Back on the online dating hunt.

Actually got a Japanese model for the last week, banged her last two weekends including her ass and spent a good amount of time with her. Guess what happened next? Didn't response to a message on text. Checked her online account and guess what she blocked me. This is a girl I fucked about 6 times just gone ghost. Not sure who else she's been fucking last two days considering she's on her period.

Welcome to the online where girls play you to an inch of your life.

To add to the misery had a short Chinese girl on a date tonight - who was clearly dressed for sex with her breasts in full display - who fucked off after one drink.

The date is fresh in my mind here is what didn't go right:
1) Turns out the location for meeting was only 5 minutes away from her by train. Low investment on her part which is never good. "If it doesn't go well I'll just head home".
2) The bar only had a table where we were sitting facing each other. Not good for kino and not good as she will look at every part of your mannerisms looking to disqualify you from her vagina, rather than feeling the masculinity of your voice as you sit and whisper in her ear next to her.
3) I didn't look at my best while she looked like she spent hours on her hair and the whole day getting prepared. I get my best results coming straight after haircut. It's a bit fucking hard though when you're working all day coming home and have less than an hour to head out including eating.
4) She's been on a thousand dates and in her late 20s and nothing was getting through her. By this stage they become ruthless cunts.
5) She asked me before the date if I we were going to eat on the date too. I gave her a resounding no. She laughed it off but this was a clear warning flag as any.

Previous 5 girls I got home on first date and I fucked a model for the last two weekends. Add to that the fact that I sent her a selfie before the date and she told me I look handsome.

So maybe we should just consider that she's really stupid instead, but this is what low investment and a million options does to girls if they're not sure they'll fuck off and not give you a chance.

I realise my posts are between online being the salvation of the human race for sex and then how shit it truly is with the unlimited supply of cock. That's what game is, a bunch of very high peaks with lows of a 5 feet Chinese girls and an ugly Welsh girl suddenly rejecting you. I'm still learning from every rejection and optimising.

(08-16-2016 04:06 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  Back on the online dating hunt.

Actually got a Japanese model for the last week, banged her last two weekends including her ass and spent a good amount of time with her. Guess what happened next? Didn't response to a message on text. Checked her online account and guess what she blocked me. This is a girl I fucked about 6 times just gone ghost. Not sure who else she's been fucking last two days considering she's on her period.

Welcome to the online where girls play you to an inch of your life.

To add to the misery had a short Chinese girl on a date tonight - who was clearly dressed for sex with her breasts in full display - who fucked off after one drink.

The date is fresh in my mind here is what didn't go right:
1) Turns out the location for meeting was only 5 minutes away from her by train. Low investment on her part which is never good. "If it doesn't go well I'll just head home".
2) The bar only had a table where we were sitting facing each other. Not good for kino and not good as she will look at every part of your mannerisms looking to disqualify you from her vagina, rather than feeling the masculinity of your voice as you sit and whisper in her ear next to her.
3) I didn't look at my best while she looked like she spent hours on her hair and the whole day getting prepared. I get my best results coming straight after haircut. It's a bit fucking hard though when you're working all day coming home and have less than an hour to head out including eating.
4) She's been on a thousand dates and in her late 20s and nothing was getting through her. By this stage they become ruthless cunts.
5) She asked me before the date if I we were going to eat on the date too. I gave her a resounding no. She laughed it off but this was a clear warning flag as any.

Previous 5 girls I got home on first date and I fucked a model for the last two weekends. Add to that the fact that I sent her a selfie before the date and she told me I look handsome.

So maybe we should just consider that she's really stupid instead, but this is what low investment and a million options does to girls if they're not sure they'll fuck off and not give you a chance.

I realise my posts are between online being the salvation of the human race for sex and then how shit it truly is with the unlimited supply of cock. That's what game is, a bunch of very high peaks with lows of a 5 feet Chinese girls and an ugly Welsh girl suddenly rejecting you. I'm still learning from every rejection and optimising.

Banged a model! Good work as always, Vincent.

Rejection is part of the game. Had a date two weekends ago where the chick (this 45 year old; I've banged better looking slump busters) rejected me with a "we should probably just be friends". Kudos for her honesty, but this was after I had met her at another location, invited her into my car, and drove to a scenic spot on the coast. I thought it was game on. I drove her back to her car immediately.

