Wow, so remember how I said my fake average-ish looking girl profile got 27 messages in the first 24 hours? Turns out it slows down tremendously after that. Here's the distribution of messages it's received:

Late Wed night (right after I made it): 14 messages
Thurs: 18 messages
Fri: 5 messages
Sat: 3 messages
Sun: 4 messages
Mon: 2 messages
Today (Tues) through 8pm: 0 messages

Morals of the story:
-There's a glut of men who have already blown through every girl they're interested in waiting around for new prospects to pounce on.
-A normal looking girl really isn't that inundated with messages, except at first.

By the way, despite the messaging slowdown, she still has 371 likes after <6 days. So you're accomplishing absolutely nothing by "liking" a girl on OKC.

Now about the content of the messages received:

It is absolutely shocking how lame, generic, and boring all of those messages are. To be fair, the profile I set up was also completely generic and gave them nothing to work with. But you'd think there would be some guys out there with an amusing copy-paste opener to deploy when encountering a barren profile. I mean fuck, you can just Google "online dating openers." But nope. Hardly anyone tried at all to be funny, or demonstrated a lick game. This brings me to my next point:

The guys on here are nauseatingly polite, supplicating, and complimentary. I can't possibly over-emphasize this. Some of the themes that appeared over and over:

-"I'd love to get to know you", "would love to chat", "would love to meet you", etc.
-You are cute/gorgeous/beautiful/stunning/sexy/breathtaking. I received every single one of those words.
-"It looks like we have a lot in common" (without saying what)
-Telling her how much they liked her profile (that I intentionally made shitty).

When girls complain about getting rude/vulgar messages, they're grossly exaggerating or flat-out lying. In my authentic life as a man, I've never experienced anything close to the overt niceness and avalanche of compliments that this fake girl received. Nor would I want to. It's fucking weird and obviously ingenuine.

If there's any actionable advice that I take away from this little test, it's that I currently try too hard if anything to stand out from the crowd. Your competition isn't a bunch of amateur comedians who you have try and be "edgier" than (which is the mindset I used to have), it's a bunch of gameless chodes telling girls how hot they are.

^ Yeah, I have a similar problem, there's a lot of talent, but it seems the turnover is slowing down - I have about 12 pages of 90%+ "matches" in a 25 mile radius, but the majority of them are bitches I've seen a hundred times before that have been on there forever, serial dating away. Sorting by "who's new" doesn't usually help much either; while I wouldn't say that most of the profiles that come up are fake, the majority of them are just low-effort where the girl has simply thrown up a couple pictures, answered ten questions and not really done anything with the profile. These type of profiles are low value and in my experience sending these "casual" girls messages is a waste of time.

Changing up the "center" of my radius to different places that are still close to me seems to help with this problem. So I just keep an eye out for faces I haven't seen before whose profiles seem to jive well with girls it's worked out with in the past.

The overwhelming impression that I often get from online dating and looking and hundreds of profiles of city girls in their 20s and early 30s is just how dull so many of their lives seem. "I like coffee, and nature, and thinking about how to be a kinder person, and my iPhone, and..."

Let's be honest. If your a girl with relatively good looks and decent personality , you'll probably never touch online dating (in the US), or dabble it for one or two dates, and call it quits.

Serial daters are there for a reason. This is why you see the most boring shit out there. They need to do something "exciting".

If a girl is 7+ a very good chance she has some mental issues.

Only bug exceptions are those who travel for work a lot and looking to meet locals, those are some of the best talent out there.

This is only applicable to the Western world.

XPQ,

They are living the male supporter "dream" = routine grind of work day in, day out. That's why they are so boring. It's work for a reason, but they've been led astray by the silly "underdog" society and what's worse, have been told that it's "harder" for them to achieve. Whatever. You can find diamonds in the rough, but most online don't get out, and if they do, get relatively less approaches. Really attractive girls probably aren't online (which is why I always said the niche is young ones who by social convention are).

My question of the day is, Have you ever tried to meet up with a girl around 20? Did you ever get worried she's lying about her age? Are there any dangers there that I'm not considering?

The online god's have a strange sense of humor

In advance of a business trip to Phoenix last week I decided to take 5 minutes to create a low maintenance profile. Set it, shoot out a few canned messages and forget it. Ended up pipelining a couple cuties in the process.

