(10-27-2016 03:48 PM)VforVlad Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 06:32 PM)goonies Wrote:  Lol, the insanity never ends. My last 3 numbers have been flakes.

1. 26 yr old on okc..her messages were longer than average. I pitched a date and she responds enthusiastically. We text for a few days and ask her out and she agrees "Sounds good!". The day of, she says she isn't comfortable about the date. I don't respond. 10 minutes later she says "I'm just asking to get roofied. I'm cancelling ha"

2. 33 yr old okc...she responded quickly to all my messages and her messages were on the longer side. Everything flowed as it should. Got the number and we texted for a couple days. She asks me about where I lived in the past, I responded. Ghost.

3. 34 yr old on coffee meets bagel - she actually messaged first. She was slow in responding, but her messages were long and thoughtful. She asked questions. But her responses were taking 1-2 days. So when the chat was about to close I gave her my number for the hell of it. Unexpectedly, she texts me, we exchange a couple of texts. Ghost.

Why for a couple of days? Did it just turn out that way from the natural flow of the conversation OR are you purposely waiting days to ask them out?

Just how it happened. I usually like to schedule my dates on Sundays so I refrain from asking them out too far in advance, for example on a Monday. Around mid week is when I usually go for it.

Well if Sunday-Monday are you only options...i would refrain from contacting anybody and stay off cupid till a day before.

I now mostly concur with what XPO is saying. From what I've experienced...if I'm ready and up for having a date on a Wednesday, I will hit up cupid late at night on a monday before going to sleep, with an opening message and drag it out till Tuesday, so I can schedule it for Wednesday. Or just plain ol' message girls on Tuesday with quick back and forth messages while they're still online, to get them out on wednesday.

I've wasted a lot of time and texting prior to that and learned the hard way...during the late 2014-early 2015 period. There is no magic game to getting them out either. The girls who want to meet guys will meet guys...some more than others. All you can do is be the guy at the right time to message her and practice minimalism to reduce the time wasting if they end up flaking.

(10-23-2016 11:44 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  It's disconcerting texting a woman who should probably be reading AARP magazine and you feel like you're talking with a preschooler. One even bailed on the meet by texting me something like "Ha! So I'm not gonna be able to make it lol" along with an emoji of a ghost. Miss, you're fucking 32.

I'd always chalked up that type of behavior to age, as I never pursue women above their mid-late 20's. That's actually quite sad if the 30+ crowd is just as flaky and childish. Still taking their youth for granted when it's about 2 seconds away from expiring.

It seems that many here dont know that okcupid hides/shows attractive users based on how "attractive" their algorithm thinks your profile is. One way around it is to sign up for their A-list
http://mashable.com/2010/05/25/okcupid-d...cj_wD25kqm

getting back in the swing of things.













Will push and try to escalate to go to her place and play "video games"...if she resists I'm outta there. Will not waste time on a reformed Feminist whose summary says this: "No I don't want to hook up with you. If that's all I was looking for, I could find that at a random bar" but whose question/answers say "can't remember the names of every guy I've slept with"

Could some of the senior members here PM me and help me out with some game tips.

Or just in thread whatever works.

I'm running some clean cut white guy game. I'm not being too adventurous. i'm probably about a 5 on the looks scale. My opening line is usually something along the lines of

"Hey, i think you"re attractive; hopefullh your personality matches [insert some personalized question here]"

I'm getting about a 10% reply rate and of those that reply i'm getting arouns 50% number closes. I've only been doing this for a week or so, still waiting to hear back from a few girls who will presumably flake.

Once the ice is broken i'm confident moving forward and my goal is to find a decent traditional girl to have a relationship with. Wouldn't mind having a few fuckbuddies but that is secondary to me.

Can someone help me with my openers or point me in the right direction. There's a lot of (quality) material to sift through here. I'm not trying to fuck as many girls as possible like a lot of members here but i'm not trying to throw out beta-provider signals either. It's a fine line to tread

(11-28-2016 02:40 AM)Eugenics Wrote:  I'm running some clean cut white guy game. I'm not being too adventurous. i'm probably about a 5 on the looks scale.