I've been taking a little break from online as the last girl was a stage-5 clinger. Had fucked her twice. She found out my real location (which I never disclose to them) and started harassing and threatening me via text, via voicemail, and even found my businesses's website and was emailing me through that! Eventually had to go to the police when she said she was going to do damage to my business and livelihood. All this because she discovered my real location after I had went ghost. Three dates and she thinks we're married or something.

Internet dating is just not worth the grind to me anymore. I'm no longer meeting the calibre of women I was meeting 2-3 years ago. It's honestly exhausting - and I've a pretty high SMV (30s, about a 7.5 in looks, no baggage, in shape, self-employed).

What kinds of pictures do you guys have that seem successful? More importantly how did you get them?

I made a new OKC account for traveling abroad. Going to Colombia next month and looking to pipeline with OKC/Tinder and would like to get some fresh pics. Do you guys use selfies? If so how many? Is paying a photography really the way to go here?

(08-16-2016 11:24 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  What kinds of pictures do you guys have that seem successful? More importantly how did you get them?

I made a new OKC account for traveling abroad. Going to Colombia next month and looking to pipeline with OKC/Tinder and would like to get some fresh pics. Do you guys use selfies? If so how many? Is paying a photography really the way to go here?

They've done studies. The best type of pics for men are semi-smiling and looking away from the camera. Pics with animals, particularly dogs are very successful too. No selfies, no mirror shots, no cheesy smiles, no looking directly into the camera.

(08-16-2016 11:24 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  What kinds of pictures do you guys have that seem successful? More importantly how did you get them?

I made a new OKC account for traveling abroad. Going to Colombia next month and looking to pipeline with OKC/Tinder and would like to get some fresh pics. Do you guys use selfies? If so how many? Is paying a photography really the way to go here?

There's an excellent thread on this topic.

^ I know but I figured it would make more sense to see what is working currently for the guys actively posting in this thread using online game. I'm sure there are guys in this thread that didn't spend hundreds of dollars hiring a photographer like blurredsevens suggests who still have successful pictures. Just want to see what is working for others.

(08-17-2016 02:31 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  ^ I know but I figured it would make more sense to see what is working currently for the guys actively posting in this thread using online game. I'm sure there are guys in this thread that didn't spend hundreds of dollars hiring a photographer like blurredsevens suggests who still have successful pictures. Just want to see what is working for others.

I'm a decent photographer with a nice camera and lenses. I've started teaching my oldest son photography and will have him practice on me when I'm feeling really good and dressed nice in a cool location, little does he know he's taking my online dating profile pics. I'd be happy to take some photos for you.

That would be pretty rad man I'd buy ya dinner and a drink

^I disagree vehemently with the idea that professional pics are the way to go for online dating.

When you see a girl with professional photos, what thoughts run through your head?

Why does she have to try so hard?
Does she not have any friends to take pics with?
Is she a narcissistic attention whore?
She probably looks much worse in person.

What makes you think girls wouldn't have similar hangups about you and your professional photos?

And don't tell me they're not giving it that much thought, because it doesn't require any thought for them. A girl's "loser detector" is instinctive and far more sensitive than any of ours.

(08-17-2016 08:22 PM)Delta Wrote:  ^I disagree vehemently with the idea that professional pics are the way to go for online dating.

When you see a girl with professional photos, what thoughts run through your head?

Why does she have to try so hard?
Does she not have any friends to take pics with?
Is she a narcissistic attention whore?
She probably looks much worse in person.

What makes you think girls wouldn't have similar hangups about you and your professional photos?

And don't tell me they're not giving it that much thought, because it doesn't require any thought for them. A girl's "loser detector" is instinctive and far more sensitive than any of ours.

Did you actually read the thread and how many women have you actually fucked with game? A nearly perfect quote from the thread I linked. The sections in bold are referencing both why good pictures are important and why your statement is idiotic. Women are by and large not logical/analytical like men. My emphasis:

Quote:The vast majority of guys doing online game fail to understand that girls are EMOTIONAL creatures. Girls respond to emotional stimuli and with online dating, that stimuli is visual. Online dating is NOT your canned opener, your witty profile, your age, your location, or whether you have a six-pack. It’s whether or not the girl FEELS something when she first sees you.

To get girls online, you need to stimulate them visually. You need to hook them with an interesting image. NOT an image of you doing something interesting, but a photo of you that is itself interesting.

That is the key difference.

It's *very* different than saying you need to be attractive. Being attractive is great, but nothing trumps a photograph that evokes an emotion, and you don't need to be attractive to do that.