In my two full days in town, ended up fucking a Hawaiian/Portuguese Uber driver who chauffered us around town (fuck cabbies) and came close with another chick. Crazy thing is now that I'm back home I must be getting all types of rhythm from that lazy "traveling" profile. According to my latest email, I'm now among the "most attractive people on OkCupid". Supposedly, I will now get to see the most attractive women in my searches. Sounds like someone's been holding out. Too bad I'm 1500 miles away at this point.

Meanwhile, my local profile is sitting dormant, chock full of booger bears and wilderbeasts.

(05-25-2016 08:54 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  XPQ,

They are living the male supporter "dream" = routine grind of work day in, day out. That's why they are so boring. It's work for a reason, but they've been led astray by the silly "underdog" society and what's worse, have been told that it's "harder" for them to achieve. Whatever. You can find diamonds in the rough, but most online don't get out, and if they do, get relatively less approaches. Really attractive girls probably aren't online (which is why I always said the niche is young ones who by social convention are).

I try to avoid "city" girls when I can as they're the most likely to be the serial dater/lunatic demographic. I've met some good looking girls from the suburbs, say 30 miles outside the city, who didn't seem nuts; for them I don't blame them at all for using online dating as I know (since I live out here) that the majority of 30-something single men out in the sticks are fucking corny...they're just taking a logical step to maximize their market value.

Quote:My question of the day is, Have you ever tried to meet up with a girl around 20? Did you ever get worried she's lying about her age? Are there any dangers there that I'm not considering?

The youngest girl I've ever met with said she was 25. I've taken phone numbers of girls younger than that in real life, but sadly they all ghosted or flaked on me. Are you concerned that they're underage? For my part I see little reason to go on a date with a 20 year old who can't drink when at my age there seems to be little material difference in looks or personality between a chick who's 20 and 24. If they can't successfully get carded to go in a bar and order their own drinks then forget it I say. 20 year olds don't have any fucking money either and I'm certainly not paying their way. But that's just from the perspective of a guy who's in his mid 30s.

Good point on the possibility of the suburban maximizer, but the effort to "meet out" is harder ...

What if the youngie comes to you? One is barking up my tree, which is funny, that's why I asked the age question

who knows, she might be bat-shit crazy, if she's even real...

(05-25-2016 08:48 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:  Let's be honest. If your a girl with relatively good looks and decent personality , you'll probably never touch online dating (in the US), or dabble it for one or two dates, and call it quits.

This is very interesting, because thinking back on it, the girls I've found worth meeting were all in that camp. They'd just started out, weren't super into it, and hadn't met more than 1 other guy from it.

Online success is absolutely possible, you just need to find the rare girl in that sweet spot between "enough options without using online dating" and "broken as fuck serial dater who expects way more than she has to offer."

Got three responses to my openers today. Two of them led to a conversation, one with a 24 year old "5" and and one with a 28 year old "6".

Shot texts back and forth with the "6" for most of the afternoon, about 15 total, then went to make the date. "But I can't this week. Maybe next week? It's really overwhelming here and I've made a lot of plans."

I told her it wouldn't be worth the fuel cost to do it.

Just asked the "5" for her number after about 6 lame texts on her part.

"lol you wish dude"

A pretty pathetic situation compared with just a year ago. The vast increase in the chode factor is clear from the fact I never get opened by girls anymore, not even fat girls - last year I would get opened by a couple girls a week.

I'm close to declaring OKC dead in this area. Gotta get out.

Where is the NEW MEMBERS section on okcupid because I don't see it.

Have you ever ran into a profile that says "Even though I'm a city girl and I love my heels". Is this just a polite way off saying that if you're not more than a couple inches taller than me...fuk off?

(05-26-2016 05:47 PM)VforVlad Wrote:  Where is the NEW MEMBERS section on okcupid because I don't see it.

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(05-26-2016 05:47 PM)VforVlad Wrote:  Where is the NEW MEMBERS section on okcupid because I don't see it.

Don't have high hopes for the "Who's New" section. The overwhelming majority of new users, at least in this area, are basically just pictures with no text, or a poor attempt at it and answering the minimum ten questions.