Assuming you're not being too hard on yourself, with perfect game you may be able to coax a semi-disfigured, morbidly obese single mother out on a date every once in a while.

Seriously, online is heavily stacked against men (3:1 ratio of active users for younger ages), and heavily emphasizes looks. It's essentially impossible for an average looking and/or short guy to have any success going this route.

Quote:My opening line is usually something along the lines of

"Hey, i think you"re attractive; hopefullh your personality matches [insert some personalized question here]"

The one absolute no-no for online dating: NO PHYSICAL COMPLIMENTS. Do not sound like every other groveling chode out there (what I call "groveling chode," chicks call "creep").

I won't give you any canned lines, because what you say should be consistent/congruent with your own voice. But I will give you the general methodology that worked pretty well for me:

For girls with decent profiles that actually have some content, spend a minute or two and come up with a message based on something they wrote. From scratch; no template. Chicks give you bonus points if it appears you aren't spamming some copy-paste bullshit to every girl on the thing.

For girls with shit profiles that have nothing unique or interesting to grab hold of, come up with a very fun and creative copy-paste message to spam them all with. Since you're only coming up with this once, spend some time and really craft it to be perfect. I know I just said chicks hate copy-paste messages, but in these cases you don't have much choice; it beats trying to turn their generic drivel into fun conversation, or just not messaging them at all. The good news is no other guy can spawn a fun convo from a barren profile either, so you can beat them all by having a great copy-paste message, which is the next best thing.

Quote:I'm getting about a 10% reply rate and of those that reply i'm getting arouns 50% number closes. I've only been doing this for a week or so, still waiting to hear back from a few girls who will presumably flake.

10% is a little weak, but not terrible believe it or not, depending of course on the caliber of girl you're messaging. 50% number closes is actually quite good.

I get a much better response rate on OKC by writing out at least a few sentences that mention something in her profile.

I've started to skip the girls who don't have anything in their profile worth commenting on. It never goes anywhere with those girls anyway.

(11-28-2016 10:05 PM)Suits Wrote:  I've started to skip the girls who don't have anything in their profile worth commenting on. It never goes anywhere with those girls anyway.

This I haven't found to be true. I mean it depends: If it seems like it's because she's too dumb to write anything interesting, then I agree. But if it seems like she just didn't feel like spending much time on it, then these are often the best prospects (i.e. they're normal human beings). The girls who get super into the whole online dating scene and craft these gigantic profiles tend to broken individuals and/or serial daters who demand way more than they can offer.

Thanks Delta, i really hope the situation isn't that dire. I wouldn't be surprised if it was though. Regardless thanks for the reminder to act right

I recently was locked out of my account for a week or so, and I emailed OK Cupid about what was going on. This was the email they sent me:

Quote:Hi there,

Thanks for your message, and our apologies for the inconvenience!

It looks like your account was temporarily suspended while being reviewed by our moderators. This can happen for a number of reasons, including your account being flagged by another user, or certain types of activity that trigger our automatic filters.

No worries, though--everything's been sorted out now, and you should be all set going forward.

Thanks for bearing with us on this, and please let me know if you have any questions or run into any other issues!

Cheers,
Drew
Moderation Response Team

My most recent activity was copy-pasting a message about "how we met" that ended in Justin Bieber's accidental death. Looks like the moderation is tightening up. Stay safe out there players.