Nothing in your beloved quote even references professional photos, which was the subject of my post. I'm saying that photos obviously done by a professional photographer, with that staged, airbrushed look, raise red flags left and right on an instinctual level. I'm not denying the importance of good/interesting pictures. They can be achieved without professional photography.

(08-16-2016 04:06 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  Back on the online dating hunt.

Actually got a Japanese model for the last week, banged her last two weekends including her ass and spent a good amount of time with her. Guess what happened next? Didn't response to a message on text. Checked her online account and guess what she blocked me. This is a girl I fucked about 6 times just gone ghost. Not sure who else she's been fucking last two days considering she's on her period.

Welcome to the online where girls play you to an inch of your life.

To add to the misery had a short Chinese girl on a date tonight - who was clearly dressed for sex with her breasts in full display - who fucked off after one drink.

The date is fresh in my mind here is what didn't go right:
1) Turns out the location for meeting was only 5 minutes away from her by train. Low investment on her part which is never good. "If it doesn't go well I'll just head home".
2) The bar only had a table where we were sitting facing each other. Not good for kino and not good as she will look at every part of your mannerisms looking to disqualify you from her vagina, rather than feeling the masculinity of your voice as you sit and whisper in her ear next to her.
3) I didn't look at my best while she looked like she spent hours on her hair and the whole day getting prepared. I get my best results coming straight after haircut. It's a bit fucking hard though when you're working all day coming home and have less than an hour to head out including eating.
4) She's been on a thousand dates and in her late 20s and nothing was getting through her. By this stage they become ruthless cunts.
5) She asked me before the date if I we were going to eat on the date too. I gave her a resounding no. She laughed it off but this was a clear warning flag as any.

Previous 5 girls I got home on first date and I fucked a model for the last two weekends. Add to that the fact that I sent her a selfie before the date and she told me I look handsome.

So maybe we should just consider that she's really stupid instead, but this is what low investment and a million options does to girls if they're not sure they'll fuck off and not give you a chance.

I realise my posts are between online being the salvation of the human race for sex and then how shit it truly is with the unlimited supply of cock. That's what game is, a bunch of very high peaks with lows of a 5 feet Chinese girls and an ugly Welsh girl suddenly rejecting you. I'm still learning from every rejection and optimising.

Sobering post but at least you are meeting women from OKC and even models.

I have to say that out of all the online dating sites/ apps, OKC has been the most barren for me by far. I have been on the site for years but I have only met 2 women. I put it down to being in the UK, but it seems that OKC is working out for you.

As for the post-sex/ post-buggery flaking, it sounds really shocking. When I got into PUA back in 2007, the belief was that after sex, the chances of flaking became very slim but things have changed. It is like it is now impossible to consummate a bond sexually any more which should be worrying for men seeking longterm relationships.

(08-17-2016 02:31 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  ^ I know but I figured it would make more sense to see what is working currently for the guys actively posting in this thread using online game. I'm sure there are guys in this thread that didn't spend hundreds of dollars hiring a photographer like blurredsevens suggests who still have successful pictures. Just want to see what is working for others.

Ive been lazy and put off getting the pro shots, but using my phone or P&S with a micro tripod and the self timer has gotten me some ok pics. Or Ill take a video and pull a frame for an action shot. Im tall and fit with decent stats, and they've been working well enough so far but I really want to see if there will be a difference with even a couple pro shots mixed in. Also depends on your area too. Where Im at you're losing market share if you don't have a couple hiking related pics.

1. Wedding shot, suited up looking at camera, no smile
2. Playing dead on top of a mountain
3. B&W of me clapping my hands together (chalk cloud) in the squat rack
4. Shooting range
5. Shirtless at the lake
6. Me in a hammock at the lake

Had the most busy okcupid week ever last week, lining up dates on Wednesday, thursday and friday. It's as if it fel into my lap.

Went out with a 29 year old on wednesday. Had a good time tho it will take a while to get teh bang. Still keeping in touch with her.

Thursday, I went out with a potential sif (i had my suspicions) but who still had cute enough of a face. It turned out I wasn't wrong, so I broke my intermittent fasting for the day by taking her to a pizza & beer pub after our coffee as she looked like she could eat...working on my interaction skills at least.

