(07-12-2016 01:37 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Is anyone still slaying on here like we were a couple years ago? Judging from the slew of bitter and jaded posts over the past several pages here I would guess not.

I mostly stopped using it all together. I've had a couple girls cold message me over the past few weeks. Converted them to text real quick and they ghost from there. Baffling how a girl will open you saying how hot she thinks you are, then within 24 hours she is ignoring you. Doesn't want to meet up right away, doesn't want to meet up later, doesn't want to chat. Just wanted to tell me how good looking I am I guess. Whatever.

Well, I met both my current plates there, and the SDL I mentioned above last weekend, and that's over the past four months. I've only been using it seriously since last summer, and it's certainly not blowing up the way it was last July when sadly, I didn't really have a program and likely lost a number of good prospects.

So, 1 a month if you fudge the numbers a bit. When I started I was primarily looking for a couple chill girls to hit up regularly, and it did provide that, eventually.

Not as much action to be sure, but with about fifty dates under my belt at this point, I have a years worth of experience on how to structure dates and screen for interest, so that the girls I do get out I have a much better shot at closing with.

So not slaying, but at this point I'd rate it simply "OK."

(07-12-2016 12:17 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

(07-11-2016 05:03 PM)Remington Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 07:59 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(07-05-2016 12:52 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

(07-03-2016 05:49 PM)Remington Wrote:  Funny you think DC is pussy hell. I crushed it in that area.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to hear about this experience given DC's rep. It's pretty uncommon for people to be "crushing" it in DC; even experienced guys who have their shit together often have a rough time in DC.

I sincerely would love to hear a positive DC story.

You can get all the notches you want here. Quality is rough at best.

Had a few nurses that worked in DC. They were all transplants from either Maryland or Virginia. I thought they were all cute. For some reason they were all short...

There was another chick who was an actress that was very attractive with a ridiculous body. She messaged me first and met me at my apartment. I was skeptical at first because of how eager she was to meet up. Was expecting a dog to knock at my door but it was the same chick as in the pictures. We hung out for a while, watched TV and had a few beers. She said about 20 minutes in that we weren't going to have sex. I didn't think anything of it and she was naked in my bed about an hour later. Great sex, great head. Pretty decent night.

Sounds like some solid notches but I don't know if that means crushing it. Still, it's nice to hear some positive stories on DC. Thanks for sharing.

No problem. Just a few examples. I was only there for a year. Have a lot more notches and a lot more stories. Of course, there were a couple that I got because I really had the urge to fuck something. I thought I was doing pretty well with getting a high notch count from spending minimal time on the site.

(07-12-2016 01:37 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Is anyone still slaying on here like we were a couple years ago? Judging from the slew of bitter and jaded posts over the past several pages here I would guess not.

I mostly stopped using it all together. I've had a couple girls cold message me over the past few weeks. Converted them to text real quick and they ghost from there. Baffling how a girl will open you saying how hot she thinks you are, then within 24 hours she is ignoring you. Doesn't want to meet up right away, doesn't want to meet up later, doesn't want to chat. Just wanted to tell me how good looking I am I guess. Whatever.

OKC was never as good for me in the UK than POF. I think it is simply a question of numbers first.

Here is some newly published OKC data which is trying to encourage passive women from actively searching for men out of their leagues.

It shows that regardless the sexual orientation, looks, and the number of unread mail in their inboxes, the levels of female first messages is similarly low.

https://www.okcupid.com/deep-end/a-womans-advantage

(07-12-2016 11:56 PM)N°6 Wrote:  OKC was never as good for me in the UK than POF. I think it is simply a question of numbers first.

Here is some newly published OKC data which is trying to encourage passive women from actively searching for men out of their leagues.

It shows that regardless the sexual orientation, looks, and the number of unread mail in their inboxes, the levels of female first messages is similarly low.

https://www.okcupid.com/deep-end/a-womans-advantage

Quote:Yet doing this research unlocked a secret — the OkCupid ecosystem actually puts women at a huge advantage.

What the fuck kind of "secret" is this? Like the secret that water is wet? Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, there aren't enough laugh .gifs for this howler.

Quote:If you’re a woman on OkCupid, you’re at an incredible advantage. You should message men you find attractive — not just because they’re easy on the eye, but because you’re more likely to have something to talk about.

Haha, holy shit.