An anecdote that illustrates how little attention you should pay to how girls answer questions and write up their profile:
On Monday I met up with a girl from OkCupid, about a 7 in looks and 26 years old. On her profile it stated that she is only looking for 'long-term dating' or 'friends' and that she will only sleep with a guy after '6 or more dates' (she also wonders publically whether 'there are any good guys left'). We each had one drink (she didn't finish hers and it tasted more like fruit juice than alcohol), the conversation eventually went in the direction of sex, and it turned out I couldn't go back to her place because she had a friend staying over and she couldn't come back to mine because of certain logistical reasons (I live in the outer suburbs with family and never take girls back). She also mentioned how dating and courtship were preferential to one night stands. She rejected my attempts at kissing her, saying 'not here!'.
Accepting that I wasn't getting the bang, we parted and I made my way towards the train station (I finally kissed her upon on leaving). A few minutes later she calls me and suggests we go to a hotel (it seems she had ditched her friend who she was supposed to ensure got home safe with her). Banged her half an hour later!

(12-17-2016 04:51 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  An anecdote that illustrates how little attention you should pay to how girls answer questions and write up their profile:
On Monday I met up with a girl from OkCupid, about a 7 in looks and 26 years old. On her profile it stated that she is only looking for 'long-term dating' or 'friends' and that she will only sleep with a guy after '6 or more dates' (she also wonders publically whether 'there are any good guys left'). We each had one drink (she didn't finish hers and it tasted more like fruit juice than alcohol), the conversation eventually went in the direction of sex, and it turned out I couldn't go back to her place because she had a friend staying over and she couldn't come back to mine because of certain logistical reasons (I live in the outer suburbs with family and never take girls back). She also mentioned how dating and courtship were preferential to one night stands. She rejected my attempts at kissing her, saying 'not here!'.
Accepting that I wasn't getting the bang, we parted and I made my way towards the train station (I finally kissed her upon on leaving). A few minutes later she calls me and suggests we go to a hotel (it seems she had ditched her friend who she was supposed to ensure got home safe with her). Banged her half an hour later!

Don't let that kind of stuff deter you. Those kinds of questions mean nothing, most of them do.

I used to sell things door to door when I was in my teens. Knives, vacuums, everything. You know those people that have "NO SOLICITING" or basically any other type of sign that translates into "FUCK D2D SALESMAN" signs up on their doors? For a long time I politely avoided those houses and went to the next ones.

One day during a conversation with a seasoned salesman we got to talking about strategies, caveats, nuances of our business and the signs came up. Me being fairly green at the time brought up my hatred for those signs and how ethically I avoided them. The salesman was astonished; completely at a loss for words for a few moments - which for a salesman is quite a thing. After he gathered himself he ripped me a new asshole and proceeded to tell me to NEVER, and I mean NEVER skip those houses. He actually told me some of those houses with the no soliciting signs have been some of his best sales.

The reason is the people that put up those signs have most likely been burned by salesman before and have a weakness that can be exploited. He was right. It was easy to frame myself as "different" or "better" or whatever stupid superior adjective that will set you apart from those that burned them before.

Those shitty OKC questions are a lot like those no soliciting signs. Pay them no mind and procede as usual. They might even be a good luck charm.

It depends really - I like girls who know their own blueprint well, upfront and don't bullshit you with a 6 date strategy on their profile, in a sense that they are more likely to result in a bang. Many of those girls will also bang you however.

If I had an option between a girl who was upfront, and one strictly saying no hookups (with all else being equal) I know which one I'd choose.

Of course we'd all pick the honest girl over one full of bullshit, I'm just saying you shouldn't let the profile derail your plans or deter you at all.
Perhaps I need a larger sample size but I can never get with a girl who's up front. They all give lectures about how they don't like to sleep around/delete all guys who proposition them online/only met with me cause I look like a nice guy.
On the other hand, I don't think it's complete bullshit what they write. I imagine that the girls who state that they would put out on a first date get inundated with messages from guys with no social filter/game. By stating that they don't want hookups, I suspect they really mean that they don't want hookups with most of the guys messaging them (but are open to it with the right guy).

The girls who say "no hookups" thing can be divided into two camps. Those who are definitely not into hookups, and those who are given the right guy and circumstances but are allowing themselves some plausible deniability. The girls in the latter camp are in the majority in my experience.

