Post: #376

(05-06-2017 01:46 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 01:30 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  I don't know what that is supposed to demonstrate Merc, you are making a completely different point than Mage.

I've abstained from nearly all of those for that amount of time or longer, at one point or another, some permanently- and doing so involved zero medication or prayer. Millions do the same. Dozens of men in the wagon thread here alone.

Of course prayer and other forms meditation can often be helpful to some people in some ways, but it doesn't make flight possible or eliminate lyme disease.

Explain the placebo effect and why it documented in thousands of people worldwide every day.

I have no idea what point you are making, but I know that it doesn't refute or even address mine.

Is it your contention that sugar pills gets rid of ‎Chlamydia? Or are you just stating general truisms? Yes, the placebo effect is real- what does that have to do with the last few posts?

Post: #377

The placebo effect proves that it is posible for faith alone to cure an illness in a person provided they have the right mindset.

It's one of the biggest indicators of the power of belief/religion in curing yourself without any science.

Post: #378

You said you need prayer or medication or you will fail in kicking an addiction- I showed you why that's not true, you move on to next point like you weren't just wrong.

I say prayer doesn't make flight possible or cure Lyme disease, you make a general statement on the placebo effect.

This is the pattern of discussion with all conspiracy theorists-

-They make a claim
-Are shown it is false
-Either: A) Ignore and move on to next statement, or B) claim math and physics is fake

Post: #379

(05-06-2017 02:01 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  The placebo effect proves that it is posible for faith alone to cure an illness in a person provided they have the right mindset.

Ok fantastic.

Again, is it your contention that prayer alone cures Lyme disease and medicine is of no use or plays no part?

If you contracted Chlamydia would you pray, or decide to seek out some science?

Post: #380

(05-06-2017 02:08 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 02:01 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  The placebo effect proves that it is posible for faith alone to cure an illness in a person provided they have the right mindset.

Ok fantastic.

Again, is it your contention that prayer alone cures Lyme disease and medicine is of no use or plays no part?

If you contracted Chlamydia would you pray, or decide to seek out some science?

If a doctor gives 100 people fake pills to cure Lyme disease or Chlamydia, but 5 of those 100 get cured anyway...what happened ?

Post: #381

5 people had immune systems that were able to overcome the infection, that's what happened. Call it prayer, I'm fine with that.

If a doctor gives 100 people antibiotics to cure Lyme disease or Chlamydia, and 97 of those 100 get cured, what happened?

How are these two equal?

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Merc you are doing another Truther diversion. You haven't refuted the utility and factual nature of the sciences in any way, you never respond directly when challenged, you still haven't addressed what Mage said, you still haven't addressed what I said about addiction- you just do endless "well what about....." diversions.

Post: #382

At this point I think that Mercenary is just bored with Rvf.

Post: #383

I just realized I'm talking to a guy who believes in flat earth early on Saturday morning after spending an enjoyable evening out full of food and laughs. Lol, I am the fool in this scenario.

Post: #384

I came here to read about the earth being flat.

You derailing m'er f'ers need to go make a thread about curing AIDS with hardened sherbert and hang out there.

Some of us are planning cross-world boat voyages and are seeking vital information that will ensure we don't tumble off a waterfall and into the abyss of space. Lives are at stake, damnit.

Post: #385

What's weird is that these Flat Earthers think they are talking to guys who haven't directly experienced things that refute what they say.

I have myself sailed some distance on this planet.

But that will never matter to them, just like math and physics won't ever matter to them- because they have this strange defect in their reasoning which tells them that unless they experience something firsthand it is either likely a lie or unknowable.

Never mind that they can use science to figure these things out from the comfort of their home- which is of course precisely why they dismiss science at every turn, because it makes a clear and plain mockery of their ideas.

Post: #386

(05-06-2017 02:08 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 02:01 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  The placebo effect proves that it is posible for faith alone to cure an illness in a person provided they have the right mindset.

Ok fantastic.

Again, is it your contention that prayer alone cures Lyme disease and medicine is of no use or plays no part?

If you contracted Chlamydia would you pray, or decide to seek out some science?

The placebo effect is not manifested by prayer, because it affects atheists as well and barely anyone prayed in those studies.

