Got another girl's number on the site on Monday from about 20 miles south of me. She seemed enthusiastic and even asked me when I was free, but once I started texting with her she was taking forever to respond. A three text "conversation" and pitching the meet took the better part of two days.

She says she's willing to meet up this weekend, but I'm probably gonna ghost on this one. Her main pictures looked too professional as well, so my guess is that it's going to be a piplinging serial dater or a no-show.

I think just about every girl it's worked out with has replied to my first text in under an hour; 7 is absurd.

Last girl I met on this website was a first date lay. I'm not sure if I should get back on this or leave it as is to remember it as a good memory rather than trawling through tattooed fatties that no one would touch with someone else's. I've tried POF recently and it's truly the bottom of the barrel and even worse as I expected. Actually the worst thing about POF is how bad the website is, it's fucking terrible - not been redesigned since its inception. No wonder that thread barely pops up on here.

I'm thinking about going back to OKC. I stopped using it after it wasn't producing dates for me, but Tinder has dried up too. I went through 36 girls in the 23-28 age range and categorized them as:

Hot - 3
Cute - 12
Plain - 7
Weirdo - 2
Ugly - 6
Fat - 6

So maybe it's worth giving it another try. I live in an area where weirdos really stand out with their green hairs, but apparently they're not that many in my sample.

My conspiracy theory is that one bitch got really mad at me for drinking her expensive wine and then telling her that I'm not interested in her, so she reported me to Tinder. Haha, dunno.

(09-24-2016 02:45 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  Last girl I met on this website was a first date lay. I'm not sure if I should get back on this or leave it as is to remember it as a good memory rather than trawling through tattooed fatties that no one would touch with someone else's. I've tried POF recently and it's truly the bottom of the barrel and even worse as I expected. Actually the worst thing about POF is how bad the website is, it's fucking terrible - not been redesigned since its inception. No wonder that thread barely pops up on here.

I went through about 20 pages of girls on the site this morning, 50 mile radius and age 20-33 that match into my age, and could only find around 8 worth messaging. The rest were all dumpy or weird or I'd seen before.

I made a dummy female profile to check out the local competition and there's just hundreds of pages of schlubby dudes, the gender balance is totally out-of-whack and completely swamped with dicks.

After this round I'm going to close it out for a while and try Tinder for the first time, and reactivate my POF account.

POF doesn't seem to be as horrible in this area as yours, the girls are better looking but dumber than OKC on average, and the reply rate is overall lower. I did once get a lay from there, and I grabbed a couple #s last month from it, but then a bunch of real life drama hit and I wasn't able to follow up with any of them.

I'm just really glad I don't live in Vince's area because it would suck to know I was probably taking his sloppy seconds...

I need to start reading this thread again to catch up.

Been seeing the same girl that I wrote about on here in my post in August, and haven't had a date since. She keeps my balls empty so I'm not complaining. Drives an hour to see me from her college on the weekends. THE only girl in a long time that works out logistically.

I live a good 30-35 mins away from the city where I mostly have my dates and the logistics are never there. Yet this 21 year old ginger came down to drink in the city and asked if she would have a place to stay if she got drunk, and she's been coming down ever since.

Just got on OKC 22 likes in 1 1/2 days. Still figuring the app out. Don't know if thats even good or not

(10-06-2016 10:16 PM)VforVlad Wrote:  I need to start reading this thread again to catch up.

Been seeing the same girl that I wrote about on here in my post in August, and haven't had a date since. She keeps my balls empty so I'm not complaining. Drives an hour to see me from her college on the weekends. THE only girl in a long time that works out logistically.

I live a good 30-35 mins away from the city where I mostly have my dates and the logistics are never there. Yet this 21 year old ginger came down to drink in the city and asked if she would have a place to stay if she got drunk, and she's been coming down ever since.

(09-27-2016 12:39 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  I went through about 20 pages of girls on the site this morning, 50 mile radius and age 20-33 that match into my age, and could only find around 8 worth messaging. The rest were all dumpy or weird or I'd seen before.

Same here. I wrote a post about my three dates within one week in August.

The other two are already gone and deactivated...which lends credibility to the comments about girls who are willing to meet VS the time wasters/serial online daters.

Something else to ponder. This girl I am currently seeing is always ONLINE on okcupid.

So when you see that girl whose green dot is always on, she might already be actively fucking a Okcupid guy while entertaining herself with new offers.