Quote:As for men, it’s worth noting that they’ll probably enjoy getting more messages.

As if women fucking care.

Quote:The odds are in your favor. What’s the worst that could happen? You message a cute guy and don’t get an answer.

And eat the bitter sting of rejection? Fuck that, bad feels are for guys.

Quote:What’s the best? That’s between you and your date.

Yep, men see women who send the first message as solid pump n dump material! I've never had a serial dater message me first, that's for sure. Them first-message girls are DTF.

Sounds almost like they're trying to convert the site into Bumble simply through peer pressure.

Quote:At this point, we’re perplexed.

I swear to Christ that it sometimes seems the site must be run by a bunch of secret red-pillers, raking in the cash from simps while laughing all the way to the bank. These statistics posts are like someone is slamming a copy of "Bang" on your desk along with a three ring binder of academic research to back it all up.



I have no doubts.

Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever hooked up with a girl who cold messaged me. In fact, I don't think I've ever even gone on a date with one. The ones that have messaged me first have either been unattractive or complete time wasters.

Anyway, that study suggestion is retarded. Average girls get a couple dozen messages a day. You think they have time to be looking up other people profiles and messaging them too? Get outta here. If I was being hit with 20+ pings a day from random girls I certainly wouldn't bother cold-calling bitches. I would imply chat up a couple of the best looking ones who messaged me and set up dates accordingly. Rinse and repeat.

The girls who messaged me first have reliably DTF. But this is Beijing, China.

I have only gotten a few messages from women that have reached to me without me pursuing. Can't remember how many, but it wasn't enough to provide a statistical analysis. I got a notch with maybe 70%.

The percentage is high because I convinced a decent number to come to my apartment. The others I met in public and wasn't able to convert.

One of those women I couldn't convert was the one that got away. She was extremely good looking, tight body, cool personality. We went out to a couple bars and I ran my normal game. Took her to my favorite bar, then bounced her to a place I drank for free.

Made out. That was it. Didn't see her again. We texted back and forth for a while but my work hours were too messed up to schedule another meeting.

Damn, that pissed me off. Really wanted that notch. Oh well, chalk it to the game.

(07-15-2016 04:10 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever hooked up with a girl who cold messaged me. In fact, I don't think I've ever even gone on a date with one. The ones that have messaged me first have either been unattractive or complete time wasters.

Anyway, that study suggestion is retarded. Average girls get a couple dozen messages a day. You think they have time to be looking up other people profiles and messaging them too? Get outta here. If I was being hit with 20+ pings a day from random girls I certainly wouldn't bother cold-calling bitches. I would imply chat up a couple of the best looking ones who messaged me and set up dates accordingly. Rinse and repeat.

The hottest girl I've ever been with cold messaged me on a dating site. Chicks may get a ton of messages, but the higher class ones find them all repulsive. Assuming you aren't a loser, don't be skeptical of a cute girl who actively pursues you online. They're pursuing you because they're sick of low-brow douches and supplicating chodes and see you as a far better option, not necessarily because something is wrong with them. Believe me, these girls consistently turn out far better than the icy bitches who sit back and play "hard to get."

(07-16-2016 01:35 AM)Delta Wrote:  The hottest girl I've ever been with cold messaged me on a dating site. Chicks may get a ton of messages, but the higher class ones find them all repulsive. Assuming you aren't a loser, don't be skeptical of a cute girl who actively pursues you online. They're pursuing you because they're sick of low-brow douches and supplicating chodes and see you as a far better option, not necessarily because something is wrong with them. Believe me, these girls consistently turn out far better than the icy bitches who sit back and play "hard to get."

Agreed. A fair number of unattractive girls first message me, but every once in a long while a cutie does as well.

To my recollection I've never had a first date with a cutie who opened me, and that I got out on a date, end with the "hug close." Never.

(07-15-2016 04:41 PM)Suits Wrote:  The girls who messaged me first have reliably DTF. But this is Beijing, China.

In New England, it appears to be the same...

I'm in Poland, on a different online dating site. "Sympatia.pl"

There is a fucking huge number of hot girls online in Poland. I'm in a small Polish city and there are maybe 50 girls that rate 7+

I have a profile, my best photos, an explanation of why I am there (noting I am not a short term visitor), a few bits of comedy. I emailed a good dozen or so Girls. No response but half checked out my profile.

