Post: #1

I've been on the fence about something for quite a bit of time. Recently had a new guy join the office. He's crazy effinimate but from what i gather isn't gay.

I don't trust effiminate men. Now, it doesn't matter if they're gay or straight just the entire act of being effiminate makes him difficult to peg and doubly i don't trust them.

The flipside being, i do trust and don't mind masculine qualities in girls (think Thatcher, Guillard, etc). In fact it's slightly refreshing working with them, they tend to give me the bottom line.

But throw an effeminate guy into the mix and I question how much i can trust him. Will he break under pressure? Will he attempt to act effeminate while trying to lead (doesn't work well)? Will he selectively leave things out in order to spin a situation differently?

These qualities just don't jive with me in a guy and since I can't peg his personality I just go for a dominate until submission which usually works.

Any experience for working with these people?

Post: #2

Make it seem like without you they won't have much fun without you or make them think you'll help them with a certain girl and you can get them into your orbit and keep them there, and they'll do pretty much anything you want, if you have the stomach to tolerate them...

Post: #3

Yes. It feels like they might stab you in the back at any point.

Post: #4

You have to bully, confront, and shit-test effeminate men to see if they respond well.
How do they respond to being commanded and yelled at? Do they have grace under pressure? If they do then their masculine demeanor is not relevant, they already outclass most people and can be trusted not to crack. You don't have to like him or be his friend, but you can still trust him.

One thing you have to understand is that not many people have this quality. So there's likely many people you've overlooked and have misplaced trust in, simply because of their demeanor.

That being said, most effeminate men are fairly weaselly, always overlooking relevant facts and being great spin-doctors. You pretty much have to accept nothing less than the direct facts stated plainly, question and reframe continuously.

Post: #5

(10-19-2013 06:29 PM)Hades Wrote:  You have to bully, confront, and shit-test effeminate men to see if they respond well.
How do they respond to being commanded and yelled at? Do they have grace under pressure? If they do then their masculine demeanor is not relevant, they already outclass most people and can be trusted not to crack. You don't have to like him or be his friend, but you can still trust him.

One thing you have to understand is that not many people have this quality. So there's likely many people you've overlooked and have misplaced trust in, simply because of their demeanor.

That being said, most effeminate men are fairly weaselly, always overlooking relevant facts and being great spin-doctors. You pretty much have to accept nothing less than the direct facts stated plainly, question and reframe continuously.

Thanks for the post.

It has to be his body language. I know a handful of effiminate gay dudes that are cool and I have no problem with them. However, these guys are clearly the exception and not the rule.

For me it's always trust. If i can at least trust you, then i'll be a friend. I'll keep this in mind. Thanks!

Post: #6

Effeminate men and Alphas get on as well as Julius Augustus Caesar and the Senate (Maybe just Brutus)

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Post: #8

I've seen things that make me question some of the conventional wisdom here.

The fact is, there are a lot these effeminate young guys about, they talk (they often up-talk) almost like you're not sure if they are gay, wave their hands about up near their chest while talking, but they are straight. And they have girlfriends. So there you go.

I'm sure they don't "lift", either.

Post: #9

I am glad you gave this thread a restart. What conventional wisdom are you talking about? Is it conventional wisdom as it relates to effeminate men?

I am not even sure I know what the conventional wisdom is.

If I were to pick what I agree with from this thread, it would be what Hades said:

Quote:That being said, most effeminate men are fairly weaselly, always overlooking relevant facts and being great spin-doctors. You pretty much have to accept nothing less than the direct facts stated plainly, question and reframe continuously.

Post: #10

Honestly, there are just as many men that this forum would consider to have masculine qualities that will stab you in the back, white knight, etc., as there are effeminate men that would do the same. It's just the way of the world today unfortunately, especially with the younger generation.

Post: #11

Sooooooooo many of these on college campuses.

Men who have many feminine and quite frankly lackluster qualities but are straight.

Gay voice, slouched posture, chubby/fat, cargo shorts, flip flops, gelled hair.

Granted masculine men can pull off some of these qualities, such as gelled/kempt hair:



But combine all of these traits and you have the common university man of the western world:



I call them 'femimen'.

I didn't notice them for what they are until I swallowed the red pill. Now that I see it, it's both laughable and annoying. They're everywhere. At least it gives me a strong desire to stand out.

Post: #12

It's becoming revolutionary to be a traditional, congruent, masculine man.

Post: #13

(12-12-2015 02:40 PM)Kieran Wrote:  Honestly, there are just as many men that this forum would consider to have masculine qualities that will stab you in the back, white knight, etc., as there are effeminate men that would do the same. It's just the way of the world today unfortunately, especially with the younger generation.