These users are not serious.

Most of my lays from online game in the past year likely relied on squeezing myself in at the margins - I'm too old and simply not conventionally attractive enough to pull based on looks alone. Many girls made no secret of the fact that I was the "B" option when it came to making plans.

It's been said that perhaps only 20% of men online are getting laid with any regularity, the old 80/20 thing. I wasn't in the top 10%, but I considered myself to be in the top 20% (with nine lays in a year, times two makeouts/BJs etc. from online I would hope so, at least.) I think that as the ratios on OKC become more and more skewed, even the men in the 80th percentile are getting frozen out, and only the top 10% is having much success there. Getting shut down by "5s" and "6es" who a year ago would have been blowing up my phone is indicative of this decline, I think.

The "6" from the exchange above who wanted to book me in next week was kind enough to confirm what most of us knew. She's overwhelmed, deluged, swamped, drowning in thirst. A girl you'd never look twice at on the street.

I'm hoping to spend some time in NYC this summer where my online game may be more effective, simply through overwhelming population size. A metro area of just ~1.5 million people simply seems too small. Realizing that standing over 6' tall, being in very good physical shape, well-employed and having tight text game developed through months of experience simply doesn't count for very much anymore, even with chubby "5s" in their early 30s, is definitely eye-opening.

I'm glad I managed to meet up with two girls from the site that I've been seeing semi-regularly, prior to this slump. Keeps me from entering the pits of desperation.

In the meantime I've been buying some nicer summer clothes and brushing up on my night game. I've never pulled from it, but I've come a lot closer than I ever have before in the past month. If everyone is online, I should be running game where they aren't. And also just wait it out. It's possible that the system may self-regulate, and men who aren't having much success will drop out and change it. It all depends on how much new male blood is jumping in to replace the losers.

Speaking to some "hot" girls that have tried ok, pof , match etc.
They sign up , go on a few mediocre or bad dates , get bored , occasionally browse then delete the site / app.
The average "8" will be getting 100 msgs per month. So you either gotta really stand out "looks" , "funny" etc or catch them on a good day.

Sometimes it pays to think outside the box , getting in front of these girls can sometimes be the hardest part !

(05-27-2016 08:25 AM)cosworth Wrote:  Speaking to some "hot" girls that have tried ok, pof , match etc.
They sign up , go on a few mediocre or bad dates , get bored , occasionally browse then delete the site / app.
The average "8" will be getting 100 msgs per month. So you either gotta really stand out "looks" , "funny" etc or catch them on a good day.

Sometimes it pays to think outside the box , getting in front of these girls can sometimes be the hardest part !

A month? Try a day.

Most of the good looking women get on for a couple days for an ego boost. She will sometimes go on a date, recognize that the guy she went out with had no game, and then delete the app due to disappointment.

As mentioned before, POF was dead for me.

So I decided to pull a Tinder, and delete my account and start over. This time I uploaded just one picture, with a funnier bio and just let it sit.

The "she wants to meet you" started pouring in with a athletic looking 7 who is curious about other cultures and languages at the top of the heap, who I managed to set up a date with for tonight.

(05-27-2016 12:01 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 05:47 PM)VforVlad Wrote:  Where is the NEW MEMBERS section on okcupid because I don't see it.

Don't have high hopes for the "Who's New" section. The overwhelming majority of new users, at least in this area, are basically just pictures with no text, or a poor attempt at it and answering the minimum ten questions.

These users are not serious.

Most of my lays from online game in the past year likely relied on squeezing myself in at the margins - I'm too old and simply not conventionally attractive enough to pull based on looks alone. Many girls made no secret of the fact that I was the "B" option when it came to making plans.

It's been said that perhaps only 20% of men online are getting laid with any regularity, the old 80/20 thing. I wasn't in the top 10%, but I considered myself to be in the top 20% (with nine lays in a year, times two makeouts/BJs etc. from online I would hope so, at least.) I think that as the ratios on OKC become more and more skewed, even the men in the 80th percentile are getting frozen out, and only the top 10% is having much success there. Getting shut down by "5s" and "6es" who a year ago would have been blowing up my phone is indicative of this decline, I think.