There is not a divine intervention happening, but rather humans and their mental state healing themselves. Even mainstream doctors admit that positive mental attitude aids the healing process - sometimes even significantly, but it does not replace underlying facts.

And frankly even the placebo effect will one day be clearly shown in scientific terms when we have the technology to measure full mental patterns, vibration changes following thoughts etc. We are not able to calculate anything of that - but there are studies out there that prove that water reacts to human thought and language. This however is still only basic science. But who knows - we may one day be able to prove and measure a force permeating every living being and becoming stronger if that person becomes more in tune with it via contemplation or prayer. Still - the basic scientific facts would remain and could be repeated by exact repetition - just measured with more advanced technology.

And the Earth would still not be flat.

GlobalMan - I think that science is becoming so fucking manipulated in our times when they can state with a straight face that biological gender is a social construct - that many people have correctly begun to question the validity of many things. It becomes essentially an exercise in sifting through the real vs the manipulated since you can no longer trust those sheisters. The Global Warming scam is another example of political science and there are others covering the field of medicine. It stretches further down the line into food safety where toxic sweeteners or pesticide soaked GMOs have been declared safe for consumption despite massive tests existing that prove the opposite. After a time society starts to question everything - "What else have we been lied about?"

That shit happens when science is getting politicized and manipulated. They started it.

Post: #387

(05-06-2017 12:13 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 08:09 PM)Mage Wrote:  Science is not a religion.

In religion - you pray and then nothing happens.

In science - you do things properly and great things happen from flight to curing of illnesses. Or horrible things. Doesn't matter good or bad - but there is certainly cause and effect.

See the difference?

Try abstaining for 30 to 90 days from the most powerful addiction you have without any external help or medication (Examples: unhealthy foods, sugar, smoking, alchohol, sex, porn & mastubation) and then tell me how far you get.

After failing, try conquering it again with the help of prayer and religion. Any established religion.

Report back when you finally manage to hold out for 30 to 90 days, and then tell me again "You pray and then nothing happens."

That is not religion - that is spirituality and self discipline. Spirituality works and even more so if you understand what you are doing like a scientist. It can also work blindly if you approach with mere faith but then it is left for a chance to decide.

Try flying over an ocean without any man made craft with prayer alone and see how far you get. Or try to jump from a high building with prayer and faith alone and see what happens. Even Jesus refused to do that.

Placebo effect works and there is a scientific explanation for that - your organisms immune system works at maximum capacity when you are optimistic. Still as you yourself have pointed out - it is far too unreliable. Also all it can do is cure diseases - what about creating new materials, building higher buildings, creating faster modes of transportation, building planes and rockets to fly high, building submarines to descend deep, explaining the world around us with predictable certainty - placebo and faith cannot do that but science can.

As for many scientists being religious: 1.Mostly that was when everybody was religious or had to pretend to be to avoid social ostracism. 2.They may have believed in religion but they also believed in science, didn't consider science a religion and they believed in round earth.

Also like Zelscorpion pointed out with other words - what creates confusion is bogus science. There is bogus science just like there is bogus spiritual paths. Climate change, flat earth, sex being just a social construct, all of that is bogus science. However the way to recognize true science from a bogus science is not to condemn science in general but to learn actual science and practice real science to understand it. In the same way it can be said that while there are bogus spiritual paths the correct attitude is not to condemn all spirituality but to practice it and study it a lot to be able to distinguish valid spiritual paths from frauds and shams.

A person who has never had spiritual education is in the risk to get his mind blown by Scientology or Jehova's witnesses because he doesn't have a reference point to distinguish these cults from serious paths like Christianity or Buddhism.

Similarly a person who has no scientific education is in the risk to get his mind blown by theories of flat earth or climate change - because he doesn't know how legitimate science is conducted.

Post: #388

All of this will be dismissed and he'll be back with a space photo pulled from a conspiracy site saying "Isn't is strange that ________ ? In a round Earth it should in fact be ________ (according to my misinformation), but it's not in this photo"

Someone will say "Merc, this is perfectly normal and expected given the exposure of the image and the rotation at a speed of ____ (fill in math/science etc)"

He will not be able to address this fact, but will say "So science is never wrong and governments don't lie?"

Then on to a damning photo of Pierce Brosnan in The World Is Not Enough using a flat! map of the world, with the damning conclusion of people are drawing 2d circles on 2d items.