This is true enough, and that is what makes it difficult to figure out if there rules that can be formulated about effeminacy in general.

If a normal guy turns out the be a backstabber, or his word means nothing, you feel as if he is being hypocritical, and not living up to the image he is portraying, whereas it is far less surprising coming from an effeminate man.

Even if it turns out there is not a consistent set of traits these men embody, the fact is, they make my skin crawl, and that reaction belongs more to intuition or gut instinct, which I always follow.

Something is up with them, even if I cannot as yet articulate it.

Post: #14

Quote:I am glad you gave this thread a restart. What conventional wisdom are you talking about?

You know, the "be more masculine" stuff, like lift weights, get strong/big, etc. However, it seems like if the culture redefines what it is to trendy/cool as wearing super skinny jeans that look like tights, hipstery glasses, and talking with a lisp, then girls will go for that.

Maybe there are just various subcultures that attract certain types. Urban/artsy chicks will go for these guys.

Post: #15

I suggest just leading by example. When girly guys around you see you getting the ass they aren't they might rethink their conditioning. This is actually an example of where the knowledge and principles espoused on RVF can be "weaponized" in the battle for societal good

I'm 45 and have lived in the same house for 15 years. During that time I've watched a neighbor's, two doors down, son grow from a 7 yo kid to a 22 yo 6'4" good looking college graduate. His dad is a nice guy and successful MD but physically unable to do much becasue of back and knee issues. Over the years the kid and I used to play basketball, paintball, surfed, etc. He was always a bit geeky and a touch on the effeminate side

Before college he was sent away to an all male military academy which was great for his discipline issues...but bad for gaming chicks.

Over the years he's seen so many chicks at my place either hanging out or leaving that inevitably he starts asking questions about women (his dad is a nice guy guy but been married for 30 years).

He was still a bit wussyish when he left for college...but hey he was 18. After his first major breakup (she cheated on him) in college he came home literally crying. When I found out what happened I sat him down on my patio and over beers consoled him a bit, then challenged him to go get "revenge pussy" and forget the other chick. I promised him that it was best way to get over the cheating slut of an ex. the He went back to school and soon banged a chick, then another, and another. He's not a wussy anymore. He's graduated college and back living with his parents while he works and prepares to go to medical school and follow in his dad's footsteps. I'm proud to say that almost every time I see him with a new chick or he sees one with me we exchange a quick knowing nod and a smirk.

He recently brought a couple of his neighborhood childhood buddies over and we shot the shit and talked about chicks over scotch and cigars. One of the guys who's 22 and was raised by a single mom, had his eyes opened as I gave him a play by play about why his faux-hawk, tank top, earring wearing, feminist "style" was netting him zero pussy. The other two just sat there listening, nodding and taking it in

My neighbor kid yesterday dropped off a Xmas card (attached) that reads:

"Dear PT
I have been neighbors with you for a very long time now and I just figured it was time to tell you how much your friendship and neighborly deeds mean to me and my family. You have by far been the best neighbor and supportive friend throughout my childhood until now.Whether that be taking me paintballing for my 15th birthday' playing airsoft in the alley,playing basketball, or comforting me when I was dealing with a hard breakup. I just want to formally thank you and let you know how appreciative my family is and especially me for all you do. Merry Christmas and a happy prosperous New Year to you!

Sincerely

Will"

I just warms my heart that my experiences and knowledge have helped this kid on a better path. And the RVF can actually make the world a tiny bit better...one plundered pussy at a time

Post: #16

I'm thinking we should call them "Beta Cuckfags".

If you just go into a coffeeshop near a college campus you can't help but be appalled.



And yet you'll see that cute girls are talking to them.



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Post: #17

Sadly, that's par for the course nowadays. Most guys have become acculturated to adopt metrosexual or effeminate mannerisms like:

*Uptalking

*Bitchy, catty behavior to other guys

*Chronic white-knighting

*Excessive fear of physical contact with other men (I'm sorry, but squeamishness about touching or tussling with other guys is a warning sign)

*Inability to talk about sexual encounters with women

*Not drinking (I'm sorry, but I don't like this "no drinking" bullshit. People with real alcohol issues get a pass, but no one else)

Not much you can do about it except avoid them. Of course, give people a chance. But if you're getting bad vibes, write them off and move on.

Post: #18

(01-31-2017 07:51 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  *Inability to talk about sexual encounters with women

Agreed, but the opposite is effeminate too when it is done as approval seeking

(01-31-2017 07:51 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  *Not drinking (I'm sorry, but I don't like this "no drinking" bullshit. People with real alcohol issues get a pass, but no one else)

Trump

Otherwise, an excellent list