The "6" from the exchange above who wanted to book me in next week was kind enough to confirm what most of us knew. She's overwhelmed, deluged, swamped, drowning in thirst. A girl you'd never look twice at on the street.

I'm hoping to spend some time in NYC this summer where my online game may be more effective, simply through overwhelming population size. A metro area of just ~1.5 million people simply seems too small. Realizing that standing over 6' tall, being in very good physical shape, well-employed and having tight text game developed through months of experience simply doesn't count for very much anymore, even with chubby "5s" in their early 30s, is definitely eye-opening.

I'm glad I managed to meet up with two girls from the site that I've been seeing semi-regularly, prior to this slump. Keeps me from entering the pits of desperation.

In the meantime I've been buying some nicer summer clothes and brushing up on my night game. I've never pulled from it, but I've come a lot closer than I ever have before in the past month. If everyone is online, I should be running game where they aren't. And also just wait it out. It's possible that the system may self-regulate, and men who aren't having much success will drop out and change it. It all depends on how much new male blood is jumping in to replace the losers.

I'm in NYC and while yes there are more people, there are also an equal number of thirsty guys. It's a catch 22. The options are endless which makes people even pickier in my opinion. I'm gonna mainly rely on going out because I refuse to date down. The other day, a 6 in her early 30's flaked on me for a second time. Even she must have tons of options and her ego is probably blown up every time she looks at her phone. Combine this with NYC being somewhat of a "PUA" mecca makes things even worse. Lots of thirsty dudes descend on the streets, mass approaching any girl that walks by.

^ That's where I have a bit of an advantage with night game. "PUA" seems to be pretty much unheard of around here. I've never seen a guy from around pull a girl, or approach one, pretty much ever. Just on dates with their Tinder girls, or standing around looking pissed, drinking and getting in arguments. Saw four guys pulled over for DUI on the downtown strip last night in the span of just two hours. WTF are these cats thinking? Angry guys screaming "FUCK YOU!" at Priuses and stuff.

Meanwhile, lots of girls out now that the warm weather is here, I've invested in some really nice clothes and have been doing some approaches and getting a few bites. Chatted up a 20-something "6" on the street last night near closing time, everything went well and she was leaning on me by the bar. I decided to go for broke and ask her if she wanted to take a walk with me, with the implication that we were going to head back to my car. She seemed to be seriously considering it...but eventually made her decision to stay behind. I probably should've tried to bounce her to a bar first, but last call was in about a half hour.

I did manage to make an OKC date for next week, first one in a long while. 32 year old "7". Right on the danger zone, but she was indirectly offering up info about her logistics without my asking, and seems pretty enthusiastic, so I'm cautiously optimistic. She's an out of towner who hasn't lived here long, another good sign...I almost never get flaked on by girls in their 30s so I'm going to work with what I have. I think a little "comfort building" via text before the meet won't go amiss here; from my past experience that helps a lot in getting the lay with 30 somethings.

I should already know this (it's obvious) but I'd like the regular's take on this:

Me, you, "meet" for drinks in East Nashville. Yay or Nay


HER: Yay, I think that would be nice


Good. I'm thinking hmm at 8 tomorrow.


At a place called XXXXX



HER ALMOST 24 hours later

Hey! I am so sorry! I fell asleep on you last night. How was your day?



Ignore or still go for it?

It seems as if my pride has gotten in the way since my last dating situation which happened to be Okcupid.

Maybe because of the election cycle (Trump Vs non-trump people with a good majority of women making up that group) combined with Red pill reads. It has gotten toxic and killed my drive to play the good little customer rep.

As XPQ22 mentioned, Okcupid has gotten stale with nothing turning up but I'm wondering how much that has to do with me. It seems when my head was in the right place and I was hungry...opportunities after opportunities would just turn up without much effort. I was on a roll from January till late March. Had a good run from October till December 2015 as well...where the cold weather seemed to have played a part in it.

Is that it? I know it's already been mentioned somewhere. Do we go back to blame it on the weather season. Pack it in until it gets too cold to wear skimpy outfits and come back in sept, oct, november.

Tinder is still worth a while because swiping right without much else doesn't take a lot of effort. I'm not even running game on Tinder. My profile DTF with a couple shirtless pics and a brief bio of speaking 3 languages and where I'm from. They can Shit or get off the lawn at this point.