But whatever camp those girls are in, if they're soliciting for dates online, and you turned up to the date as Tom Hardy, it don't matter a solitary jot what she's put on her profile. Never forget that.

(12-18-2016 09:06 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  But whatever camp those girls are in, if they're soliciting for dates online, and you turned up to the date as Tom Hardy, it don't matter a solitary jot what she's put on her profile. Never forget that.

Absolutely true and your point is solid. Unfortunately none of us are Tom Hardy so the normal rules typically apply.

Sadly even if we looked like him it wouldn't make a huge amount of difference unless she knew (social proof) you are some famous Holywood star, in which case her underwear will come off automatically. Status definitely trumps all. I have seen really good looking guys treated like absolute shit online. You are a stranger to them and generally they don't give one flying fuck about you. If you get hit by a bus they will utter something like "ow" under their breath and forget it ever happened in the blink of a fucking eye.

I do agree to not believe it when a girl says "no hookups". One recent example I found a girl on Tinder I banged on a first date featuring anal sex a few months back and her profile reads "no hookups". She loves guys to shoot cum in her ass and has had threesomes before.

(12-18-2016 10:30 AM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 09:06 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  But whatever camp those girls are in, if they're soliciting for dates online, and you turned up to the date as Tom Hardy, it don't matter a solitary jot what she's put on her profile. Never forget that.

Absolutely true and your point is solid. Unfortunately none of us are Tom Hardy so the normal rules typically apply.

Sadly even if we looked like him it wouldn't make a huge amount of difference unless she knew (social proof) you are some famous Holywood star, in which case her underwear will come off automatically. Status definitely trumps all. I have seen really good looking guys treated like absolute shit online. You are a stranger to them and generally they don't give one flying fuck about you. If you get hit by a bus they will utter something like "ow" under their breath and forget it ever happened in the blink of a fucking eye.

I do agree to not believe it when a girl says "no hookups". One recent example I found a girl on Tinder I banged on a first date featuring anal sex a few months back and her profile reads "no hookups". She loves guys to shoot cum in her ass and has had threesomes before.

It's like the "chemistry" thing a lot of these women talk about. Do any of the women lining up backstage to blow One Direction worry about having "chemistry" with the guy whose cock is in their mouth?

Most of the girls I've banged from online have had the "no hookups" thing on their profile. Or "if you're into one night stands swipe left!" What you have to remember is that attraction is not negotiable. If you make her wet, there's no telling what's she liable to do - and they know that themselves, which is why they're all screaming their plausible deniability as loud as they can before the date.

By the way, Vincent, always enjoy reading your posts as your experiences match my own to a large degree. Banging hotties and then the next night being blocked by a chubby 6 fifteen minutes after the date. You can't take any of this shit personal with these chicks and gotta take the rough with the smooth.

(12-18-2016 05:38 AM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  It depends really - I like girls who know their own blueprint well, upfront and don't bullshit you with a 6 date strategy on their profile, in a sense that they are more likely to result in a bang. Many of those girls will also bang you however.

If I had an option between a girl who was upfront, and one strictly saying no hookups (with all else being equal) I know which one I'd choose.

Absolutely. I had a summer fling this year with a girl off cupid whose Q and A's were all sexual pretty much. Sex on the first date YES, can't remember all the names of guys she had sex with YES, etc,. etc,.

Came down an hour from her college and asked if she would have a place to stay if she got drunk. Banged on the first night and as a result of my performance she kept coming back. Tells me about her sexual past, having banged 9 guys in Finland during her semester as a exchange student. Straight forward as fuck.

Meanwhile you take some prude on a date and if you're too respectful, she concludes that there is no "spark" because you didn't initiate and get aggressive at just the right time.

On a sidenote, okcupid has gone to complete shit for me since I deleted and signed up for a new account with a new name. Sex bot profiles are viewing and messaging me on the regular with barely any real views at all.

Every time I log in, I have 4 or 5 new messages and the accounts have already been deleted. Meanwhile, I have an old fake account that I've kept and it gets no messages from bots at all.

