Who's in Krakow right now? I'll be there in a few days.

First time going to Poland, which city would you guys recommend me to: Warsaw, Krakow or Wroclaw? I'd slightly prefer cities with more things to do on a daily basis, since I will be staying for up to a month.

I live in Ireland but have exposure to a lot of EE girls from Poland through my work. I have heard it mentioned a lot that Poland is becoming more hostile to foreigners.

One cited an example of some German guy she knew of that got beaten up for being German, nothing else.

I heard Roosh mention he got in a street fight on one of his videos aswell. I never get into fist fights these days and it would concern me that I might not have a choice if Im jumped by some scumbag purely for the crime of not being from there.

Any of you guys having issues with this and have you seen an uptick in hostility like Im hearing from Polish people living here?

This is not really an issue, unless you answer at the provocations. Surely you have to be vigilant, but the rule is valid everywhere. Western Europe is way more dangerous, see Sweden for example, and mainly due to the "enrichment".

(02-25-2017 08:07 AM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  Who's in Krakow right now? I'll be there in a few days.

I am now, planning on staying the whole month in poland. You?

(02-27-2017 11:40 PM)Steve McQueen Wrote:  I live in Ireland but have exposure to a lot of EE girls from Poland through my work. I have heard it mentioned a lot that Poland is becoming more hostile to foreigners.

One cited an example of some German guy she knew of that got beaten up for being German, nothing else.

I heard Roosh mention he got in a street fight on one of his videos aswell. I never get into fist fights these days and it would concern me that I might not have a choice if Im jumped by some scumbag purely for the crime of not being from there.

Any of you guys having issues with this and have you seen an uptick in hostility like Im hearing from Polish people living here?

Im Polish and I can confirm that the situation changed massively since we have the right wing government. There is strong focus on patriotism and general negative attitude towards multiculturalism and that also extends to western countries(since you allowed things like feminism we consider you weak and stupid).
Also girls involved in erasmus guys are taking beating all over the internet and as we know it shapes general attitude in regard to non polish ppl and girls liking them.

I moved to Warsaw last year and I don't see any hostility towards foreigners. You still get a lot of attention if people hear you speaking English or any other foreign language in the public transport or malls but I never had any trouble. While there may be discrimination, people generally keep it to themselves and are not confrontational.

Small flats in the center with furniture from the stone age go for 600 euros a month or more. Expect to pay at least 800 euros for a decent looking flat.

The girls are a step down from Krakow and I find it much harder to meet girls that are 8+ due to poor logistics. The night life is spread out and it can take a long time to switch venues. It's very important that you have a plan before going out. However, the 6s and 7s are more flirty and open. They also think highly of Warsaw and consider it a big achievement to be able to live and work here while in Krakow most girls liked to complain about something. Overall I find them more easy going and fun.

I think overall in Poland: getting 6 and 7s is relatively easy.
Getting to 8+ is tough as anywhere else, you need a social circle
I find the neediness of guys here being next level, it is actually depressing, you can almost see them queuing to go on club dancefloor just to go there and screen for women.
Not much talents right now in Gdansk / Sopot. In fact day game might be a better option.

I don't understand some of the complaints on this thread. If guys were saying things like "Krakow is a pretty hard place to get a quality girlfriend", I'd understand. But people saying it's hard to get girls I don't. Nie rozumiem, as they say. My mate, Bojangles, has been here for 18 months and has bedded 85 girls. Eighty fucking five. And he's documented why he thinks those numbers are achievable here, even for guys who aren't good looking. The real problem it would seem is snagging a longer term girlfriend. As for me, I'm just looking forward to when the weather warms up and the pair of us can enjoy the spoils of the city of sluts. I also think learning Polish and making Polish friends is the way to go for longer term quality girls (they do exist - all the hot girls in work are married), or venturing out to other places in Poland that aren't so Westernized. Failing that, there's always a quick train to Ukraine!

Hahaha got you in that.
It all depends on your objectives after all
I don't like getting girls than everyone else can get easily (sluts)
My ideal is to have an abundance of hot AND interesting women at the same time. I think it is a pretty tough objective to reach anywhere ^^

Last summer I met a decent handful of girls I would consider were good LTR prospects, all except one eventually rejected me, and that one is my current gf of 7 months, good thing they did reject me cause she is way hotter than the rest of them The rejections I would say were also 100% necessary for me to learn how to take the right approach, the above article is pretty defeatist, there is absolutely a way out of that box he describes, but you have to really want it, and i dont get that vibe from reading the article otherwise the content would be geared differently, to for example, learning that new toned down approach he touches upon (maybe it is in his other posts I haven't obviously read anything besides that one). Mindset must be calibrated from "enjoy the spoils of the city of sluts" because they will, as the post so eloquently puts "Subconsciously or for some women consciously" throw you in that box.