For fun, I should ask her that if she is just seeing me (she claims to only have sex with one guy at a time and seems pretty straight forward about her sexual past), why is she still on okcupid since she sometimes brings up the funny/creepy messages she gets. Tho I already know the answer so why bother. She is waiting for a Thor Thundercock to magically appear in her inbox, and he never does. I'm a foreigner who is in shape, and has an accent/speaks another language...and she likes foreign European men and wants to move to Europe some day. And with her choice of pictures, she's likely not gonna find many who are better.

I recognized a under-valued asset when I talked to her. Her pictures are not the most aesthetic (one could easily not bother with her, the way she presented herself in her profile. And many guys probably don't bother). Unlike many other girls who take 1000's of pictures and select the best ones with the best angles, this girl doesn't even wear make-up and just posted the pictures she took abroad in finland, goofing around, along with some of her "wall climbing" ones which shows she has an athletic body but not really the most sexy. SHE EASILY LOOKS BETTER IN PERSON then the pictures show. I can see how a Hot looking Thor might not invest time (or be motivated) talking to her...and she isn't assertive enough to talk to him and keep him interested if they viewed each others profiles. So she entertains herself with lame messages from average beta-schlubs and thirsty males while I unload my seed into her.

I signed up an okcupid account two weeks ago. I was on there for one week. Now I disabled my account due to burn out.

I was on there for one week and spent 45 minutes per night. In my first or second message i would clearly inform them that Im on there 45 minutes max per night, to avoid burn out. Just being honest that I do not like being online.

Also in my first or second message I would make it clear that Im only going to be a member on the site for a few more days, max. Then I would directly number close, being nice, asking them if it is okay to have their phone. No overly confident cave man style online. Im just polite.

On the phone I am myself and just being nice I guess, no big ego or macho attitude. Id say 100% of the time I talk on the phone, they all like me and I am approved. After that its up to me if I want to pursue these girls and get them out in real life. When I set up dates they almost never flake on me.

This time around I got three numbers from three slim women. No dates yet. Two of them never even responded to my calls, oh well, so I dropped them. One did pick up the phone but I blew her off because she just wanted to go out drinking and smoking, which is not my scene anymore.

I got a 40% response rate and I only messaged the cutest girls. After one week my response rate dropped to 0% as it usually does. The site must do that on purpose? I get nothing after one week. Its always after one week and then replies from women abruptly stop.

My profile writing was really straight forward about what type of person I am. It had some requirements like, no mean people, and no drug users. Generally I only like slim women who act friendly and do not use drugs or smoke.

Any tips for avoiding the one week drop off peroid? Does the website do that on purpose?

¨^ The owner of OKC admitted that it is not in dating sites' business interest to have people pairing up and closing their accounts.

Are guys starting new accounts every other week to avoid their websites wacky algorithm? Any tips?

These questions are not out of laziness. This topic is almost 300 pages long. It would take me days to read all of this!

Its like Roosh members have provided a free goldmine of raw information for Okcupid executives....

(10-08-2016 03:55 PM)VforVlad Wrote:  Same here. I wrote a post about my three dates within one week in August.

The other two are already gone and deactivated...which lends credibility to the comments about girls who are willing to meet VS the time wasters/serial online daters.

Something else to ponder. This girl I am currently seeing is always ONLINE on okcupid.

So when you see that girl whose green dot is always on, she might already be actively fucking a Okcupid guy while entertaining herself with new offers.

For fun, I should ask her that if she is just seeing me (she claims to only have sex with one guy at a time and seems pretty straight forward about her sexual past), why is she still on okcupid since she sometimes brings up the funny/creepy messages she gets. Tho I already know the answer so why bother. She is waiting for a Thor Thundercock to magically appear in her inbox, and he never does. I'm a foreigner who is in shape, and has an accent/speaks another language...and she likes foreign European men and wants to move to Europe some day. And with her choice of pictures, she's likely not gonna find many who are better.

I recognized a under-valued asset when I talked to her. Her pictures are not the most aesthetic (one could easily not bother with her, the way she presented herself in her profile. And many guys probably don't bother). Unlike many other girls who take 1000's of pictures and select the best ones with the best angles, this girl doesn't even wear make-up and just posted the pictures she took abroad in finland, goofing around, along with some of her "wall climbing" ones which shows she has an athletic body but not really the most sexy. SHE EASILY LOOKS BETTER IN PERSON then the pictures show. I can see how a Hot looking Thor might not invest time (or be motivated) talking to her...and she isn't assertive enough to talk to him and keep him interested if they viewed each others profiles. So she entertains herself with lame messages from average beta-schlubs and thirsty males while I unload my seed into her.