Just deleted my okcupid profile. Been on it for years with zero success, and after getting into game I'd rather go out and meet people. With the amount of SJW on there in Melbourne, I just packed it in.

Still using POF, but not really finding online dating much chop.

That said, I'm dumb as shit when it comes to people.

I've been fucking more women off CL and tinder than OKC. I have a good idea of what I'm doing wrong here. The worst part is I am actually trying to find a decent girl to spend a fair amount of time with but hoes keep pouring in. I'm stuck in some weird paradox.

Need better pictures and a more playful bio. Need to suggest something better than coffee as a first date.

My okcupid account was deleted after a dispute settlement with the abuse team. A girl used the site for posting malicious content about me and so I reported her. They removed the abusive content she posted and then deleted my account. So Im done with okcupid.

(12-18-2016 05:31 AM)Eugenics Wrote:  

(12-17-2016 04:51 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  An anecdote that illustrates how little attention you should pay to how girls answer questions and write up their profile:
On Monday I met up with a girl from OkCupid, about a 7 in looks and 26 years old. On her profile it stated that she is only looking for 'long-term dating' or 'friends' and that she will only sleep with a guy after '6 or more dates' (she also wonders publically whether 'there are any good guys left'). We each had one drink (she didn't finish hers and it tasted more like fruit juice than alcohol), the conversation eventually went in the direction of sex, and it turned out I couldn't go back to her place because she had a friend staying over and she couldn't come back to mine because of certain logistical reasons (I live in the outer suburbs with family and never take girls back). She also mentioned how dating and courtship were preferential to one night stands. She rejected my attempts at kissing her, saying 'not here!'.
Accepting that I wasn't getting the bang, we parted and I made my way towards the train station (I finally kissed her upon on leaving). A few minutes later she calls me and suggests we go to a hotel (it seems she had ditched her friend who she was supposed to ensure got home safe with her). Banged her half an hour later!

Don't let that kind of stuff deter you. Those kinds of questions mean nothing, most of them do.

I used to sell things door to door when I was in my teens. Knives, vacuums, everything. You know those people that have "NO SOLICITING" or basically any other type of sign that translates into "FUCK D2D SALESMAN" signs up on their doors? For a long time I politely avoided those houses and went to the next ones.

One day during a conversation with a seasoned salesman we got to talking about strategies, caveats, nuances of our business and the signs came up. Me being fairly green at the time brought up my hatred for those signs and how ethically I avoided them. The salesman was astonished; completely at a loss for words for a few moments - which for a salesman is quite a thing. After he gathered himself he ripped me a new asshole and proceeded to tell me to NEVER, and I mean NEVER skip those houses. He actually told me some of those houses with the no soliciting signs have been some of his best sales.

The reason is the people that put up those signs have most likely been burned by salesman before and have a weakness that can be exploited. He was right. It was easy to frame myself as "different" or "better" or whatever stupid superior adjective that will set you apart from those that burned them before.

Those shitty OKC questions are a lot like those no soliciting signs. Pay them no mind and procede as usual. They might even be a good luck charm.

I've done door to door sales. Those little signs are "I can't say no" signs. Assholes wait till you get to the door to be assholes("NOT INTERESTED").

(12-28-2016 04:49 AM)Eugenics Wrote:  I've been fucking more women off CL and tinder than OKC. I have a good idea of what I'm doing wrong here. The worst part is I am actually trying to find a decent girl to spend a fair amount of time with but hoes keep pouring in. I'm stuck in some weird paradox.

Need better pictures and a more playful bio. Need to suggest something better than coffee as a first date.

You have some good problems if you're fucking a bunch of girls from different apps.

OKC is all about your pictures and being a smartass in your profile, as well as in your messaging.

Odds are, finding a decent girl from a dating website will be kind of tough. Most of those women are looking for validation and attention. Since many men will continue to stroke all those women's' egos, then they will continue to use apps where they feel wanted from one click/swipe away.