Powodzenia, as they say!

He probably unconsciously putted himself in that box... why would like to have LTR with "sluts"?
To move from any kind of sexual relationship to a LTR, I think you have to GIVE to the girl in terms of value.
It can be just listening to hear, being interested in herself and, as long as you keep your edge, you can move to something more serious.
But to do that you have to feel that the girl is worth it... and for what I read here there is none of that.

(02-25-2017 07:55 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  In the last 2/3 weeks, we had again a total devastation of the nightlife. Especially Thursday, once pure gold, is nowadays dead and it is better if possible to schedule a date with girls in this day, instead of going for clubbing. And now Lent is coming, historically a bad period for the nightlife.
On Friday and Saturday there are a lot of people but in majority guys, especially foreigners desperate for pussy that will end the night empty hands. I came back recently in West and didn't observe this kind of situation that instead is hitting Krakow very badly.
In addition to this, in the klubs you can find large groups impossible to open (even if a girl is interested you will have 5/6 grilfriends that will protect her + often some additional Polish "guardian"), entitlement, bad attitude, harsh rejections. Nowadays if you are a foreigner, you have to definitely "date down", if for instance you are about 7, your life will be hard even with 6s, not even speaking about ONS. On the other end, my impression is that Polish girls still date down when it comes to local guys.
The signs of the deterioration are clear: you never see guys and girls that met in the night, going outside the klubs together, this was very common in Krakow in the past. Instead girls come back home always with girlfriends, or their group. It is getting rare to see people kissing in klub, this also was very common even one year ago.
This makes no longer sense to me and I have already planned plenty of weekend trips in other Polish cities and in West to escape from this horrible situation.

I went to Krakow myself a few months ago, and I've gamed in most of the US and a dozen other countries besides. Krakow was one of the hardest and most frustrating places I ever gamed. Warsaw was light years better.
That being said, do you have recommendations of other cities that are still good? How does Wroclaw compare? (to Krakow and Warsaw?) Wroclaw was at the top of my list but with my experience in Krakow, I really want to avoid cities like it in the future!

I don't think that Wroclaw is a lot different from Krakow. I suppose that it might be slightly better due to the German liberal influence vs. the hyper conservative mentality in Krakow. To remember that in the next months Ryanair will introduce low cost flights to Krakow from cities like Valencia, Naples, Athens, Marseille, Porto...hence you can imagine what kind of invasion there will be from mediterrean countries. Actually having an "exotic" and mediterrean look starts to be a strong disadvantage. The city is to avoid at all costs, and the numbers of this Bojangles or 1) are bullshit, 2) might be true only if he is banging girls low class, fatties, etc. I can see this kind of desperate foreigners for example in Teatro Cubano...they look like dogs and hunting really ALL girls. Myself I was recently in Northern Europe and the atmosphere was a lot better than in Krakow, but even in the US the situation of clubbing seemed to me better in terms of attitude.

See some conflicting things on this thread. Krakow is "the city of sluts" but at the same time hyper-conservative?

I've been in Krakow for a few weeks and banged 3 sluts but they were all 6s, plus a regular Ukrainian 7 with another slut lined up for tonight. Unless you have top shelf SMV you're not going to be getting easy sex from 8s and up. Even 7s for the most part. And lets face it, most guys that travel the world trying to bang women don't have top shelf SMV.

Giacomo you seem overly pessimistic. It's hard to take what you say seriously when everything you say is a long pessimistic rant. That being said, girls are flakey here for sure and with daygame its easy to get contacts but tough to get them out.

I personally never saw a foreigner with a girl above 7 in Krakow. If you walk in Rynek you can see plenty of couples where he is Spanish/Portuguese/Italian and she is Polish, usually the guy is better looking than the girl, they matched on Tinder.

I know a guy who is smashing new chicks nearly every week on Tinder, but they are manly 6s and 5s.

Maybe the exceptions to the rule are very good looking mediterrean guys who go to Teatro Cubano and pick up the rare 8s who are there (at max there are 2 or 3 of these pretty girls in Cubano), the other average foreigners go after every chick who just breathe.

Fact is for guys who come from places like US/UK where the average level of beauty is low a Polish 6 can be considered an 8 to their eyes.

As Gilles underlines you should reconsider the marks that you are assigning, since the "beauty" of girls might be variable based on the country in which you are spending most of the time. If you have been living for years in Ukraine or Poland then definitely your standards will rise sooner or later...
It is not pessimism but observation of the reality and comparison with the previous Poland (only 2/3 years ago the situation was good) as well as other locations even in Western and Northern Europe, which are not destination of thousands of horny foreigners every weekend. Will check out the situation on the baltic see soon in order to see whether this is a problem of Krakow or it can be extended to the North too.