For the newbies arriving recently, here is my executive summary to the "State of OKC Game" and how to manage all these important questions. I took a break from it for a while, and started getting back into it lately after I went "let's be friends" with the most recent plate I met there.

1) In my area (northeast US), the number, quality, and response rate of girls has declined massively in just the past year. I started using it seriously around May of 2015, and I recall last summer closing on numbers was relatively easy. I remember in July of last year I might send out 30 openers in a week, get 15 replies back, and close on 5 or 6 numbers no problem. I was new to it though, and I didn't really understand what was going on, and I missed out on a lot of dates by "playing it slow." Dumb.

When I log on to OKC around here these days, I see mostly a bunch of faces that have been there since Moses was a baby. The amount of turnover is very small. And compared to the summer of last year, most of the users in my demographic are ugly. It takes me a long time to find even a couple girls worth messaging.

2) You need to screen very hard. Probably 90% of the girls who text me back on OKC are not actually interested in a date. In my experience as a late 30s guy, the weakest leads are women in their early 20s, and perhaps surprisingly, women in their 40s. The most receptive are ages 27-33. I've never banged an OKC MILF, and that's not for lack of trying. The few wall-dodger single women hot enough to bang age 40+ are so few and far between that for them, it's almost like they're 22 again.

I try to wait at least 6-10 messages before asking for her number. Last year, girls would talk with you via text on the site in almost real time, and you could sometimes number close in an hour. In October 2k16, sometimes it takes days. Regardless, I shoot for that number to judge interest. At the first sign of a low-effort response to a text I've put effort into, like "heh. nice." I just eject.

A girl who can't give you half a dozen enthusiastic texts is a girl who is a waste of time.

3) It might not be a well-known thing, but a decent number of girls on OKC are there because they're cheating on their LTR. Red flags: main pictures that aren't headshots but are from a distance or weird angles or otherwise obscured, or if she tells you that she doesn't actually live in the town/city she says she does but nearby because she's "worried about her privacy." If you get the sense that she's being a "woman of mystery" it's likely because she's cheating. She might be down for the SNL, but proceed with caution. The guys with "player" profiles like some of us are the ones who they're going to glom onto first. Who knows who her boyfriend is - might be a cop for all you know.

4) Keep in mind that many girls on OKC are in exactly the same position that VforVlad's girl is - they're getting banged out by a Vlad, but they're keeping their account open and getting texts from other guys and going on dates with other guys. I've been in the same situation he is: I'm fucking some cute girl regularly but she's still got her account active. My automatic position when I meet any OKC girl is that there is at least one Chad Thundercock in her phone that she's getting sex from. It's why I don't really tolerate any bullshit from Internet-dating girls - I know they're not really "single", so I'm giving them like one hour max to decide if they like me enough to move forward with and make me at the very least Chad Thundercock #2. Any "it takes me a long time to get used to new people, I feel uncomfortable meeting new guys, need to go on a lotta dates" bullshit and I'm out the door.

Important facts: I know girls with really hot roommates, and I hear girls talk in Starbucks. A lot of hotties around here are hitting up Bumble these days to get banged out. But to do well there, you have to be in the top 10% of looks. I'm not. I stick with sites where I can mass-open girls because my text game is an equalizer.

I have found OKCupid and Yahoo Personals to suck.
In previous post other thread :OKCupid where I set my age 10 years lower and still got matched with divorced or single mothers who look 10 years older than my actual age.

In fact, I just viewed OKCupid today, and may need Pepto Bismal because most of the women from 30 to 40 look menopausal and bloated and unwashed. One chick about 28's inbox was full, so the site asked for $1 to message the single mother, who was actually hot and local....

Yahoo personals: Drove hour and half to meet a woman that was dressed like a Manson family prisoner, long greasy hair to boot, sporting a "cereal box" kids free jewelery bracelet. Just got off job at factory (?). Limited personality and conversational ability , even though she stated she was widely traveled. Actually, she would have been really good-looking if she dressed halfway normally and put on some makeup. Could have been a 9 then. Single mother. Odd. Suppose she was looking for someone to support kid.

Push U.S. eject button, or day game locally in beach town

(10-18-2016 02:52 PM)Half Century Wrote:  I have found OKCupid and Yahoo Personals to suck.
In previous post other thread :OKCupid where I set my age 10 years lower and still got matched with divorced or single mothers who look 10 years older than my actual age.

To make banging online cuties a viable option the US, you basically have to be in an area that can support a large enough population of "free spirited" college-educated young women that don't look like they just crawled out of a trailer park.