Post: #389

(05-06-2017 03:22 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  GlobalMan - I think that science is becoming so fucking manipulated in our times when they can state with a straight face that biological gender is a social construct - that many people have correctly begun to question the validity of many things. It becomes essentially an exercise in sifting through the real vs the manipulated since you can no longer trust those sheisters. The Global Warming scam is another example of political science and there are others covering the field of medicine. It stretches further down the line into food safety where toxic sweeteners or pesticide soaked GMOs have been declared safe for consumption despite massive tests existing that prove the opposite. After a time society starts to question everything - "What else have we been lied about?"

That shit happens when science is getting politicized and manipulated. They started it.

I don't think people should blindly trust anything- that is not what is necessary in order to know the fact of globe Earth.

Anyone can use math and physics and come to the conclusion. Hell you can be a relative dunce and just go on a plane or boat and prove this to yourself. No trust is needed at all.

Being open minded means open minded to all facts.

Saying your cat could be a microwave because it gets warm and has food inside is not questioning what you've been told, nor is it being "open minded"- it's covering your eyes and being ignorant to readily available unbaised facts.

Post: #390

< I agree. A lot of it is simply connected with common sense of what makes sense and is logical.

But still - I think that such theories like Flat-Earth get started because science is becoming ever more manipulated in our times. It is often used as a final statement of squashing dissent - "science is settled", "the science of gender studies is clear", "our feminist studies prove...." - no wonder that folk start spinning.

Post: #391

(05-06-2017 02:14 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 02:08 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 02:01 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  The placebo effect proves that it is posible for faith alone to cure an illness in a person provided they have the right mindset.

Ok fantastic.

Again, is it your contention that prayer alone cures Lyme disease and medicine is of no use or plays no part?

If you contracted Chlamydia would you pray, or decide to seek out some science?

If a doctor gives 100 people fake pills to cure Lyme disease or Chlamydia, but 5 of those 100 get cured anyway...what happened ?

Divine intervention?



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Dog is God spelled backwards. Coincidence? ...Me thinks not

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Post: #393

Why a barrier made of Ice? Why not rock? Or more firmament?

Is there anything under the ice, say a sea floor, or does the ice continue onto infinity? If there is a sea floor underneath the ice, how deep is it?

What caused the water to freeze at the edges of the FE and create the ice wall?

Post: #394

(05-10-2017 04:03 PM)Atomic Wrote:  What caused the water to freeze at the edges of the FE and create the ice wall?

Reptilians.

Post: #395

(05-10-2017 04:03 PM)Atomic Wrote:  Why a barrier made of Ice? Why not rock? Or more firmament?

Is there anything under the ice, say a sea floor, or does the ice continue onto infinity? If there is a sea floor underneath the ice, how deep is it?

What caused the water to freeze at the edges of the FE and create the ice wall?

The THEORY goes like this:

The ice "wall" just holds in all the water of the oceans of the world, so there's no way you can "fall" off the edge with a boat. You can climb on the ice but not sail over it. See photo below:



The actual firmament wall is supposed to be anywhere from 100km to 1000km away from the water edge.

Theories as to what's under the ice vary greatly. Some people claim somewhere there is a lost civilization that got destroyed by "climate change" and post photos of pyramid formations under the ice like these below:

Post: #396

(05-10-2017 04:36 PM)wi30 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 04:03 PM)Atomic Wrote:  What caused the water to freeze at the edges of the FE and create the ice wall?

Reptilians.

Post: #397

^^^

Or it could be that a circle is just a basic geometric shape found everywhere.

It could also be that Mercenary is a Word similar to Mercury which is also known as Hermes which is patron got of Hermenetic Occultism which means Mercenary is a Satanist.

Mercenary - repent before it is too late. Confess in your sins and accept Lord Jesus Christ as your savior or burn in Hell for all eternity.

Post: #398

No, Merc is probably right on the symbolism behind the NASA logo. Other modern scientific institutions like the JPL (founded by known satanist Parsons) have a very-well documented connection to that kind of crowd.

The issue is that high-skepticism but low-intellect people get railroaded from jumping points like the shady deeper culture of NASA into dead end dumb theories like flat earth.

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Post: #400

pretty cool segment with the aurora from space at 2:30 ^^^^