I went to Krakow with 5 of my german friends in october 2016 for a weekend. I dont know if this reports is good here but I thought its too short for a new thread.

The city has loads of bars, restaurants and clubs, a huge young student population but also a lot of horny foreign tourists (english, mediterranien and turkish). I had the best comparison as my friends were only able to open in english and me in polish (speaking fluently).

Almost all clubs we went were literally death traps after after midnight, totally packed with a lot aggressively approaching foreign tourists and stressed bitchy polish girls. When my friends approached girls in english they received just a short quite unfriendly answer. I opened the girls in polish with "arent you annoyed by all these foreign men?" and they confirmed that.

Friday Night:
We went to Coco Music Club (worst tourist sausage fest with terrible ratios), Frantic and Shakers (both so packed that you had to queue 30min at the wardrobe). I was able to get the number of a cute 20yo 7 in Shakers after she eyefucked me on the dancefloor and realized that I am polish but raised in Germany (but this was sheer luck I guess).

Saturday Night:
We went to 2 bars with only polish students (unfortunately not in Kazimierz) were nothing happened. Afterwards we went to Teatro Cubano, my german friends did here a lot better here with the girls, as they were open to foreigners. I tried to teach an 8 to dance salsa but quickly found out that she had a polish boyfriend.

One German friend met there a 6 that he matched the previous day on Tinder and layed her that night (first they went to our apartment until the rest of our group arrived, then she felt like a slut they bounced to her place).

I also set up a date with a black girl from the UK from tinder at Teatro but she wasnt on time so I decided to get drunk and hit on everyone else as it was my last night there. I spotted a polish 6 on the dancefloor that eyefucked me. After a short dance and makeout on the dancefloor we went to the area with open seats and tables and continued drinking (not a good idea at all!).
Then the black girl arrived, wrote me a message that she spotted me "making out with another girl" and even directly came to our table asking me loudly "Are you Nauchty_Boy from Tinder?"

My drunk instincts told me best way is to stick to the 6 as I realized that she is sexually open psycho (she said some drunk bullshit like: "all my colleagues at work love me more than everyone else because I am such a nice and helpful person") whereas I had to start from scratch with the black girl from the UK. So I played dumb and said something in polish to the black chick an turned my head away (she then left).

The next moment I had a blackout from the drinks and found myself drinking water with the girl in a cool bar, I think it was Pauza? But I am not sure. I have no clue how we came there. Then I had the next blackout and found myself in the girls hallway. We then had sex on her mini bed and I woke up the next morning with a terrible hangover and tried to find my way back to the apartment.

Sunday:
We left the apartment and had a date with the 7 from Friday night. Just got a Kiss and then had to back to the airport

Conclusion: Nightgame is not recommendable for foreigners. I have no idea how about daygame. The Tinder results were also very bad for polish standards

This is a credible report therefore thanks for sharing your experience. I agree with your final thoughts. Nightlife is probably the worst in all Europe. About day game, girls are friendly and are likely to give you the number, but 90-95% of them aren't going to text back. This is a common pattern observed over various months and on a large scale. You have actually more chance with western girls coming to Krakow for vacation, last summer I was particulary successful but unfortunately you have only a small number of them in Krakow going out in the night. I would suggest pub crawls, I usually noticed many American and British girls, some of them not that bad. If you speak Polish AND you are a foreigner your advantage over other foreigners will be on the girls that dont speak English; if you are Polish you will always have a big advantage over the foreigners. I repeat, it seems absurd (even to me, sometimes I cannot believe to my eyes) if you are just reading but a even a foreigner wealthy, in a good shape, well dressed and with a good game will always have to struggle compared to an average Polish guy.

I got 4 contacts yesterday during the day. Three cute students and one married Milf. All texting back. All Polish. Not everyone's experience is the same as yours.

(03-30-2017 07:12 AM)GillesDeleuze Wrote:  I personally never saw a foreigner with a girl above 7 in Krakow. If you walk in Rynek you can see plenty of couples where he is Spanish/Portuguese/Italian and she is Polish, usually the guy is better looking than the girl, they matched on Tinder.

I know a guy who is smashing new chicks nearly every week on Tinder, but they are manly 6s and 5s.

Maybe the exceptions to the rule are very good looking mediterrean guys who go to Teatro Cubano and pick up the rare 8s who are there (at max there are 2 or 3 of these pretty girls in Cubano), the other average foreigners go after every chick who just breathe.

Fact is for guys who come from places like US/UK where the average level of beauty is low a Polish 6 can be considered an 8 to their eyes.