That basically means metro areas with 1 million+ people in the Northeast and Cali (best), or Pacific Northwest. South Florida. Maybe a few other cities in the Midwest, like Chicago, and maybe cities like Atlanta and Charolette in the south. And perhaps there are a few hidden gems. Anyone try online dating in SLC or the college towns in upstate New York?

Unfortunately, my guess is that online game elsewhere in the US is a serious dumpster-fire. 28 year old passable single moms with full mailboxes is a bad sign. About the only girls around here I see that have full mailboxes are HB7s in their early to mid 20s, with profiles full of bra and panties shots, who state specifically that they're looking for casual sex.

In Atlanta you don't need to be top ten percent of looks to do well on bumble. I got a few girlfriends this year on bumble and I'm about average. Just put up at least one or two professional looking photos. Buy a $15 tripod like I did to take a art shot, or hire a photographer. If you knew that $300 for a professional photo shoot would net you 20 girlfriends in 2 years would you do it?

She ran into this one.

Too lazy to legitimately fill out a profile? Check.
So un-self-aware that she brags about rejecting people, then complains about being rejected? Check.
No sense of humor? Check.
Vulgar and nasty? Check.

And to top it off, she claims she's only looking for casual sex or "short-term dating". She must realize by now that she's impossible to get along with.

People who haven't used OKCupid extensively are going to think such a shitty attitude is an outlier. Believe me, it's frighteningly typical.

That's funny as shit. Us guys must find the perfect spot between not too needy, not too brief ("hi"), not too funny (or they get offended).

I've been trying the opener " your profile made me dizzy". Some girls were offended, some confused. Almost none saw it for the light meaningless joke it was.

It's not always easy out there...

23 year old just responded to an OKCUpid message I sent. Gotta remember that I am "40", hahah. Put up 3 year old profile pic, makes me looks younger

I just dated a girl, 29, who said grey foxes are hot. Guys who are older but in shape can still get plenty of puntang

(10-20-2016 10:41 PM)Delta Wrote:  People who haven't used OKCupid extensively are going to think such a shitty attitude is an outlier. Believe me, it's frighteningly typical.

Profiles and personalities like that are a dime a dozen in any major US city. I see them all the time in the Boston/Providence area too.

You gotta remember that a large number of women on online sites "these days", perhaps the majority, are not actually serious about dating. I made a post awhile back mentioning that it's like Skyrim for girls; it's an entertaining video game to pass the otherwise dreary time in their lives.

You can still pull from online from time to time, I do, but it's really trying to fit a square peg into a round hole - it's only marginally better than pinging chicks on Facebook.

And it just comes down to screening. Once you've banged a few online girls, you get a pretty good intuition just from a picture and profile on which girls are looking to get laid, and which are just passing time. And certainly any profile where she lists "casual sex" as an option is getting bailed on immediately. I've banged a decent number of girls from OKC, did any of them state explicitly that they were looking for quick sex (even though they were?) Definitely not.

Even with good screening, though, the flake-out rate is absolutely enormous. I had three dates lined up for the weekend, even double-booked assuming at least one would drop out, but ended up rolling out solo. All flaked. And the unfortunate reality is that even sorta-attractive women in their mid-30s around here who use online dating seem to have the mentality of 8 year olds, though in theory most of them graduated college at one point.

It's disconcerting texting a woman who should probably be reading AARP magazine and you feel like you're talking with a preschooler. One even bailed on the meet by texting me something like "Ha! So I'm not gonna be able to make it lol" along with an emoji of a ghost. Miss, you're fucking 32.

So just keep in mind while you're working on it, on their side it's mostly entertainment for adult children.

(10-23-2016 11:44 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 10:41 PM)Delta Wrote:  People who haven't used OKCupid extensively are going to think such a shitty attitude is an outlier. Believe me, it's frighteningly typical.

It's disconcerting texting a woman who should probably be reading AARP magazine and you feel like you're talking with a preschooler. One even bailed on the meet by texting me something like "Ha! So I'm not gonna be able to make it lol" along with an emoji of a ghost. Miss, you're fucking 32.

So just keep in mind while you're working on it, on their side it's mostly entertainment for adult children.

Lol, the insanity never ends. My last 3 numbers have been flakes.

1. 26 yr old on okc..her messages were longer than average. I pitched a date and she responds enthusiastically. We text for a few days and ask her out and she agrees "Sounds good!". The day of, she says she isn't comfortable about the date. I don't respond. 10 minutes later she says "I'm just asking to get roofied. I'm cancelling ha"

2. 33 yr old okc...she responded quickly to all my messages and her messages were on the longer side. Everything flowed as it should. Got the number and we texted for a couple days. She asks me about where I lived in the past, I responded. Ghost.