And then out of nowhere on Friday, a 21 year old athletic girl messages me with a "Hi " who I had a good exchange with 2 weeks ago, but who lived an hour away at a college. She wanted to come down and go out in the city and asked if she would have a place to stay if she gets drunk. Told her, no problem. Ended up fucking her a total of 5 times from Friday night to Saturday noon. She plans on coming back down here for the weekend and will go climbing on a climbing wall (she is a avid climber).

(08-06-2016 08:05 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 05:17 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  Online dating is as unpredictable as fuck and so are women in general on dates. I could bang a hot 19 year old on one date and get rejected by a chubby 28 year old the next. That's how it goes.

Do you pay any attention to the "matches into my age" setting when sending messages?

One issue I have is that the girls around here on OKC seem to be really restrictive on the ages they'll accept. If a girl is say 23 it's pretty common that the only ages she says she'll accept are 19-26. If she's 27 then it's common that she's only looking for 22-30. Almost all girls in their 20s or early 30s put their hard cutoff at 36.

The girls in their early to mid 20s who set their spread at 18-40 usually strike me as big time time attention-whores.

Good catch. I've noticed that ALL girsl I ended up meeting were girls with a age setting of whatever-their-age is (I.E. 21) till 30. I'm 31, passing off as a 29 year old currently. The two 21 years olds I met had 21-30.

The 21 year old who has a 'looking for men 18-26' setting are usually too immature and possible attention whores. Unless you smoke pot and have gauged ears with tattoo's, you're not getting anywhere with them.

^ Glad at least one of them panned out. It's funny how sometime lays just come out of the blue like that.

I essentially gave up the site for the month of August. I'd been at it pretty steadily for a year and needed a break. I got one new lay out of it in early July when there seemed to be a big upswing in the number of new users.

Logged into the site a couple days ago and spent about an hour looking at 20-35 in a 50 mile radius that match into my age. Again at this point I don't see much of note except a lot of faces I've seen forever, and some new girls I wouldn't want to message. Probably around 80% of the girls under "Who's New" are fat and/or ugly.

Received a couple of unsolicited messages from "girls", one 28 and one 41. I managed to get both their numbers and move them to text, but they were wishy-washy when I pitched meeting this weekend and both eventually ghosted. So much for that "girls who message you first are sure things" business...

Quote:Good catch. I've noticed that ALL girsl I ended up meeting were girls with a age setting of whatever-their-age is (I.E. 21) till 30. I'm 31, passing off as a 29 year old currently. The two 21 years olds I met had 21-30.

The 21 year old who has a 'looking for men 18-26' setting are usually too immature and possible attention whores. Unless you smoke pot and have gauged ears with tattoo's, you're not getting anywhere with them.

Yeah. I'm 37 and though people have told me I look younger, I think I'd have a hard time pulling off 29. Most of the chicks I meet are between 27 and 35; I think the youngest I ever banged in recent history was 26.

It'd certainly be great if I'd gotten into it earlier - my demographic can be a real pain in the ass. Unfortunately just about any 21 year old who openly claims to be looking for men 35+ is either attention-whoring, an actual whore, or fucked in the head.

For older guys, I think banging a girl in her early 20s is much more likely from a real-life approach.

^^ I've just turned 38, and when I put my real age down on these dating sites we all know what happens. Messages from the undateables, the girls in my own demographic, the beta-hunters fresh off the carousel. I lie about my age all the time (I could pass for 30. I don't look my age). No way am I limiting myself to the hardest girls to game in the sexual marketplace. Fuck 'em!

P.S. I'm taking a break from all these shenanigans. Haven't been on a date in weeks. Exhausted with it all now.

Fired up OKC recently after taking a long break which I have mentioned before a few times. I wanted to see what the landscape was like after a good hiatus and with a fresh perspective.

Disaster zone doesn't even begin to describe it.

1. Tons of the same faces. WITH THE SAME DAMN PHOTOS FROM LAST YEAR AND YEARS BEFORE!

2. A good amount of chicks saying in their profiles: "Don't contact me if you are voting for Trump."

3. Barely any talent above a 6.

4. Big drop in active users.

Within 2 days, I actually had 4-5 girls contact me first. All in the 3-5 range and with about as much personality as dry paint based on their profiles. Browsed for a bit and messaged the very few decent looking chicks and only one replied. She asked if I was part of a particular political party (the fuck?) and then ghosted.

Got a few MILFs numbers (MILFs are a better bet online than the young crowd honestly in many respects; the young crowd is a fucking joke - it's like SJW reject central). Talked to one MILF on the phone for shits and giggles and she was very down to meet. However, she talked a bit too much about her past online dating history and how she cockblocked guys running standard game. I ain't wasting time on an older bitch who has an inflated sense of worth and might put up some bullshit resistance. Fuck that shit.