My opener is something like:

Hello, I am a Canadian now living in Bialystok. Sorry I can't speak Polish. I looked at your profile, you seem really cool. I just wanted to get to know you better. (Insert something related to profile) e.g. I see that you like musicals - have you see Les Mis, Phantom of the opera, or Annie on stage?

Don't worry about your English, I have google translate.
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Anything I could do better?

I don't know what the deal is with me. I have had a decent amount of cute girls cold message me, but they lead nowhere. We will message back and forth once or twice and then she ghosts, or I'll convert her to a number and she just wants to stay in texting hell and dodges actualyl making plans - or gets cunty and entitled all of the sudden.

(07-16-2016 12:02 PM)Pokerbaby Wrote:  I'm in Poland, on a different online dating site. "Sympatia.pl"

There is a fucking huge number of hot girls online in Poland. I'm in a small Polish city and there are maybe 50 girls that rate 7+

I have a profile, my best photos, an explanation of why I am there (noting I am not a short term visitor), a few bits of comedy. I emailed a good dozen or so Girls. No response but half checked out my profile.

My opener is something like:

Hello, I am a Canadian now living in Bialystok. Sorry I can't speak Polish. I looked at your profile, you seem really cool. I just wanted to get to know you better. (Insert something related to profile) e.g. I see that you like musicals - have you see Les Mis, Phantom of the opera, or Annie on stage?

Don't worry about your English, I have google translate.
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Anything I could do better?

I think that is probably too long of a message, investing too much too soon. But I don't know much about Poland, I thought Roosh said the girls speak good English. If you were learning Polish, I would try to play up that angle, like trying to set up a date with them so you can practice your basic command of the Polish language, not that you will rely on google translate to communicate with them(that pretty much seems like a no go, I would not have the patience to try to use google translate to have a conversation with someone I am on a date with). But that is me, you can do what you want.

As for everyone saying the online dating apps suck, they are much more sausage fests no more than a few years ago. A few years ago, I could message 100 women in a week, about 10 or 20 would respond and a couple of the girls would agree to meet up. Either I would bang them or I wouldn't.

Now, if I send out 100 messages in a week on okcupid, about 10 or 20 would respond, almost all of them say that they are running a cam show for webcam sex chat and want me to pay to watch their show, and if I leave a good comment, they will consider meeting me(I have never watched a webcam sex chat show). I do sometimes get messages from real girls that seem interested in meeting up, then they delete their profile. I am guessing the new girls are getting hammered by 100+ messages per day and are overwhelmed and leave the site after a few days. So at least in a city like Los Angeles, the site is 90% men.

(07-16-2016 12:07 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  I don't know what the deal is with me. I have had a decent amount of cute girls cold message me, but they lead nowhere. We will message back and forth once or twice and then she ghosts, or I'll convert her to a number and she just wants to stay in texting hell and dodges actualyl making plans - or gets cunty and entitled all of the sudden.

Not every cute girl who cold opens me ends up on a date either; I've had my fair share of girls who opened me and then ghost after a few messages, which certainly seems bizarre from a guy's perspective , but we don't see the fact that they're fielding a ton of other offers.

BTW I mentioned before that I never ask for a girl's number until I've pitched the meet and she's at least tentatively signed on the line, it keeps me out of texting hell and boots the timewasters early.

If a girl opens me first but then ghosts, or flakes on the meet, I always hang on to their message/number for a little while and hit them up one (but only one) more time, no hard feelings. That's paid off for me once or twice.

I was listening in to a girl at a house party last weekend talk about her online dating experiences in Boston and it sounded fucking grim, though of course one has to keep in mind that it's processed through her selection filter, and women love to complain. If she's to be believed (and I've heard similar stories from other girls) one of the problems with game of all types here is that "good on paper" dudes are a dime a dozen: 6'+ awesome beard, tattoos, pulling down six figure incomes at hospitals or law firms, or bartenders/promoters, or micro-famous, and these chicks are falling all over themselves to hit at it, but then the guys show up in person and they have...no game.

In a sense they don't have to, because to them they're doing both online soliciting and the date as rapid-fire low-effort screening, coasting on their income and looks.

The irony is that it seems once they've plowed through ten dates with girls who can't stand their personalities, and manage to find the one moderately attractive chick boring enough to put up with them for a few minutes, they're falling all over themselves to get her to "cohabitate" and provide for her. The way this girl at the party told it made it seem like she's already received what amount to three 21st century common-law marriage proposals from these guys to move into their 27th floor condo.