3. 34 yr old on coffee meets bagel - she actually messaged first. She was slow in responding, but her messages were long and thoughtful. She asked questions. But her responses were taking 1-2 days. So when the chat was about to close I gave her my number for the hell of it. Unexpectedly, she texts me, we exchange a couple of texts. Ghost.

^ I've gotten a sense as to what girls have the hottest buying temperature, and it's middle of the road. A girl whose messages are too short is a weak lead. Additionally, a girl whose messages are too long and filled with personal questions and irrelevant detail is, ironically, also often a weak lead. It's okay to ask some questions, like what I like to read, or what music I'm into, or how long I've lived in the area, etc. but when it feels like she's trying to extract my whole life story via text I become wary. Why does she care about all this trivia before she's even met me? This is shit that we banter about on the date. Oh, right. She's just chit chatting to pass the time and doesn't have any intention of coming out to check out the real deal.

I've noticed some of the biggest flakes and timewasters will respond to my first message with a big ramble, and then hit me up with a personal question on the last line. It's incongruent and weird, like they're having to specifically remember to ask about me when they'd really just rather be talking about themselves. A bunch of girls have done this - it's like they're all reading the same "How To Pretend Not to be a Narcissist" on dating apps guide and they were pretty much all timewasters. Questions flow naturally in a conversation if she's really interested. She doesn't have to take a special time out for them.

I've very rarely been surprised when a girl flakes on me or otherwise ejects when she falls into those two categories. The "text feel" the girls it worked out with was always pretty much the same: enthusiastic and sending me more than a couple words, but concise. Banter back and forth for a half dozen messages, then it's fairly quickly onto logistics "Oh yeah, you're up in such and such a town? What's fun to do on a weekend up there?" Take her number, hit her up via text the next afternoon and pitch the meet, and within a couple texts you'll say "So what's your schedule like for the next few days?", if all goes well she'll say something like "As far as I know I'm pretty much open", you'll pitch a day no more than two or three away and a venue, and she shows up.

This is what I like to see, and this is the program that's worked for me many times. Any bullshit or deviation from that, and I'm getting ready to cut my losses and move on.

(10-25-2016 06:32 PM)goonies Wrote:  Lol, the insanity never ends. My last 3 numbers have been flakes.

1. 26 yr old on okc..her messages were longer than average. I pitched a date and she responds enthusiastically. We text for a few days and ask her out and she agrees "Sounds good!". The day of, she says she isn't comfortable about the date. I don't respond. 10 minutes later she says "I'm just asking to get roofied. I'm cancelling ha"

2. 33 yr old okc...she responded quickly to all my messages and her messages were on the longer side. Everything flowed as it should. Got the number and we texted for a couple days. She asks me about where I lived in the past, I responded. Ghost.

3. 34 yr old on coffee meets bagel - she actually messaged first. She was slow in responding, but her messages were long and thoughtful. She asked questions. But her responses were taking 1-2 days. So when the chat was about to close I gave her my number for the hell of it. Unexpectedly, she texts me, we exchange a couple of texts. Ghost.

Why for a couple of days? Did it just turn out that way from the natural flow of the conversation OR are you purposely waiting days to ask them out?

Broke my okcupid layoff and went on two dates with a new girl. This is some of what her profile bio said, for context:

Quote:Im not real talkative but if u message me ill try
I have alota walls built up around my heart, its gona take awhile to break through them. so get ready cuz it aint gona be easy.

DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT MESSAGIN ME IF YOURE GONA GET COLD FEET OR WANA WASTE MY FUCKIN TIME!!! i have anger issues and u wont like it.

She 'liked' my profile and initially I didn't message her but then she added two new pictures the next day, with high heels and a red skirt, dressed in a way that Roosh would approve of. Closing her was surprisingly easy. Turns out that I caught her early as she just reactivated after 6 months. She even explained her self during the date...that she wasn't getting the kind of attention she was hoping for. Nothing but a bunch of weirdo's (aka unattractive men) and that she predicted that I would message her after the new pictures in her skirt.

Logistics weren't there for a first date lay, and she had to be back for night shift at a certain time. We've had a decent date two and it's at a point where she is down to come watch a movie at my place for the next one....but I'm not sure if I should go through with it. Something tells me that I shouldn't let this girl know where I live as she could be a potential psycho. Will probably pass on it. Just a gut feeling.