go back!!!

I believe you guys. I'm just so out of the loop. I'm literally gonna force myself when I get back to the US to head to the club one night and try to talk to some of them. Damn its going to feel weird. I really wonder

Ogunn.. but how come you are all about the Scandinavian girls these days?
Those are my favorites so I cant fault you

All 3 of my exes have been blonde blue eyed girls haha.

(10-31-2016 01:15 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 07:41 AM)Ogunn Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 01:34 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Yeah I'm black. Just have zero experience with black women.

I've been overseas for close to 6 years.

What?!?!

Dude you have been missing out!

Sisters have the best bodies, the softest silkiest skin. Way less body hair. Natural big tits and firm bubble butts. Sexier voices. Sexier lips. Annnnnd they got the stamina that allows them to take the dick for hours!

Kirdiesel once you go black you may never go back!!!

I believe you guys. I'm just so out of the loop. I'm literally gonna force myself when I get back to the US to head to the club one night and try to talk to some of them. Damn its going to feel weird. I really wonder

Ogunn.. but how come you are all about the Scandinavian girls these days?
Those are my favorites so I cant fault you

All 3 of my exes have been blonde blue eyed girls haha.

Kirdiesel most of my lays have been black, latin and Asian. Up until very recently (about 1 year ago) I wasnt even looking at white women. Then I started hanging out with the fitness community in Ft Lauderdale and started encountering all these white girls that do squats. And Oh LAWD squats do those booties good! It looks like pancake booty is out of style for now.

Around the same time I started meeting European women (Germans, Austrians, Scandis). I was taken aback at how down to earth, educated, worldly and sweet they all were. Not to mention the average European girl looks waaaaay better than the average American girl. All this made me realize I needed to start broadening my horizons.

Ogunn - that is funny.

I noticed over the last two years, girls have been squatting like their lives depending on it. I have heard at some gyms, you cannot get near a squat rack.

I had a week pass at a L.A fitness recently, girls were in there training hard. I actually got a little "bigger" from training and looking at the nice little bodies. These white girls are serious in the gym, now if only more black girls would train like them.

Seems like the booty, has taken over from the breasts.

I even trolled some girl recently, looked her dead in the face and asked her if she squats. I don't believe in negs, I was in a weird mood.

(10-31-2016 04:07 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  now if only more black girls would train like them.

Seems like the booty, has taken over from the breasts.

Yes indeed. I'm tired of the ongoing implications that black men don't like black women because many aren't attracted to obese women en masse.

This epidemic has skinny 3-5's thinking they're dimes because of increased demand, lol.

(10-31-2016 04:07 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Ogunn - that is funny.

I noticed over the last two years, girls have been squatting like their lives depending on it. I have heard at some gyms, you cannot get near a squat rack.

I had a week pass at a L.A fitness recently, girls were in there training hard. I actually got a little "bigger" from training and looking at the nice little bodies. These white girls are serious in the gym, now if only more black girls would train like them.

Seems like the booty, has taken over from the breasts.

I even trolled some girl recently, looked her dead in the face and asked her if she squats. I don't believe in negs, I was in a weird mood.

Yeah rudebwoy this phenomenon of white girls doing squats is turning out to be a very bootiful thing!!!

The only problem is that the gym rats usually arent club/bar rats. So outside of social circle or fitness events they can be hard to find en masse.

(10-31-2016 05:13 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  The only problem is that the gym rats usually arent club/bar rats. So outside of social circle or fitness events they can be hard to find en masse.

Must you meet them at the club though? Go to a fitness expo or some yoga convention and chat them up from there. Even chat them up at the gym if you go. I plugged a lizard from the gym some years ago, she later told me she was in admiration of my physique.

(11-01-2016 06:12 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 05:13 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  The only problem is that the gym rats usually arent club/bar rats. So outside of social circle or fitness events they can be hard to find en masse.

Must you meet them at the club though? Go to a fitness expo or some yoga convention and chat them up from there. Even chat them up at the gym if you go. I plugged a lizard from the gym some years ago, she later told me she was in admiration of my physique.

Moma dont get me wrong. As soon as got involved in the fitness community I plugged away. The only problem is through my association of some very well known people I have become well known. And since this is more of a social circle environment I have to tread lightly. I have already run into a situation were I was dating one girl that I knew through a gym. I know the owner of the gym and we have a lot of mutual friends.

I then started dating another girl that invited me to her run club. Little did I know the leader of the run club is good friends with the girl from the gym and she had mentioned me to him. This all comes out in conversation.

Needless to say I got busted, kind of. Girl #1 knew we were keeping it casual but she wasnt cool knowing were else I might be dipping. Girl #2 thinks that I must be playa and gets turned off.

The consensus is the best places to slay are away races and events were a lot of out of towers go to with the intention of getting up to no good.

Other than that a lot of these fitness chicks are trying to lock dudes down.

With any insular community, get to the top, and the chicks want to get next to you.

You're the king and she wants to be the queen, which means claiming her publicly and forsaking all others.

That's less than ideal.

Black Phillip time!

What kind of options can you give a girl?

WIA

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/c...li=BBoPJKU


You guys see who Prince Harry is possibly dating?

Can't throw a picture up as I am at work so maybe someone else can.

She is older, divorced and...black!!

Quite the looker as well

(11-03-2016 08:27 AM)Mentavious Wrote:  http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/c...li=BBoPJKU


You guys see who Prince Harry is possibly dating?

Can't throw a picture up as I am at work so maybe someone else can.

She is older, divorced and...black!!

Quite the looker as well

She's half white half black.

But good for her! I read some of the comments about it on Facebook and seems most people are supportive of it but of course some white racists had to come out say some dumb shit.

Meghan Markle been fine.
I'm wondering if this raises her stock even higher.

WIA

(11-01-2016 08:37 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  With any insular community, get to the top, and the chicks want to get next to you.

You're the king and she wants to be the queen, which means claiming her publicly and forsaking all others.

That's less than ideal.

Black Phillip time!

What kind of options can you give a girl?

WIA

WIA Getting to the top of the fitness community in SFL means keeping the muscles big, the abs ripped and coming in least top 10% at the races. My friends that are in that category have girls approaching them all the time!

I am aspiring to get to that level but I will never forget that I still need game to attract, seduce and maintain relationships with High Value women.

As far as what options I can give a girl? Right now I am focusing on building my business. So unless she is willing to help me build. I will have to keep it casual, with an open door to a possible LTR down the line once I am financially comfortable.

I am in pretty decent shape, for where I live I am above average.

I remember working out in a gym in Fort Lauderdale years back, the dudes there were next level.

Some guys had arms bigger than their waist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RprB011WQ1E

Dan Bilzerian speaks the truth on Larry King

This man understands how social dynamics work.

I died when he said he was the one being used though LOL

(11-03-2016 09:36 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I am in pretty decent shape, for where I live I am above average.

I remember working out in a gym in Fort Lauderdale years back, the dudes there were next level.

Some guys had arms bigger than their waist.

rudebwoy I know what you mean. There are some monstrosities in the gym these days.

But the new crop of fitness chicks arent impressed with guys that can just bench and deadlift a lot of weight but cant run 3 miles. These girls are doing crossfit, fitness bootcamps and trail runs.

A while back I was at a barbecue on Ft Lauderdale beach. One of the girls was stuck in standstill traffic 3 miles away. She got feed up with the long wait. She parked her car and ran to the BBQ. She ran there in 24 mins!

Alot of these girls are lioness and expect the guy they end up or hook up with to be a Lion!

Hanging out with this crew has def caused me to up my fitness game.