And she's not having any of it. She's hard on the carousel; they drop that commitment shit on her and she is fuckin' outta there.

Coming from the experiences I've had, and what I've read on this site, I'm sitting there in shocked, spellbound silence. The girl in question is pushing 30 and lives in a frumpy 1920s vintage apartment building on the outskirts of town, with two roommates and three cats. So she's a borderline "7" at best, the kind of girl who if things went well on a first date you'd likely want to hit up again and maybe keep around for a while, but honestly, guys. She hardly knows how to send an email.

I'm not sure if this situation works for or against me, but it seems I'm still getting laid with new women regularly enough.

(07-16-2016 12:07 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  I don't know what the deal is with me. I have had a decent amount of cute girls cold message me, but they lead nowhere. We will message back and forth once or twice and then she ghosts, or I'll convert her to a number and she just wants to stay in texting hell and dodges actualyl making plans - or gets cunty and entitled all of the sudden.

These are just the typical outcomes of any online interaction. As it's extremely rare for any guy to be cold messaged by a cute girl, you probably lack the sample size to clearly observe the trend I described in my post (I only have it because I've been on these sites for years).

Even among girls I messaged first, the ones that ended up worthwhile were those who responded with unambiguous interest, and from that point on gave off a vibe that they were pursuing me as much as I was pursuing them.

Back on the online bandwagon. Banged three new girls the previous week - 19, 20 and 21 year olds, including from Tinder and Happn. Meeting with one of them again possibly later in the week.

Following on from that had a date with an Asian girl in her 30s. 6/10 face but with an ass to die for which I saw other guys staring at. She travelled an hour to get to the bar location which is a very good investment to have from a girl on the first date.

Walked her to my favourite dive bar. She shit tested me on why we ended up in this place when there are so many other bars in central. I told her because it's cool and chilled here. I have gotten my best results going to dive bars i.e. non pretentious places for drinks. I did my standard "closing the exits" to ensure she sees me as a lover rather than as a provider telling her how I like being single. The dive bar is as good as indication as any though. "Why would he take me to a run down pub rather than a high end cocktail bar?" you can hear the hamster say. She actually told me she's seeing some guy who wants to have a threesome with her and another girl. My response was nonchalant. I don't give a fuck if she's seeing 20 guys. Had a drink and did the venue change.

At this point she needed to get home and was checking last train times. She was in a hurry to go home which is always a challenge especially when she has work the next day.

Walked her to the station. I jokingly slapped her ass along the way telling her she needs to get going as she struggled in heels. As we were about to say goodbye went for a full on kiss which she largely initiated as I went close and she had her shoulders around me and I had my hand in the back of her jeans and then the front. She joked and said "not here not here". I took her hand and said we still have 5 minutes I that I live a few blocks away. She was getting really excited, it was like being naughty schoolchildren. What an exciting end to her night.

Got to my place, heels off. She asked me if I could carry her as her feet hurt. Lifted her up and straight on to the bed. She told me she was on her period and didn't want it messy but she gave a fierce blowjob as she counted down 1 minute on the money shot, which went over her and her hair. Threw her a couple of tissues then she run back to the train station and just managed to catch the last train home.

Haha. What on earth is your hook to get these barely legal teens to come out and commit to meeting you, Vincent? This reads like some reddit story minus the cuckoldry.

(07-17-2016 04:28 AM)slothpiece Wrote:  Haha. What on earth is your hook to get these barely legal teens to come out and commit to meeting you, Vincent? This reads like some reddit story minus the cuckoldry.

A sense of adventure. Getting them to go out and not flake is really the hard part, if they do go out for the date then the pull is pretty straight forward. I have gone on these dates hundreds of times in the last three years, I outwit and out talk most girls to the point where attraction builds and they become really curious (aside from those in their 30s who are jaded and bitter and where no amount of game can get through them as they target a chump for lifestyle purposes).

The girls 18-21 usually ghost after the sex too which I take more of a compliment. They are pretty much using you and in that situation you can only be proud.

You have good periods, as well as dry periods as per some of my previous posts where nothing seems to work for weeks. It is a numbers game for men.

Have you given up on finding a good LTR 25-35 yr old girl ? I think you mentioned that a few posts / weeks back .
It's a f-cking hard slog this online dating !