(05-28-2016 02:58 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  ^ That's where I have a bit of an advantage with night game. "PUA" seems to be pretty much unheard of around here. I've never seen a guy from around pull a girl, or approach one, pretty much ever. Just on dates with their Tinder girls, or standing around looking pissed, drinking and getting in arguments. Saw four guys pulled over for DUI on the downtown strip last night in the span of just two hours. WTF are these cats thinking? Angry guys screaming "FUCK YOU!" at Priuses and stuff.

Meanwhile, lots of girls out now that the warm weather is here, I've invested in some really nice clothes and have been doing some approaches and getting a few bites. Chatted up a 20-something "6" on the street last night near closing time, everything went well and she was leaning on me by the bar. I decided to go for broke and ask her if she wanted to take a walk with me, with the implication that we were going to head back to my car. She seemed to be seriously considering it...but eventually made her decision to stay behind. I probably should've tried to bounce her to a bar first, but last call was in about a half hour.

I did manage to make an OKC date for next week, first one in a long while. 32 year old "7". Right on the danger zone, but she was indirectly offering up info about her logistics without my asking, and seems pretty enthusiastic, so I'm cautiously optimistic. She's an out of towner who hasn't lived here long, another good sign...I almost never get flaked on by girls in their 30s so I'm going to work with what I have. I think a little "comfort building" via text before the meet won't go amiss here; from my past experience that helps a lot in getting the lay with 30 somethings.

Good luck with the date. I've been wanting to move to another city but my job is keeping me here. I think NYC overall is decent for getting laid, but for finding a woman with substance that you might want to settle down with its horrible. And i'm sick of online dating anyway. My last date looked way worse than her pics and these days with photoshop, filters, angles, etc. you never know who's gonna show up. I would go out every night if I could but I don't have the energy levels to do that. I did way better on OKC just 3 years ago. I was getting way more responses and dates. After a few years I decided to sign up again and when I started, used the same profile, pics and opener. Could not believe the difference. Much lower response rate. I'm also gonna focus on social circle. I think that's the best way to meet quality girls.

Past week or so I've started messing around in OKC again to see if I could drum up some new easy pussy. Judging from reading the past couple pages, seems like my observations are not just a special case scenario: girls are getting more disinterested and jaded. I sent out a handful of message and while I actually got almost a 50% response rate, pretty much all of them were dead ends. Girls either went ghost once I tried to make the move to number/plans, backed off once moved to text, or flat out stopped messaging me back (even ones who messaged me first).

There tends to be a bit of ebb and and flow here and there on OKC, but this shit has just been boring the past several days.

Oops, Miss 32 year old HB7 went ghost on me by late Saturday evening. She agreed to the date and got her number around 5 PM and she replied to one text, sent her one later that night and never heard from her again. Guess Mr. Saturday panned out better than expected.

From a high level of interest to ghost in 5 hours. Gotta be some new record. Hitting girls up on the weekend is likely a bad investment (I should know this by now) - better to wait until Monday or Tuesday.

Quote:Judging from reading the past couple pages, seems like my observations are not just a special case scenario: girls are getting more disinterested and jaded. I sent out a handful of message and while I actually got almost a 50% response rate, pretty much all of them were dead ends.

I think back to 2013 and early 2014 when I was getting dates with some decent chicks on POF without any massive effort. Quantity that didn't sacrifice quality necessarily. It's amazing in retrospect. Young, decent looking chicks were even opening me. It pains me to think about that now because I didn't realise how quickly things would be changing. I took it for granted.

(05-29-2016 02:17 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  Oops, Miss 32 year old HB7 went ghost on me by late Saturday evening. She agreed to the date and got her number around 5 PM and she replied to one text, sent her one later that night and never heard from her again. Guess Mr. Saturday panned out better than expected.

From a high level of interest to ghost in 5 hours. Gotta be some new record. Hitting girls up on the weekend is likely a bad investment (I should know this by now) - better to wait until Monday or Tuesday.

Oops! She's back! She hit me up this evening and agreed to the date. Let's see...10 PM Saturday to 7 PM Sunday. 21 hours to return a text - also a new record!

This should be good.