Second entirely these observations. I'll share my experiences about Tinder, since both on day and what we'll call pre-night game (stop, game, get contact, drop girls BEFORE they go "have fun" in some shitty club) you'll be able to acquire contacts and they may follow up, but the percentage of leads eventually converting is simply too mediocre, in my experience. Most of these students freak out about the chance to speak English (I guess even more Spanish?) but a good number just for the sake of this futile exercise... Personally, I've had pretty "good success" on Tinder, BUT quotation marks are totally necessary here since the quality was just mediocre most of the time with several caveats.

Had dates with more than a few bipolar / psycho chicks, certainly more than I cared to waste my time on and this was actually a bit surprising for me. A few turned out to be overly confrontational desperately trying to steer the convos on validation topics for them in a pathetic attempt to show some sort of "intellectual dominance" or something.

Some pretty tall chicks I matched with since I'm a pretty "visible" (for lack of a better word) dude myself IRL looked too fat or overweight for my taste. So dropped the ball pretty fast with both categories at least a dozen times out of respect for myself. With shorter girls I definitely had better luck in terms of sweeter personalities and attitude, for some mysterious reason.

Lays from prospects off Tinder rarely happened on 1st date, that's totally not an issue for me since I sort of knew already what "rules of engagement" I was gonna find and was well aware this isn't SA or SEA. Just be aware of this and plan accordingly if you decide to brave these shores.

For EE standards, even if you're normally very successful, just keep in mind you might likely match with at least some of these pathetic chicks as well. These girls are riding the carousel on their terms (or trying to..) and some have some SERIOUS personality issues / disorders so be prepared to acknowledge they might be the furthest thing from "the sweet Polish potentially wife/LTR-material" you were longing for. These latter women are more likely going to be found in z-tier villages of Poland, these days, not in any city populated by spoiled entitled princesses "getting an education in the best universities" and the usual bs.


@Naughty_Boy nice report, that's absolutely coherent with the current state of affairs in Krakow

@Giacomo Casanova followed this thread for a while and you're absolutely the most spot on about how much the city has degraded.

Im gonna say it, I feel like the people that complain about Krakow are just using tinder and nightgame. And if you are daygaming and not getting the results you want, you should also consider the crazy idea that you may also be at fault.

So what if they're just doing online/night game? They're still giving valuable info on using those methods in Krakow. I would bet that the majority of men wouldn't want to go to a city just to grind out some monotonous day game, when the nightlife is better and girls are easier to get with elsewhere.

As a serial night gamer who has never been to Krakow, but was planning to soon, I'm extremely disappointed by these reports of the decline of Krakow. Seemed like the perfect environment for me at one stage but looks like I missed the boat.

Are bars and clubs any good on weekdays? Maybe that might be a better option than Friday/Saturday?

(03-30-2017 03:08 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  Im gonna say it, I feel like the people that complain about Krakow are just using tinder and nightgame. And if you are daygaming and not getting the results you want, you should also consider the crazy idea that you may also be at fault.

With my hopes high it's gonna be helpful to others on this forum, I'll have to repeat I -for instance- rarely do night game "per se" since I find it extremely inefficient and yielding a relatively low ROI in Krakow.. I'd rather resort to day, pre-night and online. The kind of results anybody gets are simply based on the comparison with results in similar situations in other cities or countries, that in my personal case are a whole lot and I found Krakow pretty weak overall, especially considering the kind of hype it generally gets... With the kinds of personality / attitude issues I detailed in my previous post https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-4184-...pid1539533

And for a number of reasons most guys here elaborated on with sensible arguments I also have a more than opinionated feeling that Krakow is a city that delivers a relatively low bang for the buck. This is not to say "OMG you'll NEVER EVER get laid" and other doomsday prophecies when you have thousands of prospects studying in a number of universities. But for a serial player -or one with a large, ehm.. appetite- that might not be the best place.

And this might or might not depend on each person's skills or lack therof, but the environmental vibe cannot be underestimated.. Generally speaking an oversupply of tourists rarely brings benefits to a city both in terms of foreign value and local interest. In my experience Krakow is totally no exception, no matter the kind of approach or game you're using or how good you are: the ROI compared to other destinations, for instance minor cities, is probably going to be relatively low. As always YMMV.

Even daygame in Krakow is hard, numerous girls I approached with decent indirect openers they wouldn't even respond to the first line, completely ignoring you. If I approached a girl like that in the states they will at least give you a chance. It's fucking brutal there and wears at you. This is why I want to go to other polish cities where they give you a chance -- Warsaw was way better for me- there I had girls eying me all over, and they were receptive. In Krakow I felt like they were incredibly spoiled and jaded (probably because any hot girl there has been hit a million times and is hit on by a dozen foreigners every day, most of which are there for a weekend).

That is why I want more towns not like Krakow to go to - can anyone suggest good ones? I was thinking Wroclaw but I don't know where else... I'll be back there in a month! (And was last in Poland just a few months ago).