Does Vincent use venue intrigue, something like texting a cool looking location? Do you tell them lets meet at [public place] or the beach?

I get matches but getting a meet up has been very difficult. It's like you are so close and then insert flake reason.

Some girls who I am better than in every way (not trying to be arrogant) I never hear from again. I'm sure you guys don't believe it (I probably wouldn't on the other end of the forum), but my only explanation is that they think I have too much going and they don't trust me.

Or, they have a type.

The online dating thing is warped. Not sure what the near 30s idiots are even looking for. I don't really care, either, it's just with women the rule is nothing makes sense, so volume.

(07-17-2016 06:17 PM)cosworth Wrote:  Have you given up on finding a good LTR 25-35 yr old girl ? I think you mentioned that a few posts / weeks back .
It's a f-cking hard slog this online dating !

I'm still working on it but need a break from them generally as they can be soul drenching unless they explicitly tell me they are not looking for something serious. Generally I meet girls at a public place and walk to a dive bar, once in a while have a zero date girl such as the last one.

The flakes are ridiculous online which is why you need to at minimum double book. I quadruple booked on one of the last bangs, two of them flaked and I played one girl against the other on who is more on. I chose right, although the girl I flaked on may well have been on too. Doing this is really the only way you can be on a level playing field with girls with endless options. You can try to fake it but there is no better abundance than natural abundance. I would say I naturally flaked on at least 6 girls in past couple of months due to better options or them not sounding right and I don't remember a thing about them.

Spent a good while going back and forth with a good looking 29 year old Roller Derby girl...over my questions/answers which many had "misogynistic" explanations to them. Never had a girl engage me on my Q and A's and she surprisingly took them well, even tho she doesn't agree with many of them but thinks I'm funny.

Is showing enthusiasm about meeting me.

Contrary to the general consensus around here of older girls being jaded and uninterested, she is breaking the mold and showing the kind of excitement your young girls would show. And is more engaging on top of it. I wish I could post screenshot of how it went but there was no real "game" behind any of it and is too long...other then she loved my Profile summary.

I haven't been on a date with anyone as old as 29, which essentially makes her 30.

26 year olds is the oldest I've been, so no experience in that dept.

Nothing useful about that age bracket in this thread as her engagement with me showed no jadedness or that 1000 cock stare profile summary.

I've been out of the dating game for since May, so I'm rusty. Even this one came because she liked my profile and messaged me first...and was a 7 in my view (A 6 if she wasn't in such good shape for a 30 yr old. An extra point) I've lost the energy of going through the process of messaging girl, asking for #, trying to set up a date

Two days ago I read some of the pages in this topic, so I decided to try online dating again. Here is my experience

I have a set of semi pro photos, tall, athletic, decent guy

Signed up at Okcupid, then viewed profiles for ten seconds. Deleted the account. Seeing so many fat women with big smiles on their main photos basically almost gave me terminal illness. It was really bad this time. We are talking Medusa ugly.

Side note. About a year ago I did Okcupid for almost two weeks. My inbox was filled up. They were communicating with me. Zero dates. Probably not even a phone number. And my inbox was maxed out. So I just deleted my account and yes I felt like a total failure. Hahaha

Anyways, back to my original report. So after Medusa almost turned me to stone at Okcupid, I uploaded the POF app and built a profile. I chatted with several girls but after two days of dealing the stinky attitudes of these girls my positive mood was contaminated. Shoot, I can withstand crazy women in person much better, but these online dating platforms are some sick global machines designed for sucking peoples souls, of both men and women. You can call me a beta all day long but these sites are poisonous.

The only alternative I can think of is to pay someone to stage my photos, and to type my profile, send messages and set up dates for me. There could be no other way.

Unfortunately like numerous other guys have mentioned here, online dating really does seem to be getting worse year after year. In the past it worked for going out with a new girl almost everyday but now the whole environment is just rotten, in my opinion.

Glad some of you are finding success with it but in my case I say no way Jose. I am better off meeting women in real life.

OKcupid has an algorithm that matches you with undesirable profiles UNTIL your profile gets many likes and views. I wondered why I was getting so many hideous matches until I did some research. After my profile got many, many likes the quality of matches drastically improved.

Man, that is some twisted stuff right there. Algorithms... Medusa, whatever it is scared the daylights out of me.