Could I get the bang? Of course. But the cost/benefit just isn't there given other options.

All I could keep thinking about since coming back to the site was:

1. I could cut through this online bullshit and go day game and get better quality in under an hour. Even if I didn't get a number, I'd enjoy the process a lot more.

2. I could get on a plane right now, get out of the US, and be swimming in good pussy. Half a day and a few benjamins. That's all it takes. I rather focus on making money to travel (or doing about a thousand other things) than browsing through the dating garbage dump. Sifting through online trash is depressing.

After a few days, I disabled my account.

I think that's a wrap for me and OKC for good (in my current area, at least).

I don't see why anyone would use any platform but Tinder. Everything else has gone to shit. Even Tinder has, compared with a couple of years ago.

I'm wondering what the next big thing will be.

(08-26-2016 12:16 PM)corsega Wrote:  I don't see why anyone would use any platform but Tinder. Everything else has gone to shit. Even Tinder has, compared with a couple of years ago.

I'm wondering what the next big thing will be.

It goes through cycles. There was a big upswing in new users around here at the beginning of the summer - I got a lay from that. Checking it out again the past couple days, it's the same old faces once again.

Overall it's been fairly consistent for me, except last winter when it was extremely dead. Since then, it's been about one new lay a month, without having to put in a huge amount of effort. Pretty much just hitting up girls who "visit" my profile, or "like" me. August will be the first month since the winter it didn't happen, but I was taking a break and put in almost zero effort.

I don't love it, but I won't sniff at it. My guess is that I wouldn't do as well on Tinder at my age.

(08-26-2016 04:24 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  2. A good amount of chicks saying in their profiles: "Don't contact me if you are voting for Trump."

Start banging, and right before she pops, put on a Pepe mask.

(08-26-2016 04:24 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  All I could keep thinking about since coming back to the site was:

1. I could cut through this online bullshit and go day game and get better quality in under an hour. Even if I didn't get a number, I'd enjoy the process a lot more.

2. I could get on a plane right now, get out of the US, and be swimming in good pussy. Half a day and a few benjamins. That's all it takes. I rather focus on making money to travel (or doing about a thousand other things) than browsing through the dating garbage dump. Sifting through online trash is depressing.

After a few days, I disabled my account.

I think that's a wrap for me and OKC for good (in my current area, at least).

x2

I live in what should be a pretty solid area for OKC and I would guess 80% of the women between 18-25 have odd colored hair, ridiculous over the top tattoos, or are ball busting feminists. What was great in the distant past is that the only girls who would bother creating an account are lonely ones who actually wanted to meet up. Now these sites are flooded with attention whores which makes the cost/benefit so much worse unless you can generate a lot of passive interest with your pics.

It seems to me that the top tier women have migrated to instagram and have now become full time status whores. You can't really fake it until you make it anymore. I think we will have to have unique social value to draw in the better women from here on out. Having an average lifestyle just doesn't cut it with young attractive women these days. If they don't want you for your lifestyle you become just another message in the inbox. She has no reason to chase after you once you pull away.

Tinder is getting close to as bad. Considering near all the young girls flake and/or aren't serious, it probably is already. Bumble has a chance, just because most are better looking, but still, it's the IG whore show for the youngies, and the wall show for the 29-30+

I'll see you boys in [central america]. (-:

(08-26-2016 12:16 PM)corsega Wrote:  I don't see why anyone would use any platform but Tinder. Everything else has gone to shit. Even Tinder has, compared with a couple of years ago.

I'm wondering what the next big thing will be.

Yea its really not a good time right now. There is nothing in the horizon to replace Tinder while all the other apps are sucking hard and at the same time tinder keeps getting worse and worse.

I really didn't appreciate their new update where they block my fake GPS use. Not to sound like a depressive downer cause i am not but all this decline in online dating has not translated into an uptick in the real world. Meaning, its not like bars/clubs or w/e have ticked up in women looking to meet men. The equation just doesn't add up lol. People keep saying Instagram has taken a huge slice but i just don't see it.


In terms of predicting the next big thing, I think it has to be VR goggles and the opportunities associated with them. I could see dating moving towards that direction among many things.

So does this mean the 80/20 rule is shifting upwards to 90/10 or